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Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Thu, 4 Sep 2014 22:28:12 +0545
- Author
- "Jens O. Meiert" <jens@meiert.com>
I sent in a suggestion with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2014Sep/0002.html. -- Jens O. Meiert http://meiert.com/en/
RE: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:33:41 +0000
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- Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
Stefan, Sorry, please continue this thread on WAI-IG or privately rather than on the GL list. It is a worthwhile topic to discuss but I closed this thread yesterday as it became unproductive on this
RE: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:52:28 +0000
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- "Schnabel, Stefan" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
John, Just a short question: How is e.g. "lang=en" mapped into platform accessibility API's? I suppose it isn't. Screen readers must extract it on all platforms using the DOM, right? Regards Stefan C
RE: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Tue, 2 Sep 2014 13:14:50 +0000
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- Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
As this thread has now devolved toward personal attacks, I am requesting that it be closed. AWK You’re simply writing nonsense, on a thread that expects English. No @lang would have saved you here,
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:12:41 +0530
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- "Jens O. Meiert" <jens@meiert.com>
Thanks Richard. In much brevity, I actually believe I addressed the points you raise, starting with a separation of the topic of @lang for the document and @lang for changes in language (with my beef
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Fri, 29 Aug 2014 11:39:32 +0100
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- Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Hello Jens, Here are some comments from me on your blog post to reply to the question "Hence, what data and evidence did I miss? And what else could, or should, we do?". You say: "Still, the W3C I18N
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
- Date
- Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:29:22 +0530
- Author
- "Jens O. Meiert" <jens@meiert.com>
You’re simply writing nonsense, on a thread that expects English. No @lang would have saved you here, and you instead just proved how detection of language affects everyone, and how we all survive
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:41:50 -0400
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- Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
And mine, and others previously in thread. But, perhaps it's a matter of the ne plus ultra of one's weltanschauung? -- Janina Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Emai
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:33:43 -0400
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- Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
That may be your interpretation, but I cannot agree. My interpretation is that we've provided substantive reasons. I'm sorry you think they're "reflexive and evaisive." Might it be that your characte
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:19:56 -0700
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- Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
​Jens, on what do you base this conclusion? It is certainly contrary to my experience.​ <div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 7:11 AM, Jens
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:41:29 +0530
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- "Jens O. Meiert" <jens@meiert.com>
As Jared tried to read this in the questions, too [1]: @lang is an entirely different matter and nowhere comparable to @alt &c. Instead, requiring to mark up changes in language may be likened to re
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:12:06 +0530
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- "Jens O. Meiert" <jens@meiert.com>
For who’s is interested in the topic, I’ve presented my view again in a different form and in more detail under http://meiert.com/en/blog/20140825/html-and-language/. TL;DR: Compared to current p
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:52:21 +0530
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- "Jens O. Meiert" <jens@meiert.com>
I can’t even tell trolls anymore. -- Jens O. Meiert http://meiert.com/en/ <p dir="ltr">I can’t even tell trolls anymore.</p> <p dir="ltr">--<br> Jens O. Meiert<br> <a href="http://meiert.com/en/"
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:32:51 -0400
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- Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
I believe we've previously established that tools are unreliable in this regard. On the other hand, the author/developer/whatever-you-call-them should know perfectly well what language they're using.
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Thu, 14 Aug 2014 21:27:15 +0530
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- "Jens O. Meiert" <jens@meiert.com>
Because I’m talking about languages. If you’re referring to naming novices as an argument, and mean that that’s like a truism, you’re probably right. -- Jens O. Meiert http://meiert.com/en/
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Thu, 14 Aug 2014 17:28:25 +0200
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- Christophe Strobbe <strobbe@hdm-stuttgart.de>
For which reason(s) does this apply to @lang and not to text alternatives, forms, tables, correct choice of heading levels, etc, etc? Why single out @lang? Best regards, Christophe -- Christophe Stro
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:38:10 +0530
- Author
- "Jens O. Meiert" <jens@meiert.com>
(I think I messed up the original email, and contemplate presenting the case anew shortly.) Yes, as I see markup more in a development than in a writing realm. In W3C terminology, both “developerâ€
I18N-ISSUE-384: Usefulness of language annotations ⓣ [wcag]
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- public-i18n-core
- Date
- Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:50:20 +0000
- Author
- "Internationalization Working Group Issue Tracker" <sysbot+tracker@w3.org>
I18N-ISSUE-384: Usefulness of language annotations â“£ [wcag] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/384 Raised by: Richard Ishida On product: wcag Thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w
Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:30:42 -0400
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- Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
When you say "developer," are you speaking of content authoring? Usually, I consider that term applies to the engineers that produce user agents, and I think it important to use terms carefully here,
RE: Usefulness of language annotations
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- w3c-wai-gl
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- Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:26:04 +0000
- Author
- "Hoffman, Allen" <allen.hoffman@hq.dhs.gov>
OK. Can’t say about the tables. I didn’t mean it would change the language *preference* based on the language attribute – but rather that the OS/device/browser would utilize that information to
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