Minutes were approved.
Congratulations to the editors of the FPWDs (overview, links, dc, xml). Their transition request was approved this week. Publication scheduled for Dec 11th.
Getting Things Ready for Implementation
The questionnaires need to be mostly ready for the CR transition call on Friday, and final release on Tuesday. Luc will provide urls to concepts. Paul will replicate the questionnaire for the various kinds of implementations. Dong has curated a test suite of 240+ test cases (each of them formatted in rdf, prov-n, xml). The test cases are ready for review by the WG. Jun and Paul will do it as they implement test cases. Paolo and James are invited to look at them (in their absence, action was raised). Issues regarding the submission of the constraints implementation report were discussed, and in particular it is investigated whether a form can support it.
Stian made a proposal, using substitution groups, to manage the prov namespace, with multiple schema files. The prov-xml editors are invited to review the proposal and try to converge to a solution (action raised against Stephan).
Extensive editorial changes have taken place during the last week. There are a few issues that need discussion/decision by the group. Graham will initiate discussion by email.
James had produced an update on progress ahead of the meeting. Ivan will approach the math-ml contact to see if there are any tools that may help in converting the document to note format. Tom offered to check whether rules had been properly encoded.
Sam and Tom are aiming to produce a version of prov-dictionary by the next telco, ready for an internal review. The aim is to synchronize a FPWD release with proposed recommendations.
15:52:48 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-prov-irc
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15:52:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:52:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV
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15:52:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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15:52:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:52:53 <trackbot> Date: 06 December 2012
15:53:17 <Luc> trackbot, start telcon
Luc Moreau: trackbot, start telcon ←
15:53:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:53:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV
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15:53:21 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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15:53:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:53:22 <trackbot> Date: 06 December 2012
15:53:25 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
15:53:25 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes ←
15:53:43 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.12.06
15:53:55 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
15:54:31 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public ←
15:55:01 <Luc> Regrets: James Cheney, Paolo Missier, Timothy Lebo
15:56:22 <pgroth> you can add Stephan Zednik
Paul Groth: you can add Stephan Zednik ←
15:56:26 <Luc> Regrets: James Cheney, Paolo Missier, Timothy Lebo, Stephan Zednik, Hook Hua
15:56:36 <pgroth> :-(
Paul Groth: :-( ←
15:57:19 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
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15:57:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:57:26 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the call?
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15:57:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
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15:57:36 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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15:57:36 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
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15:57:55 <ivan> zakim, code?
Ivan Herman: zakim, code? ←
15:57:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
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15:58:20 <Zakim> +ivan
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15:58:34 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa
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15:58:47 <Luc> zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me
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15:58:47 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
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15:58:58 <Luc> zakim, who is on the call?
Luc Moreau: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:58:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, ivan, Luc
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15:59:28 <Zakim> +??P13
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15:59:39 <smiles> zakim, ??P13 is me
Simon Miles: zakim, ??P13 is me ←
15:59:39 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
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16:00:43 <Zakim> + +1.315.941.aabb
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16:00:49 <tlebo> zakim, I am aabb
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16:00:49 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it
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16:01:04 <Zakim> +??P1
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16:01:13 <jun> zakim, ??p1 is me
16:01:13 <Zakim> +jun; got it
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16:01:13 <Luc> i need a scribe please
Luc Moreau: i need a scribe please ←
16:01:26 <pgroth> i can if no one else
Paul Groth: i can if no one else ←
16:01:28 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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16:01:38 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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16:01:38 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
16:01:39 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
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16:01:39 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
16:01:44 <smiles> I can scribe
Simon Miles: I can scribe ←
16:01:47 <tlebo> sorry, I might get pulled away during the call.
Timothy Lebo: sorry, I might get pulled away during the call. ←
16:01:58 <smiles> ok
Simon Miles: ok ←
16:02:05 <smiles> Scribe: smiles
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16:02:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:02:32 <stain> zakim, +IPcaller is me
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16:02:32 <Zakim> sorry, stain, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, stain, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller' ←
16:02:37 <stain> zakim, IPcaller is me
Stian Soiland-Reyes: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
16:02:37 <Zakim> +stain; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +stain; got it ←
16:02:49 <Luc> topic: admin
Summary: Minutes were approved.
<luc>Summary: Minutes were approved.
16:02:52 <Luc> proposed: to approve the minutes of last week's teleconference
PROPOSED: to approve the minutes of last week's teleconference ←
16:03:01 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:03:05 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:03:06 <jun> +1
16:03:14 <smiles> +1
+1 ←
16:03:15 <Dong> +1
Trung Huynh: +1 ←
16:03:20 <stain> 0 not read (the link?)
