RDF-in-XHTML TF

next scribe (15 Jan): Steven

Ralph: next Monday (15 Jan) is an MIT holiday but I'll be at work

Ben: SWD WG face-to-face in 2 weeks
... we owe the WG a copy of Use Cases document tomorrow

<mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Agenda20060122

Ralph: We'll have teleconf facilities too in case travel cost is too great

<mhausenblas> I'll join via IRC on 2007-01-23 from 9-11 (UTC?)

-> face-to-face registration page

Ralph: the registration page shows the list of groups who are planning to meet
... it's a much smaller list than normal Tech Plenary weeks
... agenda times are Boston local times; i.e. UTC-5

Action Review

ACTION: Ben add chem-bla-ics use case to a science use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17] [DONE]

Ben: see Advanced Structured Blogging for Scientists

<mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/

-> tracker instance for SWD

Ralph: I will announce the tracker instance to the WG as soon as I confirm that it works

ACTION: Ben add a forwarding pointer to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues when the new wiki issues list page is created [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Michael transfer issue data to SWD tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]

Michael: MMSEM XG is using a tool to transfer issues from Wiki to HTML, I hope to reuse this to transfer data to tracker

ACTION: Ben look at Semantic Media Wiki use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15] [WITHDRAWN]

Ben: Michael did everything I'd planned to do and more

ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]

Mark: expected this to be a short action but the changes to the XHTML modularization schemas in Q4 2006 were bigger than I'd expected
... need to check with Shane that he's happy with my approach
... I think the modularization document should really only focus on the schemas

Ben: right, point to the syntax document for the semantics

ACTION: [DONE] Michael move the issues list to the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]

ACTION: Michael review Mobile Device use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16] [WITHDRAWN]

Michael: I think it's too soon to add this
... we can consider it later

ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]

Ben: this is looking a lot like the Advanced Blogging use case
... may be some more data-oriented things after I look at it more

ACTION: Elias start an FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]

Michael: I'm willing to start an FAQ

Ben: go ahead; I think Elias made an outline, so try to find it

<mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#FAQ

Michael: transfer that to SWD Wiki?

Ralph: why not keep it where it is

Ben: we can cite it from SWD Wiki
... needs some introductory material
... let's withdraw Elias' action

ACTION: Michael continue work on the FAQ template that Elias started [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]

ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]

Mark: keep this action, as it pertains to whether reification is or is not needed for RDFa

Ben: would be nice to have a well-accepted way to say who authorized a license

ACTION: Mark write examples/tests of striping support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc.. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09] [CONTINUES]

Steven: was talking with Ivan and he thinks the Use Cases document is ready to publish

Ben: I'm reluctant to solicit SWD WG reviewers tomorrow; would like to let TF members have more time to comment

Mark: the editor's draft is publicly visible, right?

Ralph, Ben: right

Ralph: I'd like us to publish in www.w3.org/TR/ space asap

Ben: can everyone here do 30 mins of review by tomorrow and send my any comments?

[yes from everyone]

Ralph: we don't have to resolve all comments before publishing -- we can put in editorial notes saying "this needs work"

UC #1

<benadida> Mark's comments

Ben: we could add '#' without much comment

Mark: the issue is about the subject in the triple

Ben: oops
... I'll update this, inclined to use proper #-uri without giving much explanation

Mark: I've written about this a lot; I think RDFa is a nice way to deal with the subject confusion
... e.g. we don't know what sort of resource the UC 1 hrefs are citing but we do know definitely that the [default] subject is an HTML document, since we've retrieved that document
... if we use #me that empasizes a nice convention

UC #2

Steven: should we be referring to the URI of the image rather than an id ?

Ben: I copied that from Bob Ducharme without much thought

Mark: the IMG tag might say "this section of the document is embargoed" but that would make the dc:creator wrong
... IPTC would lean toward this sort of use case; add metadata to the document head as the document gets longer

UC #4

Steven: section 5, the use of "inner" is too technical

Ben: any opposition to changing UC 2 to refer to the image source?

[no objections]

Michael: it would be nice to illustrate the output of some of the RDFa extractors, e.g. Elias' work

ACTION: ben to update uc2, image src, uc4, no innerHTML, add link to GetN3 bookmarklet [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action15]

[Ralph departs for another meeting]

Discussion on structured blogging

Mark: The blog is the medium

Ben: Stop using blog (except in UC#1)
... use publishing scientific research instead

XHTML 1.1 Module Spec

next week

AOB

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