13:45:14 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #lld
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13:45:29 <antoine> rrsagent, bookmark
13:45:29 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-irc#T13-45-29
13:45:42 <antoine> zakim, this will be lld
13:45:42 <Zakim> ok, antoine; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
13:46:39 <antoine> Meeting:   LLD XG
13:46:57 <antoine> Chair: antoine
13:48:13 <Jeff> I think I'm ready, but can't call in on the bridge yet
13:49:03 <Zakim> INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started
13:49:11 <Zakim> +??P6
13:49:23 <antoine> zakim, ??P6 is me
13:49:23 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
13:49:30 <AlexanderH> AlexanderH has joined #lld
13:49:50 <Zakim> +??P13
13:50:06 <antoine> zakim, ??P13
13:50:06 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P13', antoine
13:50:10 <antoine> zakim, ??P13 is Jeff
13:50:10 <Zakim> +Jeff; got it
13:50:38 <antoine> Scribe: Jeff
13:51:43 <antoine> Regrets: Bernard, Jodi, Jonathan, Oreste, Guenther
13:51:58 <antoine> rrsagent, please make record public
13:52:00 <kai> kai has joined #lld
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13:52:22 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
13:52:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see antoine, Jeff
13:52:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see emma, kai, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim, antoine, Jeff, michaelp, rsinger, edsu
13:52:31 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
13:52:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html antoine
13:52:46 <Zakim> +??P18
13:53:04 <antoine> zakim, ??P18 is kai
13:53:04 <Zakim> +kai; got it
13:55:33 <aseiler> aseiler has joined #lld
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13:55:59 <Zakim> +??P14
13:56:07 <AlexanderH> zakim, ??P14 is AlexanderH
13:56:07 <Zakim> +AlexanderH; got it
13:57:01 <Zakim> +emma
13:57:29 <Zakim> + +49.221.400.7.aaaa
13:57:50 <kcoyle> kcoyle has joined #lld
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13:58:21 <antoine> zakim, aaaa is Anette
13:58:21 <Zakim> +Anette; got it
13:58:21 <digikim> hello
13:58:32 <Zakim> +michaelp
13:58:45 <Zakim> +monica
13:58:54 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
13:58:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see antoine, Jeff, kai, AlexanderH, emma, Anette, michaelp, monica
13:58:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see digikim, marcia, monica, kcoyle, tituomin, aseiler, emma, kai, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim, antoine, Jeff, michaelp, rsinger, edsu
13:58:58 <GordonD> GordonD has joined #lld
13:59:19 <aseiler> zakim, aseiler is really me
13:59:19 <Zakim> sorry, aseiler, I do not recognize a party named 'aseiler'
13:59:19 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
13:59:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html antoine
13:59:32 <antoine> zakim, Anette is aseiler
13:59:32 <Zakim> +aseiler; got it
13:59:41 <digikim> hmm, conference code not valid
13:59:46 <Zakim> +rsinger
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13:59:59 <Zakim> +??P0
14:00:13 <antoine> zakim, ??P0 is GordonD
14:00:13 <Zakim> +GordonD; got it
14:00:29 <Zakim> +??P26
14:00:31 <aseiler> zakim, mute me
14:00:31 <Zakim> aseiler should now be muted
14:00:43 <rsinger> zakim, mute me
14:00:43 <Zakim> rsinger should now be muted
14:01:00 <antoine> zakim, ??P26 is digikim
14:01:00 <Zakim> +digikim; got it
14:01:07 <fsasaki> fsasaki has joined #lld
14:01:08 <Zakim> + +1.330.289.aabb
14:01:15 <Andras> Andras has joined #lld
14:01:25 <antoine> zakim, aabb is marcia
14:01:25 <Zakim> +marcia; got it
14:01:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:01:43 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:01:44 <edsu> Zakim, [LC] is edsu
14:01:44 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
14:01:52 <TomB> zakim, IPcaller is TomB
14:01:52 <Zakim> +TomB; got it
14:01:57 <Zakim> +??P28
14:02:05 <Zakim> +??P30
14:02:07 <Zakim> + +1.361.279.aacc
14:02:25 <antoine> zakim, aacc is karen
14:02:35 <jphipps> jphipps has joined #lld
14:02:37 <TomB> zakim, ??p30 is andras
14:02:39 <Zakim> +karen; got it
14:03:06 <Zakim> +andras; got it
14:03:30 <Zakim> +jon
14:04:02 <Jeff> Topic: Administrative
14:04:36 <antoine> zakim, unmute aseiler
14:04:36 <Zakim> aseiler should no longer be muted
14:04:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html TomB
14:05:20 <aseiler> zakim, mute me
14:05:20 <Zakim> aseiler should now be muted
14:05:30 <rayd> rayd has joined #lld
14:05:47 <GordonD> minutes ok with me
14:06:06 <Jeff> RESOLVED: accept previous telecon minutexs
14:06:17 <Jeff> s/minutesx/minutes/
14:06:28 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:06:39 <Jeff> Topic: F2F meetings
14:06:42 <antoine> zakim, LC is rayd
14:06:42 <Zakim> +rayd; got it
14:06:51 <digikim> what is the URL of the agenda?
