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Agenda of 3 September 2009 TAG teleconference

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1. Convene
   • Chair: Noah, Scribe: Henry Thompson (unconfirmed)
   • Roll call -- Regrets: John Kemp (at risk), Henry Thompson (at risk)
   • Agenda Review - this agenda
   • Next Telcon: 10 September 2009 Chair: Noah; Scribe: Dan Connolly (unconfirmed)
   • Future scribes: Henry -> Dan -> Ashok
2. Approve minutes of prior meeting(s)
   • 13 August 2009
   • 27 August 2009
3. Reminders
   • A Call for Exclusions has been sent for patents relating to the First Public Working Draft of our Finding on Usage Patterns For Client-Side URL parameters (call for exclusions update). The call for exclusions ends 22 October 2009.
   • Future F2F meetings:
     • 23-25 Sept 2009 @ MIT (Per resolution of 24 June 2009)
     • 2-6 November 2006 @ W3C Technical Plenary, Santa Clara, CA
     • 8-10 December 2009 @ MIT (Per resolution of 25 June 2009 - note that Raman and John Kemp have confirmed the acceptability of this date, though Raman is unsure he'll attend).
     • Suggestion that we co-locate TAG meeting with IETF meeting in Anaheim, 21-26 March 2010 (email from Larry and response from Noah — both W3C member-only). Discussed briefly on 6 August 2009.
4. Administrative items (Brief)
   • Mark Nottingham and Lisa Dusseault have been asked to join the TAG for a discussion of sniffing. Email from Mark suggests a 10 AM slot during our Sept. F2F. Lisa says that's likely OK with her. Shall we plan to invite them to call, probably 24 Sept (Thurs) or 25 Sept (Fri)? (close ACTION-257?)
5. HTML (Not including versioning - see next item)
   • Background:
     • TAG chair call for TAG members to itemize potential issues with HTML 5 drafts.
     • HTML working group intention to take HTML to W3C Last Call sometime between October and December, 2009 (per note from HTML WG co-chair Sam Ruby)
     • Division of labour for TAG reading the HTML 5 draft specification that we agreed to on July 23.
     • Dan Connolly and Michael Sperberg-McQueen draft Web addresses in HTML 5, which is factored from the HTML 5 draft. (see email from Dan announcing the draft). This was discussed on 23 April 2009 and the associated ACTION-253 requesting that Dan brief us was closed.
     • Ian Hickson announces availability of initial drafts of HTML 5 authoring specifications. This is, in part, in response to a suggestion made by Noah in October 2008, shortly after the HTML/TAG joint working group meeting at the Mandelieu Technical Plenary.
     • Noah announces preliminary list of potential issues for consideration (late addition to agenda - email)
     • Ashok's list of potential issues for consideration (late addition to agenda)
   • Earlier background:
     • Discussion of versioning and HTML at June 2009 TAG F2F (session 1 and session 2)
     • June 2009 F2F discussion of plans to review HTML 5 drafts
     • ACTION-188 on Dan Connolly: Investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. - due 2009-03-17 - closed.
     • Raman's proposed HTML analysis big picture as prepared for the 2008 Kansas City TAG F2F
   • TAG Issues relating to this discussion:
     • ISSUE-20 (errorHandling-20) What should specifications say about error handling? shepherd: Henry Thompson
     • ISSUE-33 (mixedUIXMLNamespace-33) Composability for user interface-oriented XML namespaces (no shepherd)
     • ISSUE-54 (TagSoupIntegration-54) Tag soup integration. shepherd: Henry Thompson
   • TAG Actions relating to this discussion:
     • ACTION-188 on Dan Connolly: Investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. - due 2009-03-17 - closed.
     • ACTION-288: Arrange "divying" of HTML 5 into sections such that each part of spec is read by at least one TAG member - Henry Thompson. Due: 2009-07-02. Henry responded with a Proposed division of labour wrt reading the HTML 5 spec that we agreed to on July 23.
     • ACTION-294 on Larry Masinter: Read HTML spec parts from http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/07/html5/Overview.pdf
     • ACTION-298 on Larry Masinter: Notify the TAG of the next IRI draft (now due 15 Sept)
   • Goals:
     • Briefly review each issue suggested by TAG members in response the the chair's call. Identify highest priority issues.
     • Discuss WebAddress issue. On last week's call, this was deferred for 1 week at Larry's request in hopes that a revised IRI-bis draft would be available. (seems now due 15 Sept - ACTION-298)
     • Detailed technical discussion of high priority issues
6. Version identifiers
   • Background:
     • Larry Masinter announces new draft of Architectural Considerations for Language Versioning for the Web . Chair's response from Noah (member-only).
     • Larry requested discussion of this on 27 August; chair responded with commitment to put on agenda for 3 Sept.
   • TAG Issues relating to this discussion:
     • ISSUE-20 (errorHandling-20) What should specifications say about error handling? shepherd: Henry Thompson
     • ISSUE-41 (LanguageVersioning-41) What are good practices for designing extensible languages and for handling versioning? shepherd: Larry Masinter
     • ISSUE-54 (TagSoupIntegration-54) Tag soup integration. shepherd: Henry Thompson
   • TAG Actions relating to this discussion:
     • ACTION-283: Update document on version identifiers w.r.t. Cambridge June discussion - Larry Masinter. Due: 2009-08-31
   • Goals:
     • At request of Larry and wrt/ ACTION-283, revisit versioning and robustness principle.
     • Begin to identify particular points, if any, on which the TAG might agree. Focus especially on possible input to HTML 5 work.
7. Web Sockets URI schemes and protocols
   • Background:
     • Ian Hickson announces the IETF registration for the Web socket-related URI schemes ws and wss (I've corrected the fragment identifier from Ian's announcement...NM)
     • Alan Ruttenberg asks whether the new Web socket protocol is needed
   • Goals:
     • Decide whether the TAG has concerns with the proposed ws and wss URI schemes
     • Decide whether the TAG has concerns with the proposed Web sockets protocol
     • If "yes" to either of the above, determine next steps.
8. Pending Review Items:
   • Pending review actions in Tracker
9. Overdue Action Items:
   • Overdue actions in Tracker
10. Any other business