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Not all comments have been marked as replied to. The disposition of comments is not complete.

In the table below, red is in the WG decision column indicates that the Working Group didn't agree with the comment, green indicates that a it agreed with it, and yellow reflects an in-between situation.

In the "Commentor reply" column, red indicates the commenter objected to the WG resolution, green indicates approval, and yellow means the commenter didn't respond to the request for feedback.

CommentorCommentWorking Group decisionCommentor reply
LC-963 Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org> (archived comment)
This success criterion delivers less in the user experience than UAAG 1.0, checkpoint 3.1. UAAG makes this subject to user profiling.

Single-switch users, for example, rely on context changes that are animated by the system, not triggered one by one by the user.

Low-vision users will come down on different sides of this question depending on how much of the content they can see at once and how much of the session structure they can hold in their head.

Proposed Change:

Best
Make equivalent facilitation (now 4.2) a principle. Include user configuration of the user experience under one of the forms of alternative recognized. State user experience requirements separately; define these by reference to UAAG 1.0. State data-on-the-wire requrements separately. These have two options:

turnkey format -- player meets UAAG requirements directly.
open format -- format populates machinable content model (c.f. rewritten 4.1) with information and actions that let UA manage and provide this capability.
Determining equivalent facilitation at this granularity so that it is testable is beyond the scope of WCAG 2. User agents and assistive technology may present alternative renderings of the content tailored for the user, but the author should present a base set of behaviors in which changes of context are initiated only by user request. no
LC-1049 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
2.3.2: This should be L2 or there should be a L2 equivalent

Proposed Change:

Create L2 equivalent
Because of the limitations that SC 3.2.3 places on presentation, the working group feels that level AAA is appropriate. Not all Guidelines have success criteria at every level. no
LC-1066 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
Images for markup: Seeing as this WCAG1 checkpoint does not map to a particular SC, does this mean that WCAG2 allows images to be used instead of markup, for example, images of text, instead of CSS-manipulated text? Or images for bullets instead of marked up bulleted lists?

Proposed Change:

Clarify the mapping of 3.1.
The mapping has been removed from the WCAG document itself and will now be included in the WCAG 1.0 to WCAG 2.0 transition materials. This will make it easier to update the mapping as new techniques are developed.

The working group will work in coordination with the EOWG WCAG 2.0 Materials Support Task Force in the creation of transition materials and will consider these comments when the mapping is updated.

To answer your question, WCAG 2.0 does not prohibit the use of images of text provided that they have text alternatives. There is, however, an advisory technique that advises against the use of images of text in order to acheive a desired visual effect. Success criterion 1.3.1 lists the use of <ol>, <ul> and <dl> for lists as a sufficient technique. Other techniques could be used, but text alternatives would have to make the information and relationships conveyed through this use of images clear.
no
LC-1071 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
Properly positioned labels: 10.2 no longer maps to any particular SC. Although this checkpoint was included in WCAG1 to assist people who use screen readers, prior to the uptake of explicit labelling, this is still a very important SC for people who use magnifiers and people with cognitive disabilities.

Proposed Change:

Create a new SC the equivalent of 10.2 (I am happy to write this)
Assistive technology has advanced since the WCAG 1.0 guidelines were released. As long as the label is explicitly associated with a field, assistive technologies can present the information to the user in an understandable manner. However, since visual positioning can be important, especially for pages translated into other languages, we have added an advisory technique to Success Criterion 1.3.1 and Guideline 3.2 titled "Positioning labels to maximize predictability of relationships."

Note: The mapping has been removed from the WCAG document itself. The working group will work in coordination with the EOWG WCAG 2.0 Materials Support Task Force in the creation of transition materials and will consider these comments when the mapping is updated.
no
LC-1191 Greg Lowney <gcl-0039@access-research.org> on behalf of Lowney Access Research, LLC (archived comment)
Definition of USER AGENT is "any software that retrieves and renders Web content for users". In several places it is emphasized that this includes assistive technology, but this definition seems to exclude many types of assistive technology such as speech recognition used for command-and-control, which neither retrieves nor renders, but does rely on access to the information being rendered. Also, the word "retrieves" seems to imply fetching from some remote source (e.g. over the Web), which would exclude screen readers; on the other hand, "retrieves" could be taken to mean getting the data from anywhere, including from another user agent, but by that interpretation a display driver would count as assistive technology.