Stian Soiland-Reyes: 0 not read (the link?) ←
16:03:28 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
16:03:35 <Luc> resolved: the minutes of last week's teleconference
RESOLVED: the minutes of last week's teleconference ←
16:03:39 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
16:03:39 <stain> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-29
Stian Soiland-Reyes: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-29 ←
16:04:14 <GK> zakim, ??p26 is me
Graham Klyne: zakim, ??p26 is me ←
16:04:14 <Zakim> +GK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it ←
16:04:16 <pgroth> no
Paul Groth: no ←
16:04:17 <pgroth> no
Paul Groth: no ←
16:04:19 <smiles> Luc: Actions open, Tim's for later, Luc's not done, Stefan's will be covered later
Luc Moreau: Actions open, Tim's for later, Luc's not done, Stefan's will be covered later ←
16:04:20 <Zakim> -stain
Zakim IRC Bot: -stain ←
16:04:37 <Luc> topic: congratulations
Summary: Congratulations to the editors of the FPWDs (overview, links, dc, xml). Their transition request was approved this week. Publication scheduled for Dec 11th.
<luc>Summary: Congratulations to the editors of the FPWDs (overview, links, dc, xml). Their transition request was approved this week. Publication scheduled for Dec 11th.
16:04:44 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Dec/0017.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Dec/0017.html ←
16:04:58 <pgroth> s/topoic/topic
Paul Groth: s/topoic/topic (warning: replacement failed) ←
16:05:20 <smiles> Luc: Transition request approved for four new notes: overview, links, dc mapping, and xml
Luc Moreau: Transition request approved for four new notes: overview, links, dc mapping, and xml ←
16:05:33 <smiles> ... congratulations to editors
... congratulations to editors ←
16:06:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:06:14 <smiles> ivan: Checked with Dennis, who will check the release documents at the weekend, no problem with publication
Ivan Herman: Checked with Dennis, who will check the release documents at the weekend, no problem with publication ←
16:06:39 <Zakim> + +44.789.470.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.789.470.aacc ←
16:06:43 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:06:51 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:06:58 <smiles> Luc: May not be available at all times on Monday, Tuesday, to deal with problems
Luc Moreau: May not be available at all times on Monday, Tuesday, to deal with problems ←
16:07:22 <smiles> ivan: Publication will usually happen Tuesday morning Boston time
Ivan Herman: Publication will usually happen Tuesday morning Boston time ←
16:07:35 <pgroth> do we need a blog post?
Paul Groth: do we need a blog post? ←
16:07:36 <smiles> ... need blurb for W3C homepage
... need blurb for W3C homepage ←
16:07:43 <Zakim> + +329331aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aadd ←
16:07:52 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:07:53 <TomDN> Zakim, +329 is me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, +329 is me ←
16:07:54 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it ←
16:07:59 <smiles> ... once publication is out, blog post would be good
... once publication is out, blog post would be good ←
16:08:03 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:08:11 <smiles> pgroth: I can prepare a blog post, ready for Tuesday
Paul Groth: I can prepare a blog post, ready for Tuesday ←
16:08:12 <TomDN> (sorry I'm late, other meeting ran late)
Tom De Nies: (sorry I'm late, other meeting ran late) ←
16:08:20 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
16:08:47 <smiles> ivan: Whatever goes to the W3C homepage, I repeat it on the activity blog
Ivan Herman: Whatever goes to the W3C homepage, I repeat it on the activity blog ←
16:09:04 <smiles> ... so better if one of chairs write this text
... so better if one of chairs write this text ←
16:09:21 <pgroth> yes
Paul Groth: yes ←
16:09:24 <smiles> ... could be separate blog post with more details, which can also go to activity blog
... could be separate blog post with more details, which can also go to activity blog ←
16:10:06 <smiles> pgroth: If something comes up regarding publication, we can directly edit the HTML?
Paul Groth: If something comes up regarding publication, we can directly edit the HTML? ←
16:10:11 <smiles> ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
16:10:16 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:10:28 <Luc> topic: Getting Things Ready for Implementation
Summary: The questionnaires need to be mostly ready for the CR transition call on Friday, and final release on Tuesday. Luc will provide urls to concepts. Paul will replicate the questionnaire for the various kinds of implementations. Dong has curated a test suite of 240+ test cases (each of them formatted in rdf, prov-n, xml). The test cases are ready for review by the WG. Jun and Paul will do it as they implement test cases. Paolo and James are invited to look at them (in their absence, action was raised). Issues regarding the submission of the constraints implementation report were discussed, and in particular it is investigated whether a form can support it.
<luc>Summary: The questionnaires need to be mostly ready for the CR transition call on Friday, and final release on Tuesday. Luc will provide urls to concepts. Paul will replicate the questionnaire for the various kinds of implementations. Dong has curated a test suite of 240+ test cases (each of them formatted in rdf, prov-n, xml). The test cases are ready for review by the WG. Jun and Paul will do it as they implement test cases. Paolo and James are invited to look at them (in their absence, action was raised). Issues regarding the submission of the constraints implementation report were discussed, and in particular it is investigated whether a form can support it.
