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Re: next meeting / 2017 schedule

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • February 16, 2017 • Permalink

For those who missed it, today's meeting is happening on
https://appear.in/mathonweb right now.

Best,
Peter.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Peter Krautzberger <
peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Given the feedback on Doodle, Daniel and I have decided to try out a new
> schedule this year:
>
> We'll meet *bi-weekly on Thursdays at 12pm East Coast Time.*
>
> To kick things off, the next meeting will be
>
> *Feb 2, 2017, 12pm EST*
>
> To simplify the meeting tech, let's try *appear.in <http://appear.in>. *
>
> I've "claimed" https://appear.in/mathonweb for the group's convenience.
>
> Please try it out before the meeting.
>
> See you next week,
> Peter.
>

Discover the new math support in DITA 1.3, at CMS/ DITA North America in San Diego, California, April 24-26

Source: Design Science News • Bob Mathews • February 16, 2017 • Permalink

We at Design Science are excited about the 2 new math domains in DITA 1.3. We'll have a booth in the exhibit hall, and will be on hand to talk with you about best practices for your publishing workflow, to answer your questions, and to show you the available tools for authoring, display and accessibility of MathML. If you're not able to make the conference, feel free to contact us directly at any time.

 

We hope to see you in California!

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[math-on-web] a11y TF meeting minutes, 2017-02-13

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • February 16, 2017 • Permalink

Hi everyone,

below are some minutes from the a11y task force meeting this week.

See you later for the regular call.
Peter.

# 2017-02-13 MathOnWeb a11y TF

* Dani: experimented with VO and SVGs
* Volker: experimented with SSML and speech synthesis API
* Dani: tested narrator for Edge, NVDA, ChromeVox
  * all slightly differently but seem consistent
  * had problems with VoiceOver
    * iOS
  * VoiceOver with SVG with role=math, then it will read the letters
    * with role=img, then alt-text is working
  * Peter: what does the SVG tech look like?
    * Dani: text in SVG + nested titles but nested titles do not work
  * Dani: two approaches:
    * a) text for entire formula
    * b) split so that you can explore
    * can't do both
    * Peter: I think that's intentional from WAI-ARIA
  * Volker: role=math not implemented well
    * Peter: spec says: all children are hidden, so nothing should be
exposed on a11y tree
* Peter: been working on deep lables (see codepen)
  * making progress
   * hacking around empty spans problem
   * some mixed version for SVG output
   * VO quite good but no navigation, nvda fails badly (reached out to
James)
   * Dani: is this customized per browsers?
     * Peter: no.
   * Dani: this is a standard MathJax rendering?
     * Peter: yes.
 * Volker: so does e.g., aria-label="two fifth" hide the content?
   * Peter: yes. Cf. James Teh's blog post on calculations
 * Peter: what I need to figure out is DOM exploration (i.e. what you can
see in dev tools)
    * VO is iffy with the demo
    * NVDA better in my experience but the demo fails
 * Volker: some argue in favor of clever linearization (a la MathPlayer)
   * Peter: nice but seems unrealistic to me
     * perhaps a theoretical new ARIA feature could help but unclear
   * Volker: it's a bit like levels of granularity (similar to sentence /
word / characters)
 * Peter: I will do a screencapture for VO, NVDA, also try VO+Chrome/FF
* Volker: been playing with speech synthesis
  * clearspeak in SRE by August => requires prosody changes (pausing)
  * similar to screenreaders using different prosody for e.g., capitals
  * speech synthesis being implemented in Edge
  * so instead of using live-regions we can push directly there
  * linux+FF fails (crashes pulseaudio)
  * http://caniuse.com/speech-synthesis, https://developer.mozilla.org/
en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Speech_API
  * officially, speech API includes SSML, but does not seem implemented
  * initial test (https://github.com/zorkow/speech-rule-engine/blob/v2.0.
0-beta.1/tests/markup_test.js) works in watson (https://text-to-speech-demo.
mybluemix.net/)
  * if I create a live sample that should work, could you try it out in
your browsers?
    * => yes
* ACTIONS:
  * https://github.com/w3c/mathonwebpages/issues/12
  * https://github.com/w3c/mathonwebpages/issues/13
  * https://github.com/w3c/mathonwebpages/issues/11

RE: Applications that use MathML

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Daniel Marques (dani@wiris.com) • February 07, 2017 • Permalink

Consider it done!