Proposed Change:

Change to read "any software that retrieves and renders Web content for users, or manipulates such content to assist the user in using the Web content or controls"
The current wording is taken from UAAG and the proposed wording is not sufficiently different to warrant changing the UAAG definition. Most of what was added could be interpreted as part of rendering the content. no
LC-1062 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
4.1.2: What is the "name" or the "role"? What does it mean "values can be set by the user"?

Proposed Change:

Rewrite SC 4.1.2
The terms "name" "role" and "programmatically set" are each defined in the glossary. How to Meet SC 4.1.2 describes the intent of this success criterion and provides techniques about how to meet it. With regard to your suggestion to rewrite 4.1.2, without more information about the problems you see with this provision or specific suggestions for how to rewrite this criterion, we are unsure how to address your comment. no
LC-1027 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
Definition of accessibility - In the Baseline document (under the heading 'If the WCAG does not set the baseline, then how can we be sure that a site will be accessible?) it says "No site or content is ever completely accessible". In the Conformance document it says "Note that even conformance to all three levels will not make web content accessible to all people." I strongly object to these statements. All content can be made accessible. In some cases, content may not be accessible, but if the problems were identified it could be made accessible. As the main body representing accessibility I think it reprehensible that we have these statements.

Proposed Change:

Remove the statements. Merge Level 1 and Level 2 SC into one group called 'Mandatory'. Rename Level 3 to 'Advisory' or 'Optional'
The statements you refer to are meant to reflect the reality that not all Web content can be made accessible to all people. One of the lessons learned with WCAG 1.0 was that, for some individuals, even content that meets WCAG 1.0 AAA did not overcome the accessibility barriers faced by those with certain combinations of disabilities or with certain types of severe disabilities.

Regarding the proposal to combine levels A and AA as mandatory and rename level AAA to advisory or optional, the working group has received a great deal of feedback on both sides of this issue. We have chosen three levels because we feel it provides the best options for the different users of the guidelines.
no
LC-1054 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
2.4.7: This should be at Level 1. Determining the current location is sometimes very difficult for both people who use screen readers and people with cognitive disabilities

Proposed Change:

Move to Level 1
This success criterion is at level AAA because not all web pages are part of a set of web pages to which this success criterion can be applied. The working group agrees that when it does apply, it is very important for people with these disabilities. no
LC-1058 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
2.5.4: This should be Level 1. Context sensitive help is very important to people who use screen readers and people with cognitive disabilities.

Proposed Change:

Move to Level 1
While context sensitive help is useful and sometimes necessary for people with disabilities, the type and level of detail for context sensitive help varies greatly depending upon the type and functions of the site. Requirements must be applicable to all Web sites in order to qualify as Level A or Level AA in WCAG 2.0. no
LC-1059 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
3.1.4: If information is provided in an abbreviated form without expansion, then the content is essentially inaccessible to people that cannot interpret the abbreviation. People who use screen readers and people with cognitive disabilities often have difficulties interpreting abbreviations.

Proposed Change:

There should be a Level 1 version of this SC which requires that important abbreviated information is marked up, or expanded the first time it is used in a page
As outlined by the different situations in SC 3.1.4, providing the expansion for the first use of an abbreviation is only a sufficient technique when the abbreviation only has one expansion on that web page, e.g., Dr. is only used as an abbreviation for doctor or for drive, but not for both. Otherwise, providing the expansion on the first use will be more confusing for users with cognitive disabilities. no
LC-1060 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
3.2.1 & 2.2.5: From my reading, 3.2.1 outlaws changes of context when a component receives focus, but 2.2 allows changes in content for no reason (only outlawing at L3)

Proposed Change:

Rewrite SC 3.2.1 and 2.2.5
While it is possible that the result of a time limit expiration may be a change in context or content, success criterion 2.2.1 and 3.2.1 (both at level A) work together to ensure that both unexpected changes in context as the result of a component receving focus (3.2.1) and changes in content resulting from a time-out (2.2.1) will not occur unexpectedly. While exceptions to success criterion 2.2.1 for real-time events and activities where timing is essential exist, guideline 2.2 does not allow changes in content for no reason. no
LC-1064 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
4.1: There should be (preferably at Level 1) a requirement for content to validate

Proposed Change:

Create a Level 1 SC requiring validation
The working group looked at this topic carefully over an extended period of time and concluded that requiring strict adherence to all aspects of specifications does not necessarily result in an increase in accessibility. For example, it is possible to create invalid pages that present no accessibility barriers. It is also possible in certain situations to enhance accessibility through the use of markup that is not part of the specification.

