14:00:49 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/25-gld-irc
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14:00:54 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone ←
14:00:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri ←
14:00:57 <PhilA> zakim, this is GLD
Phil Archer: zakim, this is GLD ←
14:00:58 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM ←
14:01:01 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:01:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidwood, MHausenblas, George, ??P7, +33.4.93.00.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see davidwood, MHausenblas, George, ??P7, +33.4.93.00.aaaa ←
14:01:07 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me ←
14:01:07 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
14:01:26 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
14:01:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA ←
14:01:31 <atemezin> Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aaaa is me
Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aaaa is me ←
14:01:32 <Zakim> +atemezin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +atemezin; got it ←
14:01:33 <George> MacTed has changed the topic to: Gov't Linked Data WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121025
George Thomas: MacTed has changed the topic to: Gov't Linked Data WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121025 ←
14:01:37 <Zakim> -??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P7 ←
14:01:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:01:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
14:01:50 <PhilA> zakim, IPcaller is me
Phil Archer: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:01:50 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it ←
14:01:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:02:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:02:22 <james> zakim, who's here?
James McKinney: zakim, who's here? ←
14:02:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidwood, cygri, George, atemezin, PhilA, [IPcaller.a], DaveReynolds, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see davidwood, cygri, George, atemezin, PhilA, [IPcaller.a], DaveReynolds, [IPcaller] ←
14:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see George, fadmaa, DaveReynolds, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, cygri, james, atemezin, martinAlvarez, jmynarz, agis, MacTed, bhyland, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see George, fadmaa, DaveReynolds, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, cygri, james, atemezin, martinAlvarez, jmynarz, agis, MacTed, bhyland, sandro, trackbot ←
14:02:30 <agis> zakim, IPcaller is me
Agis Papantoniou: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:02:30 <Zakim> +agis; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +agis; got it ←
14:02:44 <james> zakim, who's on the call?
James McKinney: zakim, who's on the call? ←
14:02:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidwood, cygri, George, atemezin, PhilA, [IPcaller.a], DaveReynolds, agis
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see davidwood, cygri, George, atemezin, PhilA, [IPcaller.a], DaveReynolds, agis ←
14:02:51 <james> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
James McKinney: zakim, IPcaller.a is me ←
14:02:52 <Zakim> +james; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +james; got it ←
14:03:17 <Zakim> +??P22
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22 ←
14:04:04 <jmynarz> Zakim, P22 is me
Jindřich Mynarz: Zakim, P22 is me ←
14:04:04 <Zakim> sorry, jmynarz, I do not recognize a party named 'P22'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jmynarz, I do not recognize a party named 'P22' ←
14:04:14 <jmynarz> Zakim, ??P22 is me
Jindřich Mynarz: Zakim, ??P22 is me ←
14:04:14 <Zakim> +jmynarz; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jmynarz; got it ←
14:04:15 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:04:15 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aabb ←
14:04:25 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353 is me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, +353 is me ←
14:04:25 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it ←
14:05:11 <bhyland> great!
Bernadette Hyland: great! ←
14:05:27 <Zakim> -fadmaa
Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa ←
14:05:39 <bhyland> Nothing like grabbing the new recruits as they walk in the door PhilA!
Bernadette Hyland: Nothing like grabbing the new recruits as they walk in the door PhilA! ←
14:05:57 <Zakim> +Mike_Pendleton
Zakim IRC Bot: +Mike_Pendleton ←
14:06:23 <Zakim> + +1.202.566.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.566.aacc ←
14:06:38 <DruidSmith> zakim, aacc is me
David Smith: zakim, aacc is me ←
14:06:38 <Zakim> +DruidSmith; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +DruidSmith; got it ←
14:06:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:07:11 <olyerickson> Zakim, [ipcaller] is me.
John Erickson: Zakim, [ipcaller] is me. ←
14:07:11 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson; got it ←
14:07:15 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:07:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidwood, cygri, George, atemezin, PhilA, james, DaveReynolds, agis, jmynarz, Sandro, Mike_Pendleton, DruidSmith, olyerickson
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see davidwood, cygri, George, atemezin, PhilA, james, DaveReynolds, agis, jmynarz, Sandro, Mike_Pendleton, DruidSmith, olyerickson ←
14:07:25 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.