Dani



*From:* Ramon Eixarch [mailto:ramon@wiris.com]
*Sent:* lunes, 6 de febrero de 2017 21:02
*To:* Gunter Königsmann
*Cc:* Paul Libbrecht; Bert Bos; www-math@w3.org
*Subject:* Re: Applications that use MathML



Hi Bert,



looks ike there are requests to include some changes.



We would like to include an update on WIRIS EDITOR.



Where MathFlow and pmmltex appear

·         MathFlow
<http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathflow/mf_components.htm> (MathML to
GIF/PNG/EPS/speech text)

·         pmml2tex
<https://code.google.com/p/web-xslt/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fpmml2tex>
(MathML
to TeX)



we would include a new line for WIRIS EDITOR

·         WIRIS EDITOR (MathML to PNG/SVG/PDF/EPS/speech text/LaTeX)



with a link to our documentation at
http://www.wiris.com/editor/docs/servicesapis



Thanks in advance.


Cordialment, Cordialmente, Best regards,



*Ramon Eixarch*

WIRIS math

ramon@wiris.com

T  +34 932 804 805

M +34 649752179

twitter.com/eixarch

skype: ramoneixarch



2017-01-26 21:35 GMT+01:00 Gunter Königsmann <gunter@peterpall.de>:

> why not also apply the clipboard specs of chapter 6 of MathML?
wxMaxima 16.12.2 (released only a few hours ago) should do that.

Kind regards,

 Gunter.

Re: Applications that use MathML

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Ramon Eixarch (ramon@wiris.com) • February 06, 2017 • Permalink

Hi Bert,

looks ike there are requests to include some changes.

We would like to include an update on WIRIS EDITOR.

Where MathFlow and pmmltex appear

   - MathFlow <http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathflow/mf_components.htm>
(MathML
   to GIF/PNG/EPS/speech text)
   - pmml2tex
   <https://code.google.com/p/web-xslt/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fpmml2tex>
(MathML
   to TeX)


we would include a new line for WIRIS EDITOR

   - WIRIS EDITOR (MathML to PNG/SVG/PDF/EPS/speech text/LaTeX)


with a link to our documentation at
http://www.wiris.com/editor/docs/servicesapis

Thanks in advance.

Cordialment, Cordialmente, Best regards,

*Ramon Eixarch*
WIRIS math
ramon@wiris.com
T  +34 932 804 805
M +34 649752179
twitter.com/eixarch
skype: ramoneixarch

2017-01-26 21:35 GMT+01:00 Gunter Königsmann <gunter@peterpall.de>:

> > why not also apply the clipboard specs of chapter 6 of MathML?
> wxMaxima 16.12.2 (released only a few hours ago) should do that.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>  Gunter.
>
>

Re: Various Math in EPUB Examples to test

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Charles LaPierre (charlesl@benetech.org) • February 03, 2017 • Permalink

Hello everyone,
Please keep these EPUB mathML files to yourself as there may be some copyright issue and we want to make sure we are not publicly releasing anything we shouldn’t be.  You can still use them to test but please don’t pass them on or make them publicly available.  I don’t believe there was anything proprietary but just being cautious.

Romain pointed out that we probably didn’t need more than a couple examples to demonstrate each technique, so once you figure out the pattern you probably don’t need to go through all 19 examples.  Also when testing make sure you include information like the version numbers of the reader and any AT you are using as well as the OS version.


Thanks
EOM

Charles LaPierre
Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible
E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>
Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y
Skype: charles_lapierre
Phone: 650-600-3301



On Feb 2, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>> wrote:

Hello everyone,
Well as promised here are six different alternatives to how to put mathML inside an EPUB.  We would like you all to test all of them with as many different readers and assistive technologies and let us know what you like, what you don’t like, and if there are any other combinations we should explore.

