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CSUN Conference: Math accessibility in Browsers, Word, and Beyond

Source: Design Science News • Bob Mathews • March 02, 2015 • Permalink

Neil Soiffer will be presenting A Survey of Math Accessibility in 2015: Browsers, Word, and Beyond next later this week at the 30th Annual International Technology & Persons With Disabilities Conference in San Diego. During the presentation, he will survey the current status of math accessibility in browsers, Word, and other applications. His talk will include our vision for accessible math and an exciting product announcement that will help students who are blind or who have visual impairments learn, practice, and take math and science tests on a more equal footing with their classroom peers. If you're unable to attend the CSUN Conference, watch for the announcement on this blog.

In addition to the presentation, Neil will participate in a panel discussion on Latest Developments in Accessible Math in Browsers. Both of these sessions will be on Thursday March 5, with the presentation being at 2:20 PM and the panel at 3:20.

Not going to be in San Diego on the 5th? That's OK. Well post the special announcement here and after the conference we'll post the presentation on our Events page where you can also find information about other events at which Design Science will be present.

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[Minutes] 2015-03-02 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Thierry MICHEL (tmichel@w3.org) • March 02, 2015 • Permalink

Hi all,

The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference 
dated 2015-03-02 are now available at

     http://www.w3.org/2015/03/02-dpub-minutes.html

These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
     http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings

Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.

Best,

Thierry Michel

----------------------------------------------


    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

             Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

02 Mar 2015

    [2]Agenda

       [2] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Mar/0000.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2015/03/02-dpub-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Alan Stearns (Stearns), Tzviya Siegman (tzviya), Brady
           Duga (duga), Charles LaPierre (clapierre),  Dave Cramer
           (dauwhe), Nick Ruffilo (NickRuffilo),  Ivan Herman
           (ivan),  Peter Kreutzberger (pkra), Karen Myers (Karen),
           Deborah Kaplan (dkaplan3), Julie Morris (Julie_Morris),
           Bill Kasdorf (Bill_Kasdorf), Ayla Stein (Ayla_Stein),
           Thierry Michel (tmichel), Ben De Meester (bjdmeest),
           Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Markus Gylling (Markus), Mike
           Miller (MikeMiller), Tim Cole (TimCole), Vladimir
           Levantovsky (vlad), Kawakubo (kwkbtr),  Shinyu Murakami
           (murakami), Laura Fowler (lfowler), David Stroup
           (david_stroup), Liza Daly (liza),+1.585.217.aaee,
           +1.617.426.aaaa, +1.217.300.aabb,
           +1.781.970.aacc,+1.646.336.aadd.

    Regrets
           Luc Audrain, Phil Madans, Heather Flanagan

    Chair
           Tzviya Siegman (tzviya)

    Scribe
           Nick Ruffilo

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Houdini
          2. [6]call for comments from CSS WG on CSS fragmentation
             module level 3
          3. [7]epub3.1 work plan
          4. [8]IDPF Workplans
      * [9]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

    <trackbot> Date: 02 March 2015

    <NickRuffilo> What are the dial-in instructions again?

    <NickRuffilo> OK i found it, thanks

    <NickRuffilo> Anyone know a web-based way to dial in to the
    call?

    <ivan> scribenick: NickRuffilo

    <tzviya> scribenick: NickRuffilo

    <ivan> scribe: Nick

    I may have to quickly exit, as I have contractors working on my
    heating system, if so, I'll type "!!!!!!"

    Otherwise I'll be scribe for today

    Any notes as first-time scribe? just write what people say?

    Ivan, I'm here

    TY

    <astearns> NickRuffilo: summarize, and don't be shy about
    telling people to shut up so you can catch up

    scribe: Scratch Nick from Regrets list

    <tzviya> [10]http://www.w3.org/2015/02/23-dpub-minutes.html

      [10] http://www.w3.org/2015/02/23-dpub-minutes.html

    Tzviya: "review the minutes from last week, any comments? Alan
    posted something on the list about packaging"
    ...: "Minutes approved..."

Houdini

    ...: "Turn over to Alan and Dave. The magic of CSS + Houdini.
    VINI VIDI VICI"

    "I was at the houdini meeting. Goal is to extend CSS. Cover big
    black box where stuff goes in, stuff comes out. If magic isn't
    what you want, it is difficult to make changes"

    "goal of houdini is to make a script to make it easier to
    understand how a browser lays things out."

    "Lots of things about properties and exposing the parser..."

    <ivan> s/"I was"/Alan: "I was"/

    "Script to be able to handle the new stuff. Also more
    complicated things like exposing where things are being drawn
    in a more robust way than we are doing so far. Also letting
    scripts determine where things will be drawn, or letting
    scripts change the way things are handled. Custom layouts..."

    <astearns>
    [11]http://www.mail-archive.com/dev-servo@lists.mozilla.org/msg
    01131.html

      [11] 
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev-servo@lists.mozilla.org/msg01131.html

    scribe: "Simon Sapin gave a great introduction (link above)
    summarized each of the documents the task for will be working
    on."
    ... "The sense I got was - bunch of enthusiasm, no public NOs,
    but lots of private skeptisism"
    ... "This is a thing to keep track of, to make sure people
    aren't going overboard, but probably less than 1/2 of what was
    discussed will see movement in the next year or so"
    ... "Hopefully I will find others who are interested in pushing
    the little bits and plumbing related items."

    Charles: ? "Red flag - was there any talk of accessibility in
    any of thisLaPierre "

    Alan: "It was discussed, some of this stuff could be useful for
    accessiblity. One message posted to the list yesterday, was
    allowing in custom-layout, having custom line-break. More
    sophisticated outline for better line measures. People are
    doing this today - on canvas - so it loses accessibility."
    ...: "If there is a way to hook into the actual drawing of the
    text, it can make the text displayed nicer with more
    accessibility. But it's always something to consider. Custom
    boxes need to be full citizens with full access, etc..."

    Tzviya: "Dave/alan - can you give us an idea of how this might
    affect digital pub - near/long term."

    <tzviya> vivliostyle summary of Houdini:
    [12]http://vivliostyle.com/2015/02/sydney

      [12] http://vivliostyle.com/2015/02/sydney

    Alan: "Near term there is a new - vivliostyle - that is looking
    to put pagination on top of existing browser using scripting.
    Some of the low-level elements are what they need in order to
    make a 'nice' reading experience in the browser. They were in
    the meeting and will be involved. Their work will be
    accelerated if the lower-level work gets going"
    ....: "Longer term, it may be that some engines that do not
    immediately support a paginated view, but allow a paginated
    view through custom scripts, etc. Some engines may go that
    route."

    Peter: ? "Is the following helpful: I'm in the process of
    organizing in the MathML group - how can MathML move closer to
    other standards? There is lots of duplication. Are these useful
    use-cases for this group that could be related? Altmetrics? API
    has there been any discussion on that?"

    <dauwhe> Peter Linss reports on the Houdini meeting to the TAG:
    [13]https://github.com/w3ctag/meetings/blob/gh-pages/2015/telco
    ns/02-26-houdini-minutes.md#css-extensibilityhoudini

      [13] 
https://github.com/w3ctag/meetings/blob/gh-pages/2015/telcons/02-26-houdini-minutes.md#css-extensibilityhoudini

    Alan: "Going over what voids what MathML needs is a terrific
    topic for the Houdini group. If there are extensions to CSS
    that MathML needs, thats useful. On FontMetrics? that is the
    one document I'm on the hook for, so I'd really like to see
    your requirements about what measurments you'd need from the
    fonts. Also, where you'd need the used-font-info to be used."

    <david_stroup> I'm 585.217

    Alan: "All the info in the world isn't useful if you don't know
    what the browser is actually using. And where they're drawing
    the fonts in the font box."

    Peter - ** Action item - send MathML interests to be discussed
    with the Houdini group

    <tzviya> action gather font metric info from MathWG for Houdini

    <trackbot> Error finding 'gather'. You can review and register
    nicknames at <[14]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.

      [14] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users

    <ivan> action pkra to gather font metric info from the MathWG
    for Houdini

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Gather font metric info from the
    mathwg for houdini [on Peter Krautzberger - due 2015-03-09].

    Tzviya: "Question to all - what would you like from DPUB going
    forward?"

    Alan? : "If any of you are involved with scripting projects
    that do custom layouts/drawing, that CSS doesn't do today, if
    there are problems/hacks, please let us know/post them to
    Houdini. Will help guide the work that we are doing."
    ...: "Microsoft group is heavily interested in Pagination... As
    with DigiPub..."

    Ivan: "Question is - what kind of time do you expect before we
    will see a result that the publishing world can directly use?
    Taking into account the real-interest from the core
    web-engine/browser vendors..."

    Alan: "Too early to guess. Hasn't been movements on the
    documents since the meeting ended. Best scenario is some
    movement on custom properties in the next few months. The
    adoption will make CSS polyfills MUCH easier to create."
    ...: "Then might see some movement on other items, like
    FontMetrics, but those are the only ones we'll see adoption in
    the next year or so. The rest are long-term planning."
    ... "I'm being pessimistic..."