16:10:49 <smiles> Luc: There are outstanding questions regarding questionnaire
Luc Moreau: There are outstanding questions regarding questionnaire ←
16:10:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
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16:11:06 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me ←
16:11:06 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidBelhajjame; got it ←
16:11:15 <smiles> pgroth: Questionnaire has not changed much since last week, couple of things Stefan needs to do
Paul Groth: Questionnaire has not changed much since last week, couple of things Stefan needs to do ←
16:11:37 <pgroth> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99999/prov-implementation-survey/?login
Paul Groth: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99999/prov-implementation-survey/?login ←
16:11:48 <smiles> ... he has copied three questionnaires into one and added question about PROV constraints
... he has copied three questionnaires into one and added question about PROV constraints ←
16:12:19 <smiles> ... he still needs to create the other questionnaires
... he still needs to create the other questionnaires ←
16:12:38 <smiles> ... for different kinds of products: implementation, vocabulary
... for different kinds of products: implementation, vocabulary ←
16:12:40 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:13:12 <smiles> Luc: questionnaire ready for management telecon tomorrow?
Luc Moreau: questionnaire ready for management telecon tomorrow? ←
16:13:25 <smiles> ... does not have all links to concepts in CR documents
... does not have all links to concepts in CR documents ←
16:13:50 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me ←
16:13:50 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
16:14:01 <smiles> pgroth: I can update this questionnaire with links
Paul Groth: I can update this questionnaire with links ←
16:14:20 <smiles> Luc: currently links point to sections, not definitions
Luc Moreau: currently links point to sections, not definitions ←
16:14:33 <tlebo> q?
Timothy Lebo: q? ←
16:15:22 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:15:44 <smiles> Luc: Any questions on questionnaires?
Luc Moreau: Any questions on questionnaires? ←
16:16:07 <Dong> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/process.html
Trung Huynh: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/process.html ←
16:16:15 <smiles> Dong: (regarding test cases) Above are the current documents
Trung Huynh: (regarding test cases) Above are the current documents ←
16:16:41 <smiles> ... Issues raised by internal reviewers addressed, almost ready to go
... Issues raised by internal reviewers addressed, almost ready to go ←
16:16:49 <SamCoppens> zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN
Sam Coppens: zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN ←
16:16:49 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens; got it ←
16:17:08 <smiles> ... except that test cases missing for some constraints
... except that test cases missing for some constraints ←
16:18:05 <smiles> Luc: The test cases do not need to be frozen by 11th, need to be good but as others implement we may come up with other examples
Luc Moreau: The test cases do not need to be frozen by 11th, need to be good but as others implement we may come up with other examples ←
16:18:18 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:18:57 <smiles> Dong: Good. In current version of test case document, we ask people to email results back to us, maybe be better to use questionnaire
Trung Huynh: Good. In current version of test case document, we ask people to email results back to us, maybe be better to use questionnaire ←
16:19:12 <pgroth> that's a good idea…
Paul Groth: that's a good idea… ←
16:19:26 <smiles> ... I will see if the questionnaire allows us to have text fields they can copy these into instead
... I will see if the questionnaire allows us to have text fields they can copy these into instead ←
16:20:07 <smiles> pgroth: Could be possible, but would have to go through test case numbers in WBS
Paul Groth: Could be possible, but would have to go through test case numbers in WBS ←
16:20:29 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo ←
16:20:33 <Luc> if you look at the current questionnaire, you have free text boxes
Luc Moreau: if you look at the current questionnaire, you have free text boxes ←
16:20:44 <smiles> Dong: Do not to intend to list all test cases as options, but just provide big text fields
Trung Huynh: Do not to intend to list all test cases as options, but just provide big text fields ←
16:21:43 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:22:06 <smiles> Dong: need volunteer reviewers for test case document
Trung Huynh: need volunteer reviewers for test case document ←
16:22:45 <smiles> Luc: There are a couple of lines with no test cases listed, but for which we do have test cases
Luc Moreau: There are a couple of lines with no test cases listed, but for which we do have test cases ←
16:22:53 <smiles> Dong: Yes, some to add to test suite
Trung Huynh: Yes, some to add to test suite ←
16:23:27 <pgroth> +10
Paul Groth: +10 ←
16:23:32 <smiles> Luc: Thanks to Dong for all the work: 240 different tests, for each of 3 serialisations
Luc Moreau: Thanks to Dong for all the work: 240 different tests, for each of 3 serialisations ←
16:23:44 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:24:02 <smiles> ... Now need reviewers for test cases
... Now need reviewers for test cases ←
16:24:26 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:24:30 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:24:52 <smiles> pgroth: Can I do it while I implement?