All of these examples have the same 19 equations in an ordered list but have been marked up differently.
Below the links is my findings with Voice Over on a Mac with iBooks.

Altimg_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/mqpjsl242jl440tr6kdz7adh0f3ehrq7> This EPUB has MathML which contains a fallback PNG image with Alt-Text inside the MathML

Ariadescribedby_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/z1c2abiuom7ryne9xo6kyegd7ofzj6v7> This EPUB has a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to a hidden div containing the MathML. (This MathML has no alt image nor has an alttext description)

Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/hhjnkapsk0rjgz5xnltsu2fbilirygl5> This EPUB has a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to a hidden div containing the MathML which has embedded in it an alttext description.

BasicEPUB3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/wahkyhhnclwimejmho3phskn1e8ngwxw> This EPUB has MathML which only has an alttext fallback within the MathML, There is no altimage fallback.

MathMLCloud_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/ir8l4q57u14i0jxnmxxds96ci4g3bvl4> This EPUB has a clickable PNG Image of the math which links to the MathML Cloud’s copy of this same equation which could be explored on the web using MathJax and AT.  It also has Alt describing the image and commented out MathML

Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/tpnobqhefqywrecp4zutbko8d62xrfv6> This EPUB shows what Wiley is currently doing which is a PNG Image of the math equation with Alt describing the equation and commented out MathML


Mac with Voice Over with IBOOKS (I was unable to explore any of the equations within iBooks using Voice Over)
Altimg_epub3: Repeats the List number of the list for each element of the math equation. Eg 3.) x + y = 2 would say  x3 +3 y3 =3 2 3.  I suspect this is a very bad Voice Over bug with Lists
Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image.
Ariadescribedby_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image.
BasicEPUB3: Repeats the List number in the list for each element of the math equation.
MathMLCloud_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image.
Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image.

Thanks
EOM

Charles LaPierre
Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible
E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>
Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y
Skype: charles_lapierre
Phone: 650-600-3301




[math-on-web] meeting minutes, 2017/02/02

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • February 03, 2017 • Permalink

Hi everyone,

Below are the minutes from the last meeting

Best,
Peter.

# Math On Web CG 2017/02/02

Present: John, Kevin, Charles, Volker, Peter, Daniel

* round robin: current plans and priorities

  * Peter: continuing my experiments with deep labels
    * testing, lots of failure (running into typical accessible name
calculation issues, cf James Teh blog post), but also new ideas from there
    * Charles:  aria-labels on mathml?
      * Peter: Yes. But goal is identifying programmatic approach (e.g.,
speech-rule-engine attaching its output as labels)

  * Volker: working with Benetech on improvements, Mozilla funding for
Clearspeak
    * but also MathJax v3.0 revamp of internal model
    * a bit like 'finding the "optimal" math json format'

* Charles:

    * Benetech work with Volker on 2dim structures (Equation arrays,
complex layout, reading it well etc)
    * epub accessibility certification work
      * coming up with 5/6 different variations of putting it in there
      * eg. image with alt, aria-details, aria-describedby with hidden
MathML etc
      * creating epub samples with variations
      * testing via DAISY evaluation
      * developing guidelines
    * if there's interest, we can share this

* Daniel:
  * general comment: should clarify if we're talking current state of
mathematics (images+alttext etc) but we should also talk about the future
    * and be clear about when we mean which
  * priority for me: future of math display
    * I'm interested in "static" rendering in HTML5: one output, that works
on all devices
    * we probably need web standards that need changing
      * e.g., stretchy chars
  * future of math accessibility
    * tests with ChromeVox, NVDA on Edge ok
    * VoiceOver fails badly for me
      * Volker: curious: which browser? [iOS, i.e., Safari]
    * I don't think a11y should be responsibility of the AT but part of the
content
    * since mathml is limited, we cannot expect good results from AT
      * Peter: interested in layout, too. Just no time.

  * Kevin: writing an ebook, interested in accessibility and what Charles
said
    * Charles: will send out samples
      * Peter: is there documentation?
        * Charles: the markup in the book.

