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- Javascript Math Editor - version 2.0 - free to download • February 21, 2017
- [math-on-web] a11y TF meeting time doodle • February 20, 2017
- [math-on-web] meeting minutes, 2017/02/16 • February 20, 2017
- Re: next meeting / 2017 schedule • February 16, 2017
- Discover the new math support in DITA 1.3, at CMS/ DITA North America in San Diego, California, April 24-26 • February 16, 2017
- [math-on-web] a11y TF meeting minutes, 2017-02-13 • February 16, 2017
- RE: Applications that use MathML • February 07, 2017
- Re: Applications that use MathML • February 06, 2017
- Re: Various Math in EPUB Examples to test • February 03, 2017
- [math-on-web] meeting minutes, 2017/02/02 • February 03, 2017
- Re: Various Math in EPUB Examples to test • February 03, 2017
- Various Math in EPUB Examples to test • February 02, 2017
- Re: Math a11y TF meeting & schedule • February 02, 2017
- Re: Math a11y TF meeting & schedule • February 01, 2017
- Re: Math a11y TF meeting & schedule • February 01, 2017
- Math a11y TF meeting & schedule • February 01, 2017
- next meeting / 2017 schedule • January 27, 2017
- Re: Applications that use MathML • January 26, 2017
- Re: Applications that use MathML • January 26, 2017
- Re: Applications that use MathML • January 26, 2017
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A new version for "Math Editor" have been released on www.fmath.info. The editor is free and 100% javascript. The changes for the new version are:

- redesign the layout and the architecture;
- implement drag and drop;
- implement fast edit (double click);
- improve properties;
- implement "wizard" actions.
- sync the selection with the xml editor;

regards

Ionel Alexandru

Hi everyone, As discussed on the last CG meeting, we are revisiting the time for the bi-weekly accessibility task force meetings -- the meeting time in the European morning did not work for people in the Americas. I've created a doodle at http://doodle.com/poll/thet5z95ksdve73x. It's set up to ask you next Monday but please take it to mean "all bi-weekly meetings". Please note that the task force meeting is a work meeting. If you primarily seek updates on the results of the task force, the regular meetings should be sufficient. Best, Peter.

Hi everyone, Below are the minutes from the last meeting. Best, Peter. # Math on web CG meeting 2017/02/16 Present: Charles, Moritz, Daniel, Peter * Dani: working on minimal CSS examples * simple examples, e.g., fraction, * e.g., stretchy characters * e.g., using background color for fraction line => does not print * Peter: another idea: inline-block vs inline-table => grows up/down from baseline * need to specify element which aligns at baseline * Moritz: background on work on wikipedia * getting rendering improved * getting MathML in the dom * working on wikidata * Charles: working on math in epub and web publications * Peter: report from a11y TF * Peter: my experiments going well * my own experiment: seem good in principle * todo: videos => tracked on github * Dani: worked on svg, role=image worked better * role=img, alt text was spoken * role=math, alt text was not spoken * Peter: sounds odd that it's not being picked up * Charles: sounds like a bug. if there's a label, there should be reading * have demo? * Peter: https://codepen.io/pkra/pen/xRBZjq * Charles and videos? Planned * Moritz: there are demo videos for wikipedia's current setup * Moritz: working on visualizing semantic structure * only existing samples are DLMF, hand-written TeX * biased by latexml output * Peter: SRE can produce json and xml of its tree (cf mathjax-node), I think volker has an SVG output as well * Charles: accessibility code sprint at CSUN * want to help readium integrate the MathJax a11y extensions * Peter: I'd suggest creating a setting in their own preferencs to avoid menu problem * a11y TF meeting time * ACTION: peter to make doodle for a11y tf meeting time

For those who missed it, today's meeting is happening on https://appear.in/mathonweb right now. Best, Peter. On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Peter Krautzberger < peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Given the feedback on Doodle, Daniel and I have decided to try out a new > schedule this year: > > We'll meet *bi-weekly on Thursdays at 12pm East Coast Time.* > > To kick things off, the next meeting will be > > *Feb 2, 2017, 12pm EST* > > To simplify the meeting tech, let's try *appear.in <http://appear.in>. * > > I've "claimed" https://appear.in/mathonweb for the group's convenience. > > Please try it out before the meeting. > > See you next week, > Peter. >

We at Design Science are excited about the 2 new math domains in DITA 1.3. We'll have a booth in the exhibit hall, and will be on hand to talk with you about best practices for your publishing workflow, to answer your questions, and to show you the available tools for authoring, display and accessibility of MathML. If you're not able to make the conference, feel free to contact us directly at any time.

