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<yaso_> Hi all, I’m dialing
<deirdrelee> zakim [ipcaller] is me
<Ig_Bittencourt> Zakim ??P30 is me
<yaso> Yes, Deirdree!
<yaso> Sorry I didn’t see it
<HadleyBeeman> scribe: yaso
Deirdree: https://github.com/deirdrelee/dwbp/commit/80dea02c47a5d33291960f70e04528534d53d988
Here it goes
Deirdree: no problem
<BernadetteLoscio> ok ;)
<HadleyBeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140425
PROPOSED: accept last week’s minutes
<ericstephan> +1
<HadleyBeeman> +1
<Ig_Bittencourt> +1
+1
<jerdeb> +1
<BernadetteLoscio> +1
<laufer> +1
<Caroline> +1
<MarkHarrison> +1
<gatemezi> +1
<HadleyBeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-04-04
<MTCarrasco> +1
<HadleyBeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-04-11
<ericstephan> +1
<HadleyBeeman> Last week's meeting minutes: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-04-11
<MarkHarrison> +1
<Caroline> +1
<deirdrelee> +1
<MTCarrasco> +1
<HadleyBeeman> +1
<Ig_Bittencourt> +1
<jerdeb> +1
<laufer> +1
<ericstephan> we are a very "accepting" group
<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open
http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open
<HadleyBeeman> action-13?
Let’s start with the action-13
<HadleyBeeman> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 25 April 2014
<Caroline> Yaso: I have talked with Vitor Batista and he gave me information about the use cases
action-13 closed
<trackbot> Closed action-13.
<HadleyBeeman> action-20?
<trackbot> action-20 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Document the situations/scenarios for the data usage vocab in the ucr -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/20
action-20
<trackbot> action-20 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Document the situations/scenarios for the data usage vocab in the ucr -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/20
I’ve been working on this
BernadetteLoschio: I ‘m discussing with my students
…if we can have an app that collects information about apps that uses open data
… kind of an extension to ckan, we can have information about data usage, about apps, something like this
… we are working on something like this and we’re looking for someone that has info about vocabs
<Ig_Bittencourt> http://www.opendata500.com/list/
ig_bittencourt: they have description of 5 hundreds of companies using open data
<Ig_Bittencourt> http://www.hydra-cg.com/spec/latest/core/
… they are just for describing API’s, but it can be a good start
BernadetteLoscio: this gonna be very helpful. We want to develop an extension to CKAN
… feedback is welcome
HadleyBeeman: what do the rest of the group thinks about that?
<deirdrelee> +q
BernadetteLoscio: we are just starting, so we don’t have an implementation yet
<MarkHarrison> Eric_Kauz and I have tried to put in quite a lot of detail about scenarios in our GS1 Digital use case we submitted recently
deirdreelee: ... there’s some papers that describes vocabs
… i’ll put some links for the papers
<laufer> http://www.programmableweb.com
laufer: this is a link for a site that has a thousand apps
… some of them use open data so you can find more information about it here
bernadetteLoscio: thank you :-)
<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/lcsv-charter
hadleyBeeman: the Csvwg has 2 deliverables
… I would encourage you to talk to them and see if they have something that can help you
BernadetteLoscio: I need to write something about because we’re discussing how we can describe apps
<deirdrelee> Related paper from W3C PMOD http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_11.pdf
<ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-csvw-ucr-20140327/
ericstephan: open data brings many issues to us, but we have to talk about other types of data
ericstephan, can you help me describe your action, pls?
<MakxDekkers> zakim mute me
<MTCarrasco> One URI, many variants, human and machine readable, XML or CVS just variants
BernadetteLoscio: no matter if it is open data or not. We’re using CKAN because it’s a way to collect this info
… we can try to extract the information, and see if we can put this info in a vocabulary. It’s not just open data, but we need a starting point
Steve: I thing we had this discussion once before
<MTCarrasco> Linked Data vs. Linked Open Data: just a legal matter - http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
adler1: when I think about Open Data vs data on the web
… are we talking about that our standard could be applied to any kind of data, just like DCAT
… DCAT can apply to a lot of standards
<HadleyBeeman> +1 to being concerned about scope creep
<ericstephan> thank you for the clarification adler1_ :-)
<deirdrelee> DCAT does not just apply to Open Data, but it does specifically apply to data catalogues
adler1: we developed this for open data, but anyone can use it
… I don’t know if there’s an formal way to do that
… It will be terrific to include use cases
MTCarrasco: we should be concerned about technical aspects of linked data
… when should address LINKED DATA, not LINKED OPEN DATA,
…we should adress the technical
<Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to MTCarrasco view
hadleyBeeman: I agree that we are data on the web
it includes data on the web
<MTCarrasco> "Linked Data is defined above. Linked Open Data (LOD) is Linked Data which is released under an open licence, which does not impede its reuse for free."