* Peter: a11y task force scheduling: Charles and Jason likely can't make
that time
  *  maybe keep next meeting and try later time for one after?
    * maybe not worth it since Volker & Charles will be traveling to CSUN
  * => keep next two meetings as is & identify alternative time

Re: Various Math in EPUB Examples to test

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • February 03, 2017 • Permalink

Thanks for sharing, Charles!

On Feb 2, 2017 8:13 PM, "Charles LaPierre" <charlesl@benetech.org> wrote:

Hello everyone,
Well as promised here are six different alternatives to how to put mathML
inside an EPUB.  We would like you all to test all of them with as many
different readers and assistive technologies and let us know what you like,
what you don’t like, and if there are any other combinations we should
explore.

All of these examples have the same 19 equations in an ordered list but
have been marked up differently.
Below the links is my findings with Voice Over on a Mac with iBooks.

Altimg_epub3.epub
<https://benetech.box.com/s/mqpjsl242jl440tr6kdz7adh0f3ehrq7> This EPUB has
MathML which contains a fallback PNG image with Alt-Text inside the MathML

Ariadescribedby_epub3.epub
<https://benetech.box.com/s/z1c2abiuom7ryne9xo6kyegd7ofzj6v7> This EPUB has
a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to
a hidden div containing the MathML. (This MathML has no alt image nor has
an alttext description)

Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3.epub
<https://benetech.box.com/s/hhjnkapsk0rjgz5xnltsu2fbilirygl5> This EPUB has
a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to
a hidden div containing the MathML which has embedded in it an alttext
description.

BasicEPUB3.epub
<https://benetech.box.com/s/wahkyhhnclwimejmho3phskn1e8ngwxw> This EPUB has
MathML which only has an alttext fallback within the MathML, There is no
altimage fallback.

MathMLCloud_epub3.epub
<https://benetech.box.com/s/ir8l4q57u14i0jxnmxxds96ci4g3bvl4> This EPUB has
a clickable PNG Image of the math which links to the MathML Cloud’s copy of
this same equation which could be explored on the web using MathJax and
AT.  It also has Alt describing the image and commented out MathML

Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3.epub
<https://benetech.box.com/s/tpnobqhefqywrecp4zutbko8d62xrfv6> This EPUB
shows what Wiley is currently doing which is a PNG Image of the math
equation with Alt describing the equation and commented out MathML


Mac with Voice Over with IBOOKS (I was unable to explore any of the
equations within iBooks using Voice Over)
Altimg_epub3: Repeats the List number of the list for each element of the
math equation. Eg 3.) x + y = 2 would say  x3 +3 y3 =3 2 3.  I suspect this
is a very bad Voice Over bug with Lists
Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after
describing the image.
Ariadescribedby_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after
describing the image.
BasicEPUB3: Repeats the List number in the list for each element of the
math equation.
MathMLCloud_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing
the image.
Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after
describing the image.

Thanks
EOM

Charles LaPierre
Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible
E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org
Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y
Skype: charles_lapierre
Phone: 650-600-3301 <(650)%20600-3301>

Various Math in EPUB Examples to test

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Charles LaPierre (charlesl@benetech.org) • February 02, 2017 • Permalink

Hello everyone,
Well as promised here are six different alternatives to how to put mathML inside an EPUB.  We would like you all to test all of them with as many different readers and assistive technologies and let us know what you like, what you don’t like, and if there are any other combinations we should explore.

All of these examples have the same 19 equations in an ordered list but have been marked up differently.
Below the links is my findings with Voice Over on a Mac with iBooks.

Altimg_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/mqpjsl242jl440tr6kdz7adh0f3ehrq7> This EPUB has MathML which contains a fallback PNG image with Alt-Text inside the MathML

Ariadescribedby_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/z1c2abiuom7ryne9xo6kyegd7ofzj6v7> This EPUB has a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to a hidden div containing the MathML. (This MathML has no alt image nor has an alttext description)

Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/hhjnkapsk0rjgz5xnltsu2fbilirygl5> This EPUB has a PNG Image with an Alt description and an ARIA-describedby which points to a hidden div containing the MathML which has embedded in it an alttext description.

