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W3C TAG meeting 2-4 April 2012 in Sophia-Antipolis, FR

Left to right: Noah Mendelsohn, Henry Thompson, Tim Berners-Lee, Jeni Tennison, Robin Berjon
Yves Lafon, Ashok Malhotra, Jonathan Rees, Larry Masinter

Agenda Summary

Logistics

Required Reading

See "(required reading)" annotations in agenda items below. For your convenience, I've listed some of the main required reading here as well:

• Publishing and Linking on the Web: W3C Editor's Draft 04 January 2012
• Privacy by Design in APIs: Draft TAG Finding 27 March 2012
• How to Design Applications That Can Run Connected or Disconnected in a Seamless Manner
• Draft Product page for TAG work on Web Application Storage (02 March 2012 Version)
• The TAG Member's Guide to ISSUE-57 Discussion, JAR 2012-03-27
• How to move ISSUE-57 off the TAG's plate - email from JAR 2012-03-25
• either strengthen or retract httpRange-14(a) - email from JAR 2012-03-02

Agenda Details

1. Convene, review agenda
   • Scribes: TAG members are encouraged to sign up for scribing by using CVS to edit scribing assignments table, or by emailing the chair
   • Roll call
     • Regrets: Peter Linss
   • Approve minutes of teleconferences:
   • F2F Goals:
     • Main goals:
       1. Make progress on our top priority products:
       2. Agree to publish working draft on Copyright and Linking
       3. Work with Chris Lilley on RFC 3023bis and fragment identifier semantics
       4. Prepare for publication of first working draft of a TAG finding on APIs and Privacy
       5. Rebalance TAG member assignments
2. Review TAG Priorities for 2012
   • Goals:
     • Remind ourselves of priorities and commitments from TAG product pages
     • The Monday session is primarily a quick level-set at the start of the F2F — updates and debates about the priorities will happen as we go along and in a session on Wednesday.
3. ISSUE-25 (deepLinking-25): Can publication of hyperlinks cause copyright infringment?
   • This work is a top priority for this F2F, and we will schedule multiple sessions on it as appropriate. Please be sure to read the draft prior to the meeting.
   • Goals:
     • Agree to publish a working draft on Copyright & Linking
     • Update product page
   • Background:
     • Publishing and Linking on the Web: W3C Editor's Draft 04 January 2012 (required reading)
     • Product page calling for recommendation in June 2012
     • ACTION-541: on - Jeni Tennison - Helped by DKA to produce draft on technical issues relating to copyright/linking - Due: 2012-04-06 - OPEN
     • ACTION-627: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule very detailed line-by-line review of Pub&Linking draft at January F2F - Due: 2012-01-31 - PENDING REVIEW
     • ACTION-649: on - Jeni Tennison - Produce a document with examples motivating the technical points in the Copyright/Linking document - Due: 2012-03-20 - OPEN
     • 4 January F2F discussion
     • Earlier background:
       • ACTION-629: on - Dan Appelquist - With help from Jeni to propose changes to goals, success criteria etc. for publishing/linking product page - Due: 2012-01-17 - CLOSED
       • Discussion on 17 March 2011, 31 March 2011, and 14 April 2011 of "Copyright and Deep Linking"
       • E-mail from Jeni Tennison clarifying goals for F2F work on Publishing and Linking
       • Update from Jeni Tennison on status of Publishing and Linking work
       • Publishing on the Web (this version still does not have an explicit date, but in private email on 26 April 2011, Dan Appelquist indicated that there have been recent updates — old version) by Jeni Tennison and Dan Appelquist, produced in partial fulfillment of: ACTION-541
       • Tim Berners-Lee alerts the TAG to US legal case in which a Mr. Brian McCarthy has been accused of copyright infringement resulting from his (alleged) publication of links to copyrighted material. (See also long ensuing email thread.) (Criminal complaint)
       • Suggestion to write a technical document on linking and copying (Jonathan)
       • Discussion with Thinh Nguyen at 3 Dec 2010 TAG telcon
       • ACTION-505: on - Daniel Appelquist - Start a document wrt issue-25 - Due: 2011-03-01 - CLOSED
       • Comments from Larry Masinter (27 December 2011)
       • Discussion of publishing and linking at TAG TPAC 2011 meeting
4. Web Applications: Privacy by Design in APIs for Web Applications
