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RE: [css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- www-style
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- Thu, 7 Apr 2016 20:39:03 +0200
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- "Jan Tosovsky" <j.tosovsky@email.cz>
+1 I agree this should be specified directly in the font itself and if not, a fallback is applied. There could be two fallback levels. (1) The basic one would use hardcoded values. (2) The advanced w
Re: [css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:54:21 -0700
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- John Hudson <john@tiro.ca>
See previous comment on existing OpenType GPOS features for optical margin alignment. The model you suggest is similar to an idea that Adobe put forward in the early days of OpenType, which is to hav
Re: [css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:46:56 -0700
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- John Hudson <john@tiro.ca>
Point of information: OpenType has registered GPOS features for optical margin alignment, so in theory a font can contain explicit information for beginning- and end-of-line adjustments to be made. I
Re: [css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- Wed, 06 Apr 2016 23:03:43 -0400
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- "Liam R. E. Quin" <liam@w3.org>
[...] I don't really see how StartOfLine or EndOfLine could be in a different font than the character being "kerned". I've encountered this SOL/EOL concept before under the name of Margin Kerning. Ex
Re: [css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- Thu, 7 Apr 2016 00:41:23 +0000
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- Alan Stearns <stearns@adobe.com>
Ah! Yes, that could work - and we’ve entertained the idea of letting authors define pair-kern data before. But I think that would have to be font-specific, and apply only when the font matches for
Re: [css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:34:47 -0400
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- fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
I think you didn't understand what I meant... I meant pairs kerning, which would be able to handle this perfectly. You just have one of the possible "glyphs" in the pair be SOL or EOL. ~fantasai
Re: [css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- Thu, 7 Apr 2016 00:22:47 +0000
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- Alan Stearns <stearns@adobe.com>
No, because it depends on the character - as Jon noted. A hyphen should hang completely off the edge, while an em-dash might only hang halfway. Optical alignment takes a look at the shape of the glyp
Re: [css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:12:44 -0400
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- fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
Overall I think it sounds very complicated... and I'm not convinced it'll work that great in practice. Wouldn't it make more sense to be able to have a kerning value for the start/end of the line and
Re: [css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- Wed, 6 Apr 2016 23:33:27 +0000
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- Alan Stearns <stearns@adobe.com>
I like the overall recasting of the hanging-punctuation property, particularly adding start. But I agree with Jan that the 100/50 split is problematic. I expect its use in Illustrator is mainly a fir
Re: [css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:19:44 -0700
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- Jon Lee <jonlee@apple.com>
They may not be as fine grained, but it seems good enough for Illustrator, and based on examples I’ve seen on the web appears to be good enough for what web authors want. I’d also worry that the
RE: [css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- Fri, 1 Apr 2016 23:00:01 +0200
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- "Jan Tosovsky" <j.tosovsky@email.cz>
Overall a nice attempt. I am just worried those values '100% and 50% outside' are too rough. In ConTeXt typesetting engine both left and right values are specified and they are apparently less coarse
[css-text] Amending hanging-punctuation for Western typography
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- Fri, 01 Apr 2016 01:30:32 -0700
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- Jon Lee <jonlee@apple.com>
Hello all, In response to Hyatt’s questions [1], Fantasai mentioned [2] that the hanging-punctuation property focussed on Western typography. I’d like to make a proposal that I think will cover t
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