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RDF-in-XHTML TF

19 Mar 2007

Agenda

See also: IRC log

previous 2007-03-12

Attendees

Present
Ralph, wing, EliasT, Simone, Mark, Steven
Regrets
Ben, Michael
Chair
Ralph
Scribe
Elias, EliasT

Contents


Convene, next meeting

<RalphS> Elias: what are the mails from Shane concerning?

<RalphS> Mark: Shane is updating the XHTML1.1 module draft

<RalphS> ... the XHTML 1.1 modules are there in DTD form but not yet the XML Schema modules

<RalphS> ... so DTD validation is now possible

<RalphS> ... I am working on the XML Schema versions

Test Case

<RalphS> next meeting: 26 March

Bulk Action Item Review

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to get back in touch with Ian about eRDF/RDFa [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

action -1

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to get back in touch with Ian about eRDF/RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to include agenda item for approval of existing tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0001.html to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: Michael to put together a table with RDFa / XHTML1.1/2 / HTML [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action18] [DONE]

<RalphS> Feature comparison table

<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to update archive header page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]

<RalphS> TF Mail Archive

<scribe> ACTION: Simone to update FAQ wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [DONE]

<RalphS> Wiki Updated [SImone]

Wing to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0008.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]

<scribe> ACTION: Wing to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0008.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] [DONE]

<RalphS> Wing: there is a test

<RalphS> ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

<RalphS> Wing: just need to decide a name

<RalphS> Elias: DAWG defined one

<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]

<RalphS> Elias: I'm working with the guy who wrote the FireFox operator extension that parses microformats

<RalphS> ... I wrote a new javascript RDFa parser

<RalphS> ... might be able to get this into operator

<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]

<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]

<Mark> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20070317/

<Mark> That's the spec.

<scribe> [DONE] Mark is done with the spec part.

<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module using XML Schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]

<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us where [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/29-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us where [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/29-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Michael continue work on the FAQ template that Elias started [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]

<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Michael to prepare RDF/XML - RDFa comparison wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]

<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

RDFa module spec

<Mark> http://www.formsplayer.com/node/213

<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us where [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/29-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

MarkB: Shane did a little bit more than we asked
... for example he has restricted multiple values in rel attributes
... we should discuss this on both lists

RalphS: It would be more convenient if technical discussions on RDFa module be done on RDFa mailing list
... We still want a stand-alone RDFa specification, maybe extracting Shane's document would be a fine thing to do

<scribe> ACTION: MarkB to ask Shane to make his document public [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action23]

<RalphS> Elias: does this editors' draft refer to XHTML 1 or XHTML 2?

<RalphS> Mark: it's all about XHTML Modularization 1.1

<RalphS> ... this RDFa module conforms to the approach of XHTML Modularization 1.1

<RalphS> ... it may also conform to XHTML 2

<RalphS> ... the intention for the XHTML 2 spec is to have it cite the XHTML 1.2 modules that are part of XHTML 2

XMLliteral

<RalphS> Mark's 4 Feb summary of XMLLiteral vs. plain literal

MarkB: The starting point of RDFa has always been the RDFa author. How do we take the things that RDFa authors markup and generate triples.
... but I think the discussion has been on the reverse.. how do I as an RDF author encode this in XHTML.

RalphS: I wanted to make sure we found the places in the document about rdf:XMLLiteral
... http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/syntax/ in 5.1.1.1

MarkB: We have two methods: if you use @content that's a plain literal, if no datatype specified rdf:XMLLiteral.

<RalphS> Elias: I think we're agreeing that the current document says the default is XMLLiteral

<RalphS> ... the question is whether we should change this decision

<RalphS> Mark: the examples further down in 5.1.1 (e-mc2) don't work if we change to plain literals

<RalphS> Elias: several commentors have said that they don't understand the rationale for using XMLLiteral

<RalphS> ... they're suggesting that if no datatype is specified, it should be treated as a plain literal

<RalphS> ... if the author wants to retain the markup, he must specify XMLLiteral

<Mark> Mark: But you have once again summarised what you desire, and not why it is logically correct.

<RalphS> Elias: it is better to go to plain literals because it will result in less markup in the document

<RalphS> ... want the least amount of markup for the common case, which will be plain literals

<RalphS> Mark: you'd need to show why you need plain literals

<RalphS> ... DanBri noted that FOAF was really using typed literals even though his first reaction was that it was using plain literals

<RalphS> ... I dispute the idea that plain literals are really the most common

<RalphS> Elias: it could be the case that people are not aware of what they're really using

<RalphS> ... what about problem of setting language if you're using XMLLiteral?

<RalphS> Mark: ideal solution would be to allow both and use plain wherever there's no XML markup and XMLliteral when there is XML markup

<scribe> ACTION: Elias to look for cases where plain literal is more of a common use. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action24]

<Steven> Apologies for missing the call!

<Mark> Mark: I wasn't saying that FOAF used typed literals, but that the notion of 'literal' encompasses both plain and typed.

<Steven> The hour daylight savings did it again!

<Steven> I forgot to reset the alarm

<scribe> ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Elias to look for cases where plain literal is more of a common use. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action24]
[NEW] ACTION: MarkB to ask Shane to make his document public [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action23]
[NEW] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]
[NEW] ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to get back in touch with Ian about eRDF/RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to get back in touch with Ian about eRDF/RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to include agenda item for approval of existing tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0001.html to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module using XML Schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Michael continue work on the FAQ template that Elias started [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to prepare RDF/XML - RDFa comparison wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us where [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/29-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Michael to put together a table with RDFa / XHTML1.1/2 / HTML [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action18]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph to update archive header page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Simone to update FAQ wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
[DONE] ACTION: Wing to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0008.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
 
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