14:07:12 <emma> agenda : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Aug/0089.html
14:07:20 <digikim> thanks
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14:07:48 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
14:07:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see antoine, Jeff, kai, AlexanderH, emma, aseiler (muted), michaelp (muted), monica (muted), rsinger (muted), GordonD (muted), digikim, marcia, TomB, edsu, Felix
14:07:54 <Zakim> ... (muted), andras, karen, jon, rayd
14:07:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see whalb, rayd, jphipps, Andras, fsasaki, TomB, GordonD, digikim, marcia, monica, kcoyle, tituomin, aseiler, emma, kai, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim, antoine, Jeff,
14:07:58 <Zakim> ... michaelp, rsinger, edsu
14:08:01 <Jeff> Tom: Joint meeting of LLD XG and DCMI architecture group
14:09:08 <Jeff> ... Discuss application profiles and how they can be applied in both groups
14:11:12 <Jeff> ... Look for patterns in application profiles and how they could be applied in the Linked Data context
14:13:32 <Zakim> -michaelp
14:15:03 <emma> F2F meetings : http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
14:15:07 <Jeff> Saturday and Sunday, 23 and 24 October - confirmed
14:15:07 <Jeff>        Face-to-face meeting of LLD XG
14:16:12 <GordonD> I will definitely be attending the F2F meeting in Pittsburgh
14:16:22 <Jeff> ACTION: verify possible attendence
14:16:25 <rsinger> I will definitely not be, unfortunately
14:16:28 <kai> People can edit their states, just changed my to stron yes :-)
14:17:54 <Jeff> s/verify possible attendence/Use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not/
14:18:31 <Jeff> Colone F2F
14:18:37 <TomB> s-attending or not=attending or not - at  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F=
14:18:47 <antoine> regrets+ jneuchim
14:19:02 <TomB> s=attending or not=attending or not - at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F=
14:19:13 <Jeff> Topic: Use cases and case studies 
14:19:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html TomB
14:19:27 <GordonD> doodle poll link for cologne is not working
14:19:59 <aseiler> doodle poll for cologne: http://www.doodle.com/tdxwapytnxrsm4tm
14:20:06 <TomB> q+
14:20:23 <antoine> zakim, ack TomB
14:20:23 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:20:31 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'where are we'
14:21:51 <Jeff> Deadline was yesterday for submitting use cases
14:21:57 <Jeff> 8 use cases submitted
14:22:01 <TomB> scribenick: Jeff
14:23:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html fsasaki
14:24:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html fsasaki
14:25:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html fsasaki
14:25:30 <antoine> ACTION: Everyone to create use cases on the "use case note" page http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes. Not more than 2 persons per case. Deadline august 25. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action04]
14:25:32 <antoine> --DONE
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14:26:30 <fsasaki> present: AlexanderH Andras Anette Felix GordonD Jeff LC TomB  antoine aseiler digikim edsu emma fsasaki jon jphipps kai karen kcoyle marcia michaelp monica rayd rsinger tituomin whalb
14:26:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html fsasaki
14:26:35 <Jeff> Review of individual use cases:
14:27:30 <Jeff> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Data_Enrichment
14:27:59 <Jeff> Bibliographic Network
14:27:59 <Jeff>        http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Bibliographic_Network
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14:28:51 <rsinger> there's tod
14:29:08 <antoine> Jeff: I'm not finished
14:29:15 <antoine> ... but I like the template
14:29:21 <rsinger> if'n you want him to talk about the use case
14:29:45 <Zakim> -GordonD
14:29:46 <matolat> sorry I can't join the ca;;
14:29:48 <matolat> call
14:30:01 <rsinger> well, nm then :)
14:31:07 <Zakim> +??P0
14:31:08 <antoine> Jeff: I wouldn't change the templates on the section I started
14:31:32 <antoine> Kai: it's not a problem that youcouldn't use a section,it's just that you're not there yet
14:31:36 <GordonD> zakim, ??P90 is me
14:31:36 <Zakim> sorry, GordonD, I do not recognize a party named '??P90'
14:31:53 <rsinger> no
14:32:00 <Jeff> Jeff: The template worked well for me so far. My use case is incomplete 
14:32:18 <Jeff> Open Library Data
14:32:19 <Jeff>        http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Open_Library_Data
14:33:10 <Jeff> Karen: Not sure how linked data applied to use case and how topics could be applied
14:33:25 <rsinger> btw, i have a copy of the OL data in a platform store (therefore, has sparql):  http://api.talis.com/stores/openlibrary
14:33:34 <Jeff> AlexanderH: 2 use cases
14:34:15 <Zakim> -karen
14:35:06 <Jeff> ... who are the actors? Use OL as one provider for such data
14:35:23 <emma> q+ to comment on the name of the UC
14:35:43 <Jeff> karen: OL is a real use case
14:37:14 <Jeff> Karen: we don't have applications that use Linked Data
14:38:09 <Jeff> AlexanderH: Who is the user and what are the interactions?
