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14:59:13 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:59:15 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:59:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:59:18 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Feb/0022.html
14:59:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
14:59:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:59:18 <trackbot> Date: 26 February 2015
14:59:22 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:59:26 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:59:30 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:59:43 <aphillip> Regrets+ Dennis
14:59:54 <aphillip> Regrets+ Dennis
15:00:00 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:00:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:00:12 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
15:00:21 <aphillip> agenda+ Chairs list process discussion
15:00:33 <aphillip> agenda+ Charmod-Norm
15:00:43 <aphillip> agenda+ Predefined (?) Counter Styles Name
15:00:54 <aphillip> agenda+ ISSUE 394: XSLT bug resolution
15:01:04 <aphillip> agenda+ appmanifest Review
15:01:09 <aphillip> agenda+ WebVTT review
15:01:46 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has now started
15:01:54 <Zakim> +aphillip
15:02:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:02:33 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:02:33 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:02:34 <Zakim> +Richard
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15:06:41 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:06:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see aphillip, Richard
15:06:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
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15:07:08 <aphillip> agenda?
15:07:28 <Zakim> +JcK
15:08:43 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:08:48 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:08:49 <Zakim> +??P14
15:09:06 <matial> zakim, ??p14 is me
15:09:06 <Zakim> +matial; got it
15:09:14 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:12:28 <aphillip> close action-403
15:12:28 <trackbot> Closed action-403.
15:13:05 <aphillip> close action-405
15:13:05 <trackbot> Closed action-405.
15:13:49 <aphillip> close action-406
15:13:49 <trackbot> Closed action-406.
15:14:05 <aphillip> close action-407
15:14:05 <trackbot> Closed action-407.
15:14:26 <aphillip> close action-408
15:14:26 <trackbot> Closed action-408.
15:14:39 <aphillip> close action-409
15:14:39 <trackbot> Closed action-409.
15:14:45 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:15:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:15:14 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Bp_spec_bidi
15:15:24 <aphillip> richard: talked about above wiki page
15:15:37 <aphillip> ... have a list of do/don't for spec writers
15:15:54 <aphillip> ... worked on above
15:16:11 <aphillip> ... reviewing webvtt was helpful in updating
15:17:28 <aphillip> richard: techniques document is where this might go
15:17:30 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs-dynamic
15:19:21 <aphillip> addison: bring sections of that for review here?
15:19:34 <aphillip> richard: also good to ensure that every review's items get harvested here
15:20:50 <aphillip> agenda?
15:21:02 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:21:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
15:21:23 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
15:22:24 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
15:23:31 <aphillip> richard: move the spec checklist under 1.2
15:23:34 <aphillip> addison: okay
15:24:22 <aphillip> richard: over time the spec checklist will subsume all of the other documents :-)
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15:24:35 <aphillip> agenda?
15:25:11 <r12a> s/subsume/bring together guidelines from and link out to/
15:25:27 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:25:27 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Chairs list process discussion" taken up [from aphillip]
15:26:30 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2015JanMar/0085.html
15:26:39 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview#Horizontal_Groups
15:27:47 <aphillip> addison: above is voluntary, suggest that we are looking for a mandatory process step
15:34:34 <aphillip> agenda?
15:36:25 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:36:25 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Predefined (?) Counter Styles Name" taken up [from aphillip]
15:39:40 <aphillip> agenda?
15:40:10 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:40:10 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ISSUE 394: XSLT bug resolution" taken up [from aphillip]
15:40:14 <aphillip> issue-394?
15:40:14 <trackbot> issue-394 -- decimal-format reference CLDR? -- open
15:40:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/394
15:40:40 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015JanMar/0038.html
15:45:16 <aphillip> richard: would like it "noted" that we made this comment. not satisfied but won't stop you
15:45:53 <aphillip> action: addison: write back to QT asking for issue-394 to be "noted"
15:45:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-410 - Write back to qt asking for issue-394 to be "noted" [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-05].
15:45:59 <aphillip> agenda?
15:47:01 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:47:01 <Zakim> agendum 7. "WebVTT review" taken up [from aphillip]
15:47:07 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/73
15:48:01 <aphillip> issue-418?
15:48:01 <trackbot> issue-418 -- observation: line wrapping, line balancing ⓟ -- open
15:48:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/418
15:48:17 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-webvtt1-20141113/
15:48:25 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#cues-with-multiple-lines
15:50:26 <aphillip> richard: see in section 6 later?
15:50:44 <aphillip> ... don't think you can set css properties for line wrapping
15:50:48 <aphillip> ... didn't see it
15:50:58 <aphillip> ... they are pretty specific about which css properties you can set
15:51:03 <aphillip> ... don't think that's one
15:51:29 <aphillip> addison: keep our eyes on this, add line wrapping properties to comment
15:52:12 <aphillip> issue-419?
15:52:12 <trackbot> issue-419 -- term "NOTE" may not be friendly to users in other languages ⓟ -- open
15:52:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/419
15:54:35 <aphillip> jck: may also be a bidi issue
15:55:27 <aphillip> <arabic> NOTE <latin>
15:56:35 <aphillip> richard: markup would mess up the file in an plain text editing process
15:56:44 <aphillip> ... controls are invisible and may create other issues
15:57:36 <aphillip> richard: seems that we need a "bidi reference model" ?
