See also: IRC log
no weekly minutes needs approval
minutes of f2f not entirely received yet
...postponed until next week
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739
<ht> HST happy with Election Procedures email
<noah> ACTION-744?
<trackbot> ACTION-744 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send a message to the AB to ask them to review the election procedures for the TAG -- due 2012-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744
<noah> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0027.html
<noah> ab@w3.org?
RESOLUTION: send the E-mail on TAG election procedures email to the AB <ab@w3.org>
<noah> HT: ab list is member-only...follow their precedent
(discussions about Cc:ing www-tag, result is no)
<noah> Permission to close 744 once sent? No objection.
Noah: the f2f minutes have the discussion around that issue public anyway
<noah> ACTION-701?
<trackbot> ACTION-701 -- Noah Mendelsohn to follow up with Robin on election reform -- due 2012-08-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/701
<noah> ACTION-721?
<trackbot> ACTION-721 -- Noah Mendelsohn to update product index to target date on publishing & linking -- due 2012-06-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/721
<noah> ACTION-736?
<trackbot> ACTION-736 -- Noah Mendelsohn to prod Henry on ACTION-724 for F2F -- due 2012-09-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/736
<noah> close ACTION-701
<trackbot> ACTION-701 Follow up with Robin on election reform closed
<noah> close ACTION-721
<trackbot> ACTION-721 Update product index to target date on publishing & linking closed
no objections, action closed
<noah> close ACTION-736
<trackbot> ACTION-736 Prod Henry on ACTION-724 for F2F closed
<noah> ACTION-733?
<trackbot> ACTION-733 -- Larry Masinter to prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F -- due 2012-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733
<noah> close ACTION-733?
<noah> ACTION-739?
<trackbot> ACTION-739 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F discussion of XXX handler registration see discussion on 20 Sept. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739
<noah> close ACTION-739
<trackbot> ACTION-739 Schedule F2F discussion of XXX handler registration see discussion on 20 Sept. closed
<noah> ACTION-740?
<trackbot> ACTION-740 -- Larry Masinter to update the governance frame for Oct F2F discussion -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/740
<noah> close ACTION-740
<trackbot> ACTION-740 Update the governance frame for Oct F2F discussion closed
nothing heard from the ab wrt joint meeting
<noah> HT: Suggest nothing further official on AB syncup unless they reach out to us
Larry: I'll bug Steve
<noah> Ian Jacobs: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0020.html
<noah> From Ian's note:
<noah> Some options:
<noah> * 5 minutes at the AC meeting (Tuesday afternoon or Thursday morning)
<noah> * An breakout session during TPAC plenary. You don't have to use the whole hour if you don't need it.
<noah> * A lightning talk during the plenary session on "new work".
<noah> We can do all of them, or a subset.
ht: we won't do a breakout
session
... I'll happy to make sure we don't drop this
<masinter> I'm thinking of a breakout sesssion about precision and error handling
<noah> Larry, do we need to discuss that here.
<masinter> no
<masinter> i'm working on the "list of issues for Jeff" and want to talk about the issues to people at TPAC
Ashok: publishing and linking can be mentionned in item 1 or 3
noah: lightning talk would make sense
<masinter> I'm trying to decide whether I want "last call" of P&L before or after TPAC
<masinter> list of issues for jeff
<masinter> the issues I have are governance, security, http, URI, TAG
Noah: we got this discussed at the f2f, no?
Larry: the list is constructed from memory, I'll check the f2f minutes
Ashok: I added an executive summary
the document was sent on monday, no comments since then
Larry: we told some people we would ask for feedback, I would like their comment before LC
<masinter> Last call is a general call for review
<masinter> if we have 3-4 specific people we want to ask for review, we could do that before Last Call
<masinter> i could go either way
Noah: the trade-off is that we don't want to LC if we think it's broken. Here there is no downside of going to LC back to WD, so not a big deal either way
<ht> +1 to last call now
Ashok: I'd rather go to LC now and deal with comments
<masinter> i'm fine with Last Call now
Yves: looks fine to go to LC now
<masinter> +1 to last call before TPAC
Ashok: when can it be published?
<masinter> weren't we going to write exit criteria
<Ashok> Yves, if we agree today, we can publish next week
Noah: my inclination here is not to dive in process issue about exit criteria, LC is a good next step to get attention on the document
<noah> . PROPOSAL: We agree to take http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-20121015.html to last call, expecting publication in time for TPAC review. Yves w/rest of TAG to get suitable W3C news announcement.
<masinter> ok, the exit criteria discussion was about fragid, not p&l
<noah> RESOLUTION: We agree to take http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-20121015.html to last call, expecting publication in time for TPAC review. Yves w/rest of TAG to get suitable W3C news announcement.
<noah> Approved without objection.
http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9565
FPWD announcement.
Yves: we can iterate form this announcement, asking explicitly for feedback
<noah> ACTION-747?