Paul Groth: Can I do it while I implement? ←
16:25:40 <smiles> Luc: That's fine, though ideally you should not come back on 31 Jan with problem
Luc Moreau: That's fine, though ideally you should not come back on 31 Jan with problem ←
16:26:15 <smiles> ... will also ask James C to review
... will also ask James C to review ←
16:26:24 <Luc> action jcheney to review the test cases
Luc Moreau: action jcheney to review the test cases ←
16:26:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-154 - Review the test cases [on James Cheney - due 2012-12-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-154 - Review the test cases [on James Cheney - due 2012-12-13]. ←
16:26:32 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:26:43 <jun> I am in a similar position as Paul
Jun Zhao: I am in a similar position as Paul ←
16:26:57 <jun> I will review them while implementing them
Jun Zhao: I will review them while implementing them ←
16:26:59 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
16:27:02 <pgroth> yes
Paul Groth: yes ←
16:27:18 <Luc> action paolo to review the test cases
Luc Moreau: action paolo to review the test cases ←
16:27:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-155 - Review the test cases [on Paolo Missier - due 2012-12-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-155 - Review the test cases [on Paolo Missier - due 2012-12-13]. ←
16:27:25 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:27:39 <tlebo> interested, but not willing to commit :-)
Timothy Lebo: interested, but not willing to commit :-) ←
16:27:54 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:28:05 <smiles> Luc: Anything else regarding implementation?
Luc Moreau: Anything else regarding implementation? ←
16:28:11 <smiles> ivan: We are ready for tomorrow
Ivan Herman: We are ready for tomorrow ←
16:28:59 <smiles> ivan: They will review the call sent to the chairs and links on that page
Ivan Herman: They will review the call sent to the chairs and links on that page ←
16:29:02 <Luc> topic: prov-xml
Summary: Stian made a proposal, using substitution groups, to manage the prov namespace, with multiple schema files. The prov-xml editors are invited to review the proposal and try to converge to a solution (action raised against Stephan).
<luc>Summary: Stian made a proposal, using substitution groups, to manage the prov namespace, with multiple schema files. The prov-xml editors are invited to review the proposal and try to converge to a solution (action raised against Stephan).
16:29:07 <stain> q+
Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+ ←
16:29:16 <pgroth> stain
Paul Groth: stain ←
16:29:36 <stain> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvXMLNamespaces
Stian Soiland-Reyes: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvXMLNamespaces ←
16:29:41 <smiles> stain: Have investigated namespace issue
Stian Soiland-Reyes: Have investigated namespace issue ←
16:30:05 <smiles> ... have looked at how to deal with extensions, include or redefine namespaces
... have looked at how to deal with extensions, include or redefine namespaces ←
16:30:28 <smiles> ... propose use of substitution groups to allow for extensions
... propose use of substitution groups to allow for extensions ←
16:31:04 <smiles> ... namespace overlap issues become clean, as can reuse same namespace and use xsd:includes
... namespace overlap issues become clean, as can reuse same namespace and use xsd:includes ←
16:32:10 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:32:15 <smiles> ... need to say something about how others do extensions, manage adding complex type elements with attributes, etc.
... need to say something about how others do extensions, manage adding complex type elements with attributes, etc. ←
16:32:15 <Luc> ack stain
Luc Moreau: ack stain ←
16:32:59 <smiles> Luc: do not have editors on call, so cannot make decisions, but can pass Stian's wiki page to initiate debate
Luc Moreau: do not have editors on call, so cannot make decisions, but can pass Stian's wiki page to initiate debate ←
16:33:00 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:33:26 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:33:33 <Luc> action zednik to review http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvXMLNamespaces and come back with a response
Luc Moreau: action zednik to review http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvXMLNamespaces and come back with a response ←
16:33:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-156 - Review http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvXMLNamespaces and come back with a response [on Stephan Zednik - due 2012-12-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-156 - Review http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvXMLNamespaces and come back with a response [on Stephan Zednik - due 2012-12-13]. ←
16:33:35 <smiles> Luc: Can discuss at next telecon
Luc Moreau: Can discuss at next telecon ←
16:33:37 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:33:56 <smiles> pgroth: Would be good to get this settled so we can get on with improving the namespace page
Paul Groth: Would be good to get this settled so we can get on with improving the namespace page ←
16:34:11 <Luc> ack pg
Luc Moreau: ack pg ←
16:34:12 <stain> q+
Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+ ←
16:34:37 <smiles> stain: Last week Tim raised some concerns about same namespaces in OWL and XML
Stian Soiland-Reyes: Last week Tim raised some concerns about same namespaces in OWL and XML ←
16:34:52 <Luc> ack st
Luc Moreau: ack st ←
16:35:09 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:35:17 <smiles> tlebo: Haven't yet considered, will do for next week
Timothy Lebo: Haven't yet considered, will do for next week ←
16:35:46 <smiles> Luc: Thanks Stian for work, we will now digest
Luc Moreau: Thanks Stian for work, we will now digest ←
16:35:50 <stain> .. specially if we need to leave hooks in the core.xsd
Stian Soiland-Reyes: .. specially if we need to leave hooks in the core.xsd ←
16:36:12 <smiles> ... Request that current set of issues on XML should be addressed by next release: early February
... Request that current set of issues on XML should be addressed by next release: early February ←
16:36:16 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:36:17 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:36:50 <stain> and are there any overlaps with elements and predicates?