14:38:50 <Jeff> Alexander: The goal isn't to have Linked Data
14:39:06 <Jeff> ... What is the problem and why is Linked Data the best solution?
14:39:42 <Jeff> ... Linked Data is a means, not an ends
14:40:27 <Jeff> ... Linked Data can be used to express requirements for use cases
14:40:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html TomB
14:41:43 <Jeff> antoine: can use case be adapted to accommodate AnelxanderH's perspective?
14:41:48 <TomB> s/Use wiki page to/Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to/
14:41:49 <AlexanderH> wasn't me speaking it was Kai
14:42:18 <Jeff> kcoyle: Kai's view seems like a different use case
14:42:22 <emma> s/AlexanderH/Kai
14:42:40 <emma> s/Alexander/Kai
14:43:11 <Jeff> Kai: Assumes use cases come from a user's perspective
14:43:21 <Zakim> -monica
14:43:34 <edsu> q+ to support kai
14:43:55 <Zakim> -marcia
14:44:48 <kai> zakim, who is noisy?
14:44:53 <Jeff> antoine: use case seems similar to http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Subject_Search
14:44:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html fsasaki
14:44:59 <Zakim> kai, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TomB (20%)
14:45:17 <marcia> ＊*somehow my line was dropped
14:45:19 <Zakim> +monica
14:46:21 <Zakim> +marcia
14:46:24 <AlexanderH> +1 for naming the UC by the use case scenario
14:46:28 <antoine> zakim, ack emma
14:46:28 <Zakim> emma, you wanted to comment on the name of the UC
14:46:30 <Zakim> I see edsu on the speaker queue
14:46:40 <Jeff> emma: use cases should describe user views rather than describing project
14:46:53 <antoine> zakim, ack edsu
14:46:53 <Zakim> edsu, you wanted to support kai
14:46:55 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:47:37 <Jeff> edsu: concrete examples are important
14:47:44 <GordonD> I'm expecting we will combine some use cases, and split others - but user should be the focus
14:47:54 <AlexanderH> q+
14:48:06 <antoine> zakim, ack AlexanderH
14:48:06 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:48:26 <jphipps> q+ to support Karen's notion that there should be multiple use cases
14:48:41 <antoine> zakim, ack jphipps
14:48:41 <Zakim> jphipps, you wanted to support Karen's notion that there should be multiple use cases
14:48:43 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:49:05 <kai> zalim, who is making noise?
14:49:12 <Jeff> jphipps: There is value in publishing the data without knowing how it will be used
14:49:26 <emma> Q+  tu use "inteded audience to record UC which UC are producer-oriented
14:49:42 <antoine> zakim, ack emma
14:49:44 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:50:00 <GordonD> users are professional intermediaries. service developers, content providers, and ... end-users
14:50:14 <kcoyle> +1
14:50:27 <Jeff> emma: differentiate target audience in use case between user and producers
14:50:46 <edsu> sometimes i even think users are computer programs :)
14:50:53 <GordonD> +1
14:51:15 <Zakim> +michaelp
14:51:15 <fsasaki> @ edsu: in some cases they are, see the "language technology" use case
14:51:23 <jphipps> +1 edsu
14:51:26 <edsu> fsasaki++
14:51:35 <fsasaki> :)
14:51:45 <TomB> +1 EdSu - and making this point explicit
14:52:05 <Jeff> Kai: OK to indicate the target audience in the use case with focus on producer vs consumer
14:52:33 <AlexanderH> q+
14:52:38 <Jeff> ... but a consumer perspective provides greater insight why Linked Data is important
14:53:22 <antoine> zakim, ack AlexanderH
14:53:22 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:53:39 <Jeff> antoine: producer-oriented use cases raises interesting problems that a user-perspective may miss
14:54:43 <GordonD> I assume linked-data refers to architectures, applications, etc. as well as content (that is, instance triples and resorces with URIs)
14:54:51 <emma> q+
14:56:23 <rsinger> "You don't work on the goal you want, you work on the goal you have"
14:57:02 <Jeff> edsu: why should the OL data base exposed as Linked Data?