   • Note: Dominique Hazael-Massieux will be joining us for this session
   • Goals:
     • Decide whether to re-start TAG work on API Design. If so, decide whether scope of such work should be limited to minimization as originally planned, or expanded to include or focus additionally on other areas relating to privacy, such as fingerprinting
     • Review new draft Privacy by Design in APIs: Draft TAG Finding 27 March 2012
     • Update Draft Product Page to reflect goals, deliverables, and schedules
   • Background:
     • Draft Product Page
     • Privacy by Design in APIs: Draft TAG Finding 27 March 2012
     • ACTION-514: on - Robin Berjon - Draft a finding on API minimization - Due: 2012-05-01 - OPEN
     • Discussion on 2 February 2012
     • Proposal from Robin Berjon to expand the scope of beyond minimization to include other API issues relating to privacy, notably fingerprinting. Robin offers a proposed revised product page
     • Data Minimization in Web APIs: Draft TAG Finding 05 June 2011
     • ACTION-650: on - Jonathan Rees - Review what provenance WG is doing with an eye to application to privacy issues - Due: 2012-03-20 - OPEN
     • Earlier background:
       • Brief discussion on 12 May 2011
       • Discussion at Feb 2011 TAG F2F
       • From previous F2F: Dan Appelquist writeup on API Design - (announcement email)
       • ACTION-461: on - Daniel Appelquist - Draft "finding" on Web Apps API design - Due: 2010-12-31 - CLOSED
5. Report on Paris IETF Meeting
   • Goals:
     • Get an informal report on IETF 83 - Paris, France
     • Identify any issues requiring followup from the TAG
   • Background:
     • ACTION-638: on - Yves Lafon - Help Noah figure out best ways, if at all, for TAG to participate in IETF paris - Due: 2012-03-26 - OPEN
     • ACTION-659: on - Yves Lafon - Track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due: 2012-03-20 - Due: 2012-03-20 - OPEN
6. ISSUE-57 (HttpRedirections-57), ISSUE-63 (metadataArchitecture-63) and ISSUE-14 (HttpRange-14): httpRange-14 — URI Documentation Discovery
   • Goals:
     • Decide on a TAG direction for closing ISSUE-57
     • Decide on a TAG direction for modifying the httpRange-14(a) advice
     • Per product page: decide whether to publish the TAG's work on the W3C Recommendation track.
   • Background:
     • The TAG Member's Guide to ISSUE-57 Discussion JAR 2012-03-27 (required reading)
     • How to move ISSUE-57 off the TAG's plate - email from JAR 2012-03-25 (required reading)
     • either strengthen or retract httpRange-14(a) - email from JAR 2012-03-02 (required reading)
     • Responses to the call for change proposals to address ISSUE-57 (wiki page snapshot 30 March 2012)
     • ACTION-673: on - Jonathan Rees - Prepare for F2F discussion of httpRange-14 change proposals Due 2012-03-13 - Due: 2012-03-20 - OPEN
     • Jonathan Rees announces a Call for proposals to amend the "httpRange-14 resolution"
     • Understanding URI Hosting Practice as Support for URI Documentation Discovery (baseline document for change proposals)
     • Jonathan Rees's earlier announcement of a plan for re-resolving httpRange-14
     • Product page: URI Documentation Discovery
     • ACTION-624: on - Jonathan Rees - Draft for TAG consideration a call for httpRange-14 change proposals - Due: 2011-12-31 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-625: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule followup discussion of http://www.w3.org/wiki/HttpRange14Options (per agreement in Santa Clara) - Due: 2011-12-21 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-589: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Work with Jonathan to update URI definition discovery product page Due: 2011-08-18 - Due: 2011-12-23 - CLOSED
     • Earlier background:
       • Interoperability of referential uses of hashless URIs by Jonathan Rees (announcement email)
       • Providing and discovering definitions of URIs: Editor's Draft 25 June 2011 by Jonathan Rees (announcement email) — required reading
       • Information Resources and Web Metadata: Editor's Draft 25 June 2011 by Jonathan Rees (announcement email) — required reading
       • Wiki page on httpRange-14 history
       • A diagram explaining "metadata", from Jonathan Rees
       • ACTION-201: on - Jonathan Rees - Report on status of AWWSW discussions - Due: 2011-12-28 - OPEN