John Erickson: zakim, mute me. ←
14:07:25 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should now be muted ←
14:07:27 <bhyland> zakim, davidwood is me
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, davidwood is me ←
14:07:27 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland; got it ←
14:08:19 <cygri> fadmaa, feel free to join me upstairs if your phones are borken :-)
Richard Cyganiak: fadmaa, feel free to join me upstairs if your phones are borken :-) ←
14:08:22 <bhyland> Scribe: mpendleton
(Scribe set to Michael Pendleton)
14:08:24 <bhyland> chair: bhyland
14:08:36 <cygri> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121025
14:08:38 <PhilA> Mike_Pendleton++
Phil Archer: Mike_Pendleton++ ←
14:08:43 <Zakim> + +3539149aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aadd ←
14:08:50 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353 is me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, +353 is me ←
14:08:50 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it ←
14:08:55 <bhyland> Please confirm last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-04
Bernadette Hyland: Please confirm last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-04 ←
14:09:13 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me ←
14:09:13 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should now be muted ←
14:09:29 <bhyland> Please see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-18
Bernadette Hyland: Please see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-18 ←
14:10:02 <Mike_Pendleton> Org Vocab reviewed last week; has gone to last call, thanks to Dave Reynolds
Org Vocab reviewed last week; has gone to last call, thanks to Dave Reynolds ←
14:10:06 <PhilA> yay! http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/
Phil Archer: yay! http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/ ←
14:10:12 <Mike_Pendleton> Next up is DCAT
Next up is DCAT ←
14:10:18 <DaveReynolds> +1 to minutes
Dave Reynolds: +1 to minutes ←
14:10:28 <atemezin> +1 to last week minutes
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to last week minutes ←
14:10:29 <Mike_Pendleton> Minutes accepted
Minutes accepted ←
14:10:45 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:10:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, cygri, George, atemezin, PhilA, james, DaveReynolds, agis, jmynarz, Sandro, Mike_Pendleton, DruidSmith, olyerickson (muted), fadmaa (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, cygri, George, atemezin, PhilA, james, DaveReynolds, agis, jmynarz, Sandro, Mike_Pendleton, DruidSmith, olyerickson (muted), fadmaa (muted) ←
14:10:47 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:10:49 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should no longer be muted ←
14:10:50 <PhilA> +1 to DCAT as primary topic today
Phil Archer: +1 to DCAT as primary topic today ←
14:11:24 <bhyland> Tracker for DCAT http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2
Bernadette Hyland: Tracker for DCAT http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2 ←
14:11:49 <fadmaa> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/26
Fadi Maali: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/26 ←
14:11:59 <Mike_Pendleton> Fadi on DCAT for runthrough on issues list
Fadi on DCAT for runthrough on issues list ←
14:12:06 <PhilA> Editor's draft of DCAT is at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html
Phil Archer: Editor's draft of DCAT is at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html ←
14:12:34 <fadmaa> using literal formatted as xsd;language
Fadi Maali: using literal formatted as xsd;language ←
14:13:26 <olyerickson> Q+
John Erickson: Q+ ←
14:13:28 <cygri> PROPOSAL: recommended values of dcterms:language for DCAT are literals like "en"^^xsd:language
PROPOSED: recommended values of dcterms:language for DCAT are literals like "en"^^xsd:language ←
14:13:32 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.
