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15:43:35 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Working Group Telco
15:43:35 <ivan> Chair: garth
15:43:35 <ivan> Date: 2019-08-05
15:43:35 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2019Aug/0001.html
15:43:36 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2019-08-05: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2019Aug/0001.html
15:43:37 <ivan> Regrets+ tzviya, wendy, gregorio, avneesh, rkwright
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16:01:03 <dauwhe> Zakim, why are we here?
16:01:03 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dauwhe.
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16:03:22 <garth> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2019/2019-07-29-pwg
16:03:23 <George> present+
16:03:24 <ivan> present+ timCole
16:03:35 <dauwhe> garth: shall we approve the minutes?
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16:03:38 <dauwhe> all: silence
16:03:53 <ivan> resolved: last week's minutes approved
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16:03:56 <dauwhe> garth: minutes approved
16:04:00 <romain> present+
16:04:45 <ivan> topic: publication schedules
16:04:47 <dauwhe> Topic: publication schedules
16:04:54 <dauwhe> ... UCR, Web Pub as notes
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16:05:00 <dauwhe> ... the packaging doc as a note
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16:05:09 <dauwhe> ... web pub manifest and audio as rec track
16:05:22 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+
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16:05:29 <dauwhe> ... ivan, do you want to talk about where we are on the first two?
16:05:33 <Nellie> present+
16:05:36 <dauwhe> ivan: the UCR is ready to go
16:05:37 <marisa> present+
16:05:43 <dauwhe> ... I have cross-checked it with the checkers
16:05:58 <dauwhe> ... it has to be published by the webmaster... thursday is possible
16:06:07 <dauwhe> ... but we should sync with web publication note
16:06:41 <dauwhe> ... matt would know where we are with WPUB note
16:06:47 <mgarrish> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/pull/461
16:06:48 <dauwhe> mgarrish: we have an open PR
16:07:00 <dauwhe> ... that's to add in the status of this doc, the final proposed text
16:07:08 <dauwhe> ... otherwise it's publishing it verbatim
16:07:21 <dauwhe> ... what we probably need is consensus to publish as a note
16:07:38 <dauwhe> ... if we can get that, it's not a big issue
16:07:42 <dauwhe> ivan: that's correct
16:07:49 <dauwhe> ... the clean thing is to have a formal resolution
16:07:54 <dauwhe> ... we have this already for UCR
16:08:00 <ivan> present+ josh
16:08:06 <dauwhe> garth: is that a matter of wanting a consensus on this call?
16:08:10 <laudrain> q+
16:08:15 <dauwhe> ivan: yes
16:08:18 <dauwhe> q?
16:08:20 <garth> q?
16:08:32 <garth> ack laudrain
16:08:34 <dauwhe> laudrain: there are five documents
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16:08:51 <dauwhe> ... the three last ones are related
16:08:58 <dauwhe> ... and the two first ones are
16:09:04 <dauwhe> ... ivan, you said...
16:09:16 <dauwhe> garth: UCR has references to web publications, so they should go concurrently
16:09:29 <dauwhe> ... we have consensus to publish UCR, but not yet to do WPUB
16:09:38 <dauwhe> laudrain: you answered :)
16:09:48 <dauwhe> garth: do we have consensus to publish WPUB as a note?
16:09:53 <ivan> proposed: Publish the WPUB as a Note based on PR #461
16:10:07 <timCole> +1
16:10:08 <dauwhe> garth: is consensus is on the call sufficient?
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16:10:11 <ivan> +1
16:10:12 <garth> +1
16:10:12 <mgarrish> +1
16:10:13 <josh> +1
16:10:15 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:10:16 <romain> +1
16:10:17 <JunGamo> +1
16:10:21 <George> +1
16:10:23 <marisa> +1
16:10:28 <Rachel> +1
16:10:48 <laudrain> +1
16:10:48 <ivan> resolved: Publish the WPUB as a Note based on PR #461
16:10:52 <dauwhe> garth: we have consensus
16:11:11 <dauwhe> ivan: on the practicalities, matt you can ping me when it's ready to go? Then I'll take it to webmaster
16:11:14 <garth> q?
16:11:20 <dauwhe> ... I'll try for Thursday, if not it will be next week
16:11:27 <laurent> present+
16:11:43 <dauwhe> garth: the bottom 3 is packaging, audio, and manifest
16:12:04 <dauwhe> ... we might be better off with dropping the "web" in front of publication manifest to avoid confusion
16:12:10 <garth> q?
16:12:12 <dauwhe> ... and discussion on that?
16:12:22 <dauwhe> q+
16:12:27 <garth> q?
16:12:29 <dauwhe> ivan: I am ok with it
16:12:29 <ivan> subtopic: rec-track publications
16:12:35 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:12:39 <mgarrish> q+
16:12:44 <ivan> present+ bigbluehat
16:12:50 <garth> ?
16:12:52 <garth> q?
