16:51:30 RRSAgent has joined #apa 16:51:30 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-irc 16:51:32 RRSAgent, make logs world 16:51:34 Zakim, this will be 16:51:34 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 16:51:35 Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference 16:51:35 Date: 27 January 2016 16:51:36 agenda? 16:51:43 zakim, clear agenda 16:51:43 agenda cleared 16:51:52 agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes 16:51:52 agenda+ Decision Policy -- Ready for CfC? http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy 16:51:55 agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open 16:51:58 agenda+ Spec Review Process Update -- Michael, Janina [See Below] 16:52:00 agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html 16:52:03 agenda+ Other Business 16:52:05 agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273 16:52:08 agenda+ be done 16:53:47 regrets: Leonie, Joanie, Shane 16:53:58 present+ Janina 16:54:02 zakim, next item 16:54:02 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina 16:54:06 q? 16:54:13 ack m 16:54:16 ack j 16:54:16 joanie, you wanted to ask about moving the action 16:54:24 zakim, next item 16:54:24 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina] 17:01:37 cyns has joined #apa 17:05:03 jf has joined #APA 17:05:22 fesch has joined #apa 17:05:23 Present+ JF 17:05:49 present+ fesch 17:08:40 scribe: JF 17:08:45 agenda? 17:09:47 JS: looking to set up a different system for looking at Spec review 17:10:16 JS: to remove the dependancy on Michael Cooper 17:12:08 JF: some discussion kicking off around starting a TF focused on writing unit tests, not only for ARIA 1.1 but perhaps other efforts as well 17:12:29 JS: we should also revisit CSS Flexbox discussions with CSS WG 17:12:44 CYNS: have been having some back-channel discussions there as well 17:12:56 JS: look to revisit in February 17:13:37 Cyns: MS has become a lot more engaged in this activity. With the split of ARIA and APA, MSFT is adding a new person to the work 17:14:06 zakim, take up item 3 17:14:06 agendum 3. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina] 17:14:23 zakim, take up item 2 17:14:23 agendum 2. "Decision Policy -- Ready for CfC? http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy" taken up [from janina] 17:15:10 JS: there has been discussion here and in the ARIA WG - there has been a bit of a re-write to help clarify and avoid some 'gotchas' 17:15:45 with a note that CfC's need to be handled on the admin list, not the main discussion list 17:16:31 which was the purpose of the admin list - it allows us to restrict the participation (comments, welcome, long discussions essentially not) 17:17:16 JS: believe we are ready for a DfD on this topic - Janina to issue the CfC later this week or next, in sync with the ARIA WG 17:17:30 JS: encouraging all to vote on both issues 17:17:47 s/DfD/CfC 17:18:15 RESOLUTION: meeting agrees to take Draft Decision Policy to CfC 17:18:35 zakim, take up item 3 17:18:35 agendum 3. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina] 17:18:41 MC: 17:19:11 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 17:19:30 MC: Action 2001 17:19:40 JS: on Leonie, who is not here today 17:20:53 ACTION 1749 17:21:26 RS: don't believe there is much here 17:21:46 MC: Potentially we can close this as it is moving forward elsewhere and appears to be OK 17:22:05 Cyns: leave open, and will report back soon 17:22:25 close action-1749 17:22:25 Closed action-1749. 17:22:38 action-1749: needs device independent stuff, but separate action 17:22:38 Notes added to action-1749 Review ui events. 17:23:09 MC: Need to record this in a wiki page as well 17:23:21 JS: this is where we need multiple hands working together 17:26:08 JS: we received a request for comments earlier this week 17:26:27 https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/419 17:27:23 we just need a way to annotate the graphic, in use-cases where it may be a help screen or similar 17:28:02 https://www.w3.org/TR/appmanifest/ 17:28:04 needs device independent stuff, but separate action 17:28:07 needs device independent stuff, but separate action 17:28:10 https://github.com/w3c/manifest/commit/04d72e16764068dea1f353e781312e325fd774f7 17:29:46 Q+ 17:30:52 JS: sounds like we need to provide them with some info and details on providing better alt text and descriptions 17:31:18 JS: James N had issues around the spash screen scenario 17:31:39 MC: issues around color contrast as well 17:32:19 MC: who is taking the next step on this 17:32:35 MC: we should get cynthia to join the discussion to confuse everyone 17:32:38 [laughter] 17:33:02 JS: should we check back with Shane to see if Respec is a root of some problems? 17:33:45 fesch: Is this the issue with red text on pink background? 17:34:14 MC: sort of yes, but Respec had been tested previously and was pretty good a11y wise 17:34:30 MC: we use Respec as well, and know a maintainer 17:34:46 MC: we should push back 17:35:00 JS: perhaps its in the way we are using Respec versus how they are? 17:35:16 fesch: they are using warnings, etc. I've neot seen before 17:35:25 s/neot/not 17:36:03 I am deep in the middle of other stuff right now, but please feel free to assign me any ReSpec related actions. 17:37:51 JS: give action to Shane? 17:38:17 Note that since I am not on the call, the action could use a little context ;-) 17:38:46 MC: found a diagram with poor color contrast (in SVG) 17:39:32 ok 17:39:46 Also, diag needs extended text descript 17:39:57 rrsagent, make minutes 17:39:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html MichaelC 17:39:59 Or even to be accessible svg 17:40:20 issues around color contrast in the Respec CSS 17:40:23 rrsagent, make log world 17:40:26 rrsagent, make minutes 17:40:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html MichaelC 17:40:29 zakim, take up next item 17:40:29 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jf 17:40:33 ack JF 17:40:39 Zakim ,take up next item 17:40:49 zakim, take up next item 17:40:49 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina] 17:40:57 zakim, take up item 4 17:40:57 agendum 4. "Spec Review Process Update -- Michael, Janina" taken up [from See Below via janina] 17:41:44 JS: looking at how to improve this process/tool - Michael has a "tour" to show us his thoughts 17:42:04 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review 17:42:08 JS: making this up on the fly, and time for wider look here 17:42:51 MC: auto-generated index of all the specs we've looked at being tracked in the wiki 17:43:08 Today we talked about https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_App_Manifest 17:43:09 Q+ to ask about capturing date-stamps in the augto-generate process 17:43:48 MC: makes a new wiki page for each spec we look at - category page generates the index insertion 17:45:13 q? 17:45:19 by contrast, https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Requirements_for_WCAG_2.0_Extensions 17:45:44 each page records key actions/comments with dates, to facilitate lookup at a later date 17:46:25 as each 'milestone' is reached on a spec, we can review our internal history and discussion, to stay in sync 17:46:29 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Spec_Review 17:47:20 MC: have run into a few authoring/editing issues, but looking at ways of speeding things up more 17:48:10 looking at creating the wiki pages (and updates) in real time, so a second person will need to be tasked with that 17:48:10 https://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-all 17:50:41 ack jf 17:50:41 jf, you wanted to ask about capturing date-stamps in the augto-generate process 17:50:44 ack jf 17:53:09 JF: also wanted to know about time-stamping on the index page, as well as questions around the tables being used to display the different drafts (etc.) - can we get some love there, and is it possible to make those tables sortable by column? 17:53:32 JS: when we do some work on a spec via email, we need to ensure that this gets captured here as well 17:53:55 MC: have talked about a tool for email scraping for some time now, however it remains a manual process still today 17:53:58 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Flexible_Box_Layout_Module_Level_1 17:54:54 JS: we want the minimum of hand-authored work 17:55:29 richschwer has joined #apa 17:55:47 MC: appears that the list archiving threading function isn't working here 17:57:30 MC: should we link all the emails in the wiki to overcome threading, or simply note that emails may be threaded, and to verify with the W3C archives 17:58:02 JS: should link to the TPAC discussions as well 17:58:15 (with regard to CSS flexbox) 17:59:20 JS: this is a dside-discussion as part of Michael's "tour" 18:00:05 RS: it was 2 years ago at TPAC Santa Clara that we first expressed our concerns 18:00:45 JS: it was a reasonabily good meeting, but not a lot was documented - we indicated that without a written solution we (APA) would have an issue moving forward 18:01:21 MC: Useful to link the TPAC 2014 meeting minutes as well 18:01:36 MC: this shows a continuity and "how long" we've been working on this 18:04:00 zakim, take up item 5 18:04:00 agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina] 18:04:26 MC: Media Queries level 4 18:04:40 we should really keep an eye on this 18:04:44 action: Fred to review Media Queries Level 4 https://www.w3.org/TR/mediaqueries-4/ 18:04:44 Created ACTION-2005 - Review media queries level 4 https://www.w3.org/tr/mediaqueries-4/ [on Fred Esch - due 2016-02-03]. 18:04:50 action-2005? 18:04:50 action-2005 -- Fred Esch to Review media queries level 4 https://www.w3.org/tr/mediaqueries-4/ -- due 2016-02-03 -- OPEN 18:04:50 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2005 18:07:11 [MC reviewing potential specs 18:07:28 https://www.w3.org/TR/CSP3/ 18:07:48 we believe this needs review, not sure whom to assign it too 18:09:28 Draft EME spec 18:09:39 richschwer has joined #apa 18:09:59 action: foliot to draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on EME https://www.w3.org/TR/encrypted-media/ 18:09:59 Created ACTION-2006 - Draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on eme https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ [on John Foliot - due 2016-02-03]. 18:10:03 action-2006? 18:10:03 action-2006 -- John Foliot to Draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on eme https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ -- due 2016-02-03 -- OPEN 18:10:03 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2006 18:10:43 RRSAgent, make logs public 18:11:57 action: fred to review SHACL Use Cases and Requirements https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl-ucr/ 18:12:03 Created ACTION-2007 - Review shacl use cases and requirements https://www.w3.org/tr/shacl-ucr/ [on Fred Esch - due 2016-02-03]. 18:12:43 MC: we need to look at specs between Jan 15 and 21st next week then 18:12:54 JS: yes, we are well beyond the hour 18:13:21 JS: calling end of call 18:13:34 RRSAgent, make logs public 18:13:46 RRSAgent, draft minutes 18:13:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html jf 18:13:58 action-2007? 18:13:58 action-2007 -- Fred Esch to Review shacl use cases and requirements https://www.w3.org/tr/shacl-ucr/ -- due 2016-02-03 -- OPEN 18:13:58 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2007 18:14:13 RRSAgent, publish minutes 18:14:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-minutes.html jf 18:14:23 zakim, please part 18:14:23 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, JF, Janina, LJWatson, Michiel_Bijl, cyns, MichaelC, matt_king, Katie, Haritos-Shea, fesch, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, 18:14:23 Zakim has left #apa 18:14:26 ... Tzviya, mgylling 18:14:33 RRSAgent, please part 18:14:33 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-actions.rdf : 18:14:33 ACTION: Fred to review Media Queries Level 4 https://www.w3.org/TR/mediaqueries-4/ [1] 18:14:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-irc#T18-04-44 18:14:33 ACTION: foliot to draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on EME https://www.w3.org/TR/encrypted-media/ [2] 18:14:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-irc#T18-09-59 18:14:33 ACTION: fred to review SHACL Use Cases and Requirements https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl-ucr/ [3] 18:14:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-apa-irc#T18-11-57