EPUB 3 Working Group Telco — Minutes

Date: 2021-09-30

See also the Agenda and the IRC Log


Present: Murata Makoto, Toshiaki Koike, Ben Schroeter, Wendy Reid, Masakazu Kitahara, Brady Duga, Dave Cramer, Shinya Takami (高見真也), Matt Garrish

Regrets: Matthew Chan


Chair: Wendy Reid

Scribe(s): Ben Schroeter


1. TPAC Registration

Wendy Reid: See TPAC Registration page

Wendy Reid: don’t forget to register for TPAC

2. Global Language Support

See github issue #1809.

See github pull request #1816.

Matt Garrish: Global language support is talked about in EPUB3 overview… does it belong there?

Murata Makoto: no strong opinion, but at that time global language support was important to promote EPUB3; this is no longer the case.

Wendy Reid: change would make the overview more like a W3C document instead of a sales document

Matt Garrish: I’m good either way

Proposed resolution: Merge PR 1816, close issue 1809 (Wendy Reid)

Ben Schroeter: +1

Toshiaki Koike: +1

Brady Duga: +1

Shinya Takami (高見真也): +1

Murata Makoto: +1

Wendy Reid: +1

Matt Garrish: +1

Masakazu Kitahara: +1

Dan Lazin: +1

Dave Cramer: +1

Resolution #1: Merge PR 1816, close issue 1809

3. Schema in EPUB Accessibility

See github issue #1799.

See github pull request #1808.

Matt Garrish: we started off listing the schema.org properties, then we went to the ISO version of the document where schema.org is not considered very normative, so we referred to the techniques document… so we have to prove that schema.org is a stable and valid reference
… we need to show there is a method for maintaining the vocabularies. Need to work with W3C; it is an ongoing conversation. Still in limbo until we have a proper home for the metadata.

Dave Cramer: can we merge the pull request?

Matt Garrish: would like to get a formal ok first from Ivan

Dave Cramer: we should merge it instead of leaving it hanging as we seek horizontal reviews, etc.

Wendy Reid: we reference schema elsewhere

Matt Garrish: we have a mapping file in those cases

Murata Makoto: can we use living document?

Wendy Reid: there are procedures for using living documents

Dave Cramer: can we propose to merge the PR?

Matt Garrish: it’s been referenced in other standards, yet we need to show stability even though it’s been allowed elsewhere
… need a repository and issue tracker to show that we maintain it properly

Murata Makoto: Registries are considered a back door for extending international standards; that’s why ISO doesn’t like it. Also there are fees associated.

Matt Garrish: it’s a gray area. It’s part of the web and we have to work with it.

Murata Makoto: Let’s make Ivan’s life interesting!

Proposed resolution: Merge PR 1808, leave issue 1799 open until schema issue is resolved (Wendy Reid)

Dave Cramer: +1

Shinya Takami (高見真也): +1

Murata Makoto: +1

Matt Garrish: +1

Wendy Reid: +1

Toshiaki Koike: +1

Masakazu Kitahara: +1

Dan Lazin: +1

Ben Schroeter: 0

Resolution #2: Merge PR 1808, leave issue 1799 open until schema issue is resolved

4. Testing Update

Wendy Reid: See Video of last weeks presentation

Wendy Reid: See EPUB test repository

Wendy Reid: We did an update on testing last week. Lot’s of updates to the testing repository. There’s a link to the video on how to create tests. Also step by step instructions.
… there are templates, you can create tests, snd track what’s been tested.

Dan Lazin: we’ve been tracking on a spreadsheet which may be obsolete with these better tools

Murata Makoto: do we need a test for every feature in EPUB3?

Dan Lazin: we need to test for every MUST and some SHOULDs

Wendy Reid: See See the description of testing

Dan Lazin: if you’re going to write a test, you should explain in the test repo what you are testing (and what not)

Wendy Reid: if there is an item you would like to see on the TPAC agenda, let us know.

Dave Cramer: TPAC may be our last chance to do big things in EPUB 3.3 - we don’t want to make major changes after CR unless it’s a result of testing

Dave Cramer: RRSAgent: bye

5. Resolutions