15:57:47 <aphillip> ... how you expect to display, edit, etc.
15:58:13 <aphillip> issue-420?
15:58:13 <trackbot> issue-420 -- no provision for indicating overall content language(s) ⓟ -- open
15:58:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/420
15:59:18 <aphillip> addison: also no way to set the whole document to rtl either
16:00:16 <aphillip> issue-421?
16:00:16 <trackbot> issue-421 -- non-ASCII examples? ⓟ -- open
16:00:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/421
16:01:01 <aphillip> Generally in the document, I don't find a means for indicating the natural language of the content as a whole. There is a cue language span, for spanning runs of text, but no way to indicate the language of the file as a whole (that is, the language outside a spanned section).
16:01:37 <aphillip> <!-- -->
16:01:47 <aphillip> #
16:02:36 <aphillip> issue-422?
16:02:37 <trackbot> issue-422 -- start/end linked to left/right ⓟ -- open
16:02:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/422
16:05:28 <aphillip> richard: rlm and lrm don't solve all cases
16:05:44 <aphillip> ... don't reference the rest of the unicode controls
16:08:27 <aphillip> issue-423?
16:08:27 <trackbot> issue-423 -- Optional BOM ⓟ -- open
16:08:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/423
16:09:33 <aphillip> richard: no need to draw attention?
16:09:37 <aphillip> issue-424?
16:09:37 <trackbot> issue-424 -- Why not ABNF/EBNF? ⓟ -- open
16:09:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/424
16:11:27 <aphillip> richard: railroad diagrams!
16:12:28 <aphillip> ... more verbiage could be useful if there were examples
16:12:41 <aphillip> ... a picture every so often would make this clear
16:12:48 <aphillip> issue-425?
16:12:48 <trackbot> issue-425 -- Normalization and string identity issues ⓟ -- open
16:12:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/425
16:14:17 <aphillip> addison: need a health warning about divergent byte sequences
16:14:50 <aphillip> issue-426?
16:14:50 <trackbot> issue-426 -- zero or more characters? ⓟ -- open
16:14:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/426
16:16:10 <aphillip> issue-427?
16:16:10 <trackbot> issue-427 -- WebVTT percentage ⓟ -- open
16:16:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/427
16:16:30 <aphillip> A WebVTT percentage consists of the following components:  One or more ASCII digits.
16:17:55 <aphillip> issue-428?
16:17:55 <trackbot> issue-428 -- emphasis spans ⓟ -- open
16:17:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/428
16:18:23 <aphillip> addison: other kinds of emphasis?
16:18:38 <aphillip> richard: whether they should provide those rather than relying on CSS?
16:19:07 <aphillip> <b>bold</b>
16:19:21 <aphillip> richard: we have an article about that
16:20:06 <aphillip> ... this is presentational markup, have a more general mechanism
16:20:19 <aphillip> ... you'd want bouten marks in Japanese on TVs for example
16:20:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:20:29 <aphillip> issue-429?
16:20:29 <trackbot> issue-429 -- "valid" language tag ⓟ -- open
16:20:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/429
16:21:28 <aphillip> issue-430?
16:21:29 <trackbot> issue-430 -- No character escapes ⓟ -- open
16:21:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/430
16:22:29 <aphillip> issue-431?
16:22:29 <trackbot> issue-431 -- ruby + rt sufficient? ⓟ -- open
16:22:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/431
16:23:35 <aphillip> richard: html ruby model
16:23:40 <aphillip> ... doesn't handle double-sided
16:23:49 <aphillip> ... want to start small and grow later might be okay
16:24:12 <aphillip> addison: no group ruby?
16:24:18 <aphillip> richard: by having separate rt spans
16:24:41 <aphillip> issue-432?
16:24:41 <trackbot> issue-432 -- processing model handling of bidi ⓟ -- open
16:24:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/432
16:29:26 <aphillip> richard: apparently some tests exist
16:30:54 <Zakim> -JcK
16:31:45 <aphillip> action: addison: notify WebVTT that we are actively reviewing
16:31:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-411 - Notify webvtt that we are actively reviewing [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-05].
16:32:13 <aphillip> agenda?
16:32:22 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 6
16:32:22 <Zakim> agendum 6. "appmanifest Review" taken up [from aphillip]
16:32:34 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/74
16:34:15 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-appmanifest-20150212/
16:34:43 <aphillip>  This specification defines a JSON-based manifest that provides developers with a centralized place to put metadata associated with a web application. This includes, but is not limited to, the web application's name, links to icons, as well as the preferred URL to open when a user launches the web application. The manifest also allows developers to declare a default orientation for their web application, as well as providing the ability to set the display[CUT]
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16:37:35 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:37:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:38:23 <Zakim> -aphillip
16:38:28 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
16:38:28 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
16:38:29 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended
16:38:29 <Zakim> Attendees were aphillip, Richard, JcK, matial
16:46:41 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:46:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:46:44 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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17:16:40 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
17:16:40 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-actions.rdf :
17:16:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write back to QT asking for issue-394 to be "noted" [1]
17:16:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-irc#T15-45-53
17:16:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: notify WebVTT that we are actively reviewing [2]
17:16:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/26-i18n-irc#T16-31-45