We hope to see you in California!

Hi everyone, below are some minutes from the a11y task force meeting this week. See you later for the regular call. Peter. # 2017-02-13 MathOnWeb a11y TF * Dani: experimented with VO and SVGs * Volker: experimented with SSML and speech synthesis API * Dani: tested narrator for Edge, NVDA, ChromeVox * all slightly differently but seem consistent * had problems with VoiceOver * iOS * VoiceOver with SVG with role=math, then it will read the letters * with role=img, then alt-text is working * Peter: what does the SVG tech look like? * Dani: text in SVG + nested titles but nested titles do not work * Dani: two approaches: * a) text for entire formula * b) split so that you can explore * can't do both * Peter: I think that's intentional from WAI-ARIA * Volker: role=math not implemented well * Peter: spec says: all children are hidden, so nothing should be exposed on a11y tree * Peter: been working on deep lables (see codepen) * making progress * hacking around empty spans problem * some mixed version for SVG output * VO quite good but no navigation, nvda fails badly (reached out to James) * Dani: is this customized per browsers? * Peter: no. * Dani: this is a standard MathJax rendering? * Peter: yes. * Volker: so does e.g., aria-label="two fifth" hide the content? * Peter: yes. Cf. James Teh's blog post on calculations * Peter: what I need to figure out is DOM exploration (i.e. what you can see in dev tools) * VO is iffy with the demo * NVDA better in my experience but the demo fails * Volker: some argue in favor of clever linearization (a la MathPlayer) * Peter: nice but seems unrealistic to me * perhaps a theoretical new ARIA feature could help but unclear * Volker: it's a bit like levels of granularity (similar to sentence / word / characters) * Peter: I will do a screencapture for VO, NVDA, also try VO+Chrome/FF * Volker: been playing with speech synthesis * clearspeak in SRE by August => requires prosody changes (pausing) * similar to screenreaders using different prosody for e.g., capitals * speech synthesis being implemented in Edge * so instead of using live-regions we can push directly there * linux+FF fails (crashes pulseaudio) * http://caniuse.com/speech-synthesis, https://developer.mozilla.org/ en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Speech_API * officially, speech API includes SSML, but does not seem implemented * initial test (https://github.com/zorkow/speech-rule-engine/blob/v2.0. 0-beta.1/tests/markup_test.js) works in watson (https://text-to-speech-demo. mybluemix.net/) * if I create a live sample that should work, could you try it out in your browsers? * => yes * ACTIONS: * https://github.com/w3c/mathonwebpages/issues/12 * https://github.com/w3c/mathonwebpages/issues/13 * https://github.com/w3c/mathonwebpages/issues/11

Consider it done! Dani *From:* Ramon Eixarch [mailto:ramon@wiris.com] *Sent:* lunes, 6 de febrero de 2017 21:02 *To:* Gunter Königsmann *Cc:* Paul Libbrecht; Bert Bos; www-math@w3.org *Subject:* Re: Applications that use MathML Hi Bert, looks ike there are requests to include some changes. We would like to include an update on WIRIS EDITOR. Where MathFlow and pmmltex appear · MathFlow <http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathflow/mf_components.htm> (MathML to GIF/PNG/EPS/speech text) · pmml2tex <https://code.google.com/p/web-xslt/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fpmml2tex> (MathML to TeX) we would include a new line for WIRIS EDITOR · WIRIS EDITOR (MathML to PNG/SVG/PDF/EPS/speech text/LaTeX) with a link to our documentation at http://www.wiris.com/editor/docs/servicesapis Thanks in advance. Cordialment, Cordialmente, Best regards, *Ramon Eixarch* WIRIS math ramon@wiris.com T +34 932 804 805 M +34 649752179 twitter.com/eixarch skype: ramoneixarch 2017-01-26 21:35 GMT+01:00 Gunter Königsmann <gunter@peterpall.de>: > why not also apply the clipboard specs of chapter 6 of MathML? wxMaxima 16.12.2 (released only a few hours ago) should do that. Kind regards, Gunter.