    Dave: "One more possibly helpful thing - if people see some of
    these ideas as being useful to them - talk to the iBooks team
    couldn't hurt anyway.
    ...: "Would get webkit to work on some of these features..."
    ... "Also note that Houdini was discussed at the tags meeting
    as well."
    ... "IRC logs for that meeting [can someone post link?] might
    provide some useful perspective"

call for comments from CSS WG on CSS fragmentation module level 3

    Tzviya: "Next time - call for comments on Working Draft of CSS
    Fragmentation Module Level 3"

    <tzviya> [15]http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-break/

      [15] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-break/

    <pkra> bedtime reading.

    !!!!!! - have to go, scribe out

    <ivan> scribenick: tzviya

    <ivan> scribenick: liza

    <tzviya> volunteers to review and comment: brady, liza

    <ivan> scribenick: tzviya

    <liza> SOUNDS THRILLING

    ivan: how does this relate to Houdini?

    astearns: Rossen sees a need for additional breaking
    opportunities, but needs to fill in what that need is

    tzviya: will the fragmentation spec serve as a stop-gap?

    astearns: Frag spec includes some really good information for
    how to break pages, etc. But, Brady's use cases have many more
    requirements
    ... such as letting a script know where a page starts
    ... this will be filled in by Houdini in the Fragment Tree doc

    <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe

    <ivan> scribenick: dauwhe

epub3.1 work plan

IDPF Workplans

    tzviya: this came up at edupub meeting in sunny Arizona

    <Ayla_Stein> Wait until May/June

    <ivan> scribenick: NickRuffilo

    <dauwhe> scribenick: NickRuffilo

    <pbelfanti> Apologies, I need to drop

    <ivan> Markus' slides from the meeting:
    [16]http://bit.ly/1AwoYW4

      [16] http://bit.ly/1AwoYW4

    Tzviya: "Epub 3.1 was released severl months ago. Bug fixes,
    and ISO wording + backwards compatibiliyt. Marcus opened up
    floor for next version. There was lots of discussion about what
    might be done, no formal decisions. 3d format as a core media
    type. Migration of epub type to role attribute. Expression
    extended presentations from doc..."
    ...: "One example - using the filmstrip to see what document
    looks like on the inside. Some possible deprication of things
    for epub - such as switch tag. No discussion on timeline, so
    not sure when work is getting started."

    <pkra> yes.
    ...: "Goal of ePub 3 is to go in a webby-ier direction. So the
    work is towards a convergence."

    Brady: "At this point, we're still trying to decide what the
    direction of 3.1 is, so if you have a voice, we can hear it.
    Gathering requirements is now. Not sure on direction as we're
    listening."

    Tzviya: If you think something is missing, please comment. CSS
    Profile?
    ... Contact Marcus with your thoughts/suggestions. No official
    timeline

    <david_stroup> Apologies, I need to drop as well...

    Bill_Kasdorf_Kasdorf: Instead of providing ways to embed more
    and more metadata within the epub, be able to embed a link to
    an authoritative service [nick - such as DOI, etc]
    ...: One reason I bring this up, is that it relates to recent
    identifiers work
    ... Grand total of 1 volunteer for Identifier work, so if you
    want to help PLEASE do

    Ivan: "Was on the road + Thierry was on vacations. I will work
    with you."

    Thierry: "I have created the Identifier wiki : Link below:"

    <tmichel> the identifiers wiki is linked from the wiki main
    page

    <tmichel> [17]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Main_Page

      [17] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Main_Page

    <tmichel> and is available at
    [18]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/identifiers

      [18] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/identifiers

    Julie: "Are there clear timelines on the taskforce page as to
    when they are starting?"

    Tzviya: "Cleanup is needed, we need to work on this. "

    ...: " This is the beginning of conference season, but we
    should work on updating timelines and making sure that data on
    the wiki is accurate"
    ... " Maybe next meeting have a check-in with task forces to
    ensure updated data."

Summary of Action Items

    [End of minutes]
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Re: [css-writing-modes-3] Writing-mode of alt text and replaced content of textarea, input type="text"

Source: www-style@w3.org Mail Archives • fantasai (fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net) • March 01, 2015 • Permalink

On 03/01/2015 02:31 PM, Gérard Talbot wrote:
> Koji, Elika,
>
> 1- alt text
>
> "
> The content of replaced elements do not rotate due to the writing mode: images, for example, remain upright. However replaced
> content involving text (such as MathML content or form elements) should match the replaced element’s writing mode and line
> orientation if the UA supports such a vertical writing mode for the replaced content.
> "
> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-writing-modes-3/#writing-mode
> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-writing-modes-3/#block-flow
>
> I see no normative information regarding the rendering of alt text of images inside a vertical writing-mode. Should I assume
> that alt text should be upright, sideways-right, etc.. when the block inside which the image is has also a correspondent
> text-orientation declaration?

> Eg
>
> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css-writing-modes-3_dev/nightly-unstable/html/replaced-content-image-002.htm
>
> and that test does not require a "should" flag.

The requirements for handling alt text are clearly specified in
   https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/rendering.html#images-2
This means that in most cases, the alt text should be rendered as regular none-replaced inline text.
In some cases it may be rendered as a replaced element containing text,
and that text SHOULD obey the writing mode, as described in CSS3 Writing Modes.

> 2- input text, textarea
>
> "
> The content of replaced elements do not rotate due to the writing mode: images, for example, remain upright. However replaced
> content involving text (such as MathML content or form elements) should match the replaced element’s writing mode and line
> orientation if the UA supports such a vertical writing mode for the replaced content.
> "
> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-writing-modes-3/#writing-mode
> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-writing-modes-3/#block-flow
>
> Here, there is a "should". I wonder why it is not a "must" or a "UA are required to" kind of formulation.
>
> The Example 4 (form controls inside a block with vertical-rl writing mode) that follows is not suggesting that this is just
> recommended and not required.

I think it's a SHOULD because form controls are not always
fully under the control of the UA. (They may be under the
control of the OS.) So, in some cases it's not possible or
very difficult for the UA to do anything about this. However,
in most cases it should be possible to perform a graphical
transform at least on the part of the form control that is
embedded into the page, and that will at least allow the
UA to respond to the block direction.

RFC2119 SHOULD is I think adequate in this case. There are
reasons why a UA will not do this. But there have to be
good reasons.

~fantasai

[css-writing-modes-3] Writing-mode of alt text and replaced content of textarea, input type="text"

Source: www-style@w3.org Mail Archives • Gérard Talbot (www-style@gtalbot.org) • March 01, 2015 • Permalink

Koji, Elika,

1- alt text

"
The content of replaced elements do not rotate due to the writing mode: 
images, for example, remain upright. However replaced content involving 
text (such as MathML content or form elements) should match the replaced 
element’s writing mode and line orientation if the UA supports such a 
vertical writing mode for the replaced content.
"
http://www.w3.org/TR/css-writing-modes-3/#writing-mode
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-writing-modes-3/#block-flow

I see no normative information regarding the rendering of alt text of 
images inside a vertical writing-mode. Should I assume that alt text 
should be upright, sideways-right, etc.. when the block inside which the 
image is has also a correspondent text-orientation declaration?

Eg

http://test.csswg.org/suites/css-writing-modes-3_dev/nightly-unstable/html/replaced-content-image-002.htm

and that test does not require a "should" flag.


2- input text, textarea

"
The content of replaced elements do not rotate due to the writing mode: 
images, for example, remain upright. However replaced content involving 
text (such as MathML content or form elements) should match the replaced 
element’s writing mode and line orientation if the UA supports such a 
vertical writing mode for the replaced content.
"
http://www.w3.org/TR/css-writing-modes-3/#writing-mode
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-writing-modes-3/#block-flow

Here, there is a "should". I wonder why it is not a "must" or a "UA are 
required to" kind of formulation.

The Example 4 (form controls inside a block with vertical-rl writing 
mode) that follows is not suggesting that this is just recommended and 
not required.

Gérard

CFP CICM 2015 - Deadline Extension

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Serge Autexier (serge.autexier@dfki.de) • February 19, 2015 • Permalink

[Apologies if you have received multiple copies of this announcement]

Following a number of requests we have extended the submission deadlines
for CICM 2015 as follows:

                              OLD           NEW
Abstract submission deadline: Mon, 16 Feb   Wed, 25 Feb
Submission deadline:          Mon, 23 Feb   Mon,  2 Mar


Kind regards,
Manfred Kerber
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                              Call for Papers              

                Conference on Intelligent Computer Mathematics
                                 CICM 2015

                              13-17 July 2015
                            Washington DC, USA


Digital and computational solutions are becoming the prevalent means for the
generation, communication, processing, storage and curation of mathematical
information. Separate communities have developed to investigate and build
computer based systems for computer algebra, automated deduction, and
mathematical publishing as well as novel user interfaces. While all of these
systems excel in their own right, their integration can lead to synergies
offering significant added value. The Conference on Intelligent Computer
Mathematics (CICM) offers a venue for discussing and developing solutions 
to the great challenges posed by the integration of these diverse areas.

CICM has been held annually as a joint meeting since 2008, co-locating
related conferences and workshops to advance work in these
subjects. Previous meetings have been held in Birmingham (UK 2008),
Grand Bend (Canada 2009), Paris (France 2010), Bertinoro (Italy 2011),
Bremen (Germany 2012), Bath (UK 2013), and Coimbra (Portugal 2014).

