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Re: [i18n-activity] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:17:16 +0000
Author
fantasai via GitHub <sysbot+gh@w3.org>

Added `initial-letter-align: border-box`. https://drafts.csswg.org/css-inline/#valdef-initial-letter-align-border-box -- GitHub Notification of comment by fantasai Please view or discuss this issue a

Re: [i18n-activity] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:17:16 +0000
Author
fantasai via GitHub <sysbot+gh@w3.org>

Added `initial-letter-align: border-box`. https://drafts.csswg.org/css-inline/#valdef-initial-letter-align-border-box -- GitHub Notification of comment by fantasai Please view or discuss this issue a

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:15:59 +0900
Author
Florian Rivoal <florian@rivoal.net>

Hi Arle, Agreed, thanks for the clarification. I don't know nearly enough about how fonts work, but I expect that writing a character (including combining diacritics) at a certain font size and chec

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:15:59 +0900
Author
Florian Rivoal <florian@rivoal.net>

Hi Arle, Agreed, thanks for the clarification. I don't know nearly enough about how fonts work, but I expect that writing a character (including combining diacritics) at a certain font size and chec

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:55:39 +0100
Author
Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>

Hi Florian, Sorry, I wasn't clear. I agree with you entirely. I was just pointing out that you don't do this sort of sizing for most typesetting purposes because it looks ugly, which is why the rende

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:55:39 +0100
Author
Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>

Hi Florian, Sorry, I wasn't clear. I agree with you entirely. I was just pointing out that you don't do this sort of sizing for most typesetting purposes because it looks ugly, which is why the rende

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:40:02 +0900
Author
Florian Rivoal <florian@rivoal.net>

Hi Richard, box-sizing in firefox isn't currently combined with initial-letter, so it sizes the content box in the traditional way, not in the glyph-fitting way that is needed for initial letter. We

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:40:02 +0900
Author
Florian Rivoal <florian@rivoal.net>

Hi Richard, box-sizing in firefox isn't currently combined with initial-letter, so it sizes the content box in the traditional way, not in the glyph-fitting way that is needed for initial letter. We

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:01:16 +0100
Author
Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>

I don't know what the rendering engines can check, but if the defined bounding box is ignored and instead the physical bounding box of the character(s) is calculated, that would do it. It would mean

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:01:16 +0100
Author
Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>

I don't know what the rendering engines can check, but if the defined bounding box is ignored and instead the physical bounding box of the character(s) is calculated, that would do it. It would mean

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:05:34 +0000
Author
Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>

I'm wondering whether something along the lines of line-height, internal to the intial letter box, could help simplify setting of the necessary space. ri

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:05:34 +0000
Author
Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>

I'm wondering whether something along the lines of line-height, internal to the intial letter box, could help simplify setting of the necessary space. ri

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:40:25 +0100
Author
Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>

I rather suspect there is no way you will avoid this problem systematically. I have seen systems that have set sizing based on the characters’ physical bounds (rather than the bounding box), and th

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:40:25 +0100
Author
Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>

I rather suspect there is no way you will avoid this problem systematically. I have seen systems that have set sizing based on the characters’ physical bounds (rather than the bounding box), and th

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:29:28 +0000
Author
Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>

hi Florian, I follow your reasoning, that for the 'box' type of initial letter the box-sizing property could be a trigger for alignment of the initial letter text, and that when box-sizing is present

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:29:28 +0000
Author
Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>

hi Florian, I follow your reasoning, that for the 'box' type of initial letter the box-sizing property could be a trigger for alignment of the initial letter text, and that when box-sizing is present

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:49:40 +0000
Author
Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>

I took all these photos – I didn't trawl flickr for them, just put them on flickr so that we could point to them. The photos are taken from a small pile of newspapers and magazines I have collected

Re: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:49:40 +0000
Author
Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>

I took all these photos – I didn't trawl flickr for them, just put them on flickr so that we could point to them. The photos are taken from a small pile of newspapers and magazines I have collected

RE: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Sat, 24 Jan 2015 21:47:59 +0200
Author
"Matitiahu Allouche" <matitiahu.allouche@gmail.com>

Since all examples come from flickr, I am not sure that they convincingly reflect a common usage. At least for Hebrew, such boxed characters are quite unusual in modern documents. -- Shalom (Regards)

RE: [css-inline] i18n-ISSUE-408: Boxed characters and initial letter properties

Date
Sat, 24 Jan 2015 21:47:59 +0200
Author
"Matitiahu Allouche" <matitiahu.allouche@gmail.com>

Since all examples come from flickr, I am not sure that they convincingly reflect a common usage. At least for Hebrew, such boxed characters are quite unusual in modern documents. -- Shalom (Regards)

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