Stian Soiland-Reyes: and are there any overlaps with elements and predicates? ←
16:36:52 <Luc> ack iv
Luc Moreau: ack iv ←
16:36:53 <smiles> ivan: Just checked: OWL 2 has an XML serialisation and uses same namespace as the RDF ontology
Ivan Herman: Just checked: OWL 2 has an XML serialisation and uses same namespace as the RDF ontology ←
16:37:08 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:37:13 <tlebo> Thanks, @ivan
Timothy Lebo: Thanks, @ivan ←
16:37:19 <Luc> topic:prov-aq
Summary: Extensive editorial changes have taken place during the last week. There are a few issues that need discussion/decision by the group. Graham will initiate discussion by email.
<luc>Summary: Extensive editorial changes have taken place during the last week. There are a few issues that need discussion/decision by the group. Graham will initiate discussion by email.
16:38:02 <smiles> GK: <alien sounds>
Graham Klyne: <alien sounds> ←
16:38:14 <GK> Ity seedms my outgoping audiop is poor
Graham Klyne: Ity seedms my outgoping audiop is poor ←
16:38:25 <GK> I'm on an ADSL line, so maybe bandwidth starved
Graham Klyne: I'm on an ADSL line, so maybe bandwidth starved ←
16:38:35 <Luc> ... alien text too ;-)
Luc Moreau: ... alien text too ;-) ←
16:38:47 <pgroth> I can do it
Paul Groth: I can do it ←
16:38:54 <pgroth> and correct me if I'm wrong
Paul Groth: and correct me if I'm wrong ←
16:38:57 <GK> I have some notes I can paste in:\
Graham Klyne: I have some notes I can paste in:\ ←
16:39:05 <GK> PROV-AQ - draft at: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/paq/prov-aq.html
Graham Klyne: PROV-AQ - draft at: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/paq/prov-aq.html ←
16:39:05 <GK>
16:39:05 <GK> Has been updated:
Graham Klyne: Has been updated: ←
16:39:05 <GK> Change 'provenance information' to 'provenance description' (ISSUE 601); extensive editorial changes should be reviewed
Graham Klyne: Change 'provenance information' to 'provenance description' (ISSUE-601); extensive editorial changes should be reviewed ←
16:39:05 <GK> Add note about service description and LDP consideration thereof
Graham Klyne: Add note about service description and LDP consideration thereof ←
16:39:05 <GK> Add non-commital paragraph about accessing provenance bundles
Graham Klyne: Add non-commital paragraph about accessing provenance bundles ←
16:39:05 <GK> Update forward provenance (pingback) in response to comments; fix text around VoID example
Graham Klyne: Update forward provenance (pingback) in response to comments; fix text around VoID example ←
16:39:06 <GK> Added specification for pingback link header (ISSUE 600)
Graham Klyne: Added specification for pingback link header (ISSUE-600) ←
16:39:06 <GK> Expanded discussion of provenance service discovery to include prov:hasProvenanceService
Graham Klyne: Expanded discussion of provenance service discovery to include prov:hasProvenanceService ←
16:39:06 <GK> Remove speculative non-specification text to be covered in FAQ (ISSUES 426, 598)
Graham Klyne: Remove speculative non-specification text to be covered in FAQ (ISSUES 426, 598) ←
16:39:07 <GK> Added section with table of URIs and what they dereference to (ISSUE 424)
Graham Klyne: Added section with table of URIs and what they dereference to (ISSUE-424) ←
16:39:07 <GK> Make treatment of direct retrieval and service for provenance access more equally visible (ISSUE 422)
Graham Klyne: Make treatment of direct retrieval and service for provenance access more equally visible (ISSUE-422) ←
16:39:07 <GK> Point out that provenance services can accept paraneters other than just 'target' (ISSUE 420)
Graham Klyne: Point out that provenance services can accept paraneters other than just 'target' (ISSUE-420) ←
16:39:08 <GK> Added definitions for accessung and locating (ISSUE 417)
Graham Klyne: Added definitions for accessung and locating (ISSUE-417) ←
16:39:08 <GK> Added section on Link: headers and content negotiation (ISSUE 416)
Graham Klyne: Added section on Link: headers and content negotiation (ISSUE-416) ←
16:39:08 <GK> Added icon to distibguish external links (ISSUE 400)
Graham Klyne: Added icon to distibguish external links (ISSUE-400) ←
16:39:09 <GK> Updsate and cross-link table of prov: URIs defined
Graham Klyne: Updsate and cross-link table of prov: URIs defined ←
16:39:09 <GK> Changed link relations to URIs; removed IANA considerations section
Graham Klyne: Changed link relations to URIs; removed IANA considerations section ←