       • ACTION-282: on - Jonathan Rees - Draft a finding on metadata architecture. - Due: 2011-11-08 - OPEN
       • ACTION-413: on - Dan Connolly - Suggest a path thru some logic terminology that might speed up httpSemantics discussions - Due: 2010-05-07 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-587: on - Jonathan Rees - Prepare issue-57 and issue-63 documents for TAG members to discuss at Sept F2F - Due: 2011-10-11 - CLOSED
7. Web Applications: Fragment ID Semantics and MIME Types
   • Chris Lilley will join us for this session
   • Goals:
     • Get update from Chris Lilley on RFC 3023bis, with emphasis on fragment id semantics
     • Establish TAG position on TAG fragid semantics for application/xxxxx+xml media types
   • Background:
     • ACTION-564: on - Henry Thompson - Track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate - Due: 2012-04-02 - OPEN
     • ACTION-441: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Draft proposed TAG comment on 3023bis regarding fragment ID handling - Due: 2010-06-16 - CLOSED, resulting in e-mail Generic processing of Fragment IDs in RFC 3023bis. That e-mail generated several negative responses, and the TAG later decided (reference?) to grandfather application/rdf+xml as an exception
     • TAG Product relating to Fragment Identifiers and MIME types:
       • Product page: Fragment Identifiers and Mime Types Commitments:
         • Draft Finding for review by relevant editors by end of 31 July 2011
         • 31 December 2011: TAG Finding
       • Mime Types and Fragment IDs: Draft TAG Finding 12 August 2011
       • 7 & 8 June discussion of Fragment ID semantics and XML Media types
       • On 4 August 2011, Peter Linss agrees to join Jeni Tennison and Henry Thompson working on ACTION-567 and ACTION-543
       • ACTION-543: on - Peter Linss - Propose addition to MIME/Web draft to discuss sem-web use of fragids not grounded in media type - Due: 2012-03-27 - OPEN
       • ACTION-567: on - Jeni Tennison - Draft a document describing problems around fragids and ways things should be changed - Due: 2011-06-28 - CLOSED
       • See also: background material for 6-8 June 2011 F2F discussion of Fragment Identifiers
       • Note possible relationship to draft TAG Finding on Client-Side State
     • ACTION-508: on - Larry Masinter - Draft proposed bug report against HTML5 media type registration regarding interpretation of fragid in HTML-based AJAX apps - Due: 2011-07-19 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-509: on - Jeni Tennison - Communicate with RDFa WG regarding documenting the fragid / media type issue - Due: 2011-12-13 - CLOSED
8. Web Application Storage
   • Goals:
     • Commit to a plan for TAG work on Web Application Storage including goals, deliverables as proposed in Draft Product page for TAG work on Web Application Storage
     • Review How to Design Applications That Can Run Connected or Disconnected in a Seamless Manner (required reading)
   • Background:
     • Draft Product page for TAG work on Web Application Storage (02 March 2012 Version) — required reading
     • How to Design Applications That Can Run Connected or Disconnected in a Seamless Manner (required reading)
     • Discussion of Web Application Storage on 1 March 2012
     • Discussion of Web Application Storage on 26 January 2012
     • ACTION-647: on - Ashok Malhotra - Draft product page on client-side storage focusing on specific goals and success criteria - Due: 2012-03-06 - OPEN
     • ACTION-572: on - Yves Lafon - Look at appcache in HTML5 - Due: 2012-03-06 - CLOSED
     • Earlier background:
       • ACTION-632: on - Ashok Malhotra - Frame issues around client-side storage work - Due: 2012-02-14 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-475: on - Ashok Malhotra - Write finding on client-side storage, DanA to review - Due: 2011-08-24 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-523: on - Ashok Malhotra - (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage - Due: 2012-01-17 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-354: on - Ashok Malhotra - Review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about - Due: 2010-03-08 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-392: on - Dan Connolly - Look into using new client side storage APIs as an RDFa or tabulator data store - Due: 2010-03-17 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-435: on - Jonathan Rees - Consult Tyler Close regarding UMP-informed web storage vulnerability analysis - Due: 2010-06-22 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-438: on - Ashok Malhotra - Comment to web storage guys: basically all of this is origin-based, but section 6.1 has a 'may' - - is this a door being held open for CORS? - Due: 2010-06-15 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-586: on - Ashok Malhotra - Add text covering advice equivalent to "Use of AJAX implementation technology is not a sufficient excuse for failing to provide first class URI identification for documents on the Web" - Due: 2011-08-11 - CLOSED
