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Agenda of 14 July 2011 TAG Teleconference

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1. Convene
   • Chair: Noah Mendelsohn, Scribe: Yves Lafon (confirmed)
   • Roll call -- Regrets: Tim Berners-Lee
   • Future regrets for July: Tim (21 & 28 July); Larry Masinter (28 July); Yves Lafon (28 July)
   • Agenda Review - this agenda
   • Next Meeting: 21 July 2011, Chair: Noah Mendelsohn
   • Future scribes: Jonthan Rees, Dan Appelquist, Larry Masinter
2. Approve minutes of prior meeting(s)
   • 23 June 2011
3. Administrative items
   • Registration is now open for the 2011 Technical Plenary in Santa Clara, CA
   • Norm Walsh announces new draft of HTML/XML Task Force Report (discussion to be held on the public-html-xml@w3.org mailing list)
   • Meeting and Teleconference Schedules
     • Summer telcons will be likely be held on the following dates:
       • 14 July (this one)
       • Probable: 21 July, 4 August
       • Probably not: 28 July, 11 August, 18 August, 25 August (the chair would like to meet on one more of those August dates, but we would have low attendance)
       • Spreadsheet showing summer regrets (member-only, .xls format)
     • The autumn F2F will be 13-15 September in Edinburgh, UK
     • The TAG will meet 4-6 January 2012 at the W3C offices at MIT in Cambridge, MA
     • TAG members are to hold open the week of 2 April 2012 for likely F2F meeting at the W3C offices at Sophia-Antipolis, France (timed to follow Paris IETF meetings the previous week)
4. HTML5 Review: Normative status of HTML5 Web Authoring Specification
   • Goals:
     • TAG to review HTML5 WG decision on normative status of http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/author/
   • Background:
     • The TAG thought it had agreement with the HTML WG that http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/author/ would be normative, but the copy included with the HTML5 last call was labeled as non-normative.
     • Query from Noah to HTML5 chairs
     • Paul Cotton announces HTML WG chairs' decision including the revised text for authoring draft.
     • ACTION-556: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Follow up with HTML WG chairs as to why http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/author/ is not normative - Due: 2011-06-30 - PENDING REVIEW
     • ACTION-581: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Include discussion of Authoring Spec status resolution http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jun/0287.html in 14 July 2011 Agenda [self-assigned] - Due: 2011-07-12 - PENDING REVIEW
5. ISSUE-35 (RDFinXHTML-35-27): Microdata / RDFa relationship
   • Goals:
     • Find additional ways that the TAG can be helpful in resolving the Microdata / RDFa overlap
   • Background:
     • E-mail from TAG chair to HTML WG raising issues against the Microdata and RDFa+HTML draft specifications and proposing W3C set up a task force to resolve — there has been subsequent e-mail discussion
     • HTML WG opens bugs http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13100 and http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13101 (against Microdata and HTML+RDFa respectively). TAG members may add themselves to the cc: list for discussion, using Bugzilla. You need a Bugzilla account to do that.
     • ACTION-573: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Send Jeni's note to HTML WG, RDFa, and W3C staff on Wed 22 June 2011 if there are no objections received by the 21st Due 2011-06-22 - Due: 2011-06-23 - PENDING REVIEW
     • ACTION-575: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Send http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2011Jun/0082.html as edited Due 2011-06-24 - Due: 2011-06-30 - PENDING REVIEW
     • ACTION-571: on - Jeni Tennison - Write up comments on microdata and RDFa - Due: 2011-06-16 - CLOSED
6. RFC 3023bis and IRI
   • Goals:
     • Finish discussion started on 23 June 2011, specifically relating to "processor profiles, IRIbis, and HTML5"
   • Background:
     • ACTION-577: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule 3023bis discussion of processor profiles and "IRIbis and HTML5", leftover from 23 June discussion, when Larry is available DueL 2011-07-12 - Due: 2011-06-30 - PENDING REVIEW
     • Background for 23 June discussion:
       • Henry provides details of issues to be considered. The following is adapted from Henry's note:
         • RFC 3023bis and fragment identifiers -- We discussed this a year ago (minutes) and came to a conclusion, which Noah took to ACTION-441 to convey to the 3023 editors. There was substantial pushback. Jonathan reported on our further discussion to the 3023 editors, setting out a number of alternative ways forward. Chris Lilley replied stating a preference for option 2. But nothing has happened. . . Time to put a TAG push behind a new draft of 3023bis?
         • 3023bis and Processor Profiles -- The XML Processing Model WG has produced a Last Call WD for XML Processing Profiles. Would 3023bis be the architecturally correct place to connect this to XML itself?
         • IRIbis and HTML5 'URIs' -- The HTML WG has removed all reference to 3987bis, but the IRI WG is exploring ways to get back in (the following is quoted from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-iri/2011May/0026.html):

