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<RalphS> Elias: what are the mails from Shane concerning?
<RalphS> Mark: Shane is updating the XHTML1.1 module draft
<RalphS> ... the XHTML 1.1 modules are there in DTD form but not yet the XML Schema modules
<RalphS> ... so DTD validation is now possible
<RalphS> ... I am working on the XML Schema versions
<RalphS> next meeting: 26 March
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to get back in touch with Ian about eRDF/RDFa [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
action -1
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to get back in touch with Ian about eRDF/RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to include agenda item for approval of existing tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0001.html to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to put together a table with RDFa / XHTML1.1/2 / HTML [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action18] [DONE]
<RalphS> Feature comparison table
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to update archive header page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]
<RalphS> TF Mail Archive
<scribe> ACTION: Simone to update FAQ wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [DONE]
<RalphS> Wiki Updated [SImone]
Wing to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0008.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
<scribe> ACTION: Wing to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0008.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] [DONE]
<RalphS> Wing: there is a test
<RalphS> ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
<RalphS> Wing: just need to decide a name
<RalphS> Elias: DAWG defined one
<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
<RalphS> Elias: I'm working with the guy who wrote the FireFox operator extension that parses microformats
<RalphS> ... I wrote a new javascript RDFa parser
<RalphS> ... might be able to get this into operator
<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]
<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]
<Mark> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20070317/
<Mark> That's the spec.
<scribe> [DONE] Mark is done with the spec part.
<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module using XML Schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us where [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/29-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us where [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/29-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Michael continue work on the FAQ template that Elias started [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Michael to prepare RDF/XML - RDFa comparison wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
<Mark> http://www.formsplayer.com/node/213
<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us where [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/29-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
MarkB: Shane did a little bit more than we
asked
... for example he has restricted multiple values in rel attributes
... we should discuss this on both lists
RalphS: It would be more convenient if
technical discussions on RDFa module be done on RDFa mailing list
... We still want a stand-alone RDFa specification, maybe extracting Shane's
document would be a fine thing to do
<scribe> ACTION: MarkB to ask Shane to make his document public [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action23]
<RalphS> Elias: does this editors' draft refer to XHTML 1 or XHTML 2?
<RalphS> Mark: it's all about XHTML Modularization 1.1
<RalphS> ... this RDFa module conforms to the approach of XHTML Modularization 1.1
<RalphS> ... it may also conform to XHTML 2
<RalphS> ... the intention for the XHTML 2 spec is to have it cite the XHTML 1.2 modules that are part of XHTML 2
<RalphS> Mark's 4 Feb summary of XMLLiteral vs. plain literal
MarkB: The starting point of RDFa has always
been the RDFa author. How do we take the things that RDFa authors markup and
generate triples.
... but I think the discussion has been on the reverse.. how do I as an RDF
author encode this in XHTML.
RalphS: I wanted to make sure we found the
places in the document about rdf:XMLLiteral
... http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/syntax/
in 5.1.1.1
MarkB: We have two methods: if you use @content that's a plain literal, if no datatype specified rdf:XMLLiteral.
<RalphS> Elias: I think we're agreeing that the current document says the default is XMLLiteral
<RalphS> ... the question is whether we should change this decision
<RalphS> Mark: the examples further down in 5.1.1 (e-mc2) don't work if we change to plain literals
<RalphS> Elias: several commentors have said that they don't understand the rationale for using XMLLiteral
<RalphS> ... they're suggesting that if no datatype is specified, it should be treated as a plain literal
<RalphS> ... if the author wants to retain the markup, he must specify XMLLiteral
<Mark> Mark: But you have once again summarised what you desire, and not why it is logically correct.
<RalphS> Elias: it is better to go to plain literals because it will result in less markup in the document
<RalphS> ... want the least amount of markup for the common case, which will be plain literals
<RalphS> Mark: you'd need to show why you need plain literals
<RalphS> ... DanBri noted that FOAF was really using typed literals even though his first reaction was that it was using plain literals
<RalphS> ... I dispute the idea that plain literals are really the most common
<RalphS> Elias: it could be the case that people are not aware of what they're really using
<RalphS> ... what about problem of setting language if you're using XMLLiteral?
<RalphS> Mark: ideal solution would be to allow both and use plain wherever there's no XML markup and XMLliteral when there is XML markup
<scribe> ACTION: Elias to look for cases where plain literal is more of a common use. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action24]
<Steven> Apologies for missing the call!
<Mark> Mark: I wasn't saying that FOAF used typed literals, but that the notion of 'literal' encompasses both plain and typed.
<Steven> The hour daylight savings did it again!
<Steven> I forgot to reset the alarm
<scribe> ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]
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