16:39:09 <GK> Hyperlink concept definitions to themselves (per request from Tim 2012-06-05)
Graham Klyne: Hyperlink concept definitions to themselves (per request from Tim 2012-06-05) ←
16:39:09 <GK> Update security considerations with note about use of provenance as part of audit/enforcement mechanism
Graham Klyne: Update security considerations with note about use of provenance as part of audit/enforcement mechanism ←
16:39:09 <GK> Update list of PROV documents, copied from PROV-DM
Graham Klyne: Update list of PROV documents, copied from PROV-DM ←
16:39:09 <GK> Cut back on verbiage in sect 3,4 rbitrary data
Graham Klyne: Cut back on verbiage in sect 3,4 rbitrary data ←
16:39:10 <GK> Revised section 3 descriptions in terms of prodcuers and consumers
Graham Klyne: Revised section 3 descriptions in terms of prodcuers and consumers ←
16:39:10 <GK> Updated security considerations to mention audit
Graham Klyne: Updated security considerations to mention audit ←
16:39:10 <GK> Add TODO for producer/consumer roles, add note about multiple links, add reference to RFC3986 for %-escaping
Graham Klyne: Add TODO for producer/consumer roles, add note about multiple links, add reference to RFC3986 for %-escaping ←
16:39:11 <GK> Update security considerations, note about non-RDF service desription, PROV-O link, acknowledgements
Graham Klyne: Update security considerations, note about non-RDF service desription, PROV-O link, acknowledgements ←
16:39:17 <GK> The aboce is from the HG log
Graham Klyne: The aboce is from the HG log ←
16:39:22 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy? ←
16:39:34 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (47%), ivan (61%), Luc (9%), GK (97%)
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (47%), ivan (61%), Luc (9%), GK (97%) ←
16:39:36 <MacTed> Zakim, mute gk
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute gk ←
16:39:36 <Zakim> GK should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: GK should now be muted ←
16:39:50 <stain> intergalactic issue
Stian Soiland-Reyes: intergalactic issue ←
16:39:54 <GK> So where we are:
Graham Klyne: So where we are: ←
16:39:55 <GK> - Most issues have been addressed, pending review
Graham Klyne: - Most issues have been addressed, pending review ←
16:39:56 <smiles> pgroth: Gone through all the issues, and GK has been addressing them (see changes above)
Paul Groth: Gone through all the issues, and GK has been addressing them (see changes above) ←
16:39:56 <GK> - http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/5
Graham Klyne: - http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/5 ←
16:39:56 <GK> - Have review comments from Jun to fold in
Graham Klyne: - Have review comments from Jun to fold in ←
16:39:56 <GK> - update of OWL document [fragment] is still to do.
Graham Klyne: - update of OWL document [fragment] is still to do. ←
16:39:56 <GK> - still need to review for use of RFC2119 language (even though non-REC, is still a spec)
Graham Klyne: - still need to review for use of RFC2119 language (even though non-REC, is still a spec) ←
16:39:56 <GK>
16:40:14 <smiles> pgroth: Still more to do, but should be done by next week (GK?)
Paul Groth: Still more to do, but should be done by next week (GK?) ←
16:40:18 <GK> Most;y, buy some outstandinmg issues
Graham Klyne: Most;y, buy some outstandinmg issues ←
16:40:28 <GK> Recent issues:
Graham Klyne: Recent issues: ←
16:40:28 <GK> - SPARQL endpoint discovery
Graham Klyne: - SPARQL endpoint discovery ←
16:40:28 <GK> - raised issue with LDP about service description format (http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/425). I p[ropose to stiock for now with RDF, as that avoids defining yet another data format, and maybe update later to follow LDP recommendations
Graham Klyne: - raised issue with LDP about service description format (http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/425). I p[ropose to stiock for now with RDF, as that avoids defining yet another data format, and maybe update later to follow LDP recommendations ←
16:40:28 <GK> -- issue of RDF having multiple MIME types (cf. email from Eric Wilde aka @dret)
Graham Klyne: -- issue of RDF having multiple MIME types (cf. email from Eric Wilde aka @dret) ←
16:40:44 <smiles> pgroth: After that, need to read over
Paul Groth: After that, need to read over ←
16:41:14 <smiles> Luc: Group will not see doc before Christmas?
