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Soliciting ideas/feedback for speech annotations

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Neil Soiffer (NeilS@dessci.com) • January 30, 2015 • Permalink

MathML makes it possible to generate speech corresponding to the MathML.
But sometimes users/authors have specific needs and want to specify exactly
what should be spoken. This might go beyond specifying a plain text speech
string. The MathML WG has put up some ideas on how this might work on the
MathML WG's wiki: https://www.w3.org/Math/wiki/Speech_Annotations

Anyone can create a login and comment on or edit the page. If you are
interested in this area, please add your ideas and comments to that wiki
page.

Thanks,

Neil Soiffer
Senior Scientist
Design Science, Inc.
www.dessci.com
~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~

CSUN Journal article: Research reveals promising academic results for accessible math eText

Source: Design Science News • Steve Noble • January 29, 2015 • Permalink

Steve Noble, Accessibility Research Consultant (Guest Author)
The CSUN Journal on Technology and Persons with Disabilities has recently published an article I authored entitled Using Mathematics eText in the Classroom: What the Research Tells Us. This article summarizes and compares the findings from two federally-funded multi-year research studies in which middle school students with learning disabilities used accessible math content with MathPlayer in combination with their standard classroom assistive technology. In both studies, students who used content in MathML were shown to increase academic performance in the mathematics classroom.

Both studies compared two groups of students with learning disabilities. One group had access to math materials prepared with MathML, while similar students received typical access in the form of printed materials and human readers.” Much of the MathML content in one study was created with MathType, while in the other study the publisher Pearson Education created the accessible mathematics textbook content themselves. Student participants in both studies used the assistive technology Read&Write Gold by Texthelp, a Design Science Accessibility Partner.  The findings of these studies indicated the value of using MathML in digital content in place of the typical practice of using human readers as found in most schools.

While schools have historically relied on using human readers to provide access to print materials, it is clear this mode of access is far from adequate--especially for algebra and more complex math. Observations done in classroom settings revealed that students with learning disabilities rarely, if ever, request read-aloud accommodations in the math classroom, even when it was written into their Individualized Education Program (IEP). On the other hand, when students have access to mathematics content in a digital format that can reliably work with their assistive technology, they have the independent ability to read and reread math expressions as many times as they need. In my mind, we are simply doing a disservice to the millions of students with disabilities in our nation's schools by not providing them with math content in an accessible format that they can independently use. Let's all work together to fix this problem. Here are a few ideas about how to promote change in your community.

Steve Noble is a research consultant with a core focus in mathematics accessibility and assistive technology, and served as a researcher for the University of Kentucky's MeTRC research project. Currently he continues to serve on grant-funded research projects with both Bridge Multimedia and ETS, and previously served as Director of Accessibility Policy for Design Science.

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Re: [Minutes] 2015-01-26 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Thierry MICHEL (tmichel@w3.org) • January 28, 2015 • Permalink

Yes I noticed and therfore I had added your name this morning in the 
minutes.

thierry

On 28/01/2015 16:17, Julie Morris wrote:
> I was also present.
>
> Thanks,
> Julie
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Shinyu Murakami
> <murakami@vivliostyle.com <mailto:murakami@vivliostyle.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Thierry,
>
>     Thanks for the minutes.
>     I (Shinyu Murakami, Vivliostyle Inc.) was present at 2015-01-26 and
>     2015-01-12 telecons.
>     Could you add me please?
>
>     --
>     Shinyu Murakami (村上 真雄)
>     CEO & Founder, Vivliostyle Inc.
>     http://vivliostyle.com
>     murakami@vivliostyle.com <mailto:murakami@vivliostyle.com>
>
>
>     Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org <mailto:tmichel@w3.org>> wrote on
>     2015/01/27 2:07:44
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > Hi all,
>      >
>      > The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group
>     Teleconference dated 2015-01-26 are now available at
>      >
>      > http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html
>      >
>      > These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
>      > http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
>      >
>      > Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your
>     convenience.
>      >
>      > Best,
>      >
>      > Thierry Michel
>      >
>      > ---------------------------------------------------------
>      >
>      >     [1]W3C
>      >
>      >        [1] http://www.w3.org/
>      >
>      >              Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>      >
>      > 26 Jan 2015
>      >
>      >     See also: [2]IRC log
>      >
>      >        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
>      >
>      > Attendees
>      >
>      >     Present
>      >            Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Markus Gylling (Markus),
>      >            Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),Thierry Michel (tmichel),
>      >            Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Rob
>      >            Sanderson (azaroth), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),  Liam Quin
>      >            (Liam), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Charles LaPierre
>      >            (clapierre), Alan Stearns (Stearns),  Deborah Kaplan
>      >            (dkaplan3), David Stroup, Manuel Rego Casasnovas (rego),
>      >            Peter Linss (plinss) , Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Heather
>      >            Flanagan (HeatherF), mihnea, iank.
>      >
>      >     Regrets
>      >            Phil, Ivan, Luc, Ayla
>      >
>      >     Chair
>      >            Tzviya
>      >
>      >     Scribe
>      >            Markus
>      >
>      > Contents
>      >
>      >       * [3]Topics
>      >           1. [4]approval of minutes from last week
>      >           2. [5]use cases for Houdini
>      >           3. [6]packaging on the web document
>      >       * [7]Summary of Action Items
>      >       __________________________________________________________
>      >
>      >     <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015
>      >
>      >     <HeatherF> Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> agenda
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
>      >
>      >        [1] http://www.w3.org/
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]
>      >
>      >        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
>      >
>      >     <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> minutes
>      >     [8]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
>      >
>      >        [8] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
>      >
>      > approval of minutes from last week
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: minutes are approved
>      >
>      >     <liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!
>      >
>      >     <pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?
>      >
>      >     <murakami> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
>      >
>      >        [9] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
>      >
>      >     <Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
>      >
>      > use cases for Houdini
>      >
>      >     <dauwhe> [10]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>      >
>      >       [10] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these
>      >
>      >     <pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)
>      >
>      >     Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact
>      >     me and mention that we need to have these ready
>      >
>      >     <david_stroup> I'm 585.217
>      >
>      >     … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more
>      >
>      >     … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization
>      >
>      >     … working on pending action items as well
>      >
>      >     … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as
>      >     far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?
>      >
>      >     … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this
>      >     to if you are interested
>      >
>      >     Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor
>      >     is fine
>      >
>      >     <pkra1> +q
>      >
>      >     Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list
>      >
>      >     pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because
>      >     polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG
>      >     may be interested as well
>      >
>      >     … re Houdini
>      >
>      >     Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND
>      >     personalization?
>      >
>      >     <dauwhe> pkra: have you seen
>      >     [11]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any
>      >     ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be
>      >     great.
>      >
>      >       [11] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout?
>      >
>      >     Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding
>      >     anything new
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: we have personalization use cases already… [scrolling]
>      >     …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything
>      >
>      >     … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone
>      >     want to help?
>      >
>      >     Liza: I can do it
>      >
>      >     <astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime
>      >     style modifications, it may open new avenues for
>      >     personalization
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week
>      >
>      >     dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie
>      >     people
>      >
>      >     … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> [12]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>      >
>      >       [12] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>      >
>      >     <murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> [13]http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
>      >
>      >       [13] http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
>      >
>      > packaging on the web document
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging
>      >     for the web document
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative
>      >     to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIME
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it
>      >     would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions
>      >
>      >     <liza> Skinnier jeans?
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected
>      >     because people were interested only in zip
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without
>      >     consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was
>      >     needed
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed
>      >     draft
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is
>      >     important
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now
>      >     is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but
>      >     information beyond content
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not
>      >     the simplest option
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't
>      >     understand packaging
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically
>      >     challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant
>      >     really take off
>      >
>      >     Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is
>      >     being done now and read some background material
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version
>      >     available for background
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> brady: I will send it out
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response
>      >
>      >     <astearns> I'll definitely review
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging
>      >     for Web
>      >
>      >     <scribe> Scribe: Markus
>      >
>      >     Heather: will review i18n documentation
>      >
>      >     <tzviya>
>      >     [14]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
>      >
>      >       [14] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
>      >
>      >     pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please
>      >     take a look so that we rollout next month as planned
>      >
>      >     <pkra1> thx
>      >
>      >     <HeatherF> thanks
>      >
>      > Summary of Action Items
>      >
>      >     [End of minutes]
>      >       __________________________________________________________
>      >
>      >
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> --
>
> *Julie Morris____*
>
> Project Manager: Standards & Best Practices____
>
> Book Industry Study Group | BISG.org <http://www.bisg.org/>____
>
> Tel: 646-336-7141 Ext 14 <tel:646-336-7141%20Ext%2014>____
>
> Email: julie@bisg.org <mailto:julie@bisg.org>
>

