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<fesch> scribe: fesch
js: news?
js: workshop in Mountain View
CA
... use cases still in the future
js: keep ideas coming of what we need to meet with,... looking for recruits for Research Questions
<MichaelC> close action-2065
<trackbot> Closed action-2065.
action-2047
<trackbot> action-2047 -- Michiel Bijl to Review css grid layout https://www.w3.org/tr/css-grid-1/ -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2047
mb: has 2 dimensions
... there are issues
js: we have an agenda item
<MichielBijl> Link to a11y section in CSS Grid Layout: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-grid/#order-accessibility
mc: will go to CSS task force (Grid Layout)
<MichaelC> close action-2047
<trackbot> Closed action-2047.
<janina> ~ack j
jd: do we have a CSS task force in the works?
mc: yes
js: we expected ARIA, APA and CSS
joint, but going more slowly
... in agenda pointer to CSS TF work statement
<Ryladog> Katie_Haritos-Shea
action-2048
<trackbot> action-2048 -- John Foliot to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) -- due 2016-07-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2048
jf: just sent email to list
before this call,
... a whole bunch of processing stuff, not sure whether it
could be relayed to AT
... I may want to defer to TPAC
mc: will add to deferred
<MichaelC> action-2048 due 3 months
<trackbot> Set action-2048 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) due date to 2016-10-06.
jf: I need to follow up with Glen
action-2014
<trackbot> action-2014 -- Fred Esch to Review micropub https://www.w3.org/tr/micropub/ -- due 2016-07-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2014
fe: Needs an accessiblity section
images and media should be able to be uploaded and downloaded with accessibility information
For example and image should be uploaded with the string for an img alt attribute or description.
Media should be associated with closed caption tracks.
You can probably do these things with the Micorpub API, however there are no instructions or examples how to do it. There are references to microformats 2, however accessibility isn't covered except in an ad hoc way.
js: if you can write up, we can
give them forward
... we don' want them moving this forward without this being
addressed
<MichaelC> CSS Color Module Level 4
mc: don't see anything accessibility related
jf: opacity makes calculating compliance difficult
js: contrast will be a WCAG thing
mc: calculating color contrast is doable, need WCAG support
ack
fe: we looked at alpha issues for automated testing in ARIA
jd: I can take this to WCAG
<MichaelC> ACTION: JF to take need for techniques to measure color contrast with alpha layer to WCAG WG related to https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-4/ CSS Color Module Level 4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/06-apa-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2066 - Take need for techniques to measure color contrast with alpha layer to wcag wg related to https://www.w3.org/tr/css-color-4/ css color module level 4 [on John Foliot - due 2016-07-13].
js: we have known things we can
say - contrast is important, .look at WCAG...
... we can also bring up what we don't have a solution to
mc: what we would want in the doc is just a paragraph
<MichaelC> ACTION: janina to draft comment on https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-4/ CSS Color Module Level 4 requesting a11y impacts section particularly with transparency and impacts on color contrast measurement [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/06-apa-minutes.html#action02]
mc: it could have a sentence, it is tricky to calculate with opacity
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2067 - Draft comment on https://www.w3.org/tr/css-color-4/ css color module level 4 requesting a11y impacts section particularly with transparency and impacts on color contrast measurement [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-07-13].
<MichaelC> ACTION: JF to follow up on EME comments from before https://www.w3.org/TR/encrypted-media/ Encrypted Media Extensions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/06-apa-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2068 - Follow up on eme comments from before https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ encrypted media extensions [on John Foliot - due 2016-07-13].
jf: all we want to do is put some authoring guidance in there, will float it on the list....
<MichaelC> ACTION: Janina to follow up on http://www.w3.org/TR/media-source/ Media Source Extensions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/06-apa-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2069 - Follow up on http://www.w3.org/tr/media-source/ media source extensions [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-07-13].
mc: pointer lock is on the agenda
js: heard from a couple of folks
and did not see any issues
... I would like to look at the diff again
... only issue raised was on longdesc
jf: longdesc is a political issue... adding it to 5.1... some complaints....
<MichielBijl> janina: you can find all the changes here: http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/changes.html#changes
jf: issue is on AC list
... editors moved longdesc in some folks not happy
js: anyone see anything in the diffs of concern?
<MichaelC> action-2069: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Media_Source_Extensions
<trackbot> Notes added to action-2069 Follow up on http://www.w3.org/tr/media-source/ media source extensions.
<MichaelC> action-2068: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Encrypted_Media_Extensions
<trackbot> Notes added to action-2068 Follow up on eme comments from before https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ encrypted media extensions.
<MichaelC> action-2067: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Color_Module_Level_4
<trackbot> Notes added to action-2067 Draft comment on https://www.w3.org/tr/css-color-4/ css color module level 4 requesting a11y impacts section particularly with transparency and impacts on color contrast measurement.
<MichaelC> action-2066: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Color_Module_Level_4
<trackbot> Notes added to action-2066 Take need for techniques to measure color contrast with alpha layer to wcag wg related to https://www.w3.org/tr/css-color-4/ css color module level 4.
<MichielBijl> https://dir.rawr.eu/research/animation-text/
action-2011
<trackbot> action-2011 -- Janina Sajka to Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified -- due 2016-06-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2011
<MichaelC> action-2014: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Micropub
<trackbot> Notes added to action-2014 Review micropub https://www.w3.org/tr/micropub/.
mb: talks about transitions... examples show how to do it...
<MichielBijl> mb: currently only has example on how not to do it
<MichielBijl> mb: need example on how to do it (good example)
fe: transitions in charts (unless data changes) is eye candy
jf: Leone isn't available to be on the call, kicked off a thread in APA
s /APA/ARIA/
<JF> Leonie ie asked me to convey the following: The upshot is that the PL spec now includes a note to implementors, and I've kicked off a thread about API mappings in the ARIA WG - so there isn't anything else we can do within PL itself to address this AFAIK.
js: does that satisfy our concerns?
jf: we can't do much more
<MichielBijl> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Jul/0009.html
<MichielBijl> On APA list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jul/0010.html
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Properties_and_Values_API_Level_1
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Properties_and_Values_API_Level_1
<JF> scribe: JF
FE: allows properties to be
defined, but noyt really maps back to rendiering
... however this may be useful for PwD - this might be a good
Research Question for the TF
... thee may be some real a11y benefits here
2 examples: COGA personalization, and for graphics (color blind, large charts, etc.)
FE: also instructional images, shift colors, widen line widths, etc.
May be able to reference alternative imagery (icons) etc.
FE: recommendation to forward to RQTF and COGA
<MichaelC> close action-2056
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<fesch> rrs agent, make minutes
<MichaelC> close action-2057
<trackbot> Closed action-2057.
<fesch> js: anything else?
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