This is a (short version of the) call for papers for CICM 2015, which
will be held in Washington, D.C., 13-17 July 2015.

The full version of the CFP is available from the conference web page at
http://cicm-conference.org/2015/cicm.php

**********************************************************************
The principal tracks of the conference will be:
**********************************************************************

* Calculemus (Symbolic Computation and Mechanised Reasoning)
  Chair: Jacques Carette
* DML (Digital Mathematical Libraries)
  Chair: Volker Sorge
* MKM (Mathematical Knowledge Management)
  Chair: Cezary Kaliszyk
* Systems and Data
  Chair: Florian Rabe

Publicity chair is Serge Autexier. The local arrangements will be
coordinated by the Local Arrangements Chairs, Bruce R. Miller
(National Institute of Standards and Technology, USA) and Abdou
Youssef (The George Washington University, Washington, D.C.), and the
overall programme will be organized by the General Programme Chair,
Manfred Kerber (U. Birmingham, UK).

As in previous years, it is anticipated that there will be a number
co-located workshops, including one to mentor doctoral students giving
presentations. We also solicit for project descriptions and
work-in-progress papers.

**********************************************************************
Important Dates
**********************************************************************

Conference submissions:
Abstract submission deadline:      25 February 2015
Submission deadline:                2 March    2015
Reviews sent to authors:            6 April    2015
Rebuttals due:                      9 April    2015
Notification of acceptance:        13 April    2015
Camera ready copies due:           27 April    2015
Conference:                     13-17 July     2015


Work-in-progress and Doctoral Programme submissions:
Submission deadline:
(Doctoral: Abstract+CV)             4 May      2015
Notification of acceptance:        25 May      2015
Camera ready copies due:            1 June     2015


More detailed information, e.g. on submission via EasyChair, can be found on
http://cicm-conference.org/2015/cicm.php

MathMl в HTML5 / Хабрахабр

Source: mathml - Google Blog Search • Sykoku • February 18, 2015 • Permalink

В нем появился новый контейнер <math> . Каждый допустимый экземпляр MathML должен быть внутри этого контейнера. Он не допускает вложений, но внутри может быть произвольное число других дочерних ...

Math Language Tag

Source: Murray Sargent: Math in Office • MurrayS3 • February 14, 2015 • Permalink

To guide proofing tools to use the correct dictionaries and autocorrect lists as well as to display preferred glyphs, it’s very handy to associate language tags with text runs. For many years, Windows has provided a language tag property called the LCID (locale identifier) consisting of a 32-bit unsigned integer. The LCID suffices for many purposes. But as time has gone on, more and more languages have been supported on computers and finer distinctions have been needed than provided by the LCID’s primary and secondary languages and sort order. Accordingly the BCP 47 language tag was invented, which offers great generality and flexibility. This post discusses how language tags are important for math zones and proposes a BCP 47 tag for math.

First, a couple of general comments about LCID deprecation in favor of BCP 47 tags: there are a myriad documents that use LCIDs and they aren’t going away any time soon. There are also many published APIs and programs that currently use LCIDs. So for backward compatibility we need to continue to support LCIDs even as we generalize programs to be fluent with BCP 47 tags. Fortunately modern XML-based document formats like Microsoft Word’s docx and PowerPoint’s pptx use BCP 47 language tags already.

Math zones need to have a language tag for three main reasons: 1) specify the math autocorrect list, 2) prevent natural language proofing tools from changing or commenting on mathematical text, and 3) identify mathematical text for math-oriented tools, such as equation solvers and graphing programs. Partly for these purposes, Windows created the math LCID 0x0001007F. In fact, the Microsoft Office math autocorrect file is named mso0127.acl, where 0127 = 0x007F. The question arises as to what the corresponding BCP 47 tag should be.

Note that file formats (HTML5, RTF, docx, pptx, odf, etc.) do not need a math language tag. Math zones are handled in structured ways by MathML, OMML, RTF and TeX. The math language tag is only needed for in-memory processing, such as for proofing tools.

The Windows functions LCIDtoLocaleName and LocaleNameToLCID translate between LCIDs and locale names, which are essentially BCP 47 language tags. These functions work faithfully for simple BCP 47 tags such as “en-US” for English as used for the most part in the United States of America. But they fail for BCP 47 tags that don’t have LCIDs. Interestingly enough, the functions do have a locale name for the math LCID 0x0001007F, namely “x-IV_mathan”. This choice has to do with the way the LCID is used in sorting the math alphanumerics. The ‘x’ means private use, which is not appropriate for text interchange and the underscore is illegal in BCP 47 syntax. So “x-IV_mathan” isn’t appropriate for a math BCP 47 language tag. LCIDtoLocaleName clearly needs to continue to return this tag, but proofing programs can use a more suitable tag.

A BCP 47 tag consists of one or more subtags separated by hyphens. The first subtag is the human language subtag, e.g., “en” for English. It’s interesting to ponder whether math is a human language. Certainly math has been created by humans to communicate a wealth of ideas and relationships. But in the ISO-639 or BCP 47 sense, math isn’t a human language and ISO and IANA would never add a language subtag for math. Accordingly, let’s use the currently defined “und” for “undefined language”. What really identifies a BCP 47 tag for math is the math ISO script subtag, which is “Zmth”. So the proposed math BCP 47 language tag is “und-Zmth”. Thanks are due to several people on the Unicode Technical Committee who recommended this choice (Steven Loomis, Peter Constable, Mark Davis).

Math is usually associated with a natural language substrate, like English, and different substrates may use different typographical features. For example, in Europe it’s common to use an upright i or j for the square root of -1, whereas in the United States of America, a math italic 𝑖 or 𝑗 is used. In Russia, limits of integrals in display math zones are usually displayed above and below the integral sign instead of to-the-side like superscripts and subscripts. OMML (Office MathML) has ways to specify these properties on a document level, while MathML needs to “hard wire” them in each math zone. In some Arabic locales, right-to-left math is used. While an enhanced math language tag might be useful for identifying such differences, they are probably better handled in other ways, such as by default document properties. Substrate language text that appears inside a math zone, such as in

is tagged with the corresponding BCP 47 tag. In this case, the “if” is tagged with “en-US” while the rest of the math zone would use “und-Zmth”. That way embedded normal text is manipulated using the appropriate proofing language and the math text is handled by math proofing tools.

Re: [clipboard API] platform integration stuff - in spec or out of scope?

Source: public-webapps@w3.org Mail Archives • James M. Greene (james.m.greene@gmail.com) • February 11, 2015 • Permalink

We never really came to a decision on if RTF ("application/rtf") should be
listed as a mandatory MIME type but the general consensus seemed to be
leaning toward "yes":
   https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013OctDec/0197.html

Sincerely,
    James Greene


On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Hallvord Reiar Michaelsen Steen <
hsteen@mozilla.com> wrote:

>
> I don't know what these "map to" on platforms that do not use MIME types
> to describe clipboard contents. Should this information be dug up and
> included?
>
>
>> First request: can we add the three MathML media-types?
>>
>
> I know you've brought this up before, I haven't done anything about it and
> it's partly because I'm not actually sure myself what an implementation
> would have to do to "support" a data type..
>
>
>> I think I could help dig the names out by looking at the following
>> documents:
>>
>>
> That would be absolutely terrific Paul - maybe make a wiki page or
> etherpad somewhere? It would really help me - coming more from the
> JavaScript side of things I can figure out and describe how all the
> JavaScript stuff works, but it's much harder to determine how the platform
> side needs to be specified.
>
>
>> -
>> http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/understanding_utis/
>> -
>> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.dataformats.aspx
>>
>> Also, some specs and media-type-registration RFCs indicate the names in
>> the native formats.
>> I think this would be the right place to hunt too  (I know that MathML
>> and SVG do).
>> Probably it'll never be complete (e.g. I do not think
>> application/octet-stream can have a name on clipboards).
>>
>
> So..  If the most important platforms do not have a clipboard format or
> description for a specific MIME type, does that mean telling
> implementations to "support" it is meaningless? Sort of seems like it..
> -Hallvord
>

MKM, Calculemus and DML (CICM 2015): 2nd CfP, Invited Speakers & Workshops

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Serge Autexier (serge.autexier@dfki.de) • February 03, 2015 • Permalink

                             2nd Call for Papers              

                Conference on Intelligent Computer Mathematics
                                 CICM 2015

                              13-17 July 2015
                            Washington DC, USA


Digital and computational solutions are becoming the prevalent means for the
generation, communication, processing, storage and curation of mathematical
information. Separate communities have developed to investigate and build
computer based systems for computer algebra, automated deduction, and
mathematical publishing as well as novel user interfaces. While all of these
systems excel in their own right, their integration can lead to synergies
offering significant added value. The Conference on Intelligent Computer
Mathematics (CICM) offers a venue for discussing and developing solutions 
to the great challenges posed by the integration of these diverse areas.

CICM has been held annually as a joint meeting since 2008, co-locating
related conferences and workshops to advance work in these
subjects. Previous meetings have been held in Birmingham (UK 2008),
Grand Bend (Canada 2009), Paris (France 2010), Bertinoro (Italy 2011),
Bremen (Germany 2012), Bath (UK 2013), and Coimbra (Portugal 2014).

