13:59:51 RRSAgent has joined #htmltf
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14:00:00 zakim, aaaa is mhausenblas
14:00:01 +mhausenblas; got it
14:00:07 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Feb/0042
14:00:20 Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Feb/0042
14:00:32 zakim, dial steven-617
14:00:34 ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:00:36 +Steven
14:00:49 zakim, who is here?
14:00:49 On the phone I see mhausenblas, wing, Ben_Adida, Steven
14:00:50 On IRC I see RRSAgent, wing, MarkB_, benadida, Steven, Zakim, RalphS, mhausenblas
14:01:18 zakim,who is on the call?
14:01:18 On the phone I see mhausenblas, wing, Ben_Adida, Steven
14:01:33 missing ? mhausenblas
14:02:06 +Elias_Torres
14:02:11 +Ralph
14:02:26 EliasT has joined #htmltf
14:02:35 +??P26
14:02:38 zakim i am ?
14:02:45 Steven: suggest we move to irc channel #rdfa
14:02:48 Ralph: =1
14:02:56 Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:02:56 On the phone I see mhausenblas, wing, Ben_Adida, Steven, Elias_Torres, Ralph, ??P26
14:02:57 Ralph: +1
14:03:00 +1
14:03:04 Zakim, Elias_Torres is me
14:03:04 +EliasT; got it
14:03:08 +1
14:03:19 Meeting: RDFa Taskforce weekly teleconference
14:03:26 Chair: Ben
14:03:42 zakim, code?
14:03:42 the conference code is 7927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
14:04:10 7332?
14:04:23 +1
14:04:28 RESOLUTION: Take the call to irc channel #rdfa next week
14:04:45 RESOLVED: telecon name, code, and irc channel will be RDFA starting next week
14:04:47 RESOLUTION: Change the zakim code to rdfa (7332)
14:04:55 oh
14:04:59 q+ to note US holiday on 19 Feb
14:05:26 q+ to note US holiday on Steven's birthday
14:05:31 lol
14:06:17 Previous: 2007-02-05 http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html
14:06:26 scribe?
14:07:07 Zakim, pick a victim
14:07:07 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P26
14:07:27 zakim, who's on the call?
14:07:27 On the phone I see mhausenblas, wing, Ben_Adida, Steven, EliasT, Ralph, ??P26
14:07:33 Zakim, ??P26 is MarkB_
14:07:33 +MarkB_; got it
14:07:36 zakim, ??p26 is Mark
14:07:36 I already had ??P26 as MarkB_, RalphS
14:07:39 Scribe: MarkB_
14:07:50 -wing
14:07:53 whoops
14:07:55 sorry
14:08:20 +[IBMCambridge]
14:08:27 zakim, IBMCambridge is wing
14:08:27 +wing; got it
14:09:04 All welcomed Wing on board, and he told us a little about his work with RDFa at IBM.
14:11:14 Ben: introduced the agenda, and asked if there were any other items.
14:11:33 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0049.html
14:11:59 Michael: Discussion on list about using RDFa, or eRDF within XHTML.
14:12:17 Ben: Would like to get 'the module' finished and then take it from there.
14:12:38 action item review: http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#ActionSummary
14:13:24 Topic: Action item agenda
14:13:43 .. /MarkB is now known as Topic.
14:14:06 s/item agenda/item list/
14:15:18 Ben continues to contemplate the Dev Track, and in particular is looking at the RDFa clipboard use-case.
14:15:43 ACTION: Ben to contemplate about the Dev Track [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
14:15:49 --continues
14:16:45 ACTION: Ben to get in contact with flickr w.r.t. machine tags
14:16:55 --done
14:17:15 CC are already in touch with Flickr, and there is discussion of using RDFa in their pages.
14:17:16 Zakim, please mute me
14:17:16 EliasT should now be muted
14:17:26 Discussion of static muted the loud applause!!!
14:18:01 indeed, YAY! to CC on Flickr
14:18:31 mhausenblas_ has joined #htmltf
14:18:47 ACTION: Michael produce a GUI sketch of a test interface for 12-Feb meeting
14:18:51 --done
14:18:54 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/
14:19:03 rdfa.info is up
14:20:25 Michael: Not sure if W3C could host this. Is Tomcat available?
14:20:37 Ralph: I think Tomcat is available...will check.
14:20:58 ACTION: Ralph to check if the test suite can be hosted at the W3C--is Tomcat available?
14:21:25 ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule on wiki to aim for last call on June 1
14:21:33 --continues
14:21:54 ACTION: Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us where
14:22:00 --continues
14:22:20 ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc.
