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<Zakim> joanie, you wanted to ask about moving the action
<scribe> scribe: JF
JS: looking to set up a different
system for looking at Spec review
... to remove the dependancy on Michael Cooper
JF: some discussion kicking off around starting a TF focused on writing unit tests, not only for ARIA 1.1 but perhaps other efforts as well
JS: we should also revisit CSS Flexbox discussions with CSS WG
CYNS: have been having some back-channel discussions there as well
JS: look to revisit in February
Cyns: MS has become a lot more engaged in this activity. With the split of ARIA and APA, MSFT is adding a new person to the work
JS: there has been discussion here and in the ARIA WG - there has been a bit of a re-write to help clarify and avoid some 'gotchas'
with a note that CfC's need to be handled on the admin list, not the main discussion list
which was the purpose of the admin list - it allows us to restrict the participation (comments, welcome, long discussions essentially not)
JS: believe we are ready for a
CfC on this topic - Janina to issue the CfC later this week or
next, in sync with the ARIA WG
... encouraging all to vote on both issues
RESOLUTION: meeting agrees to take Draft Decision Policy to CfC
MC:
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
MC: Action 2001
JS: on Leonie, who is not here today
ACTION 1749
RS: don't believe there is much here
MC: Potentially we can close this as it is moving forward elsewhere and appears to be OK
Cyns: leave open, and will report back soon
<MichaelC> close action-1749
<trackbot> Closed action-1749.
<MichaelC> action-1749: needs device independent stuff, but separate action
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1749 Review ui events.
MC: Need to record this in a wiki page as well
JS: this is where we need
multiple hands working together
... we received a request for comments earlier this week
<janina> https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/419
we just need a way to annotate the graphic, in use-cases where it may be a help screen or similar
https://www.w3.org/TR/appmanifest/
<MichaelC> needs device independent stuff, but separate action
<MichaelC> needs device independent stuff, but separate action
<MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/manifest/commit/04d72e16764068dea1f353e781312e325fd774f7
JS: sounds like we need to
provide them with some info and details on providing better alt
text and descriptions
... James N had issues around the spash screen scenario
MC: issues around color contrast
as well
... who is taking the next step on this
... we should get cynthia to join the discussion to confuse
everyone
[laughter]
JS: should we check back with Shane to see if Respec is a root of some problems?
fesch: Is this the issue with red text on pink background?
MC: sort of yes, but Respec had
been tested previously and was pretty good a11y wise
... we use Respec as well, and know a maintainer
... we should push back
JS: perhaps its in the way we are using Respec versus how they are?
fesch: they are using warnings, etc. I've not seen before
<ShaneM> I am deep in the middle of other stuff right now, but please feel free to assign me any ReSpec related actions.
JS: give action to Shane?
<ShaneM> Note that since I am not on the call, the action could use a little context ;-)
MC: found a diagram with poor color contrast (in SVG)
<ShaneM> ok
<janina> Also, diag needs extended text descript
<janina> Or even to be accessible svg
issues around color contrast in the Respec CSS
JS: looking at how to improve this process/tool - Michael has a "tour" to show us his thoughts
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review
JS: making this up on the fly, and time for wider look here
MC: auto-generated index of all the specs we've looked at being tracked in the wiki
<MichaelC> Today we talked about https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_App_Manifest
MC: makes a new wiki page for each spec we look at - category page generates the index insertion
<MichaelC> by contrast, https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Requirements_for_WCAG_2.0_Extensions
each page records key actions/comments with dates, to facilitate lookup at a later date
as each 'milestone' is reached on a spec, we can review our internal history and discussion, to stay in sync
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Spec_Review
MC: have run into a few authoring/editing issues, but looking at ways of speeding things up more
looking at creating the wiki pages (and updates) in real time, so a second person will need to be tasked with that
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-all
<Zakim> jf, you wanted to ask about capturing date-stamps in the augto-generate process
JF: also wanted to know about time-stamping on the index page, as well as questions around the tables being used to display the different drafts (etc.) - can we get some <th> love there, and is it possible to make those tables sortable by column?
JS: when we do some work on a spec via email, we need to ensure that this gets captured here as well
MC: have talked about a tool for email scraping for some time now, however it remains a manual process still today
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Flexible_Box_Layout_Module_Level_1
JS: we want the minimum of hand-authored work
MC: appears that the list
archiving threading function isn't working here
... should we link all the emails in the wiki to overcome
threading, or simply note that emails may be threaded, and to
verify with the W3C archives
JS: should link to the TPAC discussions as well
(with regard to CSS flexbox)
JS: this is a dside-discussion as part of Michael's "tour"
RS: it was 2 years ago at TPAC Santa Clara that we first expressed our concerns
JS: it was a reasonabily good meeting, but not a lot was documented - we indicated that without a written solution we (APA) would have an issue moving forward
MC: Useful to link the TPAC 2014
meeting minutes as well
... this shows a continuity and "how long" we've been working
on this
MC: Media Queries level 4
we should really keep an eye on this
<MichaelC> ACTION: Fred to review Media Queries Level 4 https://www.w3.org/TR/mediaqueries-4/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2005 - Review media queries level 4 https://www.w3.org/tr/mediaqueries-4/ [on Fred Esch - due 2016-02-03].
<MichaelC> action-2005?
<trackbot> action-2005 -- Fred Esch to Review media queries level 4 https://www.w3.org/tr/mediaqueries-4/ -- due 2016-02-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2005
[MC reviewing potential specs
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/CSP3/
we believe this needs review, not sure whom to assign it too
Draft EME spec
<MichaelC> ACTION: foliot to draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on EME https://www.w3.org/TR/encrypted-media/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2006 - Draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on eme https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ [on John Foliot - due 2016-02-03].
<MichaelC> action-2006?
<trackbot> action-2006 -- John Foliot to Draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on eme https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ -- due 2016-02-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2006
<MichaelC> ACTION: fred to review SHACL Use Cases and Requirements https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl-ucr/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2007 - Review shacl use cases and requirements https://www.w3.org/tr/shacl-ucr/ [on Fred Esch - due 2016-02-03].
MC: we need to look at specs between Jan 15 and 21st next week then
JS: yes, we are well beyond the
hour
... calling end of call
<MichaelC> action-2007?
<trackbot> action-2007 -- Fred Esch to Review shacl use cases and requirements https://www.w3.org/tr/shacl-ucr/ -- due 2016-02-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2007
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