Re: [Minutes] 2015-01-26 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Julie Morris (julie@bisg.org) • January 28, 2015 • Permalink

I was also present.

Thanks,
Julie

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Shinyu Murakami <murakami@vivliostyle.com>
wrote:

> Hi Thierry,
>
> Thanks for the minutes.
> I (Shinyu Murakami, Vivliostyle Inc.) was present at 2015-01-26 and
> 2015-01-12 telecons.
> Could you add me please?
>
> --
> Shinyu Murakami (村上 真雄)
> CEO & Founder, Vivliostyle Inc.
> http://vivliostyle.com
> murakami@vivliostyle.com
>
>
> Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote on 2015/01/27 2:07:44
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
> dated 2015-01-26 are now available at
> >
> >      http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html
> >
> > These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
> >      http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
> >
> > Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your
> convenience.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Thierry Michel
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >     [1]W3C
> >
> >        [1] http://www.w3.org/
> >
> >              Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
> >
> > 26 Jan 2015
> >
> >     See also: [2]IRC log
> >
> >        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
> >
> > Attendees
> >
> >     Present
> >            Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Markus Gylling (Markus),
> >            Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),Thierry Michel (tmichel),
> >            Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Rob
> >            Sanderson (azaroth), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),  Liam Quin
> >            (Liam), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Charles LaPierre
> >            (clapierre), Alan Stearns (Stearns),  Deborah Kaplan
> >            (dkaplan3), David Stroup, Manuel Rego Casasnovas (rego),
> >            Peter Linss (plinss) , Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Heather
> >            Flanagan (HeatherF), mihnea, iank.
> >
> >     Regrets
> >            Phil, Ivan, Luc, Ayla
> >
> >     Chair
> >            Tzviya
> >
> >     Scribe
> >            Markus
> >
> > Contents
> >
> >       * [3]Topics
> >           1. [4]approval of minutes from last week
> >           2. [5]use cases for Houdini
> >           3. [6]packaging on the web document
> >       * [7]Summary of Action Items
> >       __________________________________________________________
> >
> >     <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015
> >
> >     <HeatherF> Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!
> >
> >     <tzviya> agenda
> >
> >     <tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
> >
> >        [1] http://www.w3.org/
> >
> >     <tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
> >
> >     <tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]
> >
> >        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
> >
> >     <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
> >
> >     <tzviya> minutes
> >     [8]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
> >
> >        [8] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
> >
> > approval of minutes from last week
> >
> >     Tzviya: minutes are approved
> >
> >     <liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!
> >
> >     <pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?
> >
> >     <murakami> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
> >
> >        [9] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
> >
> >     <Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today
> >
> >     <tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
> >
> > use cases for Houdini
> >
> >     <dauwhe> [10]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> >
> >       [10] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> >
> >     Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these
> >
> >     <pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)
> >
> >     Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact
> >     me and mention that we need to have these ready
> >
> >     <david_stroup> I'm 585.217
> >
> >     … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more
> >
> >     … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization
> >
> >     … working on pending action items as well
> >
> >     … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as
> >     far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?
> >
> >     … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG
> >
> >     Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this
> >     to if you are interested
> >
> >     Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor
> >     is fine
> >
> >     <pkra1> +q
> >
> >     Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list
> >
> >     pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because
> >     polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG
> >     may be interested as well
> >
> >     … re Houdini
> >
> >     Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base
> >
> >     Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND
> >     personalization?
> >
> >     <dauwhe> pkra: have you seen
> >     [11]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any
> >     ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be
> >     great.
> >
> >       [11] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout?
> >
> >     Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding
> >     anything new
> >
> >     Tzviya: we have personalization use cases already… [scrolling]
> >     …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything
> >
> >     … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone
> >     want to help?
> >
> >     Liza: I can do it
> >
> >     <astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime
> >     style modifications, it may open new avenues for
> >     personalization
> >
> >     Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week
> >
> >     dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie
> >     people
> >
> >     … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom
> >
> >     <tzviya> [12]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> >
> >       [12] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> >
> >     <murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.
> >
> >     <tzviya> [13]http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
> >
> >       [13] http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
> >
> > packaging on the web document
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging
> >     for the web document
> >
> >     <tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative
> >     to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIME
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it
> >     would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions
> >
> >     <liza> Skinnier jeans?
> >
> >     <tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected
> >     because people were interested only in zip
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without
> >     consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was
> >     needed
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed
> >     draft
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is
> >     important
> >
> >     <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now
> >     is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but
> >     information beyond content
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not
> >     the simplest option
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available
> >
> >     <tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't
> >     understand packaging
> >
> >     Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically
> >     challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant
> >     really take off
> >
> >     Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background
> >
> >     <tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is
> >     being done now and read some background material
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version
> >     available for background
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind
> >
> >     <tzviya> brady: I will send it out
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response
> >
> >     <astearns> I'll definitely review
> >
> >     <tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging
> >     for Web
> >
> >     <scribe> Scribe: Markus
> >
> >     Heather: will review i18n documentation
> >
> >     <tzviya>
> >     [14]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
> >
> >       [14] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
> >
> >     pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please
> >     take a look so that we rollout next month as planned
> >
> >     <pkra1> thx
> >
> >     <HeatherF> thanks
> >
> > Summary of Action Items
> >
> >     [End of minutes]
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Re: [Minutes] 2015-01-26 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Thierry MICHEL (tmichel@w3.org) • January 28, 2015 • Permalink