John Erickson: zakim, unmute me. ←
14:13:32 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should no longer be muted ←
14:13:42 <Zakim> +??P36
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P36 ←
14:13:50 <bhyland> Fadi proposed the following:
Bernadette Hyland: Fadi proposed the following: ←
14:13:51 <martinAlvarez> zakim, ??p36 is me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??p36 is me ←
14:13:51 <Zakim> +martinAlvarez; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +martinAlvarez; got it ←
14:13:59 <martinAlvarez> zakim, mute me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, mute me ←
14:13:59 <Zakim> martinAlvarez should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: martinAlvarez should now be muted ←
14:14:03 <olyerickson> "literal" was one of the choices
John Erickson: "literal" was one of the choices ←
14:14:05 <bhyland> Fadi suggests the following:
Bernadette Hyland: Fadi suggests the following: ←
14:14:05 <bhyland>
14:14:05 <bhyland> 1) drop dcat:dataQuality and dcat:granularity https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10
Bernadette Hyland: 1) drop dcat:dataQuality and dcat:granularity https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10 ←
14:14:05 <bhyland> 2) format of distribution https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12
Bernadette Hyland: 2) format of distribution https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12 ←
14:14:05 <bhyland> 3) size of distribution https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/44
Bernadette Hyland: 3) size of distribution https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/44 ←
14:14:05 <bhyland> 4) Distribution subclasses https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/9 https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/8
Bernadette Hyland: 4) Distribution subclasses https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/9 https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/8 ←
14:14:05 <bhyland> 5) range of dc:language https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/26
Bernadette Hyland: 5) range of dc:language https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/26 ←
14:14:11 <olyerickson> Currently it says to use http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3066.txt
John Erickson: Currently it says to use http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3066.txt ←
14:14:23 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
14:14:29 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:14:35 <PhilA> ack olyerickson
Phil Archer: ack olyerickson ←
14:15:25 <fadmaa> zakim, GofranShu is with me
Fadi Maali: zakim, GofranShu is with me ←
14:15:25 <Zakim> +GofranShu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GofranShu; got it ←
14:15:42 <Mike_Pendleton> John Erikson: clarify - it is inconsistent with Dublin Core; John's recommendation be that it is easy for implementers; use a typed literal as the choice
John Erikson: clarify - it is inconsistent with Dublin Core; John's recommendation be that it is easy for implementers; use a typed literal as the choice ←
14:15:45 <bhyland> olyerickson: The issue is inconsistency between how Dublin Core specifies range of dcterms.
John Erickson: The issue is inconsistency between how Dublin Core specifies range of dcterms. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:16:04 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: The we recommend that the value of dcterms:language be given as a typed literal, e.g. en^^xsd:lang
Phil Archer: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: The we recommend that the value of dcterms:language be given as a typed literal, e.g. en^^xsd:lang ←
14:16:40 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
14:16:45 <Mike_Pendleton> Accepted
Accepted ←
14:16:57 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.
John Erickson: zakim, mute me. ←
14:16:57 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should now be muted ←
14:17:37 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
14:17:50 <Mike_Pendleton> Question from Phil: Are we knowingly making an inconsistency?
Question from Phil: Are we knowingly making an inconsistency? ←
14:18:18 <bhyland> … This is incorrect according to the DC spec which gives the range as http://purl.org/dc/terms/LinguisticSystem - i.e. a resource.
Bernadette Hyland: … This is incorrect according to the DC spec which gives the range as http://purl.org/dc/terms/LinguisticSystem - i.e. a resource. ←
14:19:45 <bhyland> DaveR: Has no problem with what is proposed but isn't sure that it is consistent with the spirit of what DC language as a resource.
Dave Reynolds: Has no problem with what is proposed but isn't sure that it is consistent with the spirit of what DC language as a resource. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:19:49 <atemezin> http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/details/vocabulary_dc.html
Ghislain Atemezing: http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/details/vocabulary_dc.html ←
14:20:26 <james> see http://dublincore.org/schemas/rdfs/
James McKinney: see http://dublincore.org/schemas/rdfs/ ←
14:20:38 <jmynarz> rapper -i rdfxml -o turtle http://purl.org/dc/terms/ > dcterms.ttl
Jindřich Mynarz: rapper -i rdfxml -o turtle http://purl.org/dc/terms/ > dcterms.ttl ←
14:21:04 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: We can't close issue 26. We need to get it right.
Bernadette Hyland: We can't close ISSUE-26. We need to get it right. ←
14:21:44 <bhyland> ACTION: PhilA to get clarification from Maxx Deckers on what DC meant in what they specified.
