LLD XG -- 26 Aug 2010

I think I'm ready, but can't call in on the bridge yet

<antoine> Scribe: Jeff

<digikim> hello

<digikim> hmm, conference code not valid

Administrative

<GordonD> minutes ok with me

RESOLUTION: accept previous telecon minutexs

s/minutesx/minutes/

F2F meetings

<digikim> what is the URL of the agenda?

<digikim> thanks

Tom: Joint meeting of LLD XG and DCMI architecture group
... Discuss application profiles and how they can be applied in both groups
... Look for patterns in application profiles and how they could be applied in the Linked Data context

<emma> F2F meetings : http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F

Saturday and Sunday, 23 and 24 October - confirmed

Face-to-face meeting of LLD XG

<GordonD> I will definitely be attending the F2F meeting in Pittsburgh

<scribe> ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01]

<rsinger> I will definitely not be, unfortunately

<kai> People can edit their states, just changed my to stron yes :-)

Colone F2F

<TomB> s-attending or not=attending or not - at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F=

<TomB> s=attending or not=attending or not - at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F=

Use cases and case studies

<GordonD> doodle poll link for cologne is not working

<aseiler> doodle poll for cologne: http://www.doodle.com/tdxwapytnxrsm4tm

Deadline was yesterday for submitting use cases

8 use cases submitted

<TomB> scribenick: Jeff

<antoine> ACTION: Everyone to create use cases on the "use case note" page http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes. Not more than 2 persons per case. Deadline august 25. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]

Review of individual use cases:

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Data_Enrichment

Bibliographic Network

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Bibliographic_Network

<rsinger> there's tod

<antoine> Jeff: I'm not finished

<antoine> ... but I like the template

<rsinger> if'n you want him to talk about the use case

<matolat> sorry I can't join the ca;;

<matolat> call

<rsinger> well, nm then :)

<antoine> Jeff: I wouldn't change the templates on the section I started

<antoine> Kai: it's not a problem that youcouldn't use a section,it's just that you're not there yet

<rsinger> no

Jeff: The template worked well for me so far. My use case is incomplete

Open Library Data

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Open_Library_Data

Karen: Not sure how linked data applied to use case and how topics could be applied

<rsinger> btw, i have a copy of the OL data in a platform store (therefore, has sparql): http://api.talis.com/stores/openlibrary

AlexanderH: 2 use cases
... who are the actors? Use OL as one provider for such data

karen: OL is a real use case
... we don't have applications that use Linked Data

AlexanderH: Who is the user and what are the interactions?

Kai: The goal isn't to have Linked Data
... What is the problem and why is Linked Data the best solution?
... Linked Data is a means, not an ends
... Linked Data can be used to express requirements for use cases

antoine: can use case be adapted to accommodate AnelxanderH's perspective?

<Kai> wasn't me speaking it was Kai

kcoyle: Kai's view seems like a different use case

Kai: Assumes use cases come from a user's perspective

antoine: use case seems similar to http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Subject_Search

<marcia> ＊*somehow my line was dropped

<AlexanderH> +1 for naming the UC by the use case scenario

<Zakim> emma, you wanted to comment on the name of the UC

emma: use cases should describe user views rather than describing project

<Zakim> edsu, you wanted to support kai

edsu: concrete examples are important

<GordonD> I'm expecting we will combine some use cases, and split others - but user should be the focus

<Zakim> jphipps, you wanted to support Karen's notion that there should be multiple use cases

<kai> zalim, who is making noise?

jphipps: There is value in publishing the data without knowing how it will be used

<GordonD> users are professional intermediaries. service developers, content providers, and ... end-users

<kcoyle> +1

emma: differentiate target audience in use case between user and producers

<edsu> sometimes i even think users are computer programs :)

<GordonD> +1

<fsasaki> @ edsu: in some cases they are, see the "language technology" use case

<jphipps> +1 edsu

<edsu> fsasaki++

<fsasaki> :)

<TomB> +1 EdSu - and making this point explicit

Kai: OK to indicate the target audience in the use case with focus on producer vs consumer
... but a consumer perspective provides greater insight why Linked Data is important

antoine: producer-oriented use cases raises interesting problems that a user-perspective may miss

<GordonD> I assume linked-data refers to architectures, applications, etc. as well as content (that is, instance triples and resorces with URIs)

<rsinger> "You don't work on the goal you want, you work on the goal you have"

edsu: why should the OL data base exposed as Linked Data?

kcoyle: the stated goal is to make the data as useful as possible

kai: change the goal section and generalize the use case name

<rsinger> Would it make more sense to define the goal as "identify the resources and identifiers in the Open Library since it is an aggregate of multiple sources of data"?

<scribe> ACTION: kai will try to update Karen's use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action03]

LLD Topic list

<antoine> ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]

Other

<scribe> ACTION: Marcia to post I2 comments to LLD list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-lld-minutes.html#action02]

<kcoyle> yes, she did

<antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Aug/0074.html

<scribe> --done

<scribe> New wiki pages on Library data resources and terminology (Karen)

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_Data_Resources

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_terminology_informally_explained

karen: feel free to add to these

<kcoyle> angelique music

<antoine> ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc. for discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]

<kcoyle> oops,rong keyboard

[adjourned]

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LLD XG

26 Aug 2010

Attendees

Contents

Administrative

F2F meetings

Use cases and case studies

LLD Topic list

Other

Summary of Action Items

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