23:36:31 RRSAgent has joined #epub 23:36:31 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/09/30-epub-irc 23:36:33 RRSAgent, make logs Public 23:36:34 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), wendyreid 23:36:50 meeting: EPUB 3 Working Group Telecon 23:36:59 date: 2021-09-30 23:36:59 chair: wendyreid 23:37:51 agenda+ TPAC Registration 23:38:01 agenda+ Global Language Support 23:38:11 agenda+ Schema in EPUB Accessibility 23:38:21 agenda+ Testing Update 23:41:03 mgarrish has joined #epub 23:57:37 MURATA has joined #epub 23:57:42 present+ 23:58:12 dauwhe has joined #epub 23:58:23 BenSchroeter has joined #epub 23:58:27 toshiakikoike has joined #epub 23:58:34 present+ 23:59:06 dauwhe has changed the topic to: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-epub-wg/2021Sep/0040.html 23:59:37 present+ 23:59:46 present+ 23:59:55 MasakazuKitahara has joined #epub 23:59:59 present+ 00:00:24 shiestyle has joined #epub 00:00:54 duga has joined #epub 00:00:59 present+ 00:01:13 present+ 00:02:00 present+ 00:02:06 present+ 00:03:00 zakim, next item 00:03:00 agendum 1 -- TPAC Registration -- taken up [from wendyreid] 00:03:00 scribe+ 00:03:16 https://www.w3.org/2021/10/TPAC/Overview.html#participation 00:03:40 Wendy: don't forget to register for TEPAC 00:05:05 zakim, next item 00:05:05 agendum 2 -- Global Language Support -- taken up [from wendyreid] 00:05:15 https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/1809 00:05:24 https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1816 00:05:27 dlazin has joined #epub 00:06:59 +q 00:07:08 Matt: Global language support is talked about in EPUB3 overview... does it belong there? 00:07:16 ack MURATA 00:07:56 Murata: no strong opinion, but at that time global language support was important to promote EPUB3; this is no longer the case. 00:09:18 Wendy: change would make the overview more like a W3C document instead of a sales document 00:09:32 Matt: I'm good either way 00:09:55 Proposed: Merge PR 1816, close issue 1809 00:09:59 +1 00:10:00 +1 00:10:00 +1 00:10:01 +1 00:10:01 +1 00:10:01 +1 00:10:02 +1 00:10:05 +1 00:10:05 +1 00:10:06 +1 00:10:09 RESOLVED: Merge PR 1816, close issue 1809 00:10:15 zakim, next 00:10:15 I don't understand 'next', wendyreid 00:10:18 zakim, next item 00:10:18 agendum 3 -- Schema in EPUB Accessibility -- taken up [from wendyreid] 00:10:28 https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/1799 00:10:34 https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1808 00:12:45 Matt: we started off listing the schema.org properties, then we went to ISO where schema.org is not considered very normative, so we referred to the techniques document... so we have to prove that schema.org is a stable and valid reference 00:14:31 q+ 00:14:44 q+ 00:15:02 ...we need to show there is a method for maintaining the vocabularies. Need to work with W3C; it is an ongoing conversation. Still in limbo until we have a proper home for the metadata. 00:15:10 ack dauwhe 00:15:33 Dave: can we merge the pull request? 00:16:06 Matt: would like to get a formal ok first from Ivan 00:16:42 +q 00:16:49 ack wen 00:16:54 Dave: we should merge it instead of leaving it hanging as we seek horizontal reviews, etc. 00:17:27 Wendy: we reference schema elsewhere 00:17:43 Matt: we have a mapping file in those cases 00:17:49 ack MURATA 00:17:50 ack mur 00:18:38 q? 00:18:41 Murata: can we use living document? 00:20:06 Wendy: there are procedures for using living documents 00:21:15 Dave: can we propose to merge the PR? 00:21:47 Matt: it's been referenced in other standards, yet we need to show stability even though it's been allowed elsewhere 00:22:18 +q 00:23:12 q? 00:23:33 ...need a repository and issue tracker to show that we maintain it properly 00:23:41 ack MURATA 00:24:43 Murata: Registries are considered a back door for extending international standards; that's why ISO doesn't like it. Also there are fees associated. 00:25:25 Matt: it's a gray area. It's part of the web and we have to work with it. 00:25:56 Let's make Ivan's life interesting! 00:25:58 Proposed: Merge PR 1808, leave issue 1799 open until schema issue is resolved 00:26:02 +1 00:26:06 +1 00:26:08 +1 00:26:08 +1 00:26:08 +1 00:26:11 +1 00:26:13 +1 00:26:15 +1 00:26:17 0 00:26:22 RESOLVED: Merge PR 1808, leave issue 1799 open until schema issue is resolved 00:26:40 zakim, next time 00:26:40 I don't understand 'next time', wendyreid 00:26:45 zakim, next item 00:26:45 agendum 4 -- Testing Update -- taken up [from wendyreid] 00:27:18 https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/epub-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2021-09-24-epub#section1 00:27:53 https://github.com/w3c/epub-tests 00:27:55 Wendy: We did an update on testing last week. Lot's of updates to the testing repository. There's a link to the video on how to create tests. Also step by step instructions. 00:28:30 ...there are templates, you can create tests, snd track what's been tested. 00:28:37 +q 00:29:03 Dan: we've been tracking on a spreadsheet which may be obsolete with these better tools 00:29:05 ack MURATA 00:29:20 Murata: do we need a test for every feature in EPUB3? 00:29:42 Dave: we need to test for every MUST and some SHOULDs 00:30:01 Oops that was Dan not Dave 00:30:09 s/Dave/Dan/ 00:30:27 https://github.com/w3c/epub-tests#step-by-step 00:31:11 Dan: if you're going to write a test, you should explain in the test repo what you are testing (and what not) 00:32:23 Wendy: if there is an item you would like to see on the TEPAC agenda, let us know. 00:33:18 s/TEPAC/TPAC 00:33:25 Dave: TEPAC may be our last chance to do big things in EPUB 3.3 - we don't want to make major changes after CR unless it's a result of testing 00:33:53 Zakim, end meeting 00:33:53 As of this point the attendees have been MURATA, toshiakikoike, BenSchroeter, wendyreid, MasakazuKitahara, duga, dauwhe, shiestyle, mgarrish 00:33:55 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 00:33:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/30-epub-minutes.html Zakim 00:33:58 I am happy to have been of service, dauwhe; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 00:34:03 Zakim has left #epub 00:34:22 RRSAgent: bye 00:34:22 I see no action items