The working group must work within its charter and only include things that directly affected accessibility. Some aspects of "use technologies according to specification" and validity do relate to accessibility. However, others do not. So requiring validity would take us beyond our charter. We do recommend it though and it is our number one technique listed for conforming to SC 4.1.1.
no
LC-1096 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
2.2.6: This should be at Level 2. If someone is using an authenticated session and cannot complete the information before automatic logoff, then being able to continue after re-login is imperative in order to use the system. Otherwise the system is inaccessible

Proposed Change:

Move 2.2.6 to Level 1
The working group has discussed this issue. The criteria for having something at Level AA is that it must be something that can reasonably be applied to all Web content. But there are valid reasons, such as financial security or personal information where this cannot be done because it is against regulations to preserve any of this information once a session expires or is terminated. The working group therefore decided to put this requirement at Level AAA. no
LC-974 Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org> (archived comment)
Navigation is a User Agent function enabled by structure in the content. This is not a content guideline, but a user experience requirement handled in the User Agent.

Proposed Change:

Replace with a narrower provision that says "navigation paths defined in the content encoding correspond to the logical order information which is the subject of 1.3.3"
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We have added the following definition for the term "sequentially navigated":

navigated sequentially
navigated in the order defined for advancing focus from one element to the next with the keyboard.

We have also added the following explanation to the Intent Section of SC 2.4.6:

The way that sequential navigation order is determined in Web content is defined by the technology of the content. For example, simple HTML defines sequential navigation via the notion of tabbing order. Dynamic HTML may modify the navigation sequence using scripting along with the addition of a tabindex attribute to allow focus to additional elements. In this case, the navigation should follow relationships and sequences in the content. If no scripting or tabindex attributes are used, the navigation order is the order that components appear in the content stream. (See HTML 4.01 Specification, section 17.11, "Giving focus to an element").
no
LC-1045 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
Term: Programmatically determined - The definition for "programmatically determined" is "determined by software from data provided in a user-agent supported manner such that the user agents can extract and present this information to users in different modalities". What is the definition by "user agent supported manner"? Does this mean that even if only one user agent on only on version of an operating system can extract the information then it complies? What about people with colour blindness? If faced with an image they can't interpret due to colour blindness, they could just use a colour picker tool which will tell them the hex values of each pixel and determine the contents of an image that way.

Proposed Change:

Redefine SC that use the term programmatically determined
The notion of "programmatically determined" is basic to the success criteria that use it; we don't see a way of redefining those success criteria not to use the concept.

The first issue in "programmatically determined" is making sure that the information is represented in the technology in a way that is clear and unambiguous within the capabilities of that technology. Many of the most serious issues addressed by requiring that information be programmatically determined have to do with authors implying information via visual presentation, rather than encoding it explicitly in the technology.

We put extensive work into the difficult issue that you identify, of "which assistive technology"? The basic answer is that it is the assistive technology available to the audience. Individual techniques identify issues with specific versions of user agents and assistive technology, so that authors can make informed decisions about whether the techniques are acceptable for their audience.
no
LC-1069 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
Stylesheets: It could be argued that the sequence of content can always be programmatically determined- otherwise it could not be presented to the user in that particular sequence. Because 1.3.3 maps to checkpoint 6.1, it is obvious that what is meant by the WCAG2 SC is that if style sheets are used to manipulate the layout of text, then the layout without style sheets must present a meaningful alternative. However it can be argued that simply because a user agent (ie browser) can interpret the style sheet to present information in a certain way, that it is automatically programmatically determinable.