Done.
http://www.w3.org/2014/11/10-dpub-minutes.html

Thierry

On 28/01/2015 03:41, Shinyu Murakami wrote:
> Hi Thierry,
>
> Thanks for the minutes.
> I (Shinyu Murakami, Vivliostyle Inc.) was present at 2015-01-26 and 2015-01-12 telecons.
> Could you add me please?
>
> --
> Shinyu Murakami (村上 真雄)
> CEO & Founder, Vivliostyle Inc.
> http://vivliostyle.com
> murakami@vivliostyle.com
>
>
> Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote on 2015/01/27 2:07:44
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference dated 2015-01-26 are now available at
>>
>>       http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html
>>
>> These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
>>       http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
>>
>> Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Thierry Michel
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>      [1]W3C
>>
>>         [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>
>>               Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>>
>> 26 Jan 2015
>>
>>      See also: [2]IRC log
>>
>>         [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
>>
>> Attendees
>>
>>      Present
>>             Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Markus Gylling (Markus),
>>             Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),Thierry Michel (tmichel),
>>             Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Rob
>>             Sanderson (azaroth), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),  Liam Quin
>>             (Liam), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Charles LaPierre
>>             (clapierre), Alan Stearns (Stearns),  Deborah Kaplan
>>             (dkaplan3), David Stroup, Manuel Rego Casasnovas (rego),
>>             Peter Linss (plinss) , Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Heather
>>             Flanagan (HeatherF), mihnea, iank.
>>
>>      Regrets
>>             Phil, Ivan, Luc, Ayla
>>
>>      Chair
>>             Tzviya
>>
>>      Scribe
>>             Markus
>>
>> Contents
>>
>>        * [3]Topics
>>            1. [4]approval of minutes from last week
>>            2. [5]use cases for Houdini
>>            3. [6]packaging on the web document
>>        * [7]Summary of Action Items
>>        __________________________________________________________
>>
>>      <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015
>>
>>      <HeatherF> Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!
>>
>>      <tzviya> agenda
>>
>>      <tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
>>
>>         [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>
>>      <tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
>>
>>      <tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]
>>
>>         [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
>>
>>      <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
>>
>>      <tzviya> minutes
>>      [8]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
>>
>>         [8] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
>>
>> approval of minutes from last week
>>
>>      Tzviya: minutes are approved
>>
>>      <liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!
>>
>>      <pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?
>>
>>      <murakami> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
>>
>>         [9] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
>>
>>      <Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today
>>
>>      <tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
>>
>> use cases for Houdini
>>
>>      <dauwhe> [10]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>>
>>        [10] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>>
>>      Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these
>>
>>      <pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)
>>
>>      Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact
>>      me and mention that we need to have these ready
>>
>>      <david_stroup> I'm 585.217
>>
>>      … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more
>>
>>      … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization
>>
>>      … working on pending action items as well
>>
>>      … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as
>>      far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?
>>
>>      … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG
>>
>>      Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this
>>      to if you are interested
>>
>>      Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor
>>      is fine
>>
>>      <pkra1> +q
>>
>>      Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list
>>
>>      pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because
>>      polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG
>>      may be interested as well
>>
>>      … re Houdini
>>
>>      Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base
>>
>>      Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND
>>      personalization?
>>
>>      <dauwhe> pkra: have you seen
>>      [11]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any
>>      ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be
>>      great.
>>
>>        [11] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout?
>>
>>      Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding
>>      anything new
>>
>>      Tzviya: we have personalization use cases already… [scrolling]
>>      …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything
>>
>>      … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone
>>      want to help?
>>
>>      Liza: I can do it
>>
>>      <astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime
>>      style modifications, it may open new avenues for
>>      personalization
>>
>>      Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week
>>
>>      dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie
>>      people
>>
>>      … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom
>>
>>      <tzviya> [12]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>>
>>        [12] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>>
>>      <murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.
>>
>>      <tzviya> [13]http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
>>
>>        [13] http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
>>
>> packaging on the web document
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging
>>      for the web document
>>
>>      <tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative
>>      to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIME
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it
>>      would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions
>>
>>      <liza> Skinnier jeans?
>>
>>      <tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected
>>      because people were interested only in zip
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without
>>      consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was
>>      needed
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed
>>      draft
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is
>>      important
>>
>>      <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now
>>      is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but
>>      information beyond content
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not
>>      the simplest option
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available
>>
>>      <tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't
>>      understand packaging
>>
>>      Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically
>>      challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant
>>      really take off
>>
>>      Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background
>>
>>      <tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is
>>      being done now and read some background material
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version
>>      available for background
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind
>>
>>      <tzviya> brady: I will send it out
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response
>>
>>      <astearns> I'll definitely review
>>
>>      <tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging
>>      for Web
>>
>>      <scribe> Scribe: Markus
>>
>>      Heather: will review i18n documentation
>>
>>      <tzviya>
>>      [14]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
>>
>>        [14] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
>>
>>      pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please
>>      take a look so that we rollout next month as planned
>>
>>      <pkra1> thx
>>
>>      <HeatherF> thanks
>>
>> Summary of Action Items
>>
>>      [End of minutes]
>>        __________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>       Minutes formatted by David Booth's [15]scribe.perl version
>>       1.140 ([16]CVS log)
>>       $Date: 2015-01-30 23:01:40 $
>>        __________________________________________________________
>>
>>        [15] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
>>        [16] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> Regrets: Phil Deborah Ivan Luc
>>
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>> You should specify the meeting chair like this:
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>>
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>> Guessing minutes URL: [18]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html
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Re: [Minutes] 2015-01-26 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Shinyu Murakami (murakami@vivliostyle.com) • January 28, 2015 • Permalink

Hi Thierry,

Thanks for the minutes.
I (Shinyu Murakami, Vivliostyle Inc.) was present at 2015-01-26 and 2015-01-12 telecons.
Could you add me please? 

--
Shinyu Murakami (村上 真雄)
CEO & Founder, Vivliostyle Inc.
http://vivliostyle.com
murakami@vivliostyle.com


Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote on 2015/01/27 2:07:44
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference dated 2015-01-26 are now available at
> 
>      http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html
> 
> These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
>      http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
> 
> Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Thierry Michel
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> 
>     [1]W3C
> 
>        [1] http://www.w3.org/
> 
>              Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
> 
> 26 Jan 2015
> 
>     See also: [2]IRC log
> 
>        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
> 
> Attendees
> 
>     Present
>            Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Markus Gylling (Markus),
>            Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),Thierry Michel (tmichel),
>            Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Rob
>            Sanderson (azaroth), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),  Liam Quin
>            (Liam), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Charles LaPierre
>            (clapierre), Alan Stearns (Stearns),  Deborah Kaplan
>            (dkaplan3), David Stroup, Manuel Rego Casasnovas (rego),
>            Peter Linss (plinss) , Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Heather
>            Flanagan (HeatherF), mihnea, iank.
> 
>     Regrets
>            Phil, Ivan, Luc, Ayla
> 
>     Chair
>            Tzviya
> 
>     Scribe
>            Markus
> 
> Contents
> 
>       * [3]Topics
>           1. [4]approval of minutes from last week
>           2. [5]use cases for Houdini
>           3. [6]packaging on the web document
>       * [7]Summary of Action Items
>       __________________________________________________________
> 
>     <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015
> 
>     <HeatherF> Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!
> 
>     <tzviya> agenda
> 
>     <tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
> 
>        [1] http://www.w3.org/
> 
>     <tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
> 
>     <tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]
> 
>        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
> 
>     <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
> 
>     <tzviya> minutes
>     [8]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
> 
>        [8] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
> 
> approval of minutes from last week
> 
>     Tzviya: minutes are approved
> 
>     <liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!
> 
>     <pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?
> 
>     <murakami> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
> 
>        [9] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
> 
>     <Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today
> 
>     <tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
> 
> use cases for Houdini
> 
>     <dauwhe> [10]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> 
>       [10] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> 
>     Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these
> 
>     <pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)
> 
>     Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact
>     me and mention that we need to have these ready
> 
>     <david_stroup> I'm 585.217
> 
>     … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more
> 
>     … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization
> 
>     … working on pending action items as well
> 
>     … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as
>     far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?
> 
>     … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG
> 
>     Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this
>     to if you are interested
> 
>     Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor
>     is fine
> 
>     <pkra1> +q
> 
>     Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list
> 
>     pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because
>     polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG
>     may be interested as well
> 
>     … re Houdini
> 
>     Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base
> 
>     Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND
>     personalization?
> 
>     <dauwhe> pkra: have you seen
>     [11]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any
>     ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be
>     great.
> 
>       [11] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout?
> 
>     Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding
>     anything new
> 
>     Tzviya: we have personalization use cases already… [scrolling]
>     …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything
> 
>     … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone
>     want to help?
> 
>     Liza: I can do it
> 
>     <astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime
>     style modifications, it may open new avenues for
>     personalization
> 
>     Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week
> 
>     dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie
>     people
> 
>     … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom
> 
>     <tzviya> [12]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> 
>       [12] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> 
>     <murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.
> 
>     <tzviya> [13]http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
> 
>       [13] http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
> 
> packaging on the web document
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging
>     for the web document
> 
>     <tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative
>     to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIME
> 
>     <tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it
>     would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions
> 
>     <liza> Skinnier jeans?
> 
>     <tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected
>     because people were interested only in zip
> 
>     <tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without
>     consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was
>     needed
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed
>     draft
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is
>     important
> 
>     <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now
>     is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but
>     information beyond content
> 
>     <tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...
> 
>     <tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not
>     the simplest option
> 
>     <tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available
> 
>     <tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't
>     understand packaging
> 
>     Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically
>     challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant
>     really take off
> 
>     Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background
> 
>     <tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is
>     being done now and read some background material
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version
>     available for background
> 
>     <tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind
> 
>     <tzviya> brady: I will send it out
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response
> 
>     <astearns> I'll definitely review
> 
>     <tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging
>     for Web
> 
>     <scribe> Scribe: Markus
> 
>     Heather: will review i18n documentation
> 
>     <tzviya>
>     [14]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
> 
>       [14] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
> 
>     pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please
>     take a look so that we rollout next month as planned
> 
>     <pkra1> thx
> 
>     <HeatherF> thanks
> 
> Summary of Action Items
> 
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[Minutes] 2015-01-26 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Thierry MICHEL (tmichel@w3.org) • January 26, 2015 • Permalink




Hi all,

The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference 
dated 2015-01-26 are now available at

     http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html

These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
     http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings

Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.

Best,

Thierry Michel

---------------------------------------------------------

    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

             Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

26 Jan 2015

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Markus Gylling (Markus),
           Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),Thierry Michel (tmichel),
           Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Rob
           Sanderson (azaroth), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),  Liam Quin
           (Liam), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Charles LaPierre
           (clapierre), Alan Stearns (Stearns),  Deborah Kaplan
           (dkaplan3), David Stroup, Manuel Rego Casasnovas (rego),
           Peter Linss (plinss) , Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Heather
           Flanagan (HeatherF), mihnea, iank.

    Regrets
           Phil, Ivan, Luc, Ayla

    Chair
           Tzviya

    Scribe
           Markus

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]approval of minutes from last week
          2. [5]use cases for Houdini
          3. [6]packaging on the web document
      * [7]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

    <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015

    <HeatherF> Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!

    <tzviya> agenda

    <tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

    <tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)

    <tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc

    <mgylling> scribe: mgylling

    <tzviya> minutes
    [8]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html

       [8] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html

approval of minutes from last week

    Tzviya: minutes are approved

    <liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!

    <pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?

    <murakami> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html

       [9] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html

    <Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today

    <tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)

use cases for Houdini

    <dauwhe> [10]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout

      [10] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout

    Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these

    <pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)

    Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact
    me and mention that we need to have these ready

    <david_stroup> I'm 585.217

    … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more

    … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization

    … working on pending action items as well

    … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as
    far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?

    … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG

    Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this
    to if you are interested

    Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor
    is fine

    <pkra1> +q

    Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list

    pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because
    polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG
    may be interested as well

    … re Houdini

    Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base

    Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND
    personalization?

    <dauwhe> pkra: have you seen
    [11]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any
    ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be
    great.

      [11] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout?

    Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding
    anything new

    Tzviya: we have personalization use cases already… [scrolling]
    …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything

    … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone
    want to help?

    Liza: I can do it

    <astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime
    style modifications, it may open new avenues for
    personalization

    Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week

    dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie
    people

    … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom

    <tzviya> [12]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout

      [12] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout

    <murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.

    <tzviya> [13]http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/

      [13] http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/

packaging on the web document

    <tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging
    for the web document

    <tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative
    to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIME

    <tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it
    would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions

    <liza> Skinnier jeans?

    <tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected
    because people were interested only in zip

    <tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without
    consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was
    needed

    <tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed
    draft

    <tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is
    important

    <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now
    is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but
    information beyond content

    <tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...

    <tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not
    the simplest option

    <tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available

    <tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't
    understand packaging

    Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically
    challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant
    really take off

    Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background

    <tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is
    being done now and read some background material

    <tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version
    available for background

    <tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind

    <tzviya> brady: I will send it out

    <tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response

    <astearns> I'll definitely review

    <tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan

    <tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging
    for Web

    <scribe> Scribe: Markus

    Heather: will review i18n documentation

    <tzviya>
    [14]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/

      [14] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/

    pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please
    take a look so that we rollout next month as planned

    <pkra1> thx

    <HeatherF> thanks

Summary of Action Items

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Re: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • January 19, 2015 • Permalink

Hi everyone,

I've updated the survey using the comments so far. The link is still
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/

I think we're ready to send this to the guinea pigs.

Best wishes,
Peter.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>
wrote:

>  Looks good. And yes, I'm quite sure we decided to split Q4. Thanks for
> the opportunity to review your notes!
>
> --Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* Peter Krautzberger [mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 09, 2015 2:25 PM
> *To:* Bill Kasdorf
> *Cc:* Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken; Ivan Herman; W3C Digital Publishing IG
>
> *Subject:* Re: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> Notes from todays TF call below.
>
>
>
> @Bill @Tim I'm not actually sure whether we'd decided to split Q4. It
> seemed that way when cleaning up my notes.
>
>
>
> Thanks again to everyone for their comments!
>
>
>
> Have a good weekend,
>
> Peter.
>
>
>
> * feedback  from IG was good -- thanks everyone!
>
> * Tim: long but it's good
>
>   * Bill: +1
>
> * re Ivan: humanities and social science not explicitly included
>
>   * b/c aligned with common interpretations of "STEM"
>
> * Tim: 30 questions would be better but couldn't find anything worth
> cutting.
>
>
>
> [[going through survey]]
>
> * intro
>
>   * Tim: identify sections
>
>   * me: add note in intro & on every multi-choice that it's desired.
>
> * Tim: q3 before q2?
>
>     * => agreed
>
> * 3 subject areas:
>
>   * add: STEM Education
>
>   * add: Computer Science  (h/t Ivan)
>
>   * add: Other (Library Science, Social Science, humanity) (Please add
> comment!)
>
> * 4 => split
>
>   * "audience" instead of "target audience" (what are you part of / do you
> target)
>
>     * add list of audiences -- h/t Tzviya!
>
>   * "platform do you use / or target to publish
>
>     * print
>
>     * tablet
>
>     * desktop
>
>     * ebooks
>
> * 7 => split
>
>   * on the web => on the web and/or web-based platforms [check what Qs can
> use this change]
>
>   * split:
>
>     * do you publish
>
>     * where is that technology at for you?
>
> * 9 -- add parenthetical examples
>
>   * Tim: had different understanding: is it just linking?
>
>      * no: primarily modification/extension/etc.
>
>   * agreement that that focus is ok
>
>   * add parenthetical examples
>
> * 13
>
>   * me: add tables (often turned into images)
>
>   * Tim: add webCSV
>
>   * SVG
>
>   * make larger list
>
>      * link to / use 5
>
> * 15
>
>   * add examples: massive collaboration (zooniverse, LHC, polymath)
>
> * 16:
>
>   * turn "None" to "Does not apply / unable (leave a comment!)"
>
> * 17
>
>   * "Add comment" =>  "Please add a comment on tools you use"
>
> * 18:
>
>   * add "office documents" (word processing, spreadhseet documents)
>
>   * add: web platforms (wiki, blogs, source repositories (GItHub,
> BitBucket), specialized repositories (Zenodo, Figshare))
>
> * 21
>
>   * <br> if not why not? Which disadv...
>
> * 23
>
>   * What web and web-related standards ...
>
>   * First item: W3C standards (HTML, CSS, SVG, MathML etc)
>
>   * [peter while making minutes: stress call for adding comments]
>
> * 27. Clarify to something like:
>
>   * Why do you not author in format/tech that you want to read?
>
>   * Why do you not consume in the format people author?
>
> * 32
>
>   * rephrase to something like "What is the state of the art in a11y in
> your subject area?"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>
> wrote:
>
> The most generic terms are primary ("elementary school" in the US),
> secondary ("high school" in the US), and tertiary ("college" in the US,
> usually meaning both undergraduate and graduate study.
>
> BTW Ivan did you notice that Peter moved the meeting an hour earlier? You
> said that worked for you.
>
> --Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken [mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:01 AM
> To: Ivan Herman
> Cc: Peter Krautzberger; W3C Digital Publishing IG
>
> Subject: RE: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft
>
> I am such an American!
>
> I think more universal terms for K12 are primary school and high school.
>
> University (or college) students are also called undergraduate students,
> those studying for Bachelor's degree (yes, that's how it's spelled in
> America). In the US, more often a BA than a BsC.
>
> Graduate Student is a catch-all term for everything after that,  Masters,
> PhD, MD, PsyD, etc.
>
> These categories are just suggestions.
>
> Tzviya
>
> ****************************
> Tzviya Siegman * Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead * John Wiley &
> Sons, Inc.
> 111 River Street, MS 5-02 * Hoboken, NJ 07030-5774 * 201-748-6884 *
> tsiegman@wiley.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:47 AM
> To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken
> Cc: Peter Krautzberger; W3C Digital Publishing IG
> Subject: Re: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft
>
>
> > On 07 Jan 2015, at 15:35 , Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Excellent work.
> >
> > I recommend linking to the Web Annotations WG instead of the DPUB TF
> >
> > Because some of these questions will be irrelevant to some respondents,
> I recommend making all questions optional.
> >
> > Question 4: target audience. Is there a way we can make this multiple
> choice? Perhaps:
> > K12 students
>
> Except that... "K12" is an Americanism. I had no idea wha that means until
> I began to talk to you guys...
>
>
> > University Students
> > Graduate Students
>
> That again may be unclear outside the US. Actually... I am not even 100%
> sure what it means. I am not a university person but I remember my son was
> talking about "Master student", "PhD student", or "BsC Student". What
> corresponds to what?
>
>
> Ivan
>
> > Researchers
> > Professionals
> > Other
> >
> > Question 7: I think the wording might be a little confusing because we
> are asking both whether existing tech is sufficient and insufficient at
> once. Perhaps, break it into 2 parts. (What) do you use to associate
> additional with your content (multiple choice). Then free-form, do you find
> this sufficient, please explain.
> >
> > Question 9: I am not sure that this question will be clear enough.
> Perhaps, we need to clarify what we mean by re-usable. Re-usable to whom? I
> think this is targeting the publishers in the audience and the question is
> whether the publishers are re-using content chunks.
> >
> > Question 15: Massive collaboration is listed twice
> >
> > Question 17: Do you want respondents to specify which tools are in use?
> Perhaps clarify what you’d like to see in comments.
> >
> > Question 29: I am not sure what you mean by non-web. Is this offline?
> Print?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tzviya
> > ****************************
> > Tzviya Siegman * Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead * John Wiley
> & Sons, Inc.
> > 111 River Street, MS 5-02 * Hoboken, NJ 07030-5774 * 201-748-6884 *
> tsiegman@wiley.com
> >
> > From: Peter Krautzberger [mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org]
> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 12:55 PM
> > To: W3C Digital Publishing IG
> > Subject: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I've finished the first draft of the STEM TF Survey.
> >
> > You can find it at
> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/.
> >
> > Please take a look and post comments here.
> >
> > Best,
> > Peter.
>
>
> ----
> Ivan Herman, W3C
> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> mobile: +31-641044153
> ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704
>
>
>
>
>

Webinar: Making the Most of the New MathML Specializations in ...

Source: mathml - Google Blog Search • Lary Stucker • January 18, 2015 • Permalink

Tune in on January 21, 2015, from 1pm-2pm ET, when Autumn Cuellar and Aaron Guigar of Design Science will present "Making the Most of the New MathML Specializations in DITA 1.3", in a webinar hosted by Data ...

Webinar: Making the Most of the New MathML Specializations in DITA 1.3

Source: Design Science News • Lary Stucker • January 18, 2015 • Permalink

Tune in on January 21, 2015, from 1pm-2pm ET, when Autumn Cuellar and Aaron Guigar of Design Science will present "Making the Most of the New MathML Specializations in DITA 1.3", in a webinar hosted by Data Conversion Laboratories (DCL). Although many organizations have long been using MathML with DITA, DITA 1.3 will include new math specializations standardizing inclusion of mathematics in DITA content. This is great news if you have any math in your content. It means that the amount of time needed to implement DITA will be shorter, and it also allows you to capitalize on your transition to XML for mathematical content. Using MathML in DITA, you'll be able to make document-wide style changes to your equations, localize your mathematical content, and re-use or adapt the mathematics as needed. During this presentation, they will provide an overview of the new MathML and equation specializations, information on how you can get started using these specializations today, and your options for handling MathML in various outputs using the DITA Open Toolkit.

Please go to the DCL website to register: http://www.dclab.com/webinars/making-the-most-of-the-new-math-specializations-in-DITA-1.3

Topics in this post: 

Re: spec reading: semantics elements and styling

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • January 14, 2015 • Permalink

> We could add it to the tracker, even better we could actually do it:-)

I was hoping the former would help ensure the latter but yes, let's get
started. Where/how should we set it up? (I'd like to finish my other items
before getting into a new one though.)

Peter.