Hi Bert, looks ike there are requests to include some changes. We would like to include an update on WIRIS EDITOR. Where MathFlow and pmmltex appear - MathFlow <http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathflow/mf_components.htm> (MathML to GIF/PNG/EPS/speech text) - pmml2tex <https://code.google.com/p/web-xslt/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fpmml2tex> (MathML to TeX) we would include a new line for WIRIS EDITOR - WIRIS EDITOR (MathML to PNG/SVG/PDF/EPS/speech text/LaTeX) with a link to our documentation at http://www.wiris.com/editor/docs/servicesapis Thanks in advance. Cordialment, Cordialmente, Best regards, *Ramon Eixarch* WIRIS math ramon@wiris.com T +34 932 804 805 M +34 649752179 twitter.com/eixarch skype: ramoneixarch 2017-01-26 21:35 GMT+01:00 Gunter Königsmann <gunter@peterpall.de>: > > why not also apply the clipboard specs of chapter 6 of MathML? > wxMaxima 16.12.2 (released only a few hours ago) should do that. > > Kind regards, > > Gunter. > >

Hello everyone, Please keep these EPUB mathML files to yourself as there may be some copyright issue and we want to make sure we are not publicly releasing anything we shouldn’t be. You can still use them to test but please don’t pass them on or make them publicly available. I don’t believe there was anything proprietary but just being cautious. Romain pointed out that we probably didn’t need more than a couple examples to demonstrate each technique, so once you figure out the pattern you probably don’t need to go through all 19 examples. Also when testing make sure you include information like the version numbers of the reader and any AT you are using as well as the OS version. Thanks EOM Charles LaPierre Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org> Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y Skype: charles_lapierre Phone: 650-600-3301 On Feb 2, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>> wrote: Hello everyone, Well as promised here are six different alternatives to how to put mathML inside an EPUB. We would like you all to test all of them with as many different readers and assistive technologies and let us know what you like, what you don’t like, and if there are any other combinations we should explore. All of these examples have the same 19 equations in an ordered list but have been marked up differently. Below the links is my findings with Voice Over on a Mac with iBooks. Altimg_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/mqpjsl242jl440tr6kdz7adh0f3ehrq7> This EPUB has MathML which contains a fallback PNG image with Alt-Text inside the MathML Ariadescribedby_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/z1c2abiuom7ryne9xo6kyegd7ofzj6v7> This EPUB has a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to a hidden div containing the MathML. (This MathML has no alt image nor has an alttext description) Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/hhjnkapsk0rjgz5xnltsu2fbilirygl5> This EPUB has a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to a hidden div containing the MathML which has embedded in it an alttext description. BasicEPUB3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/wahkyhhnclwimejmho3phskn1e8ngwxw> This EPUB has MathML which only has an alttext fallback within the MathML, There is no altimage fallback. MathMLCloud_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/ir8l4q57u14i0jxnmxxds96ci4g3bvl4> This EPUB has a clickable PNG Image of the math which links to the MathML Cloud’s copy of this same equation which could be explored on the web using MathJax and AT. It also has Alt describing the image and commented out MathML Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/tpnobqhefqywrecp4zutbko8d62xrfv6> This EPUB shows what Wiley is currently doing which is a PNG Image of the math equation with Alt describing the equation and commented out MathML Mac with Voice Over with IBOOKS (I was unable to explore any of the equations within iBooks using Voice Over) Altimg_epub3: Repeats the List number of the list for each element of the math equation. Eg 3.) x + y = 2 would say x3 +3 y3 =3 2 3. I suspect this is a very bad Voice Over bug with Lists Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. Ariadescribedby_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. BasicEPUB3: Repeats the List number in the list for each element of the math equation. MathMLCloud_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. Thanks EOM Charles LaPierre Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org> Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y Skype: charles_lapierre Phone: 650-600-3301