Proposed Change:

Clarify the SC 1.3.3
Please note that the the definition of programmatically determined specifically covers support by assistive technologies:
"determined by software from author-supplied data provided in a way that different user agents, including assistive technologies, can extract and present this information to users in different modalities".

CSS can be used to position items visually on a page. While the position is of course programatically determined, the reading order on the basis of CSS positioning is not, because CSS lacks layout concepts such as "previous" or "next" that would define, unambiguously, the proper reading order of a graphical layout. In theory, advanced heuristics might be able to extrapolate this information, but such approaches are not supported by current tools so this is not a sufficient technique at this time. Therefore, this success criterion does have relevance and it is recommended to follow the sufficient techniques provided.
no
LC-1070 Gian Sampson-Wild <gian@tkh.com.au> (archived comment)
Baseline CSS: This mapping essentially says that if CSS is in the baseline then information can be put into the style sheet and not in the HTML. This appears to allow formatting (ie headings) via CSS and not HTML, important images included in CSS and not HTML, etc. How is someone who uses a screen reader going to interpret this? How are they going to be able to access the information they require?

Proposed Change:

Clarify baseline requirements
If CSS is an accessibility-supported Web technology, then the author can rely on it to satisfy success criterion. However, the success criterion must still be satisfied. So, for instance, if non-text content that conveys information is included via CSS, SC 1.1.1 requires that a text alternative also present equivalent information. This information must be programmatically determined, that is, exposed to assistive technologies.

So even if most of the features or functionality of a Web technology are accessibility supported, it may not be possible to use certain functionality in the technology and still conform to WCAG.

We have completely rewritten the Conformance section, and this should now be clearer.
no
LC-1162 Greg Lowney <gcl-0039@access-research.org> on behalf of Lowney Access Research, LLC (archived comment)
1.4.2 requires a mechanism to turn off "background audio that plays automatically, without requiring the user to turn off all audio". This is good except that "background audio" is not defined. Is it audio that is played at the same time as other audio, but is considered to be less important (i.e. background behind other audio)? Or Is it audio that is purely decorative and/or atmospheric, but not required for understanding or use of the web unit (regardless of whether other audio is playing)?

Proposed Change:

Define "background audio", or change "background audio" to either "audio" or "purely decorative audio".
Good point. We have revised the success criterion 1.4.2 to read, "1.4.2 If any audio plays automatically for more than 3 seconds, either a mechanism is available to pause or stop the audio, or a mechanism is available to control audio volume which can be set independently of the system volume." no
LC-1169 Greg Lowney <gcl-0039@access-research.org> on behalf of Lowney Access Research, LLC (archived comment)
2.2.3. requires that content can be paused by the user (barring certain exceptions). Pausing, as opposed to Stopping, implies there is UI to un-pause the content. Would it be acceptable to allow decorative content to be stopped, but not provide UI to resume it? The current wording would preclude that.
The success criterion has been modified as you suggest to allow moving content that is pure decoration to simply be stopped without requiring a means to restart it. no
LC-1172 Greg Lowney <gcl-0039@access-research.org> on behalf of Lowney Access Research, LLC (archived comment)
4.1.1 requires that Web content to be parsed unambiguously. Does this require the formal specifications be open, so that new user agents can parse the content? For example, suppose the baseline specifies just one Web browser, that implements rules for applying defaults to resolve any potential ambiguities in HTML that might be interpreted differently if another browser were used; is the HTML parsable unambiguously within the scope of the baseline? As another example, suppose a Web uses a proprietary data format that only a single plug-in can render; does it matter if it's parsable unambiguously if there is only one renderer?

Proposed Change:

Insert the phrase ", using publicly available specifications", to read "Web units or authored components can be parsed unambiguously, using publicly available specifications, and the relationships in the resulting data structure are also unambiguous.
To make this requirement easier to understand, we have reworded SC 4.1.1 to clarify that it must be possible to parse content without the need for user agent repair. The revised SC reads as follows:

4.1.1 Content implemented using markup languages has elements with complete start and end tags, except as allowed by their specifications, and are nested according to their specifications. (Level A)

Note: Start and end tags that are missing a critical character in their formation, such as a closing angle bracket or a mismatched attribute value quote are not complete.
no

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