BasicEPUB3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/wahkyhhnclwimejmho3phskn1e8ngwxw> This EPUB has MathML which only has an alttext fallback within the MathML, There is no altimage fallback.

MathMLCloud_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/ir8l4q57u14i0jxnmxxds96ci4g3bvl4> This EPUB has a clickable PNG Image of the math which links to the MathML Cloud’s copy of this same equation which could be explored on the web using MathJax and AT.  It also has Alt describing the image and commented out MathML

Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3.epub<https://benetech.box.com/s/tpnobqhefqywrecp4zutbko8d62xrfv6> This EPUB shows what Wiley is currently doing which is a PNG Image of the math equation with Alt describing the equation and commented out MathML


Mac with Voice Over with IBOOKS (I was unable to explore any of the equations within iBooks using Voice Over)
Altimg_epub3: Repeats the List number of the list for each element of the math equation. Eg 3.) x + y = 2 would say  x3 +3 y3 =3 2 3.  I suspect this is a very bad Voice Over bug with Lists
Ariadescribedbyalttextepub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image.
Ariadescribedby_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image.
BasicEPUB3: Repeats the List number in the list for each element of the math equation.
MathMLCloud_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image.
Wiley_MathML_Sample_epub3: Reads the equations and says “image” after describing the image.

Thanks
EOM

Charles LaPierre
Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible
E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>
Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y
Skype: charles_lapierre
Phone: 650-600-3301



Re: Math a11y TF meeting & schedule

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • February 02, 2017 • Permalink

I forgot on detail for the task force meeting:

We will meet using appear.in/mathonweb as well.

Peter.

PS: Thanks to Jason for spotting this.


On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Peter Krautzberger <
peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote:

> Hi Charles,
>
> > I would like to attend
>
> That's great!
>
> > isn’t that the same time as the DPUB weekly meeting at 17:00 UTC on
> Mondays?
>
> Sorry, I should have given the time in UTC (though summer time always gets
> in the way).
>
> It's 10:00 UTC, i.e., 1am your time.
>
> So let's see if we can figure something out on Thursday's meeting.
> Peter.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Oh Bummer, I would like to attend but isn’t that the same time as the
>> DPUB weekly meeting at 17:00 UTC on Mondays?
>>
>> Thanks
>> EOM
>>
>> Charles LaPierre
>> Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible
>> E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org
>> Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y
>> Skype: charles_lapierre
>> Phone: 650-600-3301 <(650)%20600-3301>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Peter Krautzberger <
>> peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi MathOnWeb CG,
>>
>> The a11y task force (right now: Volker, Daniel, and myself) will be
>> meeting
>>
>> *every other Monday at 11am Central European time*
>>
>> The next meeting will be *Feb 13, 2017.*
>>
>> If you are interested in participating and this time does not work for
>> you, please let us know.
>>
>> Best,
>> Peter.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Math a11y TF meeting & schedule

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • February 01, 2017 • Permalink

Hi Charles,

> I would like to attend

That's great!

> isn’t that the same time as the DPUB weekly meeting at 17:00 UTC on
Mondays?

Sorry, I should have given the time in UTC (though summer time always gets
in the way).

It's 10:00 UTC, i.e., 1am your time.

So let's see if we can figure something out on Thursday's meeting.
Peter.



On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org>
wrote:

> Oh Bummer, I would like to attend but isn’t that the same time as the DPUB
> weekly meeting at 17:00 UTC on Mondays?
>
> Thanks
> EOM
>
> Charles LaPierre
> Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible
> E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org
> Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y
> Skype: charles_lapierre
> Phone: 650-600-3301 <(650)%20600-3301>
>
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Peter Krautzberger <
> peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote:
>
> Hi MathOnWeb CG,
>
> The a11y task force (right now: Volker, Daniel, and myself) will be
> meeting
>
> *every other Monday at 11am Central European time*
>
> The next meeting will be *Feb 13, 2017.*
>
> If you are interested in participating and this time does not work for
> you, please let us know.
>
> Best,
> Peter.
>
>
>

Re: Math a11y TF meeting & schedule

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Charles LaPierre (charlesl@benetech.org) • February 01, 2017 • Permalink

Oh Bummer, I would like to attend but isn’t that the same time as the DPUB weekly meeting at 17:00 UTC on Mondays?

