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Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:40:53 +0100
- Author
- Hadrien Gardeur <hadrien.gardeur@feedbooks.com>
It all depends on the semantics that you'd like to associate to both "href" and "hrefsrc", for the manifest inside a package, the opposite is much more natural for me. Also keep in mind that you're a
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:30:03 +0000
- Author
- Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
Actually that would be backwards, Hadrien ☺. href is the URL as found inside content in the package – your “index” if you will. And hrefsrc is the URL where the actual content lies. So when r
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:57:10 +0100
- Author
- Hadrien Gardeur <hadrien.gardeur@feedbooks.com>
Even if a publication is under the control of a publisher, it would make a lot of sense to allow them to re-use resources that they've already published, potentially on multiple domains or sub-domai
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:48:11 +0100
- Author
- Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Ok, I see where you come from. This goes back to how exactly we would draw the line for what a WP is (and maybe we get to the profiling discussion!). I could envisage two approaches. A WP is indeed
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:15:45 +0100
- Author
- Hadrien Gardeur <hadrien.gardeur@feedbooks.com>
"href" would then point to the resource inside the package and "hrefsrc" to the canonical URI, it's exactly the same as the example for HTML. Hadrien <div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div cla
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:13:05 +0100
- Author
- Hadrien Gardeur <hadrien.gardeur@feedbooks.com>
That's where IMO things get completely unrealistic. A WP can potentially link to resources all over the Web, I don't even believe that there's any hierarchy in the first place. As long as we know th
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:56:32 +0100
- Author
- Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Exactly. We essentially hit this issue. The non-satisfactory answer was that it should be possible to construct a manifest coming from different sources: combine the original manifest with something
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:38:25 +0100
- Author
- Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
First of all, I am not sure what you describe is enough. The library gets a copy of the book indeed, but I think that the real, 'authoritative' URL for that 'work' is the one published by P, ie, h <h
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 23 Nov 2016 06:52:02 +0000
- Author
- Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
I agree with David. It is a very important goal, IMO, that resources shall not be changed when putting them into a package. The contents need to be identical in packaged and unpackaged form. The “m
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 23 Nov 2016 03:30:04 +0100
- Author
- Hadrien Gardeur <hadrien.gardeur@feedbooks.com>
But if they're unchanged, then we hit the issue that I've described before, where it becomes tricky for a reading system to properly display such a packaged publication. You either have to dynamical
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Tue, 22 Nov 2016 21:28:44 +0000
- Author
- Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
Hadrien – I have been looking towards the Selector model of the Web Annotation specification as ways that we might be able to specify text locations in a reliable fashion (and without re-inventing
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Tue, 22 Nov 2016 21:25:30 +0000
- Author
- Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
Sure, Dave, if everything happens under Library L. Now if this book doesn’t have any DRM or distribution rights associated with it, so User U also emails a copy of this book to their friend D. What
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:05:56 +0000
- Author
- "Cramer, Dave" <Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com>
So... Publisher P publishes Orlando: h<https://www.acme-labs.com/Orlando/c001.html#x>ttps://www.publisher-P/new/Orlando/ Library L gives Publisher P lots of money, and gets a copy of the book, and ho
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Tue, 22 Nov 2016 17:56:31 +0100
- Author
- Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
I think so. The canonical (sic!) example is scholarly publishing, where a very precise reference is a must. Hm. I *think* the latter. But I am not sure. I would expect some sort of signatures mechan
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Tue, 22 Nov 2016 17:27:12 +0100
- Author
- Hadrien Gardeur <hadrien.gardeur@feedbooks.com>
Thank you Ivan for these additional info. But the complication you describe for the packaged state is still around if I think that we need to know exactly what the use cases will end up being, for ex
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Tue, 22 Nov 2016 17:10:58 +0100
- Author
- Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Hadrien, sorry for the late reply; actually, some of the issues may be moot by virtue of yesterday's discussion. The kind of use case that was discussed many months ago and influenced the discussion
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 16 Nov 2016 19:47:10 +0100
- Author
- Hadrien Gardeur <hadrien.gardeur@feedbooks.com>
Hello Tzviya, Thanks for the additional context, this is really useful. If the main requirement is for a locator that can be referenced (similar to CFI), then IMO there are three parts to consider: -
RE: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:59:23 +0000
- Author
- "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com>
Hi Hadrien, Ivan is travelling today, so I will attempt to answer this. I also require a bit of clarification, please. 1. We may need to reconsider the use of the term “Canonical Locator”, given
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:36:54 +0100
- Author
- Hadrien Gardeur <hadrien.gardeur@feedbooks.com>
Hello Ivan, I'm adding Ric & Laurent since this also concerns reading systems directly. It's not entirely clear to me what canonical locators are used for, a few things comes to mind: - on the Web, a
Re: For the discussion on the PWP
- Date
- Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:00:17 +0100
- Author
- Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Hi Hadrien, Probably. To be honest, the document did not really go into these details, nor I am sure it should (this may just be an input to a possible WG, and the details will have to be clarified a
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