Hi everyone, Below are the minutes from the last meeting Best, Peter. # Math On Web CG 2017/02/02 Present: John, Kevin, Charles, Volker, Peter, Daniel * round robin: current plans and priorities * Peter: continuing my experiments with deep labels * testing, lots of failure (running into typical accessible name calculation issues, cf James Teh blog post), but also new ideas from there * Charles: aria-labels on mathml? * Peter: Yes. But goal is identifying programmatic approach (e.g., speech-rule-engine attaching its output as labels) * Volker: working with Benetech on improvements, Mozilla funding for Clearspeak * but also MathJax v3.0 revamp of internal model * a bit like 'finding the "optimal" math json format' * Charles: * Benetech work with Volker on 2dim structures (Equation arrays, complex layout, reading it well etc) * epub accessibility certification work * coming up with 5/6 different variations of putting it in there * eg. image with alt, aria-details, aria-describedby with hidden MathML etc * creating epub samples with variations * testing via DAISY evaluation * developing guidelines * if there's interest, we can share this * Daniel: * general comment: should clarify if we're talking current state of mathematics (images+alttext etc) but we should also talk about the future * and be clear about when we mean which * priority for me: future of math display * I'm interested in "static" rendering in HTML5: one output, that works on all devices * we probably need web standards that need changing * e.g., stretchy chars * future of math accessibility * tests with ChromeVox, NVDA on Edge ok * VoiceOver fails badly for me * Volker: curious: which browser? [iOS, i.e., Safari] * I don't think a11y should be responsibility of the AT but part of the content * since mathml is limited, we cannot expect good results from AT * Peter: interested in layout, too. Just no time. * Kevin: writing an ebook, interested in accessibility and what Charles said * Charles: will send out samples * Peter: is there documentation? * Charles: the markup in the book. * Peter: a11y task force scheduling: Charles and Jason likely can't make that time * maybe keep next meeting and try later time for one after? * maybe not worth it since Volker & Charles will be traveling to CSUN * => keep next two meetings as is & identify alternative time

Thanks for sharing, Charles! On Feb 2, 2017 8:13 PM, "Charles LaPierre" <charlesl@benetech.org> wrote: Hello everyone, Well as promised here are six different alternatives to how to put mathML inside an EPUB. We would like you all to test all of them with as many different readers and assistive technologies and let us know what you like, what you don’t like, and if there are any other combinations we should explore. All of these examples have the same 19 equations in an ordered list but have been marked up differently. Below the links is my findings with Voice Over on a Mac with iBooks. Altimg_epub3.epub <https://benetech.box.com/s/mqpjsl242jl440tr6kdz7adh0f3ehrq7> This EPUB has MathML which contains a fallback PNG image with Alt-Text inside the MathML Ariadescribedby_epub3.epub <https://benetech.box.com/s/z1c2abiuom7ryne9xo6kyegd7ofzj6v7> This EPUB has a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to a hidden div containing the MathML. (This MathML has no alt image nor has an alttext description) Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3.epub <https://benetech.box.com/s/hhjnkapsk0rjgz5xnltsu2fbilirygl5> This EPUB has a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to a hidden div containing the MathML which has embedded in it an alttext description. BasicEPUB3.epub <https://benetech.box.com/s/wahkyhhnclwimejmho3phskn1e8ngwxw> This EPUB has MathML which only has an alttext fallback within the MathML, There is no altimage fallback. MathMLCloud_epub3.epub <https://benetech.box.com/s/ir8l4q57u14i0jxnmxxds96ci4g3bvl4> This EPUB has a clickable PNG Image of the math which links to the MathML Cloud’s copy of this same equation which could be explored on the web using MathJax and AT. It also has Alt describing the image and commented out MathML Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3.epub <https://benetech.box.com/s/tpnobqhefqywrecp4zutbko8d62xrfv6> This EPUB shows what Wiley is currently doing which is a PNG Image of the math equation with Alt describing the equation and commented out MathML Mac with Voice Over with IBOOKS (I was unable to explore any of the equations within iBooks using Voice Over) Altimg_epub3: Repeats the List number of the list for each element of the math equation. Eg 3.) x + y = 2 would say x3 +3 y3 =3 2 3. I suspect this is a very bad Voice Over bug with Lists Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. Ariadescribedby_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. BasicEPUB3: Repeats the List number in the list for each element of the math equation. MathMLCloud_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. Thanks EOM Charles LaPierre Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y Skype: charles_lapierre Phone: 650-600-3301 <(650)%20600-3301>

