RDFa Taskforce weekly teleconference -- 12 Feb 2007

<Steven> RESOLUTION: Take the call to irc channel #rdfa next week

<RalphS> RESOLVED: telecon name, code, and irc channel will be RDFA starting next week

<Steven> RESOLUTION: Change the zakim code to rdfa (7332)

<RalphS> Previous: 2007-02-05 http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html

<EliasT> Scribe: MarkB_

All welcomed Wing on board, and he told us a little about his work with RDFa at IBM.

Ben: Any other items apart from those in the agenda?

Michael: There has been discussion on list about using RDFa, or eRDF within XHTML.

Ben: Would like to get 'the module' finished and then take it from there.

Action item list

<benadida> action item review: http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#ActionSummary

Ben continues to contemplate the Dev Track, and in particular is looking at the RDFa clipboard use-case.

<benadida> ACTION: Ben to contemplate about the Dev Track [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to get in contact with flickr w.r.t. machine tags [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action02]

CC are already in touch with Flickr, and there is discussion of using RDFa in their pages.

<RalphS> YAY! to CC on Flickr

<scribe> ACTION: Michael produce a GUI sketch of a test interface for 12-Feb meeting [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]

<mhausenblas_> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/

Michael: Not sure if W3C could host this. Is Tomcat available?

Ralph: I think Tomcat is available...will check.

<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to check if the test suite can be hosted at the W3C--is Tomcat available? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule on wiki to aim for last call on June 1 [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action05]

<scribe> ACTION: Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us where [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]

<scribe> ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action07]

Ben: Should this be removed?

Steven: Don't mind. Do you want it prioritised?

Ben: Could leave it there, but shortly we'll need an XHTML 1.1+RDFa document, which will become higher priority.

<scribe> --continues

<scribe> ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]

Ben: I'm not an RDF/XML expert.

Michael: I'll help.

<benadida> ACTION: Michael to prepare RDF/XML - RDFa comparison wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]

<mhausenblas_> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTerminology

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]

Ben: Coming together. Looking like there might be a scientific publication scenario; "this paper talks about these genes", etc., ...
... rather than just "this paper was published on".

<mhausenblas_> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaGRDDL

<RalphS> Relationship between RDFa and GRDDL [Ben 2007-02-06]

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to write down the relation between GRDDL and RDFa [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action11]

<scribe> ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action12]

Elias: Need to check whether I'll still be involved in the product in question, but should be resolved soon.

<scribe> ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action13]

<scribe> ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action14]

<scribe> ACTION: Michael continue work on the FAQ template that Elias started [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action15]

Michael: I hope that Elias didn't mind that I took that action on during his absence.

Elias: Has it been moved to the wiki?

Michael: No. I proposed that it should be moved, but seems to make sense to leave it on the esw wiki.

<scribe> ACTION: Michael transfer issue data to SWD tracker [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action16]

<mhausenblas_> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/13

XHTML 1.1 Module Status

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/WD-xhtml-modularization-20070209/

<benadida> MarkB: first needed an update to the modularization spec, pointed to here (but not public)

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/WD-xhtml11-20070208/

<benadida> ... then we needed XHTML 1.1 using modularization, which just came out.

<benadida> .

<benadida> ... now we need to create the RDFa module based on these updated specs

<benadida> ... still missing from Shane the draft specs of the module itself

<benadida> ... schemas to be posted on Wednesday

<benadida> ... email to SWD mailing list talks about DTDs

<benadida> ... we may get help from Shane on that front

<benadida> Ralph: expected schedule for these drafts?

<benadida> Steven: within a week to request pub as WD

<mhausenblas_> from WD to REC directly ?

<benadida> ... nothing has changed except typos and addition of schemas. Go to PER, no normative changes.

<benadida> MarkB: RDFa module that Shane is doing at the moment should only need to reference the modularization spec, the one that will move very quickly.

<benadida> ... the second spec is only useful as a template for linking, not as a reference.

<benadida> ... the most important thing is not XHTML1.1 + RDFa, it's just the RDFa bit.

<benadida> ... delay because this is first example of a module that uses the modularization spec

<benadida> ... and external module

Mark: Did anyone have any comments on the point about DTDs?

Steven: It is a wonder that DTDs can even get close to what we want.
... (Based mainly on wizardry from Murray Altheim and his amazing DTD skills.)

Ben: Is this some problem with IE?

Steven: No, it's to do with validation by those that only use DTDs.

<mhausenblas_> might be a dumb question, but isn XHTML (note: X) defined in terms of XML-Schema?

Ben: So is there a hurry?

Steven: No..it's only if someone says that they *must* validate using DTDs.
... Should flag up that the DOCTYPE switch is often used in documents to set standards compliant mode.

<RalphS> Mark: was the request in mail an expression of a requirement for DTD validation?

<RalphS> Ben: not sure if it was meant as a requirement

Mark: But need to establish whether the request on the list is a *must* for DTDs, or were they simply asking for validation.

<RalphS> Ben: ... or merely a request, so that W3C validators can work

Michael: Should answer Simone.

Ben: We will.

<RalphS> an XHTML Module for RDFa Simone Onofri [2007-02-12]

<wing> http://code.wingerz.com/rdfatests/

<wing> http://code.wingerz.com/rdfatests/coverage.txt

Test Case Update

Wing: Explained what they had done with the test-suite.

<RalphS> kudos to Wing for test case work!

<mhausenblas_> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTestsuite

<RalphS> kudos to Wing and Michael for test case work!

Michael: Will continue to extend what's in the wiki page.

<mhausenblas_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Feb/0027.html

Michael: Would like some feedback on my posts in the list. True that we want to keep it simple, but we do want to get it correct.

Steven: Regarding section 2.2.2, about what needs to conform; is that not the same question about what it is that we're testing?
... My feeling is that we're testing the spec.

<mhausenblas_> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/

Michael: This looks at whether a REST-based extra service is conformant to the specification.

Steven: Should say that this tests the specification, and not some implementation.

Ben: Not sure exactly what this means.

Steven: If there is some constraint in the spec then it must be reflected in the test-suite.
... Need two implementations, to prove that it was implementable.

<RalphS> [I agree with Steven's characterization of testing]

<Steven> Scribe: Steven

Ben: Isn't this a human thing?

Steven: No, it relates to W3C process where you have to show the spec is implementable, and consistent

<mhausenblas_> see link above

Next call

Ben: Next Monday is a public holiday in the USA (Steven Pemberton's Birthday official celebration)

Ben: so I propose we postpone next week's call

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RDFa Taskforce weekly teleconference

12 Feb 2007

Attendees

Contents

Action item list

XHTML 1.1 Module Status

Test Case Update

Next call

Summary of Action Items

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