           	    "In March 2011, the W3C's HTML WG made a decision to close
           	    ISSUE-56 when the parties involved could not come to agreement
           	    on aligning HTML5 with the IRI WG's revisions to RFC 3987:
           
           	    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0404.html
           
           	    "That decision effectively removed the HTML5 specification's
           	    dependency on rfc3987bis.  It appears that this was done so
           	    that the HTML5 specification could define how to translate
           	    input strings contained in text/html documents into URIs.
           
           	    . . .
           
           	    "However, our understanding is that ISSUE-56 can be reopened if
           	    new information emerges, such as "IETF completing production of
           	    a document suitable as a formal reference".  And of course as
           	    chairs of the IRI WG we would like to deliver such a document."
           	    

       • Paul Grosso notes: Also related to IRIbis is the XML Core desire to be able to reference it normatively from the XML and related specs for the definition of LEIRIs as recorded at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Mar/0022 among other places.
7. ACTION-545: Privacy
   • Note: this was a F2F session that we never got to — Ashok Malhotra had agreed to lead it. On 23 June 2011, Ashok asked that we wait for Larry Masinter to be available
   • Goals:
     • Review the Report of the W3C Workshop on Web Tracking and User Privacy (required reading)
     • We will focus primarily, but not exclusively on "Do Not Track" proposals
     • Decide how the TAG will engage in privacy-related work for the remainder of 2011
   • Background:
     • Report of the W3C Workshop on Web Tracking and User Privacy (required reading)
     • ACTION-460: on - Daniel Appelquist - Coordinate with IAB regarding next steps on privacy policy - Due: 2011-05-24 - OPEN
     • ACTION-550: on - Daniel Appelquist - With help from Noah to plan TAG work on privacy, leading to session at F2F, next step is contact with TLR - Due: 2011-05-12 - OPEN
     • ACTION-507: on - Daniel Appelquist - With Noah to suggest next steps for TAG on privacy - Due: 2011-05-03 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-545: on - Ashok Malhotra - Report to TAG, after privacy workshop, regarding architecture issue on privacy and especially degree to which use cases beyond those addressed by "Do Not Track" need attention - Due: 2011-05-03 - CLOSED
     • Earlier background:
       • IETF/W3C Privacy workshop was held at MIT 8-98 December 2011. "Action Items" for W3C were proposed. See: Action items (PDF - may need rotating) collected at IETF/W3C Privacy Workshop wrapup
       • ACTION-264: on - Ashok Malhotra - Draft agenda item for upcoming telcon discussion of geolocation and privacy - Due: 2009-08-04 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-290: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Write to Geolocation WG saying "we have concern that the spec does not say enough user privacy" - Due: 2009-07-30 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-408: on - Daniel Appelquist - Look into next steps on a workshop around device APIs, privacy etc. with tlr - Due: 2010-03-31 - CLOSED
       • ACTION-506: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Noah to bring proposed W3C Actions on Privacy before the TAG - TLR to report back to IETF - Due: 2011-01-11 - CLOSED
       • Papers from earlier IETF/W3C workshop on privacy were at http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/privacy/Privacy_Workshop_Papers.zip but that link appears not to work any more (ACTION-490: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Noah and others(?) going to privacy workshop to report back to the TAG? - Due: 2010-12-21 - CLOSED) (ACTION-506: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Noah to bring proposed W3C Actions on Privacy before the TAG - TLR to report back to IETF - Due: 2011-01-11 - CLOSED)
8. Overdue Action Items:
   • Overdue actions in Tracker
9. Pending Review Items:
   • Pending review actions in Tracker
10. Any other business