14:22:27 Ben: Should this be removed?
14:22:41 Steven: Don't mind. Do you want it prioritised?
14:23:15 Ben: Could leave it there, but shortly we'll need an XHTML 1.1+RDFa document, which will become higher priority.
14:23:22 --continues
14:23:38 ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa
14:23:47 --continues
14:24:19 Ben: I'm not an RDF/XML expert.
14:24:25 Michael: I'll help.
14:24:34 ACTION: Michael to prepare RDF/XML - RDFa comparison wiki page
14:24:38 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTerminology
14:26:11 ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case
14:26:16 --continues
14:26:33 rrsagent, please make record public
14:26:59 Ben: Coming together. Looking like there might be a scientific publication scenario; "this paper talks about these genes", etc., ...
14:27:09 ...rather than just this paper was published on.
14:27:14 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaGRDDL
14:27:25 s/this paper/"this paper/
14:27:32 s/on./on"./
14:27:37 Zakim, unmute me
14:27:37 EliasT should no longer be muted
14:27:38 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Feb/0019.html Relationship between RDFa and GRDDL [Ben 2007-02-06]
14:27:40 ACTION: Ben to write down the relation between GRDDL and RDFa
14:27:43 --done
14:28:07 ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM
14:28:09 --continues
14:28:35 Zakim, mute me
14:28:35 EliasT should now be muted
14:28:36 Elias: Needs to check whether he'll still be involved in the product in question, but should be resolved soon.
14:28:45 ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents
14:28:48 --continues
14:29:03 ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec
14:29:07 --continues
14:29:29 ACTION: Michael continue work on the FAQ template that Elias started
14:29:33 --continues
14:30:14 Zakim, unmute me
14:30:14 EliasT should no longer be muted
14:30:17 Michael: Hopes that Elias didn't mind that he took that action on during Elias's absence.
14:30:28 Elias: Has it been moved to the wiki?
14:31:11 ->http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa
14:31:16 Michael: No. I proposed that it should be moved, but seems to make sense to leave it on the esw wiki.
14:33:23 ACTION: Michael transfer issue data to SWD tracker
14:33:29 --done
14:33:31 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/13
14:34:06 Topic: XHTML 1.1 Module Status
14:34:19 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/WD-xhtml-modularization-20070209/
14:34:25 zakim, mute me
14:34:25 sorry, mhausenblas_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:34:39 Zakim, mute me
14:34:41 MarkB: first needed an update to the modularization spec, pointed to here (but not public)
14:34:42 EliasT should now be muted
14:34:47 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/WD-xhtml11-20070208/
14:34:47 zakim, mhausenblas_ really is mhausenblas
14:34:48 I don't understand 'mhausenblas_ really is mhausenblas', mhausenblas_
14:35:06 ... then we needed XHTML 1.1 using modularization, which just came out.
14:35:07 .
14:35:29 zakim,mute mh
14:35:29 mhausenblas should now be muted
14:35:36 ... now we need to create the RDFa module based on these updated specs
14:36:04 ... still missing from Shane the draft specs of the module itself
14:36:09 ... schemas to be posted on Wednesday
14:36:37 ... email to SWD mailing list talks about DTDs
14:36:45 ... we may get help from Shane on that front
14:37:12 Ralph: expected schedule for these drafts?
14:37:49 Steven: within a week to request pub as WD
14:38:59 from WD to REC directly ?
14:39:19 ... nothing has changed except typos and addition of schemas. Go to PR, no normative changes.
14:39:43 MarkB: RDFa module that Shane is doing at the moment should only need to reference the modularization spec, the one that will move very quickly.
14:40:03 ... the second spec is only useful as a template for linking, not as a reference.
14:40:49 ... the most important thing is not XHTML1.1 + RDFa, it's just the RDFa bit.
14:41:43 ... delay because this is first example of a module that uses the modularization spec
14:41:51 ... and external module
14:42:48 zakim, unmute mh
14:42:48 mhausenblas should no longer be muted
14:43:29 Mark: Did anyone have any comments on the point about DTDs?
14:43:47 Steven: it is a freak of nature that DTDs can even get close to what we want.
14:44:23 Steven: (Based mainly on wizardry from [Steven to insert name].)
14:44:36 Ben: Is this some problem with IE?
14:45:03 Steven: No, it's to do with validation by those that only use DTDs.
14:45:05 might be a dumb question, but isn XHTML (note: X) defined in terms of XML-Schema?
14:45:22 Ben: So is there a hurry?
14:45:42 Steven: No..it's only if someone says that they *must* validate using DTDs.
