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W3C TAG meeting 7-9 October 2012 in London, UK

Left to right: Larry Masinter, Jeni Tennison, Peter Linss, Yves Lafon, Noah Mendelsohn
Tim Berners-Lee, Henry Thompson, Ashok Malhotrav

Agenda Summary

Logistics

Required Reading

• Best Practices for Fragment Identifiers and Media Type Definitions W3C Editor's Draft 23 September 2012
• Updated Product Page on Fragment Identifier Work
• RFC 3023bis regarding fragment ID semantics for +xml media types
• First Public Working Draft Publishing and Linking on the Web: W3C Working Draft 18 September 2012
• Governance and Web Architecture W3C Editor's Draft 22 September 201 (http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/governanceFramework-2012-10-08.html -- dated link provided at F2F) (Larry's blog entry on governance is also suggested)
• ISSUE-57 background statement from JAR and HT (28 September 2012) (snapshot)
• URI Usage Primer How to Use URIs in Data: W3C Editor's Draft 03 October 2012
• ISSUE-57 "Proposal 27" from JAR and HT (30 September 2012) (see email)
• 31 March 2012 telcon discussion of Offline Web Applications
• Web Architecture Objectives Matrix
• Offline Applications (e-mail from Ashok Malhotra)

Agenda Details

1. Convene, review agenda
   • Scribes: TAG members are encouraged to sign up for scribing by using CVS to edit scribing assignments table, or by emailing the chair
   • Roll call
     • Regrets: Robin Berjon, Jonathan Rees
     • Jonathan can attend by phone starting around 1:00 London time (8:00 US Eastern).
   • Approve minutes of teleconferences:
     • 20 September 2012
     • 27 September 2012
   • F2F Main Goals:
     • Go to last call on Fragment Identifiers Recommendation
     • Review comments on Publishing and Linking FPWD
     • Set direction for documenting URI meaning (& httpRange-14)
     • Meet w/Mark Nottingham to discuss HTTP 2.0 & URI scheme proliferation
     • Identify new areas for TAG focus
2. Review TAG Priorities for 2012 - 2013
   • Goals:
     • Remind ourselves of priorities and commitments from TAG product pages
     • The Sunday session is primarily a quick level-set at the start of the F2F — updates and debates about the priorities will happen as we go along and in a session on Tuesdeay.
3. Administration:
   • Future TAG F2F meetings
     • Choose location/dates for winter meeting
     • Start thinking about location/dates for spring meeting
     • TPAC (next item)
   • TPAC Planning
     • Note AB interest in meeting with TAG
     • Larry Masinter suggests we think about Publishing and Linking for TPAC
     • NOTE: Larry, Peter and Ashok will attend TPAC, Henry is hoping to. Noah has a conflict and so will not.
   • Group photo
   • Upcoming TAG election and open seat: four TAG seats will be filled in the upcoming election. Should the TAG do anything to facilitate a successful election (noting the unusually large number of open positions, and thus the likely large impact on the TAG.)
4. HTTP 2.0:
   • IETF HTTP Bis Working Group chair Mark Nottingham will join us for this session
   • Goal:
     • Get update from Mark Nottingham on HTTP 2.0
     • Decide whether TAG action is needed on HTTP futures
   • Background:
     • January 2012 F2F discussion with Mark Nottingham
     • ACTION-682: on - Jonathan Rees - When HTTPbis group says time is right, suggest to TAG sections of HTTPbis specification that TAG should review - Due: 2012-10-06 - OPEN
     • ACTION-733: on - Larry Masinter - prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F - Due: 2012-09-28 - OPEN
     • Earlier background:
       • Thread starting with e-mail from Yves Lafon: Discussion points on HTTP "evolutions" [ACTION-618] — also related thread starting with response from Larry Masinter
       • ACTION-618: on - Yves Lafon - With help from Larry, Noah, and Jeni to prepare analysis on development around HTTP, like spdy, ssl use, websocket... - Due: 2011-12-06 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-626: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY - Due: 2011-11-15 - CLOSED
       • TPAC 2011 Discussion of SPDY
       • Jeni Tennison's email on SPDY and related thread (here and here too)
       • June 2011 F2F session with Jim Gettys on buffer bloat
5. URI scheme proliferation:
   • Mark Nottingham will join us for this session
   • Goal:
     • Consider need for TAG focus on URI scheme proliferation
     • registerProtocolHanlder, registerContentHandler, the "web+" URI scheme prefix"
   • Background:
     • E-mail from Henry Thompson FYI: Suffixed media type registrations about to go forward
     • ACTION-724: on - Henry Thompson - investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points - Due: 2012-10-05 - OPEN
     • https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18975 The bug report has some pointers worth following.
     • HTML spec "Custom scheme and content handlers"
6. Fragment identifier semantics:
   • Product page: TAG Product: Fragment Identifiers and Mime Types