This is a (short version of the) call for papers for CICM 2015, which
will be held in Washington, D.C., 13-17 July 2015.

The full version of the CFP is available from the conference web page at
http://cicm-conference.org/2015/cicm.php

**********************************************************************
Invited Speakers:
**********************************************************************

*  Leonardo de Moura, https://leodemoura.github.io/
   "Formalizing mathematics using the Lean Theorem Prover"
   (http://leanprover.github.io/)
*  Tobias Nipkow, http://www21.in.tum.de/~nipkow/
   "Analyzing the Archive of Formal Proofs"
*  Jim Pitman, http://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~pitman/
*  Richard Zanibbi, http://www.cs.rit.edu/~rlaz/
   "Math Search for the Masses: Multimodal Search 
    Interfaces and Appearance-Based Retrieval"

**********************************************************************
The principal tracks of the conference will be:
**********************************************************************

* Calculemus (Symbolic Computation and Mechanised Reasoning)
  Chair: Jacques Carette
* DML (Digital Mathematical Libraries)
  Chair: Volker Sorge
* MKM (Mathematical Knowledge Management)
  Chair: Cezary Kaliszyk
* Systems and Data
  Chair: Florian Rabe
* Doctoral Programme
  Chair: Umair Siddique

Publicity chair is Serge Autexier. The local arrangements will be
coordinated by the Local Arrangements Chairs, Bruce R. Miller
(National Institute of Standards and Technology, USA) and Abdou
Youssef (The George Washington University, Washington, D.C.), and the
overall programme will be organized by the General Programme Chair,
Manfred Kerber (U. Birmingham, UK).

As in previous years, we will have co-located workshops. Currently
planned are:

*  Formal Mathematics for Mathematicians
*  Theorem proving components for Educational software (ThEdu'15)
*  MathUI

Furthermore we will have a doctoral programme to mentor doctoral
students giving presentations and a tutorial on the generic proof
assistant Isabelle. We also solicit for project descriptions, surveys,
and work-in-progress papers.

**********************************************************************
Important Dates
**********************************************************************

Conference submissions:
Abstract submission deadline:      16 February 2015
Submission deadline:               23 February 2015
Reviews sent to authors:            6 April    2015
Rebuttals due:                      9 April    2015
Notification of acceptance:        13 April    2015
Camera ready copies due:           27 April    2015
Conference:                     13-17 July     2015


Work-in-progress and Doctoral Programme submissions:
Submission deadline:
(Doctoral: Abstract+CV)             4 May      2015
Notification of acceptance:        25 May      2015
Camera ready copies due:            1 June     2015


More detailed information, e.g. on submission via EasyChair 
and the Springer LNAI format, can be found on
http://cicm-conference.org/2015/cicm.php

[Minutes] 2015-02-02Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Thierry MICHEL (tmichel@w3.org) • February 02, 2015 • Permalink

Hi all,

The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference 
dated 2015-02-02 are now available at

     http://www.w3.org/2015/02/02-dpub-minutes.html

These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
     http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings

Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.

Best,

Thierry Michel

_____________________________________________________________________________________

    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

             Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

02 Feb 2015

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/02/02-dpub-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Markus Gylling (Markus), Julie Morris (Julie_Morris),
           Bill Kasdorf (Bill_Kasdorf), Shinyu Murakami (murakami),
           Thierry Michel (tmichel), Ben de Meester (bjdmeest),
           Heather Flanagan (HeatherF), Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),
           Ivan Herman (Ivan),  Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Mike Miller
           (MikeMiller), Charles LaPierre (clapierre), Nick Ruffilo
           (NickRuffilo), Dave Cramer (dauwhe), Deborah Kaplan
           (dkaplan3), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers),Peter Kreutzberger
           (pkra), Alan Stearns (Stearns), Liam Quin (Liam), Peter
           Linss (plinss), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Tim Cole
           (TimCole), Rego Casasnovas (rego), Luc Audrain
           (laudrain), Brady Duga (duga), Phil Madans (philm),
           Ralph Swick (Ralph), Bert Boss (Bert), mihnea, iank.

    Regrets

    Chair
           Markus

    Scribe
           Peter, Karen.

Contents

      * [3]Topics
      * [4]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

    <trackbot> Date: 02 February 2015

    <HeatherF> I'm having trouble dialing in to the zakim bridge
    today. It's not letting me reconnect.

    <tzviya> scribenick: pkra

    see what i did there

    mgylling: start off: objections to approving last week's
    minutes?

    <ivan> scribenick: pkra

    mgylling: none. Thanks.
    ... first part: EPUB-Web next steps.

    <tzviya> minutes:
    [5]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html

       [5] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html

    <tzviya> and I forgot to write a summary!

    mgylling: second part: short update from TFs

    <HeatherF> My IP calling to the zakim bridge is failing
    miserably this morning - I will email my update re: i18n info.

    mgylling: back in november, Ivan, mgylling published the white
    paper epub-web

    <ivan> [6]White paper

       [6] http://w3c.github.io/epubweb/

    mgylling: discussed in Santa Clara, some feedback otherwise.
    ... paints a vision for a future scenario of digital
    publishing.
    ... modernized view of portable documents, in the context of
    OWP
    ... how does it related to OWP, epub etc? Online and portable
    are not distinction but just states.
    ... to be clear: white paper, first attempt at future vision.
    No rec-trac, WG etc.
    ... what it's trying to get to: work on topics raised in the
    paper, functional requirements, use cases etc.
    ... then make informed decisions for next steps.
    ... after publication in November, will be co-published of IDPF
    and W3C with more exposure
    ... update is drafted right now

    <ivan> [7]Issue tracker

       [7] https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/issues

    mgylling: accompanying article to discuss prerequisites,
    business case etc is being worked on by Bill McCoy etc
    ... please review and provide feedback. Use the issue tracker.

    <tzviya> -->issue tracker:
    [8]https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/issues

       [8] https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/issues

    mgylling: Also: this Spring we want to start making informed
    decisions. This means getting the right stakeholders to the
    table.
    ... W3C and IDPF are not all there is. Would like to attract
    more.
    ... @group: how can you help us with outreach?
    ... first step is co-published version. Then bring it with us
    to LBF, BEA etc.

    <laudrain> How do you see relation with future version of EPUB3
    (3.1)?

    Nick: paper is well done already, very good mission statement.
    What is the intended goal for publishing the paper? Just bring
    more ppl to the table or other expected methods of
    communication? E.g., webinar to work through paper, online
    discussion etc.

    mgylling: re goals. Clarify: outreach or the work?

    Nick: is the goal of the paper to educate ppl in the group,
    bring in new ppl, something else?

    mgylling: find out how many organizations are interested in
    realizing the work.
    ... before starting work, it would be good to be in touch with
    the functional requirements. Right now "shallow" and we want to
    add more depth in terms of requirements.

    Ivan: re outreach. That's something we are discussing
    ourselves. So we're happy to get suggestions there as well.
    ... once we have the separate article, we will try to publish
    it somewhere, make more noise about it.
    ... then there are several events where we want to talk about
    it.
    ... with tzviya will be in Toronto. Ivan in Paris in March
    ... perhaps something for IDPF conf in NYC.
    ... if you have ideas, please share with us.
    ... webinar is something we should think about. But perhaps for
    a later point.

    Paul: is it on target for edpub in Phoenix?

    mgylling: no dedicated session but part of planning session.

    <Karen> +1 webinar; high-level or technical level

    dauwhe: would like to stress outreach to browser makers.
    Implementation challenge will exist. Getting feedback as early
    as possible would be wise.

    <tzviya> +1

    Ivan: yes, critical. we'll be using W3C contacts.

    tzviya: in background we've been discussing how the work we've
    been dealing with in the group touches this. In particular, the
    TF work.

    <ivan> +1 to Bill

    Bill_ in terms of outreach / evangelization: keep expectation
    management in mind, in particular with publishers. Ppl might
    think "this is the next epub" or "I better wait for this"

    scribe: we don't want that to happen.

    <Ralph> +1 to Bill

    scribe: if they see a new packaging spec in the W3C, then ppl
    shouldn't think "that's vs IDPF packaging" but rather: "these
    will converge"

    mgylling: important to provide joint timeline.

    Ivan: we're aiming exactly for something like that.

    Julie: comment: BISG should be able to help in various ways for
    outreach. E.g. content structure committee. I wonder if
    distilled version would be feasible. "10 things you need to
    know about epub-web now" with points that are important for
    publishing etc.

    <Karen> +1 higher level take-aways

    <clapierre1> +1

    Bill_ thanks, yes.

    laudrain: re new versions of epub3. How will e.g. epub3.1 be
    positioned vs epub-web?

    mgylling: next epub3 update is short term update, small
    iteration, backward compatible. Very distinct.

    tzviya: as mentioned in discussion: IDPF hoping to iterate epub
    while W3C iterates its work, and the two converge.