ACTION: PhilA to get clarification from Maxx Deckers on what DC meant in what they specified. ←
14:21:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Get clarification from Maxx Deckers on what DC meant in what they specified. [on Phil Archer - due 2012-11-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-83 - Get clarification from Maxx Deckers on what DC meant in what they specified. [on Phil Archer - due 2012-11-01]. ←
14:21:48 <Mike_Pendleton> Phil will take an action item to resolve this with Max from the Dublin Core
Phil will take an action item to resolve this with Max from the Dublin Core ←
14:22:23 <jmynarz> This is how dcterms:language is used in practice: http://bit.ly/RYd4Ab
Jindřich Mynarz: This is how dcterms:language is used in practice: http://bit.ly/RYd4Ab ←
14:22:50 <DaveReynolds> Agree with Richard, not inconsistent with letter of spec but worth checking with expert about spirit of DC spec
Dave Reynolds: Agree with Richard, not inconsistent with letter of spec but worth checking with expert about spirit of DC spec ←
14:22:54 <james> +1
James McKinney: +1 ←
14:23:08 <fadmaa> remove dcat:dataQauality, dcat:granularity
Fadi Maali: remove dcat:dataQauality, dcat:granularity ←
14:23:18 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Drop dcat:dataQuality and dcat:granularity
PROPOSED: Drop dcat:dataQuality and dcat:granularity ←
14:23:20 <bhyland> TOPIC: DCAT (continued)
14:23:21 <bhyland> 1) drop dcat:dataQuality and dcat:granularity https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10
Bernadette Hyland: 1) drop dcat:dataQuality and dcat:granularity https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10 ←
14:23:43 <olyerickson> + to nuking data quality
John Erickson: + to nuking data quality ←
14:23:45 <atemezin> +1 to drop
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to drop ←
14:23:49 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
14:24:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:24:24 <Mike_Pendleton> Phil: The issue is not going away, but we can close it here
Phil Archer: The issue is not going away, but we can close it here ←
14:24:34 <Yigal> zakim, IPcaller is me
Yigal Arens: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:24:34 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yigal; got it ←
14:24:45 <Mike_Pendleton> Phil: We need this, but this is not the place for it
Phil Archer: We need this, but this is not the place for it ←
14:24:48 <olyerickson> +0 to granularity (it's not wrong)
John Erickson: +0 to granularity (it's not wrong) ←
14:24:49 <cygri> RESOLUTION: Drop dcat:dataQuality and dcat:granularity
RESOLVED: Drop dcat:dataQuality and dcat:granularity ←
14:24:50 <bhyland> To close Issue-10, We agreed to remove but the issue doesn't go away. This isn't the place for it.
Bernadette Hyland: To close ISSUE-10, We agreed to remove but the issue doesn't go away. This isn't the place for it. ←
14:25:04 <olyerickson> +1 to resolution
John Erickson: +1 to resolution ←
14:25:14 <bhyland> 2) format of distribution https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12
Bernadette Hyland: 2) format of distribution https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12 ←
14:25:54 <olyerickson> "Proposal: define dcat:mediaType as a sub-property of dc:format. Publishers should use dcat:mediaType to provide a Media Type as defined by IANA. if this is not available, then publishers may use dc:format"
John Erickson: "Proposal: define dcat:mediaType as a sub-property of dc:format. Publishers should use dcat:mediaType to provide a Media Type as defined by IANA. if this is not available, then publishers may use dc:format" ←
14:26:15 <bhyland> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
14:26:17 <PhilA> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
14:26:18 <olyerickson> +1
John Erickson: +1 ←
14:26:20 <DaveReynolds> +1
Dave Reynolds: +1 ←
14:26:22 <George> +1
George Thomas: +1 ←
14:26:22 <martinAlvarez> +1
Martín Álvarez: +1 ←
14:26:23 <Mike_Pendleton> Thanks John!
Thanks John! ←
14:26:23 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
14:26:24 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
14:26:35 <bhyland> Next, 3) size of distribution https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/44
Bernadette Hyland: Next, 3) size of distribution https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/44 ←
14:26:44 <Mike_Pendleton> Issue 12 proposal accepted
14:27:00 <cygri> RESOLUTION: define dcat:mediaType as a sub-property of dc:format. Publishers should use dcat:mediaType to provide a Media Type as defined by IANA. if this is not available, then publishers may use dc:format
RESOLVED: define dcat:mediaType as a sub-property of dc:format. Publishers should use dcat:mediaType to provide a Media Type as defined by IANA. if this is not available, then publishers may use dc:format ←
14:27:29 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
14:27:43 <fadmaa> :dist dcat:size [dcat:bytes 1024; rdfs:label 1k]
Fadi Maali: :dist dcat:size [dcat:bytes 1024; rdfs:label 1k] ←
14:27:43 <PhilA> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
14:29:40 <olyerickson> cygri's proposal on dist. size: "...Replace dcat:size and dcat:bytes with a single property dcat:byteSize, range is xsd: decimal, stating that the value can be approximate..."