   • TAG members assigned (as listed in product page): Jeni Tennison, Larry Masinter (offered to help on 3 May 2012), Henry Thompson, Yves Lafon (replacing Jonathan Rees as agreed at June 2011 F2F), Peter Linss (offered to help on 4 August 2011)
   • Goals:
     • Agree to publish last call working draft of Best Practices for Fragment Identifiers and Media Type Definitions
     • Agree input to RFC 3023bis regarding fragment ID semantics for +xml media types (We may do this as a separate session if necessary)
   • Background:
     • TAG Recommendation on Fragment IDS:
       • Best Practices for Fragment Identifiers and Media Type Definitions W3C Editor's Draft 23 September 2012 (required reading)
       • Updated Product Page (required reading)
     • RFC 3023bis and Fragment ID Semantics
       • ACTION-689: on - Henry Thompson - work with Noah to draft a further request to the 3023bis editor from the TAG to include advice regarding what a particular +xml media type registration should do wrt fragid semantics along the lines in the discussion on media types and fragment identifiers at the f2f on 2012-04-04 - Due: 2012-10-01 - OPEN
       • RFC 3023bis regarding fragment ID semantics for +xml media types (required reading)
7. Issue list for Jeff Jaffe:
   • Goal:
     • Start building list of issues to highlight for Jeff Jaffe
   • Background:
     • ACTION-563: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Arrange for periodic TAG key issues reports to Jeff per June 2011 F2F - Due: 2012-11-01 - OPEN
8. Publishing and linking on the Web:
   • TAG members assigned: Larry Masinter, Ashok Malhotra
   • Goals:
     • Review comments on First Public Working Draft Publishing and Linking on the Web: W3C Working Draft 18 September 2012
     • Update product page to reflect current plans, goals and success criteria
   • See also agenda item on governance
   • Background:
     • First Public Working Draft Publishing and Linking on the Web: W3C Working Draft 18 September 2012 (required reading)
     • ACTION-732: on - Larry Masinter - prepare FPWD on Publishing and Linking - Due: 2012-09-05 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-737: on - Yves Lafon - On Tuesday 4 Sept, if no objections, publish FPWD on Publishing and Linking - Due: 2012-09-06 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-667: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Check, when publishing and linking wraps, whether it's time to reinvest in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evolution/Registries.html - Due: 2012-07-15 - OPEN
9. Architecture of the World Wide Semantic Web (AWWSW):
   • Jonathan Rees requests 30 mins: review final report drafts and either accept them, or request additional work (of Jonathan; the task group has disbanded).
   • ACTION-201: on - Jonathan Rees - Report on status of AWWSW discussions - Due: 2012-10-02 - OPEN
10. Governance Framework:
    • Larry Masinter requests brief consideration of Governance and Web Architecture W3C Editor's Draft 22 September 201 (required reading) (http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/governanceFramework-2012-10-08.html -- dated link provided at F2F)
    • See also Larry's blog entry on governance
11. Documenting meaning of individual IRIs (ISSUE-57):
    • Product page: TAG Product: URI Documentation Discovery
    • TAG members assigned: Henry Thompson with help from Jonathan Rees & Jeni Tennison
    • Goals:
      • Decide how to discharge our obligation to the community regarding what we did with the proposals that they provided us back in the spring
      • Review new background statement from JAR and HT (28 September 2012) (snapshot)
      • Review: URI Usage Primer How to Use URIs in Data: W3C Editor's Draft 03 October 2012
      • Review "Proposal 27"
    • Background:
      • ACTION-704: on - Jonathan Rees - with help from Jeni and Henry to try to identify next steps for moving forward on httpRange-14 - Due: 2012-09-17 - OPEN
      • Background statement from JAR and HT (28 September 2012) (snapshot) (required reading)
      • URI Usage Primer How to Use URIs in Data: W3C Editor's Draft 03 October 2012
      • "Proposal 27" from JAR and HT (30 September 2012) (see e-mail) (required reading)
      • Though not formally agreed by the TAG as background reading David Booth suggests the following additional documents:
        • "Framing the URI Resource Identity Problem: The Fundamental Use Case of the Semantic Web"
        • Resource Identity and Semantic Extensions: Making Sense of Ambiguity
12. Offline applications:
    • TAG member assigned: Ashok Malhotra
    • Should we include web app / offline storage here?
    • Goal:
      • Decide whether to launch initiative on offline Web applications
      • If so, prepare product page with goals, success criteria and dates.
      • Determine objectives of any architectural work in this area using the Wed Architecture objectives matrix as reference
      • Clarify relationship to ACTION-717: on - Ashok Malhotra - Propose outline for possible TAG document (finding or rec) on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. Due 2012-07-15 - Due: 2012-10-10 - OPEN