On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:50 PM, David Carlisle <davidc@nag.co.uk> wrote:

> On 14/01/2015 11:41, Peter Krautzberger wrote:
>
>> Yes. Can we add this to the WG tracker?
>>
>
> We could add it to the tracker, even better we could actually do it:-)
>
> David
>
>

Re: spec reading: semantics elements and styling

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • David Carlisle (davidc@nag.co.uk) • January 14, 2015 • Permalink

On 14/01/2015 11:41, Peter Krautzberger wrote:
> Yes. Can we add this to the WG tracker?

We could add it to the tracker, even better we could actually do it:-)

David

Re: spec reading: semantics elements and styling

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • January 14, 2015 • Permalink

Hi David,

> The fact that wrapping an element in semantics can change the
> css matching is no different from the fact that wrapping in an
> mrow can change the css matching even though there again the
> spec says that the MathML behaviour of <mrow><mi>x</mi></mrow>
> is the same as that of <mi>x</mi> they admit different css, or
> xpath, or JavaScript selections so in there are observable differences
>  that are out of scope of the MathML spec.

Thanks, that's much clearer than my rambling email.

> As noted elsewhere (somewhere:-) it would be a good idea to
> have a Note that detailed all such interpretations and clarifications
> of mathNML for a browser environment.

Yes. Can we add this to the WG tracker?

> That seems to be wrong.

I would agree but wanted to be sure.

Best,
Peter.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:41 AM, David Carlisle <davidc@nag.co.uk> wrote:

> On 14/01/2015 09:19, Peter Krautzberger wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The spec reads
>>
>>  > The default rendering of a semantics element is the default rendering
>> of its first child.
>>
>> (http://www.w3.org/Math/draft-spec/chapter5.html#mixing.semantic.elements
>> )
>>
>> I'd take this to mean that (by default) the first child is rendered as
>> if it stood alone.
>>
>
> That was the intention. I don't think that means that it should not be
> affected by a css rule matching children of semantics. As far as the mathml
> spec is concerned the "default" rendering is the intrinsic rendering not
> considering css. The fact that wrapping an element
> in semantics can change the css matching is no different from the fact
> that wrapping in an mrow can change the css matching even though there
> again the spec says that the MathML behaviour of <mrow><mi>x</mi></mrow>
> is the same as that of <mi>x</mi> they admit different css, or xpath, or
> JavaScript selections so in there are observable differences that are
> out of scope of the MathML spec.
>
> As noted elsewhere (somewhere:-) it would be a good idea to have a Note
> that detailed all such interpretations and clarifications of mathNML for a
> browser environment.
>
>  But that seems problematic in an HTML5 context.
>>
>> On the one hand, Firefox won't render the following mtable construction
>> at full width
>>
>> <math display="block" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML">
>>    <semantics>
>>      <mtable width="100%" mathbackground="red">
>>        <mtr> <mtd><mi>x</mi></mtd> </mtr>
>>      </mtable>
>>      <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x</annotation>
>>    </semantics>
>> </math>
>>
>
> That seems to be wrong.
>
>
>> On the other hand, I would expect (in HTML5) that styling the semantics
>> element (while poor practice) would affect the first child (and in fact
>> it does in Firefox).
>>
>
> As Noted above I think that's OK.
>
>>
>> So I'm wondering how to reconcile these two points of view (and what
>> else I might be missing here).
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Peter.
>>
>>
> David
> (speaking personally)
>
>
>
>

Re: spec reading: semantics elements and styling

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • David Carlisle (davidc@nag.co.uk) • January 14, 2015 • Permalink

On 14/01/2015 09:19, Peter Krautzberger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The spec reads
>
>  > The default rendering of a semantics element is the default rendering
> of its first child.
>
> (http://www.w3.org/Math/draft-spec/chapter5.html#mixing.semantic.elements)
>
> I'd take this to mean that (by default) the first child is rendered as
> if it stood alone.

That was the intention. I don't think that means that it should not be 
affected by a css rule matching children of semantics. As far as the 
mathml spec is concerned the "default" rendering is the intrinsic 
rendering not considering css. The fact that wrapping an element
in semantics can change the css matching is no different from the fact 
that wrapping in an mrow can change the css matching even though there 
again the spec says that the MathML behaviour of <mrow><mi>x</mi></mrow>
is the same as that of <mi>x</mi> they admit different css, or xpath, or 
JavaScript selections so in there are observable differences that are
out of scope of the MathML spec.

As noted elsewhere (somewhere:-) it would be a good idea to have a Note
that detailed all such interpretations and clarifications of mathNML for 
a browser environment.

> But that seems problematic in an HTML5 context.
>
> On the one hand, Firefox won't render the following mtable construction
> at full width
>
> <math display="block" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML">
>    <semantics>
>      <mtable width="100%" mathbackground="red">
>        <mtr> <mtd><mi>x</mi></mtd> </mtr>
>      </mtable>
>      <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x</annotation>
>    </semantics>
> </math>

That seems to be wrong.

>
> On the other hand, I would expect (in HTML5) that styling the semantics
> element (while poor practice) would affect the first child (and in fact
> it does in Firefox).

As Noted above I think that's OK.
>
> So I'm wondering how to reconcile these two points of view (and what
> else I might be missing here).
>
> Best wishes,
> Peter.
>

David
(speaking personally)

spec reading: semantics elements and styling

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • January 14, 2015 • Permalink

Hi,

The spec reads

> The default rendering of a semantics element is the default rendering of
its first child.

(http://www.w3.org/Math/draft-spec/chapter5.html#mixing.semantic.elements)

I'd take this to mean that (by default) the first child is rendered as if
it stood alone. But that seems problematic in an HTML5 context.

On the one hand, Firefox won't render the following mtable construction at
full width

<math display="block" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML">
  <semantics>
    <mtable width="100%" mathbackground="red">
      <mtr> <mtd><mi>x</mi></mtd> </mtr>
    </mtable>
    <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x</annotation>
  </semantics>
</math>

On the other hand, I would expect (in HTML5) that styling the semantics
element (while poor practice) would affect the first child (and in fact it
does in Firefox).

So I'm wondering how to reconcile these two points of view (and what else I
might be missing here).

Best wishes,
Peter.

RE: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Bill Kasdorf (bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com) • January 09, 2015 • Permalink

Looks good. And yes, I'm quite sure we decided to split Q4. Thanks for the opportunity to review your notes!
--Bill

From: Peter Krautzberger [mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 2:25 PM
To: Bill Kasdorf
Cc: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken; Ivan Herman; W3C Digital Publishing IG
Subject: Re: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft

Hi everyone,

Notes from todays TF call below.

@Bill @Tim I'm not actually sure whether we'd decided to split Q4. It seemed that way when cleaning up my notes.

Thanks again to everyone for their comments!

Have a good weekend,
Peter.

* feedback  from IG was good -- thanks everyone!
* Tim: long but it's good
  * Bill: +1
* re Ivan: humanities and social science not explicitly included
  * b/c aligned with common interpretations of "STEM"
* Tim: 30 questions would be better but couldn't find anything worth cutting.