    <laudrain> +1

    TimCole: often when you want to take a package off the web (as
    portable) you decide what package to take. Re 3.7 user
    customization. Can the user decide what they'll take?

    mgylling: yes, there'll be that kind of customizability. Or
    rather: not prevented, building blocks for content
    personalization. Good use case.
    ... Second part: consequences for the IG.
    ... we've been working on use cases and functionality
    requirements. The paper includes many references.
    ... we could look at various TF efforts, reflecting parts of
    the requirements gathering, building of solutions. But moving
    forward, should we create one or more TFs to better understand
    the problem?

    <mgylling> ach mgy

    <ivan>
    [9]http://w3c.github.io/epubweb/#achieving-convergence-work-are
    as

       [9] http://w3c.github.io/epubweb/#achieving-convergence-work-areas

    mgylling: e.g., from problem list. Lots of these we already
    have activities working towards.
    ... generic archive format, metadata,
    styling/layout/pagination, presentation control,
    personalization etc
    ... but not complete "coverage"
    ... what should we focus on sooner rather than later?

    tzviya: we might need a few ppl working on packaging. Maybe not
    a whole task force

    Ivan: relative high priority. Should flow into the relevant WG
    from the start.
    ... we're coming in at the right moment and we must make use of
    that.

    mgylling: right now mgylling, tzviya, Liza, brady
    ... one activity: understand requirements from publishing
    perspective. Assert that the needs are met.
    ... streamability not the only requirement for a package.

    tzviya: can offer 1 publisher perspective.

    <Ralph> Tzviya++

    mgylling: another big one: document&fragment identification.

    <Bill_Kasdorf> s/assert/ascertain

    mgylling: we need something here. Don't know if the problem is
    well enough described in the white paper.

    <Bill_Kasdorf> +1

    mgylling: maybe good fit for metadat TF?

    Bill_Kasdorf: yes.

    tzviya: also overlaps with packaging.

    Ivan: re identifier/linkage ppl who worked on metadata are
    usually sensitive to the needs.
    ... metadata TF's work is now at equilibrium so sounds like a
    good idea.

    mgylling: rumor last year for media fragments WG (?)
    restarting.
    ... that would be great fit if it happens.
    ... next example: security & privacy models. Everybody wants
    it, everybody worried. We would love more input.

    <Bill_Kasdorf> note that the fragmentation issue also includes
    the issue of inheritance of metadata, which is another fit for
    the Metadata TF

    mgylling: if you have suggestions for ppl, do let us know.

    Karen: might make sense to have briefing with domain lead Wendy
    Seltzer (?) about liaison with Technology and Society Domain
    Staff about Security and Privacy and WebCrypto WGs rechartered.
    ... should get together with Wendy's group.

    <Karen> s/Zelter/Seltzer

    mgylling: end of Feb. publication.
    ... tie additional work to this.
    ... additional efforts on packaging, doc identifier.
    ... second part: updates from TFs please
    ... first off Deborah and Charles.

    Charles: met with number of ppl twice a week. Started to work
    on WCAG spec and techniques, go through them, taking on chunks,
    identifying relevance.
    ... about a dozen main topic areas.
    ... left now: client side scripting, common failures, parts of
    HTML-specifics. The rest we've reviewed for digipub.
    ... the reviewers have classified with comments.
    ... will focus on WCAG first. Had George Kerschner and ??? to
    offer directions
    ... after finishing first round: bring it to wiki format.
    ... identify what's limiting for digital publishing and what's
    sufficient.

    <tzviya> s/Charles(Jeanne Spellman)/clapierre

    Charles: identify what's missing from these documents wrt
    digital publishing.
    ... many volunteers but not many able to be active.
    ... we could use extra help.

    <Karen> Scribenick: Karen

    Peter: We are scheduled...

    some last-minute feedback on surveys to work in

    scribe: plan to send survey to a first group of people who were
    targeted
    ... We have this longer list to send the survey to
    ... It is still open if you have some good contacts, please
    send me an email
    ... Don't put email on the public Google doc
    ... unless people are comfortable with public email
    ... Question I have
    ... go through question in batches
    ... maybe first 10-15 people to have wider set of testers
    ... My questions is should we aim for a more public run later
    ... after we survey the people we have identified
    ... Should we do anything more public?
    ... to amass more data
    ... Not sure if necessary or useful
    ... but I wanted to ask

    Markus: Maybe we will be in a better position to answer that
    after the first run

    <ivan> +1 to markus

    Peter: that makes sense
    ... if good people don't provide good feedback, then we would
    not have...
    ... Yes, let's go ahead with that

    Tzviya: This is a formal action item
    ... Have you sent survey out; can we close it?

    Peter: No, I will do it this week

    Tzviya: We can close action 34

    Peter: look forward to that
    ... want to work out a couple of bugs and hopefully send out
    tomorroe

    Tzviya: Thank you

    <pkra> mgylling: ARIA / struct. semantics

    <pkra> tzviya: we've been working with ARIA DPUB TF.

    <ivan> scribenick: pkra

    Tzviya: shifting the terms into ARIA notations.
    ... heated discussion for footnotes

    mgylling: first editor draft end of Feb.

    tzviya: first draft of digipub vocab as ARIA module.

    mgylling: link to repo?

    Ivan: will add it.

    mgylling: up next: i18n review.

    Ivan: Heather couldn't get on the call due to Zakim problems.
    Liza not here either.

    mgylling: postponed.

    <ivan> [10]the structural semantics document

      [10] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-content-and-markup/

    <HeatherF> I did post an update to the public digipub list

    mgylling: next up: houdini cluster

    <HeatherF> Hopefully that will give folks something to think
    about before the next call.

    Brady: not much since last time. Feedback into the Wiki page.

    mgylling: are we approaching a point where we can ask for more
    widespread review?

    Brady: yes. Needs more widespread review.
    ... need feedback from implementors.

    mgylling: will get some from IDPF
    ... re personalization. We said last week. We'll collect and
    collate what's in the wiki (it's spread out) clean up.
    mgylling, tzviya and Liza working on that. Please add yourself.
    ... as TimCole pointed out, scope of content should be in
    there.

    pkra: MathWG has put out a note on speech annotation for
    MathML.
    ... please provide feedback. pkra will post link to group.

    Ivan: for whitepaper, plz send all comments on digipub list.
    And I mean all of them.

    <clapierre1> Thanks Peter

Summary of Action Items

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Fwd: MathWG speech annotation recommendations

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Peter Krautzberger (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) • February 02, 2015 • Permalink

Hi everyone,

As promised, here's a draft from the MathWG on annotating MathML with
speech.

Best,
Peter.

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From: Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>
Date: Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:17 AM
Subject: MathWG speech annotation recommendations
To: Volker Sorge <v.sorge@cs.bham.ac.uk>, "Davide P. Cervone" <
dpvc@union.edu>


Hi,

Neil has pushed the draft to the public wiki yesterday.

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-math/2015Jan/0010.html

Best,
Peter.

Re: [clipboard API] platform integration stuff - in spec or out of scope?

Source: public-webapps@w3.org Mail Archives • Hallvord Reiar Michaelsen Steen (hsteen@mozilla.com) • January 31, 2015 • Permalink

I don't know what these "map to" on platforms that do not use MIME types to
describe clipboard contents. Should this information be dug up and included?


> First request: can we add the three MathML media-types?
>

I know you've brought this up before, I haven't done anything about it and
it's partly because I'm not actually sure myself what an implementation
would have to do to "support" a data type..


> I think I could help dig the names out by looking at the following
> documents:
>
>
That would be absolutely terrific Paul - maybe make a wiki page or etherpad
somewhere? It would really help me - coming more from the JavaScript side
of things I can figure out and describe how all the JavaScript stuff works,
but it's much harder to determine how the platform side needs to be
specified.


> -
> http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/understanding_utis/
> - https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.dataformats.aspx
>
> Also, some specs and media-type-registration RFCs indicate the names in
> the native formats.
> I think this would be the right place to hunt too  (I know that MathML and
> SVG do).
> Probably it'll never be complete (e.g. I do not think
> application/octet-stream can have a name on clipboards).
>

So..  If the most important platforms do not have a clipboard format or
description for a specific MIME type, does that mean telling
implementations to "support" it is meaningless? Sort of seems like it..
-Hallvord

Re: [clipboard API] platform integration stuff - in spec or out of scope?

Source: public-webapps@w3.org Mail Archives • Paul Libbrecht (paul@hoplahup.net) • January 31, 2015 • Permalink


On 31 janv. 2015, at 14:48, Hallvord Reiar Michaelsen Steen <hsteen@mozilla.com> wrote:

> If yes, do any of the other "mandatory" types have gotchas like Windows "HTML Format" - on any platform? The mandatory types currently are:
> text/plain
> text/uri-list
> text/csv
> text/css
> text/html
> application/xhtml+xml
> image/png
> image/jpg, image/jpeg
> image/gif
> image/svg+xml
> application/xml, text/xml
> application/javascript
> application/json 
> application/octet-stream
> I don't know what these "map to" on platforms that do not use MIME types to describe clipboard contents. Should this information be dug up and included?