9. Web Applications: Security and Web Applications Permissions
   • Note: Dominique Hazael-Massieux will be joining us for this session
   • Goals:
     • Dom suggested that he would like the opportunity to discuss these topics with the TAG: we will establish more detailed goals during the session.
   • Background on earlier TAG discussions of security:
     • On 15 September 2011 we decided to let others in W3C and IETF take the lead in security work, at least for now.
     • ACTION-344: on - Jonathan Rees - Alert TAG chair when CORS and/or UMP goes to LC to trigger security review - Due: 2012-03-27 - OPEN
     • ACTION-341: on - Yves Lafon - Follow up with Thomas about security review activities for HTML5 - Due: 2011-05-10 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-515: on - Larry Masinter - (as trackbot proxy for John) who will publish http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html, slightly cleaned up, with help from Noah and Larry - Due: 2011-07-30 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-516: on - Yves Lafon - Talk with Thomas Roessler about organizing W3C architecture work on security - Due: 2011-07-19 - CLOSE
     • ACTION-545: on - Ashok Malhotra - Report to TAG, after privacy workshop, regarding architecture issue on privacy and especially degree to which use cases beyond those addressed by "Do Not Track" need attention - Due: 2011-05-03 - CLOSED
     • See also:
       • ACTION-33: on - Henry Thompson - revise naming challenges story in response to Dec 2008 F2F discussion - Due: 2012-06-01 - OPEN
       • ACTION-280: on - Dan Connolly - (with John K) to enumerate some CSRF scenarios discussed in Jun in Cambridge - Due: 2010-10-11 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-340: on - John Kemp - summarize recent discussion around XHR and UMP - Due: 2010-06-04 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-412: on - Dan Connolly - Try the clarification question, blog item, or wiki approach to metadata-in-uris vs CSRF - Due: 2010-06-07 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-417: on - John Kemp - Frame section 7, security - Due: 2011-01-25 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-435: on - Jonathan Rees - Consult Tyler Close regarding UMP-informed web storage vulnerability analysis - Due: 2010-06-22 - CLOSED
       • CORS, UMP and XHR by John Kemp (required reading for previous F2F)
       • John Kemp's note framing a security section for the architecture of Web Applications
10. Possible additional topic: Web applications vs. native applications:
    • On the TAG teleconference of 22 March 2012 Tim suggested we add a session on the prospects for success of Web vs. native applications
11. Possible additional topic: Philosophy of the Web:
    • Web and Philosophy: why and what for? (PhiloWeb 2012) Workshop at the 21st World Wide Web Conference (WWW 2012)
12. Possible additional topic: XML-ER:
    • Goal:
      • Consider whether the XML Error Recovery Community Group effort is adopting the right goals and use cases
      • On 15 March 2012 Henry Thompson requested F2F discussion if there's time
13. Administration:
    • Approve minutes:
      • 8 March 2012
      • 15 March 2012
      • 22 March 2012
    • Future TAG F2F meetings
      • 12-14 June 2012: Cambridge, MA USA
      • We should start planning for a fall meeting
    • Group photo?
14. Action item review:
    • Pending review actions in Tracker
    • Overdue actions in Tracker
    • Open actions in Tracker
15. Open issue review:
    • This is an optional agenda item: we'll do it if there's time
    • Goal: review our list of open issues — look especially for issues that are open but dormant decide to assign resource/close/leave as background activity.