Luc Moreau: Group will not see doc before Christmas? ←
16:41:23 <GK> I think there are issues that can be revioewed; e.g. forward provenance
Graham Klyne: I think there are issues that can be revioewed; e.g. forward provenance ←
16:41:30 <smiles> pgroth: Yes, there seems no point in doing so, as will not be able to give proper attention
Paul Groth: Yes, there seems no point in doing so, as will not be able to give proper attention ←
16:41:51 <GK> There';s some discussion about how to handle SPARQL endpoint discovery
Graham Klyne: There';s some discussion about how to handle SPARQL endpoint discovery ←
16:41:52 <pgroth> yeah, first - second week of january
Paul Groth: yeah, first - second week of january ←
16:41:59 <smiles> Luc: Early Jan, should have internal review of document
Luc Moreau: Early Jan, should have internal review of document ←
16:42:06 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:42:12 <GK> q+ to say there are a couple of specific issues to discuss
Graham Klyne: q+ to say there are a couple of specific issues to discuss ←
16:42:21 <pgroth> will this work...
Paul Groth: will this work... ←
16:42:26 <Luc> ack gk
Luc Moreau: ack gk ←
16:42:27 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to say there are a couple of specific issues to discuss
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to say there are a couple of specific issues to discuss ←
16:42:35 <pgroth> no
Paul Groth: no ←
16:42:43 <GK> I'
Graham Klyne: I' ←
16:42:45 <stain> it was good as you said "hang on"
Stian Soiland-Reyes: it was good as you said "hang on" ←
16:42:54 <stain> perhaps GK really IS in a different galaxy..!
Stian Soiland-Reyes: perhaps GK really IS in a different galaxy..! ←
16:42:56 <GK> 1. SP{ARQL endpoint discovery - I propose a new link relation
Graham Klyne: 1. SP{ARQL endpoint discovery - I propose a new link relation ←
16:43:07 <GK> 2. service descrtiption format
Graham Klyne: 2. service descrtiption format ←
16:43:20 <GK> 3. pingback; aka "forward provenance"
Graham Klyne: 3. pingback; aka "forward provenance" ←
16:43:32 <GK> These are issuyes where there are substantial changes/new material
Graham Klyne: These are issuyes where there are substantial changes/new material ←
16:43:36 <pgroth> sounds good
Paul Groth: sounds good ←
16:43:45 <smiles> Luc: Use mailing list to point out issues to discuss (as GK lists above)
Luc Moreau: Use mailing list to point out issues to discuss (as GK lists above) ←
16:43:49 <pgroth> perfect
Paul Groth: perfect ←
16:43:54 <GK> Acxk. Siounds good.
Graham Klyne: Acxk. Siounds good. ←
16:44:09 <GK> Ack.
Graham Klyne: Ack. ←
16:44:12 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:44:18 <Luc> topic: prov-sem
Summary: James had produced an update on progress ahead of the meeting. Ivan will approach the math-ml contact to see if there are any tools that may help in converting the document to note format. Tom offered to check whether rules had been properly encoded.
<luc>Summary: James had produced an update on progress ahead of the meeting. Ivan will approach the math-ml contact to see if there are any tools that may help in converting the document to note format. Tom offered to check whether rules had been properly encoded.
16:44:19 <pgroth> thanks graham
Paul Groth: thanks graham ←
16:44:21 <pgroth> !
Paul Groth: ! ←
16:44:27 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Dec/0022.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Dec/0022.html ←
16:44:52 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/FormalSemanticsED
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/FormalSemanticsED ←
16:45:02 <smiles> Luc: Had apologies from James, but sent brief update: has been converting the rules into LaTeX/HTML
Luc Moreau: Had apologies from James, but sent brief update: has been converting the rules into LaTeX/HTML ←
16:45:55 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:45:57 <smiles> ... He asks for (1) people to go through document and check for typos in converting rules, (2) people to help convert into W3C Note style
... He asks for (1) people to go through document and check for typos in converting rules, (2) people to help convert into W3C Note style ←
16:46:51 <smiles> ivan: Could contact staff contact in MathML group, as they may have experience in publishing formal notation/maths
Ivan Herman: Could contact staff contact in MathML group, as they may have experience in publishing formal notation/maths ←
16:47:05 <smiles> ... Can forward James' mail
... Can forward James' mail ←
16:47:41 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:48:00 <smiles> Luc: Anyone else willing to go through the document? Tom?
Luc Moreau: Anyone else willing to go through the document? Tom? ←
16:48:09 <TomDN> yes
Tom De Nies: yes ←
16:48:11 <Luc> tom?
Luc Moreau: tom? ←
16:48:21 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:48:39 <GK> I'll look if I have time
Graham Klyne: I'll look if I have time ←
16:48:48 <smiles> pgroth: Is it at a state where we would want to show it to others?