John Erickson: cygri's proposal on dist. size: "...Replace dcat:size and dcat:bytes with a single property dcat:byteSize, range is xsd: decimal, stating that the value can be approximate..." ←
14:30:05 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:31:37 <olyerickson> RE dcat:byteSize I very much like this, esp. that the size is "approximate." There can be platform-specific ways to document exact size, digital signatures, etc which we won;t get into
John Erickson: RE dcat:byteSize I very much like this, esp. that the size is "approximate." There can be platform-specific ways to document exact size, digital signatures, etc which we won;t get into ←
14:31:48 <olyerickson> Please re-state the resolution
John Erickson: Please re-state the resolution ←
14:32:13 <cygri> RESOLUTION: define dcat:mediaType as a sub-property of dc:format (in the old DC namespace). Publishers should use dcat:mediaType to provide a Media Type as defined by IANA. if this is not available, then publishers may use dc:format
RESOLVED: define dcat:mediaType as a sub-property of dc:format (in the old DC namespace). Publishers should use dcat:mediaType to provide a Media Type as defined by IANA. if this is not available, then publishers may use dc:format ←
14:32:29 <Mike_Pendleton> PROPOSAL: replace properties dcat:size and dcat:bytes with one property dcat:byteSize
PROPOSED: replace properties dcat:size and dcat:bytes with one property dcat:byteSize ←
14:32:32 <bhyland> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/44
Bernadette Hyland: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/44 ←
14:33:13 <bhyland> … byteSize can be approximate
Bernadette Hyland: … byteSize can be approximate ←
14:33:25 <olyerickson> value is "guidance"
John Erickson: value is "guidance" ←
14:33:36 <bhyland> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
14:33:39 <cygri> for example: </dataset123/distribution1> dcat:byteSize 547000.
Richard Cyganiak: for example: </dataset123/distribution1> dcat:byteSize 547000. ←
14:33:46 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: point is that you verify you have the right file
Bernadette Hyland: point is that you verify you have the right file ←
14:33:49 <atemezin> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
14:33:52 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
14:33:52 <martinAlvarez> +1 (easier to use)
Martín Álvarez: +1 (easier to use) ←
14:34:16 <fadmaa> +1+1
Fadi Maali: +1+1 ←
14:34:19 <Mike_Pendleton> RESOLUTION: replace properties dcat:size and dcat:bytes with one property dcat:byteSize
RESOLVED: replace properties dcat:size and dcat:bytes with one property dcat:byteSize ←
14:35:19 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples ←
14:35:29 <bhyland> Two issues re: distribution subclasses, see Distribution subclasses https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/9 https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/8
Bernadette Hyland: Two issues re: distribution subclasses, see Distribution subclasses https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/9 https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/8 ←
14:35:41 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/9
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/9 ←
14:35:45 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/8
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/8 ←
14:36:03 <Mike_Pendleton> Fadi has one more; related to issues 8 and 9
Fadi has one more; related to issues 8 and 9 ←
14:36:50 <Mike_Pendleton> Fadi discussed DCAT examples http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples
fadmaa discussed DCAT examples http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples ←
14:36:51 <atemezin> s/Fadi/fadmaa
14:37:08 <bhyland> Some examples:
Bernadette Hyland: Some examples: ←
14:37:08 <bhyland> -> Direct: accessURL points to a WebService, RSS, XLS, or XML, which
Bernadette Hyland: -> Direct: accessURL points to a WebService, RSS, XLS, or XML, which ←
14:37:08 <bhyland> offers the distribution directly.
Bernadette Hyland: offers the distribution directly. ←
14:37:08 <bhyland> -> Indirect: accessURL points to a REST WebService or API
Bernadette Hyland: -> Indirect: accessURL points to a REST WebService or API ←
14:37:08 <bhyland> documentation (how to use it, parameters, etc) | an XML zipped
Bernadette Hyland: documentation (how to use it, parameters, etc) | an XML zipped ←
14:37:22 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/43
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/43 ←
14:37:53 <Mike_Pendleton> bernadette: This goes to issues around ADMS if I understand correctly; Phil, is this DCAT distrubution related to ADMS?
Bernadette Hyland: This goes to issues around ADMS if I understand correctly; Phil, is this DCAT distrubution related to ADMS? ←
14:37:54 <olyerickson> fadmaa's proposal on distribution sub-typing makes sense to me
John Erickson: fadmaa's proposal on distribution sub-typing makes sense to me ←
14:38:26 <bhyland> 1++ Fadi
Bernadette Hyland: 1++ Fadi ←
14:39:07 <bhyland> Discussed Does dcat:Distribution address one of the use cases of ADMS, i.e., 4 x zipped PDF files ...