First request: can we add the three MathML media-types?
(those are: "application/mathml-presentation+xml", "application/mathml-content+xml", "application/mathml+xml")

I think I could help dig the names out by looking at the following documents:

- http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/understanding_utis/
- https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.dataformats.aspx

Also, some specs and media-type-registration RFCs indicate the names in the native formats. 
I think this would be the right place to hunt too  (I know that MathML and SVG do).
Probably it'll never be complete (e.g. I do not think application/octet-stream can have a name on clipboards).

Shall I just make the suggestions as a table per (html?) mail?

paul

Soliciting ideas/feedback for speech annotations

Source: www-math@w3.org Mail Archives • Neil Soiffer (NeilS@dessci.com) • January 30, 2015 • Permalink

MathML makes it possible to generate speech corresponding to the MathML.
But sometimes users/authors have specific needs and want to specify exactly
what should be spoken. This might go beyond specifying a plain text speech
string. The MathML WG has put up some ideas on how this might work on the
MathML WG's wiki: https://www.w3.org/Math/wiki/Speech_Annotations

Anyone can create a login and comment on or edit the page. If you are
interested in this area, please add your ideas and comments to that wiki
page.

Thanks,

Neil Soiffer
Senior Scientist
Design Science, Inc.
www.dessci.com
~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~

MathJax v2.5 now available

Source: MathJax • January 30, 2015 • Permalink

After a smooth beta run, we’re happy to officially release MathJax v2.5.

MathJax v2.5 is available on the CDN, and for download from GitHub; see the documentation for details.

Version 2.5 is available on the CDN at

http://cdn.mathjax.org/mathjax/2.5-latest/MathJax.js

and starting today the files at the

http://cdn.mathjax.org/mathjax/latest/MathJax.js

address will be switched over the v2.5. If you are using the mathjax/latest address you might get a mixture of files in your browser cache, and so may need to clear your browser cache and for some browsers (e.g., Chrome) restart your browser in order to get a consistent version of all files.

If you are a page author and concerned about this, you can change (temporarily) to the mathjax/2.5-latest URL instead of mathjax/latest since that is a new address that will not have any cached older versions to worry about. You can switch back to mathjax/latest in a few days when the new version has migrated to all the locations in the cloud. If you want to keep using Mathjax v2.4 you can switch to mathjax/2.4-latest.

See http://docs.mathjax.org/en/v2.5-latest/whats-new-2.5.html for details about the changes in v2.5. We anticipate a smooth upgrade from v2.4 to v2.5, but as always, let us know on the bug tracker if you experience problems with this new version of MathJax.

Note: If you are using a pre-defined configuration, please note the new fast-preview mode is activated in these. If you want to de-activate it on your page, add the following to your page before MathJax.js is loaded.

  <script type="text/javascript">
    window.MathJax = {
      menuSettings: {CHTMLpreview: false}
    };
  </script>


As a user, you can deactivate the Fast Preview via the MathJax menu. Righ/Cmd-click any equation and go to Math Settings -> Math Renderer -> Fast Preview.

Thank you for your continued support.

The MathJax Team.


New in MathJax v2.5

MathJax v2.5 includes a number of new features, as well a more than 70 important bug fixes. The following are some of the highlights.

Features

Numerous display bugs, line-breaking problems, and interface issues have been resolved; for a detailed listing please check the release milestone.

Interface

Line-breaking

HTML-CSS/SVG/nativeMML display

TeX emulation

Asciimath

MathML Handling

Fonts

Localization

APIs

Misc.

CSUN Journal article: Research reveals promising academic results for accessible math eText

Source: Design Science News • Steve Noble • January 29, 2015 • Permalink

Steve Noble, Accessibility Research Consultant (Guest Author)
The CSUN Journal on Technology and Persons with Disabilities has recently published an article I authored entitled Using Mathematics eText in the Classroom: What the Research Tells Us. This article summarizes and compares the findings from two federally-funded multi-year research studies in which middle school students with learning disabilities used accessible math content with MathPlayer in combination with their standard classroom assistive technology. In both studies, students who used content in MathML were shown to increase academic performance in the mathematics classroom.

Both studies compared two groups of students with learning disabilities. One group had access to math materials prepared with MathML, while similar students received typical access in the form of printed materials and human readers.” Much of the MathML content in one study was created with MathType, while in the other study the publisher Pearson Education created the accessible mathematics textbook content themselves. Student participants in both studies used the assistive technology Read&Write Gold by Texthelp, a Design Science Accessibility Partner.  The findings of these studies indicated the value of using MathML in digital content in place of the typical practice of using human readers as found in most schools.

While schools have historically relied on using human readers to provide access to print materials, it is clear this mode of access is far from adequate--especially for algebra and more complex math. Observations done in classroom settings revealed that students with learning disabilities rarely, if ever, request read-aloud accommodations in the math classroom, even when it was written into their Individualized Education Program (IEP). On the other hand, when students have access to mathematics content in a digital format that can reliably work with their assistive technology, they have the independent ability to read and reread math expressions as many times as they need. In my mind, we are simply doing a disservice to the millions of students with disabilities in our nation's schools by not providing them with math content in an accessible format that they can independently use. Let's all work together to fix this problem. Here are a few ideas about how to promote change in your community.

Steve Noble is a research consultant with a core focus in mathematics accessibility and assistive technology, and served as a researcher for the University of Kentucky's MeTRC research project. Currently he continues to serve on grant-funded research projects with both Bridge Multimedia and ETS, and previously served as Director of Accessibility Policy for Design Science.

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Re: [Minutes] 2015-01-26 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Thierry MICHEL (tmichel@w3.org) • January 28, 2015 • Permalink

Yes I noticed and therfore I had added your name this morning in the 
minutes.

thierry

On 28/01/2015 16:17, Julie Morris wrote:
> I was also present.
>
> Thanks,
> Julie
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Shinyu Murakami
> <murakami@vivliostyle.com <mailto:murakami@vivliostyle.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Thierry,
>
>     Thanks for the minutes.
>     I (Shinyu Murakami, Vivliostyle Inc.) was present at 2015-01-26 and
>     2015-01-12 telecons.
>     Could you add me please?
>
>     --
>     Shinyu Murakami (村上 真雄)
>     CEO & Founder, Vivliostyle Inc.
>     http://vivliostyle.com
>     murakami@vivliostyle.com <mailto:murakami@vivliostyle.com>
>
>
>     Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org <mailto:tmichel@w3.org>> wrote on
>     2015/01/27 2:07:44
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > Hi all,
>      >
>      > The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group
>     Teleconference dated 2015-01-26 are now available at
>      >
>      > http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html
>      >
>      > These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
>      > http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
>      >
>      > Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your
>     convenience.
>      >
>      > Best,
>      >
>      > Thierry Michel
>      >
>      > ---------------------------------------------------------
>      >
>      >     [1]W3C
>      >
>      >        [1] http://www.w3.org/
>      >
>      >              Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>      >
>      > 26 Jan 2015
>      >
>      >     See also: [2]IRC log
>      >
>      >        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
>      >
>      > Attendees
>      >
>      >     Present
>      >            Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Markus Gylling (Markus),
>      >            Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),Thierry Michel (tmichel),
>      >            Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Rob
>      >            Sanderson (azaroth), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),  Liam Quin
>      >            (Liam), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Charles LaPierre
>      >            (clapierre), Alan Stearns (Stearns),  Deborah Kaplan
>      >            (dkaplan3), David Stroup, Manuel Rego Casasnovas (rego),
>      >            Peter Linss (plinss) , Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Heather
>      >            Flanagan (HeatherF), mihnea, iank.
>      >
>      >     Regrets
>      >            Phil, Ivan, Luc, Ayla
>      >
>      >     Chair
>      >            Tzviya
>      >
>      >     Scribe
>      >            Markus
>      >
>      > Contents
>      >
>      >       * [3]Topics
>      >           1. [4]approval of minutes from last week
>      >           2. [5]use cases for Houdini
>      >           3. [6]packaging on the web document
>      >       * [7]Summary of Action Items
>      >       __________________________________________________________
>      >
>      >     <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015
>      >
>      >     <HeatherF> Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> agenda
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
>      >
>      >        [1] http://www.w3.org/
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]
>      >
>      >        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
>      >
>      >     <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> minutes
>      >     [8]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
>      >
>      >        [8] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
>      >
>      > approval of minutes from last week
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: minutes are approved
>      >
>      >     <liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!
>      >
>      >     <pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?
>      >
>      >     <murakami> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
>      >
>      >        [9] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
>      >
>      >     <Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
>      >
>      > use cases for Houdini
>      >
>      >     <dauwhe> [10]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>      >
>      >       [10] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these
>      >
>      >     <pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)
>      >
>      >     Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact
>      >     me and mention that we need to have these ready
>      >
>      >     <david_stroup> I'm 585.217
>      >
>      >     … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more
>      >
>      >     … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization
>      >
>      >     … working on pending action items as well
>      >
>      >     … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as
>      >     far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?
>      >
>      >     … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this
>      >     to if you are interested
>      >
>      >     Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor
>      >     is fine
>      >
>      >     <pkra1> +q
>      >
>      >     Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list
>      >
>      >     pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because
>      >     polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG
>      >     may be interested as well
>      >
>      >     … re Houdini
>      >
>      >     Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND
>      >     personalization?
>      >
>      >     <dauwhe> pkra: have you seen
>      >     [11]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any
>      >     ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be
>      >     great.
>      >
>      >       [11] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout?
>      >
>      >     Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding
>      >     anything new
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: we have personalization use cases already… [scrolling]
>      >     …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything
>      >
>      >     … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone
>      >     want to help?
>      >
>      >     Liza: I can do it
>      >
>      >     <astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime
>      >     style modifications, it may open new avenues for
>      >     personalization
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week
>      >
>      >     dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie
>      >     people
>      >
>      >     … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> [12]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>      >
>      >       [12] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>      >
>      >     <murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> [13]http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
>      >
>      >       [13] http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
>      >
>      > packaging on the web document
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging
>      >     for the web document
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative
>      >     to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIME
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it
>      >     would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions
>      >
>      >     <liza> Skinnier jeans?
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected
>      >     because people were interested only in zip
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without
>      >     consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was
>      >     needed
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed
>      >     draft
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is
>      >     important
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now
>      >     is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but
>      >     information beyond content
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not
>      >     the simplest option
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't
>      >     understand packaging
>      >
>      >     Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically
>      >     challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant
>      >     really take off
>      >
>      >     Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is
>      >     being done now and read some background material
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version
>      >     available for background
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> brady: I will send it out
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response
>      >
>      >     <astearns> I'll definitely review
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan
>      >
>      >     <tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging
>      >     for Web
>      >
>      >     <scribe> Scribe: Markus
>      >
>      >     Heather: will review i18n documentation
>      >
>      >     <tzviya>
>      >     [14]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
>      >
>      >       [14] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
>      >
>      >     pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please
>      >     take a look so that we rollout next month as planned
>      >
>      >     <pkra1> thx
>      >
>      >     <HeatherF> thanks
>      >
>      > Summary of Action Items
>      >
>      >     [End of minutes]
>      >       __________________________________________________________
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Re: [Minutes] 2015-01-26 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Julie Morris (julie@bisg.org) • January 28, 2015 • Permalink