<Zakim> HadleyBeeman, you wanted to talk about ways to do this within w3c approaches
Laufer: I think that if we talk about data on the web
… we’re talking about resources on the web
… we have to do a metamodel of what we’re talking here
… we thing about how to publish, and how to use this
… how can we organize this in a better way. Think about the catalogs: when we see a tool like CKAN, Socrata… What is our ecosystem?
<adler1_> +1 laufer
… we have to discuss this metamodel, because we can talk about a lot of kinds of data
<MTCarrasco> Facebook type of data are mostly private gardens
hadleyBeeman: I think that there’s a very common use case, but it’s important to us to not get lost
<gatemezi> +1 to Laufer. I suggest to have a first draft of such metamodel
<scribe> scribe: newton
<HadleyBeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman
<MTCarrasco> DWBP should be about web techologies that might be used for private and public data - again: open is in the legal domain
yaso: I think we have to think more simply, focus on our use cases. Think of data in JSON, CSV — not about open or not. That's just a question of licences.
<newton> yaso: we have to be more simpler to focus on UC, we had to focus on use cases that we already have
<scribe> scribe: newton
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: data on the are resources, if some kind of resources is on the web, so we should consider technical opened, so we can download them, we can use them
<MarkHarrison> machine-readable and machine-interpretable
<yaso> scribe: yaso
<MarkHarrison> (Monika Solanki recently picked me up on 'machine-readable')
bernadetteLoscio: I’m working on this, trying to write a description of this idea
<MTCarrasco> "Structure the data: the how is secondary" - http://dragoman.org/format
<HadleyBeeman> action-21?
<trackbot> action-21 -- Deirdre Lee to Create first draft of ucr in respec -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/21
<MTCarrasco> One can have many variants (formats) for the same data: XML, CVS. JSON, etc
<deirdrelee> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/usecasesv1.html
Deirdreelee: we have an updated version of the UC doc
<HadleyBeeman> @mtcarrasco: Is it still the same data then? Philosophy question. :)
… what we have to do now is fix the html links
so, action 21 is closed
… action-22 is ongoing
action-21 closed
<trackbot> Closed action-21.
action-22 is ongoing
<HadleyBeeman> action-23?
<trackbot> action-23 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as prov-o, data cube, skos -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/23
BernadetteLoscio: that action is something that I’m doing with my students
… we can have other vocabs for the best practices
… so this action is still ongoing
HadleyBeeman: should we create a separate action to...
BernadetteLoscio: this action is related to the other one
… so I think that we can close this one and let just the other one
<HadleyBeeman> action-24?
<trackbot> action-24 -- Phil Archer to Draft uml diagram for vocab(s) -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/24
action-23 is closed
<HadleyBeeman> action-25?
<trackbot> action-25 -- Carlos Iglesias to Prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its id -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/25
<Ig_Bittencourt> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_table
Ig_bitterncourt: Carlos is not here, but he sent the link by e-mail
laufer: we completed this table and created all this pages, but he’s not here, so we can’t close it
… I think that he has completed the work
<laufer> not me, yaso
<laufer> carlos done it
<gatemezi> FYI, just seen this paper regarding daQ ontology at WWW conf, http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2014/papers/ldow2014_paper_09.pdf
ss we/he
<gatemezi> It seems relevant for our work
<scribe> ACTION: Ericstephan to write some other examples that are no open data [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/25-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Write some other examples that are no open data [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-05-02].
<ericstephan> Thank you for catching that yaso!
ericstephan: :-)
<adler1_> actions are good
HadleyBeeman: what makes the time more useful
adler1: i like the action items
… I think that we’re talking about the scope, and somehow we have to connect the action items with that conversation
<laufer> http://bio2rdf.org/
laufer: we have to think about data that it’s not open, so I want to include an action to include a better description of the use of RDF
… we can’t exclude linked data, nor open dta
<deirdrelee> +1
<scribe> ACTION: laufer to describe a new use case for http://bio2rdf.org/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/25-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Describe a new use case for http://bio2rdf.org/ [on Carlos Laufer - due 2014-05-02].
Ig_Bitterncourt: I agree with adler1
… we have to produce a lot of material
… perhaps when Carlos Iglesisas close his action, we could go foward the challenges
<MarkHarrison> Many of the examples on http://bio2rdf.org show the unfortunately classic symptoms of 'server offline', 'resource not found' etc. that currently hinders Open Data and reliance upon it
… I think during the F2f, one of the action was to create a skeleton of the vocab
deirdreelee: I think that discussions that follows the current actions
… maybe quite flat discussions
… so I think upcoming actions can help the process
HadleyBeeman: that’s a helpful point. I agree with that
<Zakim> Vagner_Br, you wanted to say we should spend more time to discuss about a few use cases examples in order to have clear model of describing use cases
Vagner_br: Deidreelee already said what I was going to say
<BernadetteLoscio> thank you Hadley ;)
<MarkHarrison> bye
<laufer> bye
<BernadetteLoscio> tchau!!!
<gatemezi> bye
<laufer> -laufer
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