Publishing Working Group Telco — Minutes

Date: 2019-08-05

See also the Agenda and the IRC Log

Attendees

Present: Ivan Herman, Kenneth Dougherty, Dave Cramer, Luc Audrain, Ben Schroeter, Garth Conboy, Jun Gamou, Rachel Comerford, Joshua Pyle, Franco Alvarado, Jasmine Mulliken, George Kerscher, Matt Garrish, Tim Cole, Romain Deltour, Nellie McKesson, Bill Kasdorf, Marisa DeMeglio, Brady Duga, Laurent Le Meur, Benjamin Young, Mateus Teixeira, David Stroup

Regrets: Tzviya Siegman, Wendy Reid, gregorio, Avneesh Singh, Ric Wright

Guests:

Chair: Garth Conboy

Scribe(s): Dave Cramer

Content:

Garth Conboy: https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2019/2019-07-29-pwg

Garth Conboy: shall we approve the minutes?

all: silence

Resolution #1: last week’s minutes approved

Garth Conboy: minutes approved

1. publication schedules

Garth Conboy: UCR, Web Pub as notes
… the packaging doc as a note
… web pub manifest and audio as rec track

1.1. WPUB and UCR Notes

Garth Conboy: ivan, do you want to talk about where we are on the first two?

Ivan Herman: the UCR is ready to go
… I have cross-checked it with the checkers
… it has to be published by the webmaster… Thursday is possible
… but we should sync with web publication note
… Matt would know where we are with WPUB note

Matt Garrish: See Open PR for the WPUB Note

Matt Garrish: we have an open PR (see above)
… that’s to add in the status of this doc, the final proposed text
… otherwise it’s publishing it verbatim
… what we probably need is consensus to publish as a note
… if we can get that, it’s not a big issue

Ivan Herman: that’s correct
… the clean thing is to have a formal resolution
… we have this already for UCR

Garth Conboy: is that a matter of wanting a consensus on this call?

Ivan Herman: yes

Luc Audrain: there are five documents
… the three last ones are related
… and the two first ones are
… ivan, you said…

Garth Conboy: UCR has references to web publications, so they should go concurrently
… we have consensus to publish UCR, but not yet to do WPUB

Luc Audrain: you answered :)

Garth Conboy: do we have consensus to publish WPUB as a note?

Proposed resolution: Publish the WPUB as a Note based on PR #461 (Ivan Herman)

Tim Cole: +1

Garth Conboy: is consensus is on the call sufficient?

Ivan Herman: +1

Garth Conboy: +1

Matt Garrish: +1

Joshua Pyle: +1

Bill Kasdorf: +1

Romain Deltour: +1

Jun Gamou: +1

George Kerscher: +1

Marisa DeMeglio: +1

Rachel Comerford: +1

Luc Audrain: +1

Resolution #2: Publish the WPUB as a Note based on PR #461

Garth Conboy: we have consensus

Ivan Herman: on the practicalities, matt you can ping me when it’s ready to go? Then I’ll take it to webmaster
… I’ll try for Thursday, if not it will be next week

1.2. rec-track publications (Audiobooks and manifest) and Lightweight Packaging

Garth Conboy: the bottom 3 is packaging, audio, and manifest
… we might be better off with dropping the “web” in front of publication manifest to avoid confusion
… and discussion on that?

Ivan Herman: I am ok with it

Bill Kasdorf: +1

Dave Cramer: I think we should remove the word “web”

Luc Audrain: +1 to dauwhe

Matt Garrish: we’ve not called this the WPUB manifest, if we’re pulling out publication manifest, we should continue not to call it the web publication manifest
… and it avoids some legacy baggage
… we’re making a break from web publications and working on other things
… we’re working on a more general manifest

Proposed resolution: change “Web Publication Manifest” to “Publication Manifest” (Garth Conboy)

Garth Conboy: +1

Ivan Herman: +1

Dave Cramer: +1

Benjamin Young: +1

Matt Garrish: +1

Luc Audrain: +1

Franco Alvarado: +1

Romain Deltour: +1

Tim Cole: +1

Rachel Comerford: +1

Joshua Pyle: +1

Bill Kasdorf: +1

Marisa DeMeglio: +1

George Kerscher: +1

Resolution #3: Proposal: change “Web Publication Manifest” to “Publication Manifest”

Garth Conboy: so we have three publications
… we have packaging, which would be a note
… and audio and manifest would be rec

Ivan Herman: yes
… we did agree packaging is a note

Garth Conboy: the agenda had us making a plan for a schedule to publish these
… I am open to suggestions
… given that REC is harder than note we should discuss packaging separately
… laurent, what about open issues?
… we have a working draft