Paul Groth: Is it at a state where we would want to show it to others? ←
16:48:52 <smiles> Luc: No I don't think so
Luc Moreau: No I don't think so ←
16:48:56 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:49:10 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:49:13 <TomDN> I can take a look at it as reviewer, but cannot actively help with writing
Tom De Nies: I can take a look at it as reviewer, but cannot actively help with writing ←
16:49:19 <Luc> topic: prov-dictionary
Summary: Sam and Tom are aiming to produce a version of prov-dictionary by the next telco, ready for an internal review. The aim is to synchronize a FPWD release with proposed recommendations.
<luc>Summary: Sam and Tom are aiming to produce a version of prov-dictionary by the next telco, ready for an internal review. The aim is to synchronize a FPWD release with proposed recommendations.
16:49:19 <smiles> Luc: Not formal review yet, see James' mail for what to check
Luc Moreau: Not formal review yet, see James' mail for what to check ←
16:49:24 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, unmute me ←
16:49:24 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted ←
16:49:52 <pgroth> is that too late?
Paul Groth: is that too late? ←
16:49:54 <smiles> TomDN: Schedule will be as said last week, next version out by next Thursday for internal review
Tom De Nies: Schedule will be as said last week, next version out by next Thursday for internal review ←
16:50:20 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:50:23 <smiles> Luc: Timing fine for FPWD with proposed recommendations
Luc Moreau: Timing fine for FPWD with proposed recommendations ←
16:50:40 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:50:44 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me ←
16:50:44 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
16:50:52 <smiles> Luc: AOB?
Luc Moreau: AOB? ←
16:51:00 <tlebo> thanks, bye!
Timothy Lebo: thanks, bye! ←
16:51:02 <smiles> thanks
thanks ←
16:51:03 <TomDN> bye
Tom De Nies: bye ←
16:51:04 <khalidBelhajjame> bye
Khalid Belhajjame: bye ←
16:51:04 <pgroth> sure
Paul Groth: sure ←
16:51:10 <Zakim> -TomDN
Zakim IRC Bot: -TomDN ←
16:51:11 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
16:51:12 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame
Zakim IRC Bot: -khalidBelhajjame ←
16:51:12 <Dong> bye
Trung Huynh: bye ←
16:51:14 <Zakim> -tlebo
Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo ←
16:51:15 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
16:51:15 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo ←
16:51:18 <GK> Yay! +10 mins
Graham Klyne: Yay! +10 mins ←
16:51:18 <jun> bye
16:51:19 <Zakim> -pgroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth ←
16:51:20 <GK> Bye
Graham Klyne: Bye ←
16:51:22 <Zakim> -??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P30 ←
16:51:24 <Zakim> -smiles
Zakim IRC Bot: -smiles ←
16:51:25 <Zakim> -jun
Zakim IRC Bot: -jun ←
16:51:26 <Zakim> -Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc ←
16:51:30 <Zakim> - +44.789.470.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.789.470.aacc ←
16:51:33 <Luc> rrsagent, set log public
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public ←
16:51:40 <Zakim> -GK
Zakim IRC Bot: -GK ←
16:51:42 <Luc> trackbot, end telcon
Luc Moreau: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:51:42 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:51:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, ivan, Luc, smiles, +1.315.941.aabb, tlebo, jun, MacTed, stain, GK, [IPcaller], +44.789.470.aacc, +329331aadd, TomDN,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, ivan, Luc, smiles, +1.315.941.aabb, tlebo, jun, MacTed, stain, GK, [IPcaller], +44.789.470.aacc, +329331aadd, TomDN, ←
16:51:43 <Luc> rrsagent, draft minutes
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:51:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-prov-minutes.html Luc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-prov-minutes.html Luc ←
16:51:45 <Zakim> ... khalidBelhajjame, SamCoppens, Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: ... khalidBelhajjame, SamCoppens, Satya_Sahoo ←
16:51:48 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
16:51:48 <Zakim> ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: ivan is being disconnected ←
16:51:49 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended ←
16:51:49 <Zakim> Attendees were pgroth, ivan, Luc, smiles, +1.315.941.aabb, tlebo, jun, MacTed, stain, GK, [IPcaller], +44.789.470.aacc, +329331aadd, TomDN, khalidBelhajjame, SamCoppens,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were pgroth, ivan, Luc, smiles, +1.315.941.aabb, tlebo, jun, MacTed, stain, GK, [IPcaller], +44.789.470.aacc, +329331aadd, TomDN, khalidBelhajjame, SamCoppens, ←
16:51:49 <Zakim> ... Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Satya_Sahoo ←
16:51:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:51:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-prov-minutes.html trackbot
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16:51:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:51:51 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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