I was also present.

Thanks,
Julie

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Shinyu Murakami <murakami@vivliostyle.com>
wrote:

> Hi Thierry,
>
> Thanks for the minutes.
> I (Shinyu Murakami, Vivliostyle Inc.) was present at 2015-01-26 and
> 2015-01-12 telecons.
> Could you add me please?
>
> --
> Shinyu Murakami (村上 真雄)
> CEO & Founder, Vivliostyle Inc.
> http://vivliostyle.com
> murakami@vivliostyle.com
>
>
> Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote on 2015/01/27 2:07:44
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
> dated 2015-01-26 are now available at
> >
> >      http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html
> >
> > These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
> >      http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
> >
> > Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your
> convenience.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Thierry Michel
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >     [1]W3C
> >
> >        [1] http://www.w3.org/
> >
> >              Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
> >
> > 26 Jan 2015
> >
> >     See also: [2]IRC log
> >
> >        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
> >
> > Attendees
> >
> >     Present
> >            Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Markus Gylling (Markus),
> >            Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),Thierry Michel (tmichel),
> >            Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Rob
> >            Sanderson (azaroth), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),  Liam Quin
> >            (Liam), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Charles LaPierre
> >            (clapierre), Alan Stearns (Stearns),  Deborah Kaplan
> >            (dkaplan3), David Stroup, Manuel Rego Casasnovas (rego),
> >            Peter Linss (plinss) , Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Heather
> >            Flanagan (HeatherF), mihnea, iank.
> >
> >     Regrets
> >            Phil, Ivan, Luc, Ayla
> >
> >     Chair
> >            Tzviya
> >
> >     Scribe
> >            Markus
> >
> > Contents
> >
> >       * [3]Topics
> >           1. [4]approval of minutes from last week
> >           2. [5]use cases for Houdini
> >           3. [6]packaging on the web document
> >       * [7]Summary of Action Items
> >       __________________________________________________________
> >
> >     <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015
> >
> >     <HeatherF> Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!
> >
> >     <tzviya> agenda
> >
> >     <tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
> >
> >        [1] http://www.w3.org/
> >
> >     <tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
> >
> >     <tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]
> >
> >        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
> >
> >     <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
> >
> >     <tzviya> minutes
> >     [8]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
> >
> >        [8] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
> >
> > approval of minutes from last week
> >
> >     Tzviya: minutes are approved
> >
> >     <liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!
> >
> >     <pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?
> >
> >     <murakami> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
> >
> >        [9] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
> >
> >     <Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today
> >
> >     <tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
> >
> > use cases for Houdini
> >
> >     <dauwhe> [10]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> >
> >       [10] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> >
> >     Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these
> >
> >     <pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)
> >
> >     Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact
> >     me and mention that we need to have these ready
> >
> >     <david_stroup> I'm 585.217
> >
> >     … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more
> >
> >     … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization
> >
> >     … working on pending action items as well
> >
> >     … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as
> >     far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?
> >
> >     … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG
> >
> >     Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this
> >     to if you are interested
> >
> >     Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor
> >     is fine
> >
> >     <pkra1> +q
> >
> >     Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list
> >
> >     pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because
> >     polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG
> >     may be interested as well
> >
> >     … re Houdini
> >
> >     Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base
> >
> >     Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND
> >     personalization?
> >
> >     <dauwhe> pkra: have you seen
> >     [11]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any
> >     ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be
> >     great.
> >
> >       [11] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout?
> >
> >     Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding
> >     anything new
> >
> >     Tzviya: we have personalization use cases already… [scrolling]
> >     …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything
> >
> >     … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone
> >     want to help?
> >
> >     Liza: I can do it
> >
> >     <astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime
> >     style modifications, it may open new avenues for
> >     personalization
> >
> >     Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week
> >
> >     dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie
> >     people
> >
> >     … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom
> >
> >     <tzviya> [12]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> >
> >       [12] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> >
> >     <murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.
> >
> >     <tzviya> [13]http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
> >
> >       [13] http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
> >
> > packaging on the web document
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging
> >     for the web document
> >
> >     <tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative
> >     to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIME
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it
> >     would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions
> >
> >     <liza> Skinnier jeans?
> >
> >     <tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected
> >     because people were interested only in zip
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without
> >     consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was
> >     needed
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed
> >     draft
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is
> >     important
> >
> >     <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now
> >     is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but
> >     information beyond content
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not
> >     the simplest option
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available
> >
> >     <tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't
> >     understand packaging
> >
> >     Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically
> >     challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant
> >     really take off
> >
> >     Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background
> >
> >     <tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is
> >     being done now and read some background material
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version
> >     available for background
> >
> >     <tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind
> >
> >     <tzviya> brady: I will send it out
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response
> >
> >     <astearns> I'll definitely review
> >
> >     <tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan
> >
> >     <tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging
> >     for Web
> >
> >     <scribe> Scribe: Markus
> >
> >     Heather: will review i18n documentation
> >
> >     <tzviya>
> >     [14]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
> >
> >       [14] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
> >
> >     pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please
> >     take a look so that we rollout next month as planned
> >
> >     <pkra1> thx
> >
> >     <HeatherF> thanks
> >
> > Summary of Action Items
> >
> >     [End of minutes]
> >       __________________________________________________________
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Guessing minutes URL: [18]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html
> > People with action items:
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>


-- 

*Julie Morris*

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Book Industry Study Group | BISG.org <http://www.bisg.org/>

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Re: [Minutes] 2015-01-26 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Thierry MICHEL (tmichel@w3.org) • January 28, 2015 • Permalink