[[going through survey]]
* intro
  * Tim: identify sections
  * me: add note in intro & on every multi-choice that it's desired.
* Tim: q3 before q2?
    * => agreed
* 3 subject areas:
  * add: STEM Education
  * add: Computer Science  (h/t Ivan)
  * add: Other (Library Science, Social Science, humanity) (Please add comment!)
* 4 => split
  * "audience" instead of "target audience" (what are you part of / do you target)
    * add list of audiences -- h/t Tzviya!
  * "platform do you use / or target to publish
    * print
    * tablet
    * desktop
    * ebooks
* 7 => split
  * on the web => on the web and/or web-based platforms [check what Qs can use this change]
  * split:
    * do you publish
    * where is that technology at for you?
* 9 -- add parenthetical examples
  * Tim: had different understanding: is it just linking?
     * no: primarily modification/extension/etc.
  * agreement that that focus is ok
  * add parenthetical examples
* 13
  * me: add tables (often turned into images)
  * Tim: add webCSV
  * SVG
  * make larger list
     * link to / use 5
* 15
  * add examples: massive collaboration (zooniverse, LHC, polymath)
* 16:
  * turn "None" to "Does not apply / unable (leave a comment!)"
* 17
  * "Add comment" =>  "Please add a comment on tools you use"
* 18:
  * add "office documents" (word processing, spreadhseet documents)
  * add: web platforms (wiki, blogs, source repositories (GItHub, BitBucket), specialized repositories (Zenodo, Figshare))
* 21
  * <br> if not why not? Which disadv...
* 23
  * What web and web-related standards ...
  * First item: W3C standards (HTML, CSS, SVG, MathML etc)
  * [peter while making minutes: stress call for adding comments]
* 27. Clarify to something like:
  * Why do you not author in format/tech that you want to read?
  * Why do you not consume in the format people author?
* 32
  * rephrase to something like "What is the state of the art in a11y in your subject area?"


On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com<mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>> wrote:
The most generic terms are primary ("elementary school" in the US), secondary ("high school" in the US), and tertiary ("college" in the US, usually meaning both undergraduate and graduate study.

BTW Ivan did you notice that Peter moved the meeting an hour earlier? You said that worked for you.

--Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken [mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:01 AM
To: Ivan Herman
Cc: Peter Krautzberger; W3C Digital Publishing IG
Subject: RE: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft

I am such an American!

I think more universal terms for K12 are primary school and high school.

University (or college) students are also called undergraduate students, those studying for Bachelor's degree (yes, that's how it's spelled in America). In the US, more often a BA than a BsC.

Graduate Student is a catch-all term for everything after that,  Masters, PhD, MD, PsyD, etc.

These categories are just suggestions.

Tzviya

****************************
Tzviya Siegman * Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead * John Wiley & Sons, Inc.
111 River Street, MS 5-02 * Hoboken, NJ 07030-5774 * 201-748-6884<tel:201-748-6884> * tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org<mailto:ivan@w3.org>]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:47 AM
To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken
Cc: Peter Krautzberger; W3C Digital Publishing IG
Subject: Re: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft


> On 07 Jan 2015, at 15:35 , Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Excellent work.
>
> I recommend linking to the Web Annotations WG instead of the DPUB TF
>
> Because some of these questions will be irrelevant to some respondents, I recommend making all questions optional.
>
> Question 4: target audience. Is there a way we can make this multiple choice? Perhaps:
> K12 students

Except that... "K12" is an Americanism. I had no idea wha that means until I began to talk to you guys...


> University Students
> Graduate Students

That again may be unclear outside the US. Actually... I am not even 100% sure what it means. I am not a university person but I remember my son was talking about "Master student", "PhD student", or "BsC Student". What corresponds to what?


Ivan

> Researchers
> Professionals
> Other
>
> Question 7: I think the wording might be a little confusing because we are asking both whether existing tech is sufficient and insufficient at once. Perhaps, break it into 2 parts. (What) do you use to associate additional with your content (multiple choice). Then free-form, do you find this sufficient, please explain.
>
> Question 9: I am not sure that this question will be clear enough. Perhaps, we need to clarify what we mean by re-usable. Re-usable to whom? I think this is targeting the publishers in the audience and the question is whether the publishers are re-using content chunks.
>
> Question 15: Massive collaboration is listed twice
>
> Question 17: Do you want respondents to specify which tools are in use? Perhaps clarify what you’d like to see in comments.
>
> Question 29: I am not sure what you mean by non-web. Is this offline? Print?
>
> Thanks,
> Tzviya
> ****************************
> Tzviya Siegman * Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead * John Wiley & Sons, Inc.
> 111 River Street, MS 5-02 * Hoboken, NJ 07030-5774 * 201-748-6884 * tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>
>
> From: Peter Krautzberger [mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org<mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>]
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 12:55 PM
> To: W3C Digital Publishing IG
> Subject: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've finished the first draft of the STEM TF Survey.
>
> You can find it at  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/.

>
> Please take a look and post comments here.
>
> Best,
> Peter.


----
Ivan Herman, W3C
Digital Publishing Activity Lead
Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/

mobile: +31-641044153<tel:%2B31-641044153>
ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704





Re: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • January 09, 2015 • Permalink

Hi everyone,

Notes from todays TF call below.

@Bill @Tim I'm not actually sure whether we'd decided to split Q4. It
seemed that way when cleaning up my notes.

Thanks again to everyone for their comments!

Have a good weekend,
Peter.

* feedback  from IG was good -- thanks everyone!
* Tim: long but it's good
  * Bill: +1
* re Ivan: humanities and social science not explicitly included
  * b/c aligned with common interpretations of "STEM"
* Tim: 30 questions would be better but couldn't find anything worth
cutting.

[[going through survey]]
* intro
  * Tim: identify sections
  * me: add note in intro & on every multi-choice that it's desired.
* Tim: q3 before q2?
    * => agreed
* 3 subject areas:
  * add: STEM Education
  * add: Computer Science  (h/t Ivan)
  * add: Other (Library Science, Social Science, humanity) (Please add
comment!)
* 4 => split
  * "audience" instead of "target audience" (what are you part of / do you
target)
    * add list of audiences -- h/t Tzviya!
  * "platform do you use / or target to publish
    * print
    * tablet
    * desktop
    * ebooks
* 7 => split
  * on the web => on the web and/or web-based platforms [check what Qs can
use this change]
  * split:
    * do you publish
    * where is that technology at for you?
* 9 -- add parenthetical examples
  * Tim: had different understanding: is it just linking?
     * no: primarily modification/extension/etc.
  * agreement that that focus is ok
  * add parenthetical examples
* 13
  * me: add tables (often turned into images)
  * Tim: add webCSV
  * SVG
  * make larger list
     * link to / use 5
* 15
  * add examples: massive collaboration (zooniverse, LHC, polymath)
* 16:
  * turn "None" to "Does not apply / unable (leave a comment!)"
* 17
  * "Add comment" =>  "Please add a comment on tools you use"
* 18:
  * add "office documents" (word processing, spreadhseet documents)
  * add: web platforms (wiki, blogs, source repositories (GItHub,
BitBucket), specialized repositories (Zenodo, Figshare))
* 21
  * <br> if not why not? Which disadv...
* 23
  * What web and web-related standards ...
  * First item: W3C standards (HTML, CSS, SVG, MathML etc)
  * [peter while making minutes: stress call for adding comments]
* 27. Clarify to something like:
  * Why do you not author in format/tech that you want to read?
  * Why do you not consume in the format people author?
* 32
  * rephrase to something like "What is the state of the art in a11y in
your subject area?"