16:12:55 <dauwhe> dauwhe: I think we should remove the word "web"
16:12:57 <garth> ack dauwhe
16:12:58 <laudrain> +1 to dau
16:13:02 <garth> ack mgarrish
16:13:05 <laudrain> +1 to dauwhe
16:13:18 <dauwhe> mgarrish: we've not called this the WPUB manifest, if we're pulling out publication manifest, we should continue not to call it the web publication manifest
16:13:26 <dauwhe> ... and it avoids some legacy baggage
16:13:35 <garth> Proposal: s/Web Publication Manifest/Publication Manifest/
16:13:36 <dauwhe> ...we're making a break from web publications and working on other things
16:13:42 <dauwhe> ... we're working on a more general manifest
16:13:45 <garth> +1
16:13:47 <ivan> +1
16:13:47 <dauwhe> garth: I put a proposal in IRC
16:13:49 <dauwhe> +1
16:13:50 <bigbluehat> +1
16:13:51 <mgarrish> +1
16:13:54 <laudrain> +1
16:13:57 <franco> +1
16:13:57 <romain> +1
16:13:59 <timCole> +1
16:14:04 <Rachel> +1
16:14:04 <josh> +1
16:14:08 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:14:08 <marisa> +1
16:14:11 <George> +1
16:14:13 <ivan> resolved: s/Web Publication Manifest/Publication Manifest/
16:14:16 <dauwhe> garth: so we have three publications
16:14:17 <garth> q?
16:14:37 <dauwhe> ... we have packaging, which would be a note
16:14:43 <dauwhe> ... and audio and manifest would be rec
16:14:44 <dauwhe> ivan: yes
16:14:55 <dauwhe> ... we did agree packaging is a note
16:15:15 <dauwhe> garth: the agenda had us making a plan for a schedule to publish these
16:15:20 <dauwhe> ... I am open to suggestions
16:15:43 <dauwhe> ... given that REC is harder than note we should discuss packaging separately
16:15:52 <dauwhe> ... laurent, what about open issues?
16:16:04 <dauwhe> ... we have a working draft
16:16:04 <garth> q?
16:16:22 <ivan> q+
16:16:30 <dauwhe> laurent: at the moment it's separate text, I have to know if I have to include inside audiobook doc, or if it should be separate
16:16:36 <garth> ack ivan
16:17:02 <dauwhe> ivan: the questions could arise whether the publication manifest should be put together with audio as one big document
16:17:17 <dauwhe> ... last week we said it would be better separate, so other things could use it
16:17:24 <dauwhe> ... the same argument would apply to packaging
16:17:29 <garth> q?
16:17:31 <dauwhe> ... it's better for it to stay as a separate note
16:17:50 <dauwhe> garth: the different statuses imply that
16:18:06 <dauwhe> laurent: I have to add one para about not deflating binary resources
16:18:13 <dauwhe> ... which is already in EPUB 3
16:18:16 <garth> q?
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16:18:30 <dauwhe> ... and packaging is the proper place for that. I can add by end of the week.
16:18:40 <dauwhe> ... I also need to change the structure of the files
16:18:49 <George> Do you mean compression within the package?
16:18:56 <dauwhe> ... and I must do some kitchen work :)
16:19:14 <dauwhe> laurent: maybe I'll need your help, Ivan
16:19:22 <ivan> action: ivan to create a separate lpf repository
16:19:22 <garth> q?
16:19:30 <George> q+
16:19:37 <ivan> present+ George
16:19:41 <dauwhe> ivan: I will create a separate repo
16:19:45 <garth> ack George
16:19:55 <dauwhe> George: just want to make clear
16:20:18 <dauwhe> ... you're not going to compress the audio files, which are already compressed with a codex? You're not going to re-compress?
16:20:21 <dauwhe> laurent: exactly
16:20:34 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/codex/codec
16:20:36 <dauwhe> garth: with a para to be added and some kitchen cleanup, what timeframe?
16:20:42 <ivan> q+
16:20:57 <garth> ack ivan
16:21:01 <dauwhe> garth: maybe on the 19th?
16:21:04 <dauwhe> laurent: that'
16:21:09 <dauwhe> ... s ok for me
16:21:34 <dauwhe> ivan: from a public relations point of view, it would be a good idea if the audio, manifest, and packaging were published at the same time
16:21:50 <dauwhe> ... I don't know if we have an agreed date for the other two
16:22:19 <dauwhe> garth: we can probably do a date for manifest, but I can't speak for Wendy on a date for audio
16:22:35 <dauwhe> ivan: we can propose something than we can revisit
16:22:41 <dauwhe> s/than/then/
16:22:56 <dauwhe> garth: then can we get consensus for all three two weeks from today?
16:23:17 <dauwhe> ivan: two weeks from today, you mean that on the 19th these documents are ready to be reviewed by this group?
16:23:25 <dauwhe> garth: and we would use that call to make a pub decision
16:23:54 <dauwhe> mgarrish: I started working at pulling manifest out of WPUB
16:24:15 <dauwhe> ... we need new infrastructure, new repos, new shortnames
16:24:20 <dauwhe> ... I think we could do in two weeks?
16:24:29 <dauwhe> ... we also have to update audiobooks because of xrefs
16:24:38 <ivan> q+
16:24:46 <garth> q?