<trackbot> ACTION-747 -- Ashok Malhotra to update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft -- due 2012-10-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747
<masinter> action-755?
<trackbot> ACTION-755 -- Larry Masinter to with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match -- due 2012-10-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755
<noah> ACTION-755 Due 2012-10-28
<trackbot> ACTION-755 with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match due date now 2012-10-28
<noah> ACTION-747 Due 2012-10-28
<trackbot> ACTION-747 Update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft due date now 2012-10-28
<noah> ACTION-755?
<trackbot> ACTION-755 -- Larry Masinter to with help from Ashok (and TAG), decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking - must be ahead of CR -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755
<noah> ACTION-747?
<trackbot> ACTION-747 -- Ashok Malhotra to update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft -- due 2012-10-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747
<noah> ACTION-708?
<trackbot> ACTION-708 -- Henry Thompson to check with Chris Lilley on likely near term progress of RFC 3023bis -- due 2012-09-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/708
<noah> ACTION-564?
<trackbot> ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564
<ht> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lilley-xml-mediatypes/
<ht> Keep 564
<ht> Close 708
<noah> close ACTION-708
<trackbot> ACTION-708 Check with Chris Lilley on likely near term progress of RFC 3023bis closed
<ht> Move date to 1-Dec-2012
<noah> ACTION-564 Due 2012-12-01
<trackbot> ACTION-564 Track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate due date now 2012-12-01
<noah> ACTION-564?
<trackbot> ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate -- due 2012-12-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564
<noah> ACTION-733?
<trackbot> ACTION-733 -- Larry Masinter to prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F -- due 2012-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733
<noah> ACTION-659?
<trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Yves Lafon to track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY -- due 2013-01-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659
<noah> close ACTION-733
<trackbot> ACTION-733 prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F closed
<noah> ACTION-750?
<trackbot> ACTION-750 -- Noah Mendelsohn to contact Ian about TAG participation in TPAC -- see minutes of 8 Oct late afternoon -- due 2012-10-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750
<ht> Fine
<noah> ACTION-750?
<trackbot> ACTION-750 -- Henry Thompson to contact Ian about TAG participation in TPAC -- see minutes of 8 Oct late afternoon -- due 2012-10-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750
<noah> ACTION-744?
<trackbot> ACTION-744 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send a message to the AB to ask them to review the election procedures for the TAG -- due 2012-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744
<noah> ACTION-734?
<trackbot> ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734
<noah> ACTION-672?
<trackbot> ACTION-672 -- Jeni Tennison to work with PLH to create W3C-sponsored registry of HTML extensions, and get that referenced from HTML media type registration, per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.html -- due 2012-05-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/672
<noah> ACTION-724?
<trackbot> ACTION-724 -- Henry Thompson to investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724
Yves: I recall we discussed extensions in general, we might keep discussion about CSS vendor prefixes as well
Noah: should we schedule discussion next week?
Peter: I brought the issues about CSS vendor prefix
Noah: the question is.. is it a model for anything else?
Peter: there are discussions in the CSS WG about changing it, nothing concrete so far
Larry: it would be good to know what are the issues
<masinter> i'm still interested in this topic
<noah> ACTION-734?
<trackbot> ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734
Larry: can you brief us about csswg discussions about vendor prefixes?
<noah> ACTION-711?
<trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711
Peter: I have an action to write a document about that
<masinter> i'm ok with dropping 734 and keeping 711 open
<noah> close ACTION-734?
<noah> ACTION-711?
<trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711
<noah> close ACTION-734
<trackbot> ACTION-734 schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F closed
<noah> ACTION-683?
<trackbot> ACTION-683 -- Yves Lafon to figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG -- due 2012-10-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/683
<noah> YL: Started to discuss w/Mike, but he was away. On hold.
<noah> ACTION-683 Due 2012-12-04
<trackbot> ACTION-683 Figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG due date now 2012-12-04
<noah> ACTION-617?
<trackbot> ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617
<noah> ACTION-617 Due 2012-10-23
<trackbot> ACTION-617 Work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track due date now 2012-10-23
<noah> Good Practice
<noah> Specifications that define namespaces SHOULD explicitly state their policy with respect to changes in the names defined in that namespace.
<masinter> seems like it belongs in the XML spec
<noah> ACTION-617?
<trackbot> ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617
ht: this is not the XML-core business, it's a TAG issue, relative to httprange-14
<masinter> should be errata / addendum to namespace rec
<ht> Whoops
noah: how about publishing this document as a note, and send the pointer to that note to xml-core (to be put on there work pile if they think it's ok with them)
<ht> I like Noah's suggestion
Yves: +1
<ht> I have to leave :-(
<masinter> +1
<masinter> add an XML section to http://www.webplatform.org/ :P
<plinss> +1
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