Hello everyone, Well as promised here are six different alternatives to how to put mathML inside an EPUB. We would like you all to test all of them with as many different readers and assistive technologies and let us know what you like, what you don’t like, and if there are any other combinations we should explore. All of these examples have the same 19 equations in an ordered list but have been marked up differently. Below the links is my findings with Voice Over on a Mac with iBooks. Altimg_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/mqpjsl242jl440tr6kdz7adh0f3ehrq7> This EPUB has MathML which contains a fallback PNG image with Alt-Text inside the MathML Ariadescribedby_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/z1c2abiuom7ryne9xo6kyegd7ofzj6v7> This EPUB has a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to a hidden div containing the MathML. (This MathML has no alt image nor has an alttext description) Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/hhjnkapsk0rjgz5xnltsu2fbilirygl5> This EPUB has a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to a hidden div containing the MathML which has embedded in it an alttext description. BasicEPUB3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/wahkyhhnclwimejmho3phskn1e8ngwxw> This EPUB has MathML which only has an alttext fallback within the MathML, There is no altimage fallback. MathMLCloud_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/ir8l4q57u14i0jxnmxxds96ci4g3bvl4> This EPUB has a clickable PNG Image of the math which links to the MathML Cloud’s copy of this same equation which could be explored on the web using MathJax and AT. It also has Alt describing the image and commented out MathML Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/tpnobqhefqywrecp4zutbko8d62xrfv6> This EPUB shows what Wiley is currently doing which is a PNG Image of the math equation with Alt describing the equation and commented out MathML Mac with Voice Over with IBOOKS (I was unable to explore any of the equations within iBooks using Voice Over) Altimg_epub3: Repeats the List number of the list for each element of the math equation. Eg 3.) x + y = 2 would say x3 +3 y3 =3 2 3. I suspect this is a very bad Voice Over bug with Lists Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. Ariadescribedby_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. BasicEPUB3: Repeats the List number in the list for each element of the math equation. MathMLCloud_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image. Thanks EOM Charles LaPierre Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org> Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y Skype: charles_lapierre Phone: 650-600-3301

I forgot on detail for the task force meeting: We will meet using appear.in/mathonweb as well. Peter. PS: Thanks to Jason for spotting this. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Peter Krautzberger < peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote: > Hi Charles, > > > I would like to attend > > That's great! > > > isn’t that the same time as the DPUB weekly meeting at 17:00 UTC on > Mondays? > > Sorry, I should have given the time in UTC (though summer time always gets > in the way). > > It's 10:00 UTC, i.e., 1am your time. > > So let's see if we can figure something out on Thursday's meeting. > Peter. > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org> > wrote: > >> Oh Bummer, I would like to attend but isn’t that the same time as the >> DPUB weekly meeting at 17:00 UTC on Mondays? >> >> Thanks >> EOM >> >> Charles LaPierre >> Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible >> E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org >> Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y >> Skype: charles_lapierre >> Phone: 650-600-3301 <(650)%20600-3301> >> >> >> >> On Feb 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Peter Krautzberger < >> peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote: >> >> Hi MathOnWeb CG, >> >> The a11y task force (right now: Volker, Daniel, and myself) will be >> meeting >> >> *every other Monday at 11am Central European time* >> >> The next meeting will be *Feb 13, 2017.* >> >> If you are interested in participating and this time does not work for >> you, please let us know. >> >> Best, >> Peter. >> >> >> >

Hi Charles, > I would like to attend That's great! > isn’t that the same time as the DPUB weekly meeting at 17:00 UTC on Mondays? Sorry, I should have given the time in UTC (though summer time always gets in the way). It's 10:00 UTC, i.e., 1am your time. So let's see if we can figure something out on Thursday's meeting. Peter. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org> wrote: > Oh Bummer, I would like to attend but isn’t that the same time as the DPUB > weekly meeting at 17:00 UTC on Mondays? > > Thanks > EOM > > Charles LaPierre > Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible > E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org > Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y > Skype: charles_lapierre > Phone: 650-600-3301 <(650)%20600-3301> > > > > On Feb 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Peter Krautzberger < > peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote: > > Hi MathOnWeb CG, > > The a11y task force (right now: Volker, Daniel, and myself) will be > meeting > > *every other Monday at 11am Central European time* > > The next meeting will be *Feb 13, 2017.* > > If you are interested in participating and this time does not work for > you, please let us know. > > Best, > Peter. > > >