Done.
http://www.w3.org/2014/11/10-dpub-minutes.html

Thierry

On 28/01/2015 03:41, Shinyu Murakami wrote:
> Hi Thierry,
>
> Thanks for the minutes.
> I (Shinyu Murakami, Vivliostyle Inc.) was present at 2015-01-26 and 2015-01-12 telecons.
> Could you add me please?
>
> --
> Shinyu Murakami (村上 真雄)
> CEO & Founder, Vivliostyle Inc.
> http://vivliostyle.com
> murakami@vivliostyle.com
>
>
> Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote on 2015/01/27 2:07:44
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference dated 2015-01-26 are now available at
>>
>>       http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html
>>
>> These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
>>       http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
>>
>> Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Thierry Michel
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>      [1]W3C
>>
>>         [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>
>>               Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>>
>> 26 Jan 2015
>>
>>      See also: [2]IRC log
>>
>>         [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
>>
>> Attendees
>>
>>      Present
>>             Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Markus Gylling (Markus),
>>             Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),Thierry Michel (tmichel),
>>             Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Rob
>>             Sanderson (azaroth), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),  Liam Quin
>>             (Liam), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Charles LaPierre
>>             (clapierre), Alan Stearns (Stearns),  Deborah Kaplan
>>             (dkaplan3), David Stroup, Manuel Rego Casasnovas (rego),
>>             Peter Linss (plinss) , Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Heather
>>             Flanagan (HeatherF), mihnea, iank.
>>
>>      Regrets
>>             Phil, Ivan, Luc, Ayla
>>
>>      Chair
>>             Tzviya
>>
>>      Scribe
>>             Markus
>>
>> Contents
>>
>>        * [3]Topics
>>            1. [4]approval of minutes from last week
>>            2. [5]use cases for Houdini
>>            3. [6]packaging on the web document
>>        * [7]Summary of Action Items
>>        __________________________________________________________
>>
>>      <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015
>>
>>      <HeatherF> Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!
>>
>>      <tzviya> agenda
>>
>>      <tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
>>
>>         [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>
>>      <tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
>>
>>      <tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]
>>
>>         [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
>>
>>      <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
>>
>>      <tzviya> minutes
>>      [8]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
>>
>>         [8] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
>>
>> approval of minutes from last week
>>
>>      Tzviya: minutes are approved
>>
>>      <liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!
>>
>>      <pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?
>>
>>      <murakami> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
>>
>>         [9] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
>>
>>      <Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today
>>
>>      <tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
>>
>> use cases for Houdini
>>
>>      <dauwhe> [10]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>>
>>        [10] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>>
>>      Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these
>>
>>      <pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)
>>
>>      Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact
>>      me and mention that we need to have these ready
>>
>>      <david_stroup> I'm 585.217
>>
>>      … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more
>>
>>      … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization
>>
>>      … working on pending action items as well
>>
>>      … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as
>>      far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?
>>
>>      … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG
>>
>>      Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this
>>      to if you are interested
>>
>>      Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor
>>      is fine
>>
>>      <pkra1> +q
>>
>>      Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list
>>
>>      pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because
>>      polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG
>>      may be interested as well
>>
>>      … re Houdini
>>
>>      Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base
>>
>>      Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND
>>      personalization?
>>
>>      <dauwhe> pkra: have you seen
>>      [11]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any
>>      ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be
>>      great.
>>
>>        [11] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout?
>>
>>      Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding
>>      anything new
>>
>>      Tzviya: we have personalization use cases already… [scrolling]
>>      …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything
>>
>>      … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone
>>      want to help?
>>
>>      Liza: I can do it
>>
>>      <astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime
>>      style modifications, it may open new avenues for
>>      personalization
>>
>>      Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week
>>
>>      dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie
>>      people
>>
>>      … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom
>>
>>      <tzviya> [12]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>>
>>        [12] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
>>
>>      <murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.
>>
>>      <tzviya> [13]http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
>>
>>        [13] http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
>>
>> packaging on the web document
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging
>>      for the web document
>>
>>      <tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative
>>      to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIME
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it
>>      would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions
>>
>>      <liza> Skinnier jeans?
>>
>>      <tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected
>>      because people were interested only in zip
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without
>>      consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was
>>      needed
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed
>>      draft
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is
>>      important
>>
>>      <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now
>>      is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but
>>      information beyond content
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not
>>      the simplest option
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available
>>
>>      <tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't
>>      understand packaging
>>
>>      Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically
>>      challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant
>>      really take off
>>
>>      Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background
>>
>>      <tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is
>>      being done now and read some background material
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version
>>      available for background
>>
>>      <tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind
>>
>>      <tzviya> brady: I will send it out
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response
>>
>>      <astearns> I'll definitely review
>>
>>      <tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan
>>
>>      <tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging
>>      for Web
>>
>>      <scribe> Scribe: Markus
>>
>>      Heather: will review i18n documentation
>>
>>      <tzviya>
>>      [14]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
>>
>>        [14] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
>>
>>      pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please
>>      take a look so that we rollout next month as planned
>>
>>      <pkra1> thx
>>
>>      <HeatherF> thanks
>>
>> Summary of Action Items
>>
>>      [End of minutes]
>>        __________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>       Minutes formatted by David Booth's [15]scribe.perl version
>>       1.140 ([16]CVS log)
>>       $Date: 2015-03-03 03:01:39 $
>>        __________________________________________________________
>>
>>        [15] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
>>        [16] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
>>
>> Scribe.perl diagnostic output
>>
>>      [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.]
>> This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.140  of Date: 2014-11-06 18:16:30
>> Check for newer version at [17]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/
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>> Found Scribe: Markus
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>> Present: Ben_De_Meester
>>
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>>
>> Regrets: Phil Deborah Ivan Luc
>>
>> WARNING: No meeting chair found!
>> You should specify the meeting chair like this:
>> <dbooth> Chair: dbooth
>>
>> Found Date: 26 Jan 2015
>> Guessing minutes URL: [18]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html
>> People with action items:
>>
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>>
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Re: [Minutes] 2015-01-26 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Source: public-digipub-ig@w3.org Mail Archives • Shinyu Murakami (murakami@vivliostyle.com) • January 28, 2015 • Permalink

Hi Thierry,

Thanks for the minutes.
I (Shinyu Murakami, Vivliostyle Inc.) was present at 2015-01-26 and 2015-01-12 telecons.
Could you add me please? 

--
Shinyu Murakami (村上 真雄)
CEO & Founder, Vivliostyle Inc.
http://vivliostyle.com
murakami@vivliostyle.com


Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote on 2015/01/27 2:07:44
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference dated 2015-01-26 are now available at
> 
>      http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html
> 
> These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
>      http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
> 
> Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Thierry Michel
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> 
>     [1]W3C
> 
>        [1] http://www.w3.org/
> 
>              Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
> 
> 26 Jan 2015
> 
>     See also: [2]IRC log
> 
>        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
> 
> Attendees
> 
>     Present
>            Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Markus Gylling (Markus),
>            Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),Thierry Michel (tmichel),
>            Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Rob
>            Sanderson (azaroth), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),  Liam Quin
>            (Liam), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Charles LaPierre
>            (clapierre), Alan Stearns (Stearns),  Deborah Kaplan
>            (dkaplan3), David Stroup, Manuel Rego Casasnovas (rego),
>            Peter Linss (plinss) , Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Heather
>            Flanagan (HeatherF), mihnea, iank.
> 
>     Regrets
>            Phil, Ivan, Luc, Ayla
> 
>     Chair
>            Tzviya
> 
>     Scribe
>            Markus
> 
> Contents
> 
>       * [3]Topics
>           1. [4]approval of minutes from last week
>           2. [5]use cases for Houdini
>           3. [6]packaging on the web document
>       * [7]Summary of Action Items
>       __________________________________________________________
> 
>     <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015
> 
>     <HeatherF> Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!
> 
>     <tzviya> agenda
> 
>     <tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
> 
>        [1] http://www.w3.org/
> 
>     <tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
> 
>     <tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]
> 
>        [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
> 
>     <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
> 
>     <tzviya> minutes
>     [8]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
> 
>        [8] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
> 
> approval of minutes from last week
> 
>     Tzviya: minutes are approved
> 
>     <liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!
> 
>     <pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?
> 
>     <murakami> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
> 
>        [9] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
> 
>     <Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today
> 
>     <tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
> 
> use cases for Houdini
> 
>     <dauwhe> [10]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> 
>       [10] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> 
>     Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these
> 
>     <pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)
> 
>     Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact
>     me and mention that we need to have these ready
> 
>     <david_stroup> I'm 585.217
> 
>     … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more
> 
>     … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization
> 
>     … working on pending action items as well
> 
>     … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as
>     far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?
> 
>     … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG
> 
>     Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this
>     to if you are interested
> 
>     Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor
>     is fine
> 
>     <pkra1> +q
> 
>     Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list
> 
>     pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because
>     polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG
>     may be interested as well
> 
>     … re Houdini
> 
>     Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base
> 
>     Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND
>     personalization?
> 
>     <dauwhe> pkra: have you seen
>     [11]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any
>     ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be
>     great.
> 
>       [11] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout?
> 
>     Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding
>     anything new
> 
>     Tzviya: we have personalization use cases already… [scrolling]
>     …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything
> 
>     … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone
>     want to help?
> 
>     Liza: I can do it
> 
>     <astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime
>     style modifications, it may open new avenues for
>     personalization
> 
>     Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week
> 
>     dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie
>     people
> 
>     … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom
> 
>     <tzviya> [12]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> 
>       [12] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
> 
>     <murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.
> 
>     <tzviya> [13]http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
> 
>       [13] http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
> 
> packaging on the web document
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging
>     for the web document
> 
>     <tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative
>     to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIME
> 
>     <tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it
>     would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions
> 
>     <liza> Skinnier jeans?
> 
>     <tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected
>     because people were interested only in zip
> 
>     <tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without
>     consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was
>     needed
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed
>     draft
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is
>     important
> 
>     <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now
>     is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but
>     information beyond content
> 
>     <tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...
> 
>     <tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not
>     the simplest option
> 
>     <tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available
> 
>     <tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't
>     understand packaging
> 
>     Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically
>     challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant
>     really take off
> 
>     Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background
> 
>     <tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is
>     being done now and read some background material
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version
>     available for background
> 
>     <tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind
> 
>     <tzviya> brady: I will send it out
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response
> 
>     <astearns> I'll definitely review
> 
>     <tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan
> 
>     <tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging
>     for Web
> 
>     <scribe> Scribe: Markus
> 
>     Heather: will review i18n documentation
> 
>     <tzviya>
>     [14]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
> 
>       [14] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
> 
>     pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please
>     take a look so that we rollout next month as planned
> 
>     <pkra1> thx
> 
>     <HeatherF> thanks
> 
> Summary of Action Items
> 
>     [End of minutes]
>       __________________________________________________________
> 
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