16:24:49 <dauwhe> ... we can target two weeks and check in next week
16:24:50 <garth> ack  ivan
16:25:03 <dauwhe> ivan: for what you ask, setting up a repo is not a big deal. I can do it tomorrow.
16:25:13 <dauwhe> ... it is good if the repo name reflects the shortname
16:25:20 <dauwhe> ... so we should agree on that now.
16:25:35 <George> q+
16:26:07 <mgarrish> q+
16:26:07 <dauwhe> George: once the WG publishing these three documents as notes
16:26:17 <dauwhe> garth: one as note and two as working drafts
16:26:31 <dauwhe> George: what happens to notes after the WG is closed? who maintains those notes?
16:26:40 <dauwhe> ivan: for notes, any other group can keep them up
16:26:44 <garth> q?
16:26:47 <garth> ack George
16:26:50 <dauwhe> ... REC is different
16:27:17 <dauwhe> ... the publishing CG could experiment with the WPUB note, for example
16:27:23 <garth> ack mgarrish
16:27:33 <dauwhe> mgarrish: the obvious short name would be pubmanifest or pub-manifest
16:27:35 <dauwhe> garth: pubman
16:27:44 <dauwhe> mgarrish: how short do we want to make it? :)
16:27:50 <ivan> +1 to pub-manifest
16:28:04 <garth> q?
16:28:05 <dauwhe> garth: I tend to think what makes mgarrish and ivan happy works
16:28:07 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:28:09 <mgarrish> +1
16:28:16 <laudrain> +1
16:28:22 <timCole> +1
16:28:30 <ivan> proposed: the short name for Publication Manifest will be pub-manifest
16:28:33 <garth> +1
16:28:33 <ivan> +1
16:28:36 <josh> +1
16:28:37 <JunGamo> +1
16:28:44 <timCole> +1
16:28:48 <dauwhe> ivan: it has to be formalized for the rest of the administration
16:28:49 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:28:50 <ivan> resolved: the short name for Publication Manifest will be pub-manifest
16:28:51 <dauwhe> garth: that's on you?
16:28:52 <david_stroup> +1
16:28:55 <dauwhe> ivan: that's on me
16:28:59 <dauwhe> garth: I have a proposal
16:29:10 <garth> Proposal: Have all three (LPF, Publication Manifest, Audiobooks) ready for Publicaiton and concensus by the group to go ahead with Publication on 8/19
16:29:15 <ivan> action: ivan to set up a repository for pub-manifest
16:29:36 <mgarrish> +1
16:29:40 <garth> +1
16:29:43 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:29:45 <JunGamo> +1
16:29:47 <josh> +1
16:29:48 <ivan> +1
16:29:55 <timCole> +1
16:30:03 <david_stroup> +1
16:30:09 <ivan> present+ david_stroup
16:30:13 <laudrain> +1
16:30:17 <garth> q?
16:30:17 <dauwhe> garth: that seems to be accepted
16:30:17 <laurent> +1
16:30:25 <ivan> q+
16:30:26 <dauwhe> ... any other business for this call?
16:30:41 <garth> q?
16:30:43 <garth> ack ivan
16:30:43 <dauwhe> ... thanks to Dave for scribing and Matt for joining us on a holiday
16:30:47 <david_stroup> q+
16:30:52 <dauwhe> ivan: let's prepare ourselves
16:31:10 <dauwhe> ... the 19th should be when we agree on everything, the docs would go out that week or the week after
16:31:23 <josh> q+
16:31:27 <garth> q?
16:31:33 <dauwhe> ... we should plan for ourselves, we should read those docs so that at TPAC we can work on those docs to get them ready for CR
16:31:44 <garth> ack  david_stroup
16:31:51 <dauwhe> david_stroup: I don't know if anything's been done yet
16:31:58 <dauwhe> ... kenneth from my team is joining
16:32:02 <ivan> topic: new member
16:32:03 <dauwhe> ... he's on the call today
16:32:09 <garth> Q?
16:32:11 <dauwhe> Kenneth: hello everyone
16:32:16 <garth> ack josh
16:32:33 <garth> q?
16:32:35 <dauwhe> josh: if there's an award for the most proposals in a meeting we should nominate garth
16:32:46 <dauwhe> garth: any other business? going twice?
16:32:54 <dauwhe> ... we'll have Wendy back next week.
16:32:58 <dauwhe> ... thanks all!
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16:33:14 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:33:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/05-pwg-minutes.html ivan
16:33:14 <ivan> zakim, bye
16:33:14 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:33:14 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2019/08/05-pwg-actions.rdf :
16:33:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ivan to create a separate lpf repository [1]
16:33:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/08/05-pwg-irc#T16-19-22
16:33:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ivan to set up a repository for pub-manifest [2]
16:33:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/08/05-pwg-irc#T16-29-15
16:33:14 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been ivan, Kenneth_Dougherty, dauwhe, laudrain, BenSchroeter, Garth, JunGamo, Rachel, josh, franco, jasminemulliken, mgarrish, George,
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