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<antoine> Scribe: Jeff
Previous minutes: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/19-lld-minutes.html
<GordonD> minutes ok with me
RESOLUTION: accept previous telecon minutes
Tom: Joint meeting of LLD XG and
DCMI architecture group
... Discuss application profiles and how they can be applied in
both groups
... Look for patterns in application profiles and how they
could be applied in the Linked Data context
<emma> F2F meetings : http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
Saturday and Sunday, 23 and 24 October - confirmed
Face-to-face meeting of LLD XG
<GordonD> I will definitely be attending the F2F meeting in Pittsburgh
ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01]
<rsinger> I will definitely not be, unfortunately
<kai> People can edit their states, just changed my to stron yes :-)
Cologne F2F
<GordonD> doodle poll link for cologne is not working
<aseiler> doodle poll for cologne: http://www.doodle.com/tdxwapytnxrsm4tm
Deadline was yesterday for submitting use cases
8 use cases submitted
ACTION: Everyone to create use cases on the "use case note" page http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes. Not more than 2 persons per case. Deadline august 25. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]
Review of individual use cases:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Data_Enrichment
<kai> better start with use cases from others
Bibliographic Network
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Bibliographic_Network
<rsinger> there's tod
<rsinger> if'n you want him to talk about the use case
<matolat> sorry I can't join the call
<rsinger> well, no then :)
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Subject_Search
<antoine> Jeff: I'm not finished
<antoine> ... but I like the template
<antoine> Jeff: I wouldn't change the templates on the section I started
<antoine> Kai: it's not a problem that youcouldn't use a section,it's just that you're not there yet
Jeff: The template worked well for me so far. My use case is incomplete
Open Library Data
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Open_Library_Data
Karen: Not sure how linked data applied to use case and how topics could be applied
<rsinger> btw, i have a copy of the OL data in a platform store (therefore, has sparql): http://api.talis.com/stores/openlibrary
AlexanderH: 2 use cases
... who are the actors? Use OL as one provider for such
data
karen: OL is a real use
case
... we don't have applications that use Linked Data
AlexanderH: Who is the user and what are the interactions?
Kai: The goal isn't to have
Linked Data
... What is the problem and why is Linked Data the best
solution?
... Linked Data is a means, not an ends
... Linked Data can be used to express requirements for use
cases
antoine: can use case be adapted to accommodate AlexanderH's perspective?
<Kai> wasn't me speaking it was Kai
kcoyle: Kai's view seems like a different use case
Kai: Assumes use cases come from a user's perspective
antoine: use case seems similar to http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Subject_Search
<marcia> ＊*somehow my line was dropped
<AlexanderH> +1 for naming the UC by the use case scenario
<Zakim> emma, you wanted to comment on the name of the UC
emma: use cases should describe user views rather than describing project
<Zakim> edsu, you wanted to support kai
edsu: concrete examples are important
<GordonD> I'm expecting we will combine some use cases, and split others - but user should be the focus
<Zakim> jphipps, you wanted to support Karen's notion that there should be multiple use cases
jphipps: There is value in publishing the data without knowing how it will be used
<GordonD> users are professional intermediaries. service developers, content providers, and ... end-users
<kcoyle> +1
emma: differentiate target audience in use case between user and producers
<edsu> sometimes i even think users are computer programs :)
<GordonD> +1
<fsasaki> @ edsu: in some cases they are, see the "language technology" use case
<jphipps> +1 edsu
<edsu> fsasaki++
<fsasaki> :)
<TomB> +1 EdSu - and making this point explicit
Kai: OK to indicate the target
audience in the use case with focus on producer vs
consumer
... but a consumer perspective provides greater insight why
Linked Data is important
antoine: producer-oriented use cases raises interesting problems that a user-perspective may miss
<GordonD> I assume linked-data refers to architectures, applications, etc. as well as content (that is, instance triples and resorces with URIs)
<rsinger> "You don't work on the goal you want, you work on the goal you have"
edsu: why should the OL data base exposed as Linked Data?
kcoyle: the stated goal is to make the data as useful as possible
kai: change the goal section and generalize the use case name
<rsinger> Would it make more sense to define the goal as "identify the resources and identifiers in the Open Library since it is an aggregate of multiple sources of data"?
ACTION: kai will try to update Karen's use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action03]
ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Marcia to post I2 comments to LLD list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/19-lld-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]
<antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Aug/0074.html
<scribe> New wiki pages on Library data resources and terminology (Karen)
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_Data_Resources
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_terminology_informally_explained
karen: feel free to add to these
<antoine> ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc. for discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
[adjourned]