    • Background:
      • Offline Applications (e-mail from Ashok Malhotra) (required reading)
      • ACTION-529: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule telcon discussion of a potential TAG product relating to offline applications and packaged Web - Due: 2011-02-17 - CLOSED
      • 31 March 2012 telcon discussion of Offline Web Applications (required reading)
      • ACTION-717: on - Ashok Malhotra - Propose outline for possible TAG document (finding or rec) on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. Due 2012-07-15 - Due: 2012-10-10 - OPEN
      • Objectives matrix (required reading)
13. Privacy (need to draft agenda item -- note Robin Berjon was responsible for work in this area
14. TAG effectiveness:
    • TAG member assigned: Noah Mendelsohn
    • Goals
      • Consider followup to June Discussion of TAG Effectiveness (part 1 and part 2)
      • Review Wed Architecture Objectives Matrix
    • Background:
      • Objectives matrix (required reading)
      • ACTION-726: on - Jonathan Rees - Make a list of questions to which webarch and the findings suggest answers, as input to possible 'study design' and/or communication to chairs etc. - Due: 2012-09-17 - CLOSED
      • Larry Masinter has suggested using the matrix for "outward facing purposes"
      • ACTION-725 on JT - progress ?
      • Maybe: 10 minutes to talk about TAG issues list (this was JAR's discussion-closing suggestion at an earlier F2F, see ACTION-692: on - Noah Mendelsohn - consider JAR's april request to discuss, for 10 mins, issues list at oct f2f - Due: 2012-09-10 - OPEN, perhaps mooted by objectives matrix)
      • ACTION-709: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Talk to Jeff & W3M about TAG futures - Due: 2012-06-06 - CLOSED
15. TAG Election Procedures
    • Goals:
      • Understand concerns that have been raised about TAG election procedures (followup to discussion on 26 April 2012 teleconference)
      • Decide what role, if any, it's appropriate for the TAG to play in addressing such concerns
      • If based on the above considerations it's appropriate for the TAG to get involved, investigate the merits of the concerns raised, and decide on next steps
    • Background:
      • Robin Berjon has made proposals for "reforming" the TAG election process
      • Discussion on 26 April 2012 teleconference
      • ACTION-701: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Follow up with Robin on election reform - Due: 2012-08-01 - OPEN
      • ACTION-702: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Follow up with Robin on election reform proposals - Due: 2012-05-03 - CLOSED
      • The chair (Noah) has commented "...changes to the W3C process are formally the responsibility of the AB, W3C management and the AC. Normally, we don't discuss process issues on the TAG, except when they affect our ability to do our technical work [...] Obviously, changing the processes relating to the TAG itself is a special case, and I'm fine with scheduling some informal brainstorming". Larry raises a similar concern. The chair then wrote: "we will have a brief discussion of this on Thursday, and we will do it with the understanding that any formal work on changing the process is coordinated by the AB/Team/AC."
      • See also extensive e-mail thread(s) with subject TAG productivity, elections, and httpRange-14 (but note that for discussion on 25 April, the chair intends to limit the scope to election reform, and not to broader questions of TAG findings, TAG effectiveness, etc.)
16. Action item review:
    • Pending review actions in Tracker
    • Overdue actions in Tracker
    • Open actions in Tracker
17. Open issue review:
    • This is an optional agenda item: we'll do it if there's time
    • Goal: review our list of open issues — look especially for issues that are open but dormant decide to assign resource/close/leave as background activity.
18. Outplan:
    • The following are potentially worth discussing, but are not formally scheduled on the agenda:
      • ACTION-669: on - Henry Thompson - Review http://www.w3.org/TR/qaframe-spec/#ref-define-practice and see whether TAG needs to do more on references to evolving specs Due: 2012-08-01 - Due: 2013-01-01 - OPEN
      • polyglot (HT)
      • HTML extension registry (ACTION-672 on JT)
      • privacy (NM?)
      • scalability (PL)
      • vendor prefixes (PL)
      • ISSUE-50 if progress has been made (JAR, HT)
        • ACTION-478: on - Jonathan Rees - Prepare a second draft of a finding on persistence of references, to be based on decision tree from Oct. 2010 F2F - Due: 2012-10-06 - OPEN
        • ACTION-666: on - Henry Thompson - Update http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/persistence-2012-01-23.html to reflect agreement on 26 January telcon regarding settling at F2F - Due: 2012-09-01 - CLOSED (JAR commented: Have been making progress in background on what to do with this, based on input from HT and LM, but not sure I'll have anything to discuss.)