Thanks
EOM

Charles LaPierre
Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible
E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>
Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y
Skype: charles_lapierre
Phone: 650-600-3301



On Feb 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org<mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>> wrote:

Hi MathOnWeb CG,

The a11y task force (right now: Volker, Daniel, and myself) will be meeting

every other Monday at 11am Central European time

The next meeting will be Feb 13, 2017.

If you are interested in participating and this time does not work for you, please let us know.

Best,
Peter.

Math a11y TF meeting & schedule

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • February 01, 2017 • Permalink

Hi MathOnWeb CG,

The a11y task force (right now: Volker, Daniel, and myself) will be meeting

*every other Monday at 11am Central European time*

The next meeting will be *Feb 13, 2017.*

If you are interested in participating and this time does not work for you,
please let us know.

Best,
Peter.

next meeting / 2017 schedule

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • January 27, 2017 • Permalink

Hi everyone,

Given the feedback on Doodle, Daniel and I have decided to try out a new
schedule this year:

We'll meet *bi-weekly on Thursdays at 12pm East Coast Time.*

To kick things off, the next meeting will be

*Feb 2, 2017, 12pm EST*

To simplify the meeting tech, let's try *appear.in <http://appear.in>. *

I've "claimed" https://appear.in/mathonweb for the group's convenience.

Please try it out before the meeting.

See you next week,
Peter.

Re: Applications that use MathML

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Gunter Königsmann (gunter@peterpall.de) • January 26, 2017 • Permalink

> why not also apply the clipboard specs of chapter 6 of MathML?
wxMaxima 16.12.2 (released only a few hours ago) should do that.

Kind regards,

 Gunter.



Re: Applications that use MathML

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Bert Bos (bert@w3.org) • January 26, 2017 • Permalink


> On 26 Jan 2017, at 19:49, Gunter Königsmann <gunter@peterpall.de> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I've added wxMaxima.
> Thanks a lot!
>> 
>> Are you sure Maxima itself, without wxMaxima, can output MathML? I don't
>> see any mention of MathML in the documentation.
> The documentation about this has been added quite recently so you might
> be using a version that doesn't tell so. But Support for MathML has been
> there for a long time and I've originally only added it to wxMaxima in
> order to find out what it is good for:
> 
> (%i2)    load("alt-display.mac")$
>    set_alt_display(2,mathml_display)$
> (%i3)    sin(a/b);
> <math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML"> <mi>mlabel</mi>
>     <mfenced separators=""><msub><mi>%o</mi> <mn>3</mn></msub>
>     <mo>,</mo><mi>sin</mi> <mfenced separators=""><mfrac><mrow>
>     <mi>a</mi> </mrow> <mrow><mi>b</mi> </mrow></mfrac> </mfenced>
> </mfenced> </math>

Indeed, that works. And I see it’s in the documentation, too, now that I know I have to look under alt-display...

I added Maxima in https://www.w3.org/Math/wiki/Tools#Scientific_Computation



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Re: Applications that use MathML

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Paul Libbrecht (paul@hoplahup.net) • January 26, 2017 • Permalink

Gunter,

why not also apply the clipboard specs of chapter 6 of MathML?
Currently, at least on MacOSX, the clipboard only contains the source; you would simply add the MathML-flavours as named there.

This works very well with MS Word which can also copy to MathML (thank you Murray and the MS Team for the responsiveness to bring it back!).