Bernadette Hyland: Discussed Does dcat:Distribution address one of the use cases of ADMS, i.e., 4 x zipped PDF files ... ←
14:39:37 <bhyland> Fadi: I think of DCAT describing raw data, not PDF
Fadi Maali: I think of DCAT describing raw data, not PDF [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:39:43 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
14:40:05 <PhilA> ack cygri
Phil Archer: ack cygri ←
14:40:37 <bhyland> Cygri: this is all pretty complicated, we all 'know' what a data catalog is, but we really aren't defining it explicitely.
Richard Cyganiak: this is all pretty complicated, we all 'know' what a data catalog is, but we really aren't defining it explicitely. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:40:52 <bhyland> … thus hard to make hard & fast rules about what is "in" vs "out" of a data catalog
Bernadette Hyland: … thus hard to make hard & fast rules about what is "in" vs "out" of a data catalog ←
14:41:07 <cygri> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html#class--dataset
Richard Cyganiak: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html#class--dataset ←
14:41:12 <bhyland> … everyone has different views of what can & cannot go in a data catalog using DCAT
Bernadette Hyland: … everyone has different views of what can & cannot go in a data catalog using DCAT ←
14:41:53 <bhyland> Per the ED, "DCAT is an RDF vocabulary designed to facilitate interoperability between data catalogs published on the Web. This document defines the schema and provides examples for its use.
Bernadette Hyland: Per the ED, "DCAT is an RDF vocabulary designed to facilitate interoperability between data catalogs published on the Web. This document defines the schema and provides examples for its use. ←
14:41:54 <bhyland>
14:42:23 <atemezin> @cygri: could we *exclude* those type of *things (eg PDF) in the spec ?
Ghislain Atemezing: @cygri: could we *exclude* those type of *things (eg PDF) in the spec ? ←
14:42:26 <bhyland> … whether a zipped file can be described using DCAT, it isn't currently addressed by DCAT sufficiently
Bernadette Hyland: … whether a zipped file can be described using DCAT, it isn't currently addressed by DCAT sufficiently ←
14:43:18 <bhyland> Sounds to me like we need to review DCAT & ADMS in context of common use cases
Bernadette Hyland: Sounds to me like we need to review DCAT & ADMS in context of common use cases ←
14:44:14 <bhyland> cygri: I have yet so see handling of archive files sufficiently handled by gov data catalog sites … it is a case that hasn't been fully addressed.
Richard Cyganiak: I have yet so see handling of archive files sufficiently handled by gov data catalog sites … it is a case that hasn't been fully addressed. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:44:49 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: we need a dedicated session on this....it goes to the heart of ADMS too.
Bernadette Hyland: we need a dedicated session on this....it goes to the heart of ADMS too. ←
14:45:58 <bhyland> cygri: Invoked Rufus Pollock in relation to use of DCAT for CKAN. There are use cases where there is a desire to describe associated documentation of a given dataset, or scripts that were used to create a dataset, or representative sample data from a dataset that isn't a data set per se.
Richard Cyganiak: Invoked Rufus Pollock in relation to use of DCAT for CKAN. There are use cases where there is a desire to describe associated documentation of a given dataset, or scripts that were used to create a dataset, or representative sample data from a dataset that isn't a data set per se. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:46:25 <bhyland> … DCAT as designed currently doesn't describe supplementary documentation. We need to figure out how to do this.
Bernadette Hyland: … DCAT as designed currently doesn't describe supplementary documentation. We need to figure out how to do this. ←
14:46:27 <Mike_Pendleton> cygri: core issue (also addressed by Rufus P.) CKAN use cases also describe other things (e.g., scripts used to create the dataset). DCAT doesn't discuss decribing these things.
Richard Cyganiak: core issue (also addressed by Rufus P.) CKAN use cases also describe other things (e.g., scripts used to create the dataset). DCAT doesn't discuss decribing these things. ←
14:46:46 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples#5._A_dataset_with_an_example_record is an example that uses dc:reference for an example which is too generic
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples#5._A_dataset_with_an_example_record is an example that uses dc:reference for an example which is too generic ←
14:46:47 <PhilA> Is DCAT for 3* + and ADMS for 1 and 2 star?
Phil Archer: Is DCAT for 3* + and ADMS for 1 and 2 star? ←
14:46:52 <bhyland> … This gets to the core of ADMS and DCAT, issues around interoperability of downloadable resources.
