Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

26 Feb 2015


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aphillip, Richard, JcK, matial
Dennis, Felix
Addison Phillips
Addison Phillips


Action Items


close action-403

<trackbot> Closed action-403.

close action-405

<trackbot> Closed action-405.

close action-406

<trackbot> Closed action-406.

close action-407

<trackbot> Closed action-407.

close action-408

<trackbot> Closed action-408.

close action-409

<trackbot> Closed action-409.

Info Share

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Bp_spec_bidi

richard: talked about above wiki page last week
... have a list of do/don't for spec writers
... worked on above
... reviewing webvtt was helpful in updating
... techniques index is where this might go

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs-dynamic

addison: bring sections of that for review here?

richard: also good to ensure that every review's items get harvested here

RADAR and Active Work Review



richard: move the spec checklist under 1.2

addison: okay

richard: over time the spec checklist will bring together guidelines from and link out to all of the other documents :-)

Chairs list process discussion



addison: above is voluntary, suggest that we are looking for a mandatory process step

Predefined (?) Counter Styles Name

no conclusion reached

ISSUE 394: XSLT bug resolution


<trackbot> issue-394 -- decimal-format reference CLDR? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/394


richard: would like it "noted" that we made this comment. not satisfied but won't stop you

<scribe> ACTION: addison: write back to QT asking for issue-394 to be "noted" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-410 - Write back to qt asking for issue-394 to be "noted" [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-05].

WebVTT review



<trackbot> issue-418 -- observation: line wrapping, line balancing ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/418



richard: see in section 6 later?
... don't think you can set css properties for line wrapping
... didn't see it
... they are pretty specific about which css properties you can set
... don't think that's one

addison: keep our eyes on this, add line wrapping properties to comment


<trackbot> issue-419 -- term "NOTE" may not be friendly to users in other languages ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/419

jck: may also be a bidi issue

<arabic> NOTE <latin>

richard: markup would mess up the file in an plain text editing process
... controls are invisible and may create other issues
... seems that we need a "bidi reference model" ?
... how you expect to display, edit, etc.


<trackbot> issue-420 -- no provision for indicating overall content language(s) ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/420

addison: also no way to set the whole document to rtl either


<trackbot> issue-421 -- non-ASCII examples? ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/421

Generally in the document, I don't find a means for indicating the natural language of the content as a whole. There is a cue language span, for spanning runs of text, but no way to indicate the language of the file as a whole (that is, the language outside a spanned section).

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<trackbot> issue-422 -- start/end linked to left/right ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/422

richard: rlm and lrm don't solve all cases
... don't reference the rest of the unicode controls


<trackbot> issue-423 -- Optional BOM ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/423

richard: no need to draw attention?


<trackbot> issue-424 -- Why not ABNF/EBNF? ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/424

richard: railroad diagrams!
... more verbiage could be useful if there were examples
... a picture every so often would make this clear


<trackbot> issue-425 -- Normalization and string identity issues ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/425

addison: need a health warning about divergent byte sequences


<trackbot> issue-426 -- zero or more characters? ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/426


<trackbot> issue-427 -- WebVTT percentage ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/427

A WebVTT percentage consists of the following components: One or more ASCII digits.


<trackbot> issue-428 -- emphasis spans ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/428

addison: other kinds of emphasis?

richard: whether they should provide those rather than relying on CSS?

<b> bold</b>

richard: we have an article about that
... this is presentational markup, have a more general mechanism
... you'd want bouten marks in Japanese on TVs for example


<trackbot> issue-429 -- "valid" language tag ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/429


<trackbot> issue-430 -- No character escapes ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/430


<trackbot> issue-431 -- ruby + rt sufficient? ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/431

richard: html ruby model
... doesn't handle double-sided
... want to start small and grow later might be okay

addison: no group ruby?

richard: by having separate rt spans


<trackbot> issue-432 -- processing model handling of bidi ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/432

richard: apparently some tests exist

<scribe> ACTION: addison: notify WebVTT that we are actively reviewing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-411 - Notify webvtt that we are actively reviewing [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-05].

appmanifest Review



This specification defines a JSON-based manifest that provides developers with a centralized place to put metadata associated with a web application. This includes, but is not limited to, the web application's name, links to icons, as well as the preferred URL to open when a user launches the web application. The manifest also allows developers to declare a default orientation for their web application, as well as providing the ability to set the display[CUT]

<matial_> have to leave


Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: notify WebVTT that we are actively reviewing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write back to QT asking for issue-394 to be "noted" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
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