Oh Bummer, I would like to attend but isn’t that the same time as the DPUB weekly meeting at 17:00 UTC on Mondays? Thanks EOM Charles LaPierre Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org> Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y Skype: charles_lapierre Phone: 650-600-3301 On Feb 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org<mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>> wrote: Hi MathOnWeb CG, The a11y task force (right now: Volker, Daniel, and myself) will be meeting every other Monday at 11am Central European time The next meeting will be Feb 13, 2017. If you are interested in participating and this time does not work for you, please let us know. Best, Peter.

Hi everyone, Given the feedback on Doodle, Daniel and I have decided to try out a new schedule this year: We'll meet *bi-weekly on Thursdays at 12pm East Coast Time.* To kick things off, the next meeting will be *Feb 2, 2017, 12pm EST* To simplify the meeting tech, let's try *appear.in <http://appear.in>. * I've "claimed" https://appear.in/mathonweb for the group's convenience. Please try it out before the meeting. See you next week, Peter.

> On 26 Jan 2017, at 19:49, Gunter Königsmann <gunter@peterpall.de> wrote: > >> >> I've added wxMaxima. > Thanks a lot! >> >> Are you sure Maxima itself, without wxMaxima, can output MathML? I don't >> see any mention of MathML in the documentation. > The documentation about this has been added quite recently so you might > be using a version that doesn't tell so. But Support for MathML has been > there for a long time and I've originally only added it to wxMaxima in > order to find out what it is good for: > > (%i2) load("alt-display.mac")$ > set_alt_display(2,mathml_display)$ > (%i3) sin(a/b); > <math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML"> <mi>mlabel</mi> > <mfenced separators=""><msub><mi>%o</mi> <mn>3</mn></msub> > <mo>,</mo><mi>sin</mi> <mfenced separators=""><mfrac><mrow> > <mi>a</mi> </mrow> <mrow><mi>b</mi> </mrow></mfrac> </mfenced> > </mfenced> </math> Indeed, that works. And I see it’s in the documentation, too, now that I know I have to look under alt-display... I added Maxima in https://www.w3.org/Math/wiki/Tools#Scientific_Computation Bert -- Bert Bos ( W 3 C ) http://www.w3.org/ http://www.w3.org/people/bos W3C/ERCIM bert@w3.org 2004 Rt des Lucioles / BP 93 +33 (0)4 92 38 76 92 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France

Gunter, why not also apply the clipboard specs of chapter 6 of MathML? Currently, at least on MacOSX, the clipboard only contains the source; you would simply add the MathML-flavours as named there. This works very well with MS Word which can also copy to MathML (thank you Murray and the MS Team for the responsiveness to bring it back!). paul > On 26 Jan 2017, at 19:49, Gunter Königsmann <gunter@peterpall.de> wrote: > >> >> I've added wxMaxima. > Thanks a lot! >> >> Are you sure Maxima itself, without wxMaxima, can output MathML? I don't >> see any mention of MathML in the documentation. > The documentation about this has been added quite recently so you might > be using a version that doesn't tell so. But Support for MathML has been > there for a long time and I've originally only added it to wxMaxima in > order to find out what it is good for: > > (%i2) load("alt-display.mac")$ > set_alt_display(2,mathml_display)$ > (%i3) sin(a/b); > <math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML"> <mi>mlabel</mi> > <mfenced separators=""><msub><mi>%o</mi> <mn>3</mn></msub> > <mo>,</mo><mi>sin</mi> <mfenced separators=""><mfrac><mrow> > <mi>a</mi> </mrow> <mrow><mi>b</mi> </mrow></mfrac> </mfenced> > </mfenced> </math> > > I was quite surprised that this allows seamless integration into MS Word > - and I have also filed a but against libreOffice as this program's > equation editor has a MathML import, but doesn't automatically activate > it on encountering MathML. > > Thanks again, > and > Kind regards, > > Gunter. >

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