14:46:19 Steven: Should flag up that the DOCTYPE switch is often used in documents to set standards compliant mode.
14:46:20 s/[Steven to insert name]/Murray Altheim and his amazing DTD skills/
14:48:03 Mark: was the request in mail an expression of a requirement for DTD validation?
14:48:18 q+ on status of Simone's question
14:48:36 Ben: not sure if it was meant as a requirement
14:48:40 q+ to comment on Simone's status
14:48:47 Mark: But need to establish whether the request on the list is a *must* for DTDs, or were they simply asking for validation.
14:48:55 Ben: ... or merely a request, so that W3C validators can work
14:49:45 Michael: Should answer Simone.
14:49:50 Ben: We will.
14:50:03 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0049.html an XHTML Module for RDFa Simone Onofri [2007-02-12]
14:50:36 http://code.wingerz.com/rdfatests/
14:50:40 (Mark, I'll take over for any wrapup)
14:50:41 http://code.wingerz.com/rdfatests/coverage.txt
14:50:53 Topic: Test Case Update
14:50:57 :)
14:51:14 Wing: Explained what they had done with the test-suite.
14:51:42 kudos to Win for test case work!
14:51:47 s/Win/Wing/
14:52:01 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTestsuite
14:52:12 kudos to Wing and Michael for test case work!
14:52:32 Michael: Will continue to extend what's in the wiki page.
14:52:36 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Feb/0027.html
14:53:15 Michael: Would like some feedback on my posts in the list. True that we want to keep it simple, but we do want to get it correct.
14:54:02 Steven: Regarding section 2.2.2, about what needs to conform; is that not the same question about what is that we're testing?
14:54:12 ...My feeling is that we're testing the spec.
14:54:14 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/
14:54:40 This looks at whether a REST-based extra service is conformant to the specification.
14:55:05 s/This looks/Michael: This looks/
14:55:37 Steven: Should say that this tests the specification, and not some implementation.
14:55:59 Ben: Not sure exactly what this means.
14:56:40 Steven: If there is some constraint in the spec then it must be reflected in the test-suite.
14:57:26 ...Need two implementations, to prove that it was implementable.
14:57:43 [I agree with Steven's characterization of testing]
14:58:17 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#rec-advance
14:58:31 Scribe: Steven
14:58:41 Ben: Isn't this a human thing?
14:58:51 Steven: No, it relates to W3C process
14:59:02 see link above
14:59:19 ... where you have to show the spec is implementable, and consistent
14:59:29 Topic: Next call
14:59:39 -Ralph
14:59:43 Ben: Next Monday is a public holiday
14:59:46 -EliasT
14:59:48 -MarkB_
14:59:50 -mhausenblas
14:59:52 -wing
14:59:54 steven: got a minute?
14:59:55 ... so I propose we postpone next week's call
14:59:59 +1
15:00:03 zakim, list participants
15:00:03 As of this point the attendees have been +043316876aaaa, Ben_Adida, wing, mhausenblas, Steven, Ralph, EliasT, MarkB_
15:00:07 wing has left #htmltf
15:00:19 Yes, Michael, I have a minute
15:00:24 rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html Steven
15:00:33 zakim, aaaa is Michael Hausenblas
15:00:33 I don't understand 'aaaa is Michael Hausenblas', mhausenblas_
15:00:56 steven: should we continue the testing discussion on the mailing list?
15:01:11 ... I am really after that and trying to understand everything
15:01:23 hoped Karl Dubost would jump in
15:01:31 -Ben_Adida
15:01:33 -Steven
15:01:34 SW_SWD(rdfxhtml)9:00AM has ended
15:01:35 Attendees were +043316876aaaa, Ben_Adida, wing, mhausenblas, Steven, Ralph, EliasT, MarkB_
15:01:48 cf also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Feb/0033.html
15:01:48 hey Michael, did you drop off the call?
15:01:51 Suits me if we do it on the mailing list
15:01:54 sorry?
15:02:03 drop off the call?
15:02:12 Sorry that I dsidn't reply; I suppose I didn;t feel the questions were addressed to me
15:02:18 I'll do better next time
15:02:27 we just got confused because Steven and I were still on the call but you weren't.
15:02:32 then we noticed you were writing in IRC :)
15:02:51 did you want to dial in again michael?
15:02:52 oh sorry, I thought we already finished, as all left ...
15:03:24 should i dial in again? i can if you want me to ...
15:03:35 not unless you have a question to me
15:03:55 no, it's okay, let's continue the testing discussion online and next time
15:04:02 ok
15:04:04 (and also answer your questions)
15:04:06