Laurent Le Meur: at the moment it’s separate text, I have to know if I have to include inside audiobook doc, or if it should be separate

Ivan Herman: the questions could arise whether the publication manifest should be put together with audio as one big document
… last week we said it would be better separate, so other things could use it
… the same argument would apply to packaging
… it’s better for it to stay as a separate note

Garth Conboy: the different statuses imply that

Laurent Le Meur: I have to add one para about not deflating binary resources
… which is already in EPUB 3
… and packaging is the proper place for that. I can add by end of the week.
… I also need to change the structure of the files
… and I must do some kitchen work :)
… maybe I’ll need your help, Ivan

Action #1: create a separate LPF repository (Ivan Herman)

Ivan Herman: I will create a separate repo

George Kerscher: just want to make clear
… you’re not going to compress the audio files, which are already compressed with a codec? You’re not going to re-compress?

Laurent Le Meur: exactly

Garth Conboy: with a para to be added and some kitchen cleanup, what timeframe?
… maybe on the 19th?

Laurent Le Meur: that’s ok for me

Ivan Herman: from a public relations point of view, it would be a good idea if the audio, manifest, and packaging were published at the same time
… I don’t know if we have an agreed date for the other two

Garth Conboy: we can probably do a date for manifest, but I can’t speak for Wendy on a date for audio

Ivan Herman: we can propose something then we can revisit

Garth Conboy: then can we get consensus for all three two weeks from today?

Ivan Herman: two weeks from today, you mean that on the 19th these documents are ready to be reviewed by this group?

Garth Conboy: and we would use that call to make a pub decision

Matt Garrish: I started working at pulling manifest out of WPUB
… we need new infrastructure, new repos, new short names
… I think we could do in two weeks?
… we also have to update audiobooks because of xrefs
… we can target two weeks and check in next week

Ivan Herman: for what you ask, setting up a repo is not a big deal. I can do it tomorrow.
… it is good if the repo name reflects the short name
… so we should agree on that now.

George Kerscher: once the WG publishing these three documents as notes

Garth Conboy: one as note and two as working drafts

George Kerscher: what happens to notes after the WG is closed? who maintains those notes?

Ivan Herman: for notes, any other group can keep them up
… the publishing CG could experiment with the WPUB note, for example
… REC is different

Matt Garrish: the obvious short name would be pubmanifest or pub-manifest

Garth Conboy: pubman

Matt Garrish: how short do we want to make it? :)

Ivan Herman: +1 to pub-manifest

Garth Conboy: I tend to think what makes mgarrish and ivan happy works

Proposed resolution: the short name for Publication Manifest will be pub-manifest (Ivan Herman)

Bill Kasdorf: +1

Matt Garrish: +1

Luc Audrain: +1

Tim Cole: +1

Garth Conboy: +1

Ivan Herman: +1

Joshua Pyle: +1

Jun Gamou: +1

Tim Cole: +1

Ivan Herman: it has to be formalized for the rest of the administration

Bill Kasdorf: +1

David Stroup: +1

Resolution #4: the short name for Publication Manifest will be pub-manifest

Garth Conboy: that’s on you?

Ivan Herman: that’s on me

Action #2: set up a repository for pub-manifest (Ivan Herman)

Garth Conboy: I have a proposal

Proposed resolution: Have all three (LPF, Publication Manifest, Audiobooks) ready for Publication and consensus by the group to go ahead with Publication on August 19 (Garth Conboy)

Matt Garrish: +1

Garth Conboy: +1

Bill Kasdorf: +1

Jun Gamou: +1

Joshua Pyle: +1

Ivan Herman: +1

Tim Cole: +1

David Stroup: +1

Luc Audrain: +1

Garth Conboy: that seems to be accepted

Laurent Le Meur: +1

Resolution #5: Have all three (LPF, Publication Manifest, Audiobooks) ready for Publication and consensus by the group to go ahead with Publication on August 19

1.3. planning

Ivan Herman: let’s prepare ourselves
… the 19th should be when we agree on everything, the docs would go out that week or the week after
… we should plan for ourselves, we should read those docs so that at TPAC we can work on those docs to get them ready for CR

2. Misc

Dave Cramer: Garth any other business for this call?

Ivan Herman: thanks to Dave for scribing and Matt for joining us on a holiday

David Stroup: I don’t know if anything’s been done yet
… kenneth from my team is joining
… he’s on the call today

Kenneth Dougherty: hello everyone

Joshua Pyle: if there’s an award for the most proposals in a meeting we should nominate garth

Garth Conboy: any other business? going twice?
… we’ll have Wendy back next week.
… thanks all!

3. Resolutions

4. Action Items