Bernadette Hyland: … This gets to the core of ADMS and DCAT, issues around interoperability of downloadable resources. ←
14:47:22 <Mike_Pendleton> cygri: if we had the answers to this; things would fall into place
Richard Cyganiak: if we had the answers to this; things would fall into place ←
14:47:40 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: This makes the point that we need a separate session on this.
Bernadette Hyland: This makes the point that we need a separate session on this. ←
14:47:53 <fadmaa> +1 to a dedicated session
Fadi Maali: +1 to a dedicated session ←
14:48:07 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: This is at the core of 3, 4, and 5 star data we are trying to publish
Bernadette Hyland: This is at the core of 3, 4, and 5 star data we are trying to publish ←
14:48:32 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette to Fadi: any other issues that need to be addressed to move DCAT forward?
Bernadette to Fadi: any other issues that need to be addressed to move DCAT forward? ←
14:48:59 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
14:49:10 <bhyland> Issues 8,9 and 43 all related to bigger distribution topic that we want to follow up with in a focused DCAT WG call.
Bernadette Hyland: Issues 8,9 and 43 all related to bigger distribution topic that we want to follow up with in a focused DCAT WG call. ←
14:49:12 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:49:58 <bhyland> PhilA: We can move FPWD to LC even with a handful of open issues.
Phil Archer: We can move FPWD to LC even with a handful of open issues. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:50:00 <Mike_Pendleton> Phil: Some of these issues may be left open and we can still publish
Phil Archer: Some of these issues may be left open and we can still publish ←
14:50:02 <bhyland> Propose Move DCAT to LC
Bernadette Hyland: Propose Move DCAT to LC ←
14:50:45 <Mike_Pendleton> Phil: you can get a new version out w/o closed issues; but we can't move to LC with open issues
Phil Archer: you cannot get a new version out w/o closed issues; but we cannot't move to LC with open issues ←
14:50:46 <bhyland> s/can/cannot
14:51:01 <Mike_Pendleton> LC is last call
LC is last call ←
14:51:34 <Mike_Pendleton> Phil: would like a new version published with open issues
Phil Archer: would like a new version published with open issues ←
14:52:01 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
14:52:04 <PhilA> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
14:52:06 <Mike_Pendleton> fadmaa: can do this Monday
Fadi Maali: can do this Monday ←
14:52:07 <bhyland> ACTION: Fadi to update DCAT FPWD with revisions from this past 2 weeks discussion
ACTION: Fadi to update DCAT FPWD with revisions from this past 2 weeks discussion ←
14:52:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - Update DCAT FPWD with revisions from this past 2 weeks discussion [on Fadi Maali - due 2012-11-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-84 - Update DCAT FPWD with revisions from this past 2 weeks discussion [on Fadi Maali - due 2012-11-01]. ←
14:53:27 <Mike_Pendleton> bernadette: Next
Bernadette Hyland: Next ←
14:54:16 <bhyland> cygri: Recommends that distribution issues be solved before next PWD.
Richard Cyganiak: Recommends that distribution issues be solved before next PWD. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:54:19 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: That we aim to resolve to publish a new version of DCAT in 2 weeks' time. Whether that is LC or not remains open
Phil Archer: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: That we aim to resolve to publish a new version of DCAT in 2 weeks' time. Whether that is LC or not remains open ←
14:54:34 <atemezin> +1 to solve the distribution issue before the next working draft
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to solve the distribution issue before the next working draft ←
14:55:06 <cygri> +0.5
Richard Cyganiak: +0.5 ←
14:55:39 <bhyland> Fadi & Cygri agreed to talk over the next two weeks and edit the DCAT FPWD so we can publish another working draft within 3 weeks.
Bernadette Hyland: Fadi & Cygri agreed to talk over the next two weeks and edit the DCAT FPWD so we can publish another working draft within 3 weeks. ←
14:55:42 <bhyland> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
14:56:05 <atemezin> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
14:56:50 <olyerickson> +1...I wasn't opposed to the previous proposal, and I think we will either solve this quickly or we need to rethinking it
John Erickson: +1...I wasn't opposed to the previous proposal, and I think we will either solve this quickly or we need to rethink it ←
14:56:58 <olyerickson> s/rethinking/rethink/
14:57:32 <bhyland> Topic: Linked Data Glossary, W3 Working Note or wiki?