paul



> On 26 Jan 2017, at 19:49, Gunter Königsmann <gunter@peterpall.de> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I've added wxMaxima.
> Thanks a lot!
>> 
>> Are you sure Maxima itself, without wxMaxima, can output MathML? I don't
>> see any mention of MathML in the documentation.
> The documentation about this has been added quite recently so you might
> be using a version that doesn't tell so. But Support for MathML has been
> there for a long time and I've originally only added it to wxMaxima in
> order to find out what it is good for:
> 
> (%i2)    load("alt-display.mac")$
>    set_alt_display(2,mathml_display)$
> (%i3)    sin(a/b);
> <math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML"> <mi>mlabel</mi>
>     <mfenced separators=""><msub><mi>%o</mi> <mn>3</mn></msub>
>     <mo>,</mo><mi>sin</mi> <mfenced separators=""><mfrac><mrow>
>     <mi>a</mi> </mrow> <mrow><mi>b</mi> </mrow></mfrac> </mfenced>
> </mfenced> </math>
> 
> I was quite surprised that this allows seamless integration into MS Word
> - and I have also filed a but against libreOffice as this program's
> equation editor has a MathML import, but doesn't automatically activate
> it on encountering MathML.
> 
> Thanks again,
> and
> Kind regards,
> 
>    Gunter.
> 


Re: Applications that use MathML

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Gunter Königsmann (gunter@peterpall.de) • January 26, 2017 • Permalink

>
> I've added wxMaxima.
Thanks a lot!
>
> Are you sure Maxima itself, without wxMaxima, can output MathML? I don't
> see any mention of MathML in the documentation.
The documentation about this has been added quite recently so you might
be using a version that doesn't tell so. But Support for MathML has been
there for a long time and I've originally only added it to wxMaxima in
order to find out what it is good for:

(%i2)    load("alt-display.mac")$
    set_alt_display(2,mathml_display)$
(%i3)    sin(a/b);
<math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML"> <mi>mlabel</mi>
     <mfenced separators=""><msub><mi>%o</mi> <mn>3</mn></msub>
     <mo>,</mo><mi>sin</mi> <mfenced separators=""><mfrac><mrow>
     <mi>a</mi> </mrow> <mrow><mi>b</mi> </mrow></mfrac> </mfenced>
 </mfenced> </math>

I was quite surprised that this allows seamless integration into MS Word
- and I have also filed a but against libreOffice as this program's
equation editor has a MathML import, but doesn't automatically activate
it on encountering MathML.

Thanks again,
and
Kind regards,

    Gunter.



Re: Applications that use MathML

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Bert Bos (bert@w3.org) • January 26, 2017 • Permalink

On Friday, August 19, 2016 8:23:38 AM CET Gunter Königsmann wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> https://www.w3.org/Math/wiki/Tools contains a list of Scientific
> Computation tools that support MathML.
> 
> Would it be possible to add the following two?
> 
>  - Maxima (http://maxima.sourceforge.net) is a quite powerful computer
> algebra system that can be told to output the results in Presentation
> and Content MathML.
>  - wxMaxima (https://github.com/andrejv/wxmaxima/) is a feature-rich
> graphical frontend for maxima that provides its own "Copy as MathML"
> feature (Presentation only).
> Both Programs are Open-Source (GPL).
> 
> Seems like one has to be a member of an organization in order to get
> write access at the Wiki so I cannot add these programs myself.

Sorry for the late response.

I've added wxMaxima.

Are you sure Maxima itself, without wxMaxima, can output MathML? I don't 
see any mention of MathML in the documentation.



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Re: Scheduling in 2017

Source: public-mathonwebpages@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • December 15, 2016 • Permalink

Hi MathOnWeb CG,

Just a quick reminder that we have two open doodles:

1) Frequency (weekly/biweekly/monthly) http://doodle.com/poll/
bmhzfi5ikg2ph3h3

2) day&time (Mon-Fri, 10am-3pm Eastern Time) http://doodle.com/poll/
7kngku9z4hifrik7

Please take the time to respond to them.

Best regards,
Peter.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Peter Krautzberger <
peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> As mentioned in the minutes to the last meeting, we want to discuss a
> change of schedule for the CG.
>
> I've created two doodles for this:
>
> 1) Frequency (weekly/biweekly/monthly) http://doodle.com/poll/
> bmhzfi5ikg2ph3h3
>
> 2) day&time (Mon-Fri, 10am-3pm Eastern Time) http://doodle.com/poll/
> 7kngku9z4hifrik7
>
> As usual, please ignore the specific dates in 2) and only consider the
> weekday.
>
> Best regards,
> Peter.
>

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