14:57:47 <Jeff> kcoyle: the stated goal is to make the data as useful as possible
14:57:52 <Zakim> -michaelp
14:58:32 <Jeff> kai: change the goal section and generalize the use case name 
14:58:33 <rsinger> Would it make more sense to define the goal as "identify the resources and identifiers in the Open Library since it is an aggregate of multiple sources of data"?
14:59:01 <Jeff> ACTION: kai will try to update the use case
15:00:57 <Zakim> -edsu
15:01:01 <Jeff> Topic: LLD Topic list
15:01:11 <Zakim> -jon
15:01:41 <antoine> ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08]
15:01:44 <antoine> --CONTINUES
15:01:58 <Jeff> Topic: Other
15:02:22 <Jeff> ACTION: Marcia to post I2 comments to LLD list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-lld-minutes.html#action02]
15:03:14 <kcoyle> yes, she did
15:03:26 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Aug/0074.html
15:03:35 <Jeff> --done
15:04:02 <Zakim> -marcia
15:04:21 <Jeff> New wiki pages on Library data resources and terminology (Karen)
15:04:21 <Jeff>     http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_Data_Resources
15:04:21 <Jeff>     http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_terminology_informally_explained
15:04:45 <Jeff> karen: feel free to add to these
15:05:15 <kcoyle> angelique music
15:05:18 <antoine> ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc. for discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action06]
15:05:21 <antoine> --CONTINUES
15:05:28 <kcoyle> oops,rong keyboard
15:05:54 <Zakim> -GordonD
15:05:56 <Zakim> -andras
15:06:02 <Zakim> -Felix
15:06:04 <Zakim> -kai
15:06:04 <Zakim> -rsinger
15:06:04 <Jeff> [adjourned]
15:06:06 <Zakim> -monica
15:06:13 <Zakim> -AlexanderH
15:06:16 <Zakim> -aseiler
15:06:24 <Zakim> -digikim
15:06:35 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:06:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html antoine
15:06:43 <Zakim> -rayd
15:08:13 <emma> s/kai will try to update the use case/ kai will try to update Karen's use case
15:08:17 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:08:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html antoine
15:09:03 <antoine> zakim, list attendees
15:09:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been antoine, Jeff, kai, AlexanderH, emma, +49.221.400.7.aaaa, michaelp, monica, aseiler, rsinger, GordonD, digikim, +1.330.289.aabb, marcia,
15:09:07 <Zakim> ... edsu, TomB, Felix, +1.361.279.aacc, karen, andras, jon, rayd
15:09:37 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:09:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html antoine
15:10:20 <antoine> zakim, bye
15:10:20 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were antoine, Jeff, kai, AlexanderH, emma, +49.221.400.7.aaaa, michaelp, monica, aseiler, rsinger, GordonD, digikim, +1.330.289.aabb,
15:10:20 <Zakim> Zakim has left #lld
15:10:23 <Zakim> ... marcia, edsu, TomB, Felix, +1.361.279.aacc, karen, andras, jon, rayd
15:10:39 <antoine> rrsagent, bye
15:10:39 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-actions.rdf :
15:10:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: verify possible attendence [1]
15:10:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-irc#T14-16-22
15:10:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everyone to create use cases on the "use case note" page http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes. Not more than 2 persons per case. Deadline august 25. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action04] [2]
15:10:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-irc#T14-25-30
15:10:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kai will try to update the use case [3]
15:10:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-irc#T14-59-01
15:10:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08] [4]
15:10:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-irc#T15-01-41
15:10:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Marcia to post I2 comments to LLD list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-lld-minutes.html#action02] [5]
15:10:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-irc#T15-02-22
15:10:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc. for discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action06] [6]
15:10:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-irc#T15-05-18