14:57:41 <Mike_Pendleton> RESOLUTION: resolve to publish a new version of DCAT in 2 weeks' time; another draft in the next 2-3 weeks
RESOLVED: resolve to publish a new version of DCAT in 2 weeks' time; another draft in the next 2-3 weeks ←
14:57:41 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me ←
14:57:44 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should now be muted ←
14:58:11 <bhyland> Last week mhausenblas mentioned glossary going here http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
Bernadette Hyland: Last week mhausenblas mentioned glossary going here http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page ←
14:58:32 <sandro> +1 Working Group NOTE
Sandro Hawke: +1 Working Group NOTE ←
14:58:43 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette requesting opinion on glossary as working note or wiki
Bernadette requesting opinion on glossary as working note or wiki ←
14:58:46 <sandro> (not strong opinion)
Sandro Hawke: (not strong opinion) ←
14:58:52 <bhyland> Question - Should it be a Working Note or wiki
Bernadette Hyland: Question - Should it be a Working Note or wiki ←
14:59:21 <DaveReynolds> No strong opinion. Weak preference for Wiki to simplify future update.
Dave Reynolds: No strong opinion. Weak preference for Wiki to simplify future update. ←
14:59:26 <bhyland> cygri: suggested that language will evolve with current usage
Richard Cyganiak: suggested that language will evolve with current usage [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:59:37 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:59:57 <Mike_Pendleton> Richard: There will be updates after the WG terminates; language will evolve;
Richard Cyganiak: There will be updates after the WG terminates; language will evolve; ←
15:00:42 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: I've not gotten input since June
Bernadette Hyland: I've not gotten input since June ←
15:01:09 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:01:14 <cygri> ack me
Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←
15:01:14 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: There will always be new things, I propose the working note
Bernadette Hyland: There will always be new things, I propose the working note ←
15:01:15 <bhyland> ack cygri
Bernadette Hyland: ack cygri ←
15:01:29 <PhilA> ack sandro
Phil Archer: ack sandro ←
15:01:39 <Mike_Pendleton> Sandro: there is not rule about who owns a note once published
Sandro Hawke: there is not rule about who owns a note once published ←
15:02:14 <bhyland> Sandro: Procedurally, there is no reason another WG or even say eGov IG couldn't take on editing the Note.
Sandro Hawke: Procedurally, there is no reason another WG or even say eGov IG couldn't take on editing the Note. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:02:18 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:02:19 <Mike_Pendleton> Sandro: Semantic Web Interest Group could take over the Note (not WG Note)
Sandro Hawke: Semantic Web Interest Group could take over the Note (not WG Note) ←
15:02:39 <PhilA> I prefer a Note personally
Phil Archer: I prefer a Note personally ←
15:02:46 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: Objections to a Note?
Bernadette Hyland: Objections to a Note? ←
15:02:51 <bhyland> No objection to the Linked Data Glossary being published as a Note.
Bernadette Hyland: No objection to the Linked Data Glossary being published as a Note. ←
15:02:52 <DaveReynolds> No objection, still mild preference for wiki.
Dave Reynolds: No objection, still mild preference for wiki. ←
15:03:10 <atemezin> No objection
Ghislain Atemezing: No objection ←
15:03:56 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: Thanks for your time; send projects announcements around publishing LOD by today for tomorrow; Bernadette leaves for France Monday.
Bernadette Hyland: Thanks for your time; send projects announcements around publishing LOD by today for tomorrow; Bernadette leaves for France Monday. ←
15:04:03 <Mike_Pendleton> Adjourned
Adjourned ←
15:04:20 <martinAlvarez> thanks, bye
Martín Álvarez: thanks, bye ←
15:04:22 <Zakim> -bhyland
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15:04:22 <Mike_Pendleton> Not meeting next week; next meeting Nov 8.
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15:04:31 <bhyland> thanks all & safe travels.
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15:04:58 <Zakim> Attendees were George, cygri, atemezin, PhilA, DaveReynolds, agis, james, jmynarz, Sandro, +3539149aabb, fadmaa, Mike_Pendleton, +1.202.566.aacc, DruidSmith, olyerickson,
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15:04:58 <Zakim> ... bhyland, +3539149aadd, martinAlvarez, GofranShu, Yigal
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15:05:13 <bhyland> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
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15:05:20 <bhyland> RRSAgent, generate minutes
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15:08:18 <bhyland> Minutes published here http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25
Bernadette Hyland: Minutes published here http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25 ←
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