On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>
wrote:

> The most generic terms are primary ("elementary school" in the US),
> secondary ("high school" in the US), and tertiary ("college" in the US,
> usually meaning both undergraduate and graduate study.
>
> BTW Ivan did you notice that Peter moved the meeting an hour earlier? You
> said that worked for you.
>
> --Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken [mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:01 AM
> To: Ivan Herman
> Cc: Peter Krautzberger; W3C Digital Publishing IG
> Subject: RE: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft
>
> I am such an American!
>
> I think more universal terms for K12 are primary school and high school.
>
> University (or college) students are also called undergraduate students,
> those studying for Bachelor's degree (yes, that's how it's spelled in
> America). In the US, more often a BA than a BsC.
>
> Graduate Student is a catch-all term for everything after that,  Masters,
> PhD, MD, PsyD, etc.
>
> These categories are just suggestions.
>
> Tzviya
>
> ****************************
> Tzviya Siegman * Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead * John Wiley &
> Sons, Inc.
> 111 River Street, MS 5-02 * Hoboken, NJ 07030-5774 * 201-748-6884 *
> tsiegman@wiley.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:47 AM
> To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken
> Cc: Peter Krautzberger; W3C Digital Publishing IG
> Subject: Re: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft
>
>
> > On 07 Jan 2015, at 15:35 , Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Excellent work.
> >
> > I recommend linking to the Web Annotations WG instead of the DPUB TF
> >
> > Because some of these questions will be irrelevant to some respondents,
> I recommend making all questions optional.
> >
> > Question 4: target audience. Is there a way we can make this multiple
> choice? Perhaps:
> > K12 students
>
> Except that... "K12" is an Americanism. I had no idea wha that means until
> I began to talk to you guys...
>
>
> > University Students
> > Graduate Students
>
> That again may be unclear outside the US. Actually... I am not even 100%
> sure what it means. I am not a university person but I remember my son was
> talking about "Master student", "PhD student", or "BsC Student". What
> corresponds to what?
>
>
> Ivan
>
> > Researchers
> > Professionals
> > Other
> >
> > Question 7: I think the wording might be a little confusing because we
> are asking both whether existing tech is sufficient and insufficient at
> once. Perhaps, break it into 2 parts. (What) do you use to associate
> additional with your content (multiple choice). Then free-form, do you find
> this sufficient, please explain.
> >
> > Question 9: I am not sure that this question will be clear enough.
> Perhaps, we need to clarify what we mean by re-usable. Re-usable to whom? I
> think this is targeting the publishers in the audience and the question is
> whether the publishers are re-using content chunks.
> >
> > Question 15: Massive collaboration is listed twice
> >
> > Question 17: Do you want respondents to specify which tools are in use?
> Perhaps clarify what you’d like to see in comments.
> >
> > Question 29: I am not sure what you mean by non-web. Is this offline?
> Print?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tzviya
> > ****************************
> > Tzviya Siegman * Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead * John Wiley
> & Sons, Inc.
> > 111 River Street, MS 5-02 * Hoboken, NJ 07030-5774 * 201-748-6884 *
> tsiegman@wiley.com
> >
> > From: Peter Krautzberger [mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org]
> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 12:55 PM
> > To: W3C Digital Publishing IG
> > Subject: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I've finished the first draft of the STEM TF Survey.
> >
> > You can find it at
> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/.
> >
> > Please take a look and post comments here.
> >
> > Best,
> > Peter.
>
>
> ----
> Ivan Herman, W3C
> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> mobile: +31-641044153
> ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704
>
>
>
>
>

MathML accessibility https://www.w3.org/Math/wiki/Accessibility

Source: public-html-a11y@w3.org Mail Archives • chaals@yandex-team.ru (chaals@yandex-team.ru) • January 09, 2015 • Permalink

I created the wiki page: 
close action-256

I created https://www.w3.org/Math/wiki/Accessibility as a page in the MathML wiki for accessibility. I'll link it from the TF wiki too.

cheers

--
Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com

Re: Defining a constructor for Element and friends

Source: public-webapps@w3.org Mail Archives • Boris Zbarsky (bzbarsky@mit.edu) • January 07, 2015 • Permalink

On 1/7/15 9:51 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
> That is what I meant. Otherwise in order to support new Element()
> you'd have to support an ever growing set of more specific objects as
> well and layering is out of the window.

Do you mean layering of implementations or specifications?  For 
specifications, here's one way this could work with reasonable layering. 
  DOM provides the following bits:

1)  A registry mapping (namespace, localname) pairs to abstract 
operations that allocate an object.

2)  Abstract operations that can be used by specifications built on top 
of DOM to register abstract operations in this registry.

3)  An abstract operation that takes a list of internal slot names and 
returns an object which has those internal slots, plus the internal 
slots all elements have, plus probably the ordinary object internal 
slots from ES6, depending on whether Web IDL assumes these are ordinary 
objects.  I thought ES6 had this sort of abstract operation already, but 
I don't see anything like it; in any case the only issue here is that 
this requires implementations of DOM and specifications built on top of 
it to agree internally on what "internal slot" means for elements, I agree.

Specifications that define elements on top of DOM provide the following 
bits:

4)  An abstract operation that creates an uninitialized version of their 
element, via calling the thing defined in #3.

5)  Registration of the abstract operation defined in #4 with the 
registry defined in #1, whether that happens at global-setup time or 
when the element definition is encountered or whatever.

An implementation that wants to just implement core DOM but not things 
built on on top of it can skip all of this machinery.  An implementation 
that wants to support DOM but not everything on top of it (e.g. support 
MathML but not HTML or something) just supports the bits it wants and 
the registry ends up not having stuff in it that it has in other 
implementations.  Seems ok to me.

Now some questions:

* Did I cover your concern about "have to support an ever growing set of 
more specific objects"?  If not, can you explain what the concern is?

* Without a mechanism like the above, how would one go about supporting 
document.createElement(NS) as it exists on the web.

> However, that does indeed seem like a lot of work and it's not clear
> whether that actually pays off in the end :-(

That's hard to say without knowing what the desired payoff is.

-Boris

Re: Call for comments from IG: STEM survey first draft

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Ivan Herman (ivan@w3.org) • January 07, 2015 • Permalink

Hey Peter,

Sorry I cannot be on the call; here are some immediate comments I have on the questions. They are all minor, which indicates that you did a great job:-)


- Question 3: with the profile of the people we may have around us, I guess and explicit entry for Computer Science may be helpful. Also, I think we should also add Humanities although I do not know whether the publisher world consider that as being part of 'Science' (I guess this is very much an issue of cultural traditions, in Hungary that is definitely 'science')

- Question 9: I am not sure what you mean there. Maybe an example would help

- Question 15: 'massive collaboration' is duplicated

- Question 16: same as question 9...

- Question 21: maybe add; "If not, why not?"

- Question 23: maybe add CSS, MathML, and maybe even SVG...

- Question 27: I am not sure I understand the question...:-(

- Question 29 & 30: comment boxes are missing

- Question 30: reproducability -> reproducibility

- Question 32: again, I am not sure what you mean in your question, including the first option...

Thanks!

Ivan


> On 05 Jan 2015, at 18:54 , Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've finished the first draft of the STEM TF Survey.
> 
> You can find it at  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/.
> 
> Please take a look and post comments here.
> 
> Best,
> Peter.


----
Ivan Herman, W3C
Digital Publishing Activity Lead
Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
mobile: +31-641044153
ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704





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