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17:05:57 <Yves> trackbot, start telcon
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17:06:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TAG
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17:06:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
17:06:03 <trackbot> Date: 18 October 2012
17:06:08 <Yves> Scribe: Yves
17:06:11 <Yves> Chair: Noah
17:06:47 <noah> zakim, who is here?
17:06:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see ht, plinss, noah, Ashok_Malhotra, Yves
17:06:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see noah, RRSAgent, Zakim, ht, Ashok, Norm, plinss, Yves, trackbot
17:07:38 <Yves> Topic: approval of minutes
17:07:49 <Yves> no weekly minutes needs approval
17:07:57 <Yves> minutes of f2f not entirely received yet
17:08:07 <Yves> ...postponed until next week
17:08:19 <noah> ACTION-739?
17:08:19 <trackbot> ACTION-739 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F discussion of XXX handler registration see discussion on 20 Sept. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:08:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739
17:08:28 <Yves> Topic:  Administrative item
17:08:56 <ht> HST happy with Election Procedures email
17:09:11 <noah> ACTION-744?
17:09:11 <trackbot> ACTION-744 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send a message to the AB to ask them to review the election procedures for the TAG -- due 2012-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:09:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744
17:09:13 <noah> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0027.html
17:10:02 <noah> ab@w3.org?
17:10:27 <Yves> RESOLUTION: send the aforementionned email to the AB <ab@w3.org>
17:10:53 <noah> s/aforementionned/E-mail on TAG election procedures/
17:12:08 <noah> HT: ab list is member-only...follow their precedent
17:12:10 <Yves> (discussions about Cc:ing www-tag, result is no)
17:12:26 <noah> NM: OK...I think our F2F minutes make the general concern clear
17:12:44 <noah> Permission to close 744 once sent? No objection.
17:12:45 <Yves> Noah: the f2f minutes have the discussion around that issue public anyway
17:13:02 <Yves> Topic: action to be closed
17:13:08 <Zakim> + +1.415.832.aaaa
17:14:00 <noah> ACTION-701?
17:14:00 <trackbot> ACTION-701 -- Noah Mendelsohn to follow up with Robin on election reform -- due 2012-08-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/701
17:14:07 <noah> ACTION-721?
17:14:07 <trackbot> ACTION-721 -- Noah Mendelsohn to update product index to target date on publishing & linking -- due 2012-06-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/721
17:14:13 <noah> ACTION-736?
17:14:13 <trackbot> ACTION-736 -- Noah Mendelsohn to prod Henry on ACTION-724 for F2F -- due 2012-09-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/736
17:14:21 <noah> close ACTION-701
17:14:21 <trackbot> ACTION-701 Follow up with Robin on election reform closed
17:14:24 <noah> close ACTION-721
17:14:24 <trackbot> ACTION-721 Update product index to target date on publishing & linking closed
17:14:25 <Yves> no objections, action closed
17:14:27 <noah> close ACTION-736
17:14:27 <trackbot> ACTION-736 Prod Henry on ACTION-724 for F2F closed
17:14:32 <noah> ACTION-733?
17:14:32 <trackbot> ACTION-733 -- Larry Masinter to prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F -- due 2012-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733
17:14:44 <noah> close ACTION-733?
17:14:49 <noah> ACTION-739?
17:14:49 <trackbot> ACTION-739 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F discussion of XXX handler registration see discussion on 20 Sept. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739
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17:14:57 <noah> close ACTION-739
17:14:57 <trackbot> ACTION-739 Schedule F2F discussion of XXX handler registration see discussion on 20 Sept. closed
17:15:05 <noah> ACTION-740?
17:15:05 <trackbot> ACTION-740 -- Larry Masinter to update the governance frame for Oct F2F discussion -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:15:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/740
17:15:23 <noah> close ACTION-740
17:15:23 <trackbot> ACTION-740 Update the governance frame for Oct F2F discussion closed
17:15:36 <Yves> Topic: TPAC
17:15:57 <Yves> nothing heard from the ab wrt joint meeting
17:17:14 <noah> HT: Suggest nothing further official on AB syncup unless they reach out to us
17:17:32 <Yves> Larry: I'll bug Steve
17:18:36 <noah> Ian Jacobs: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0020.html
17:18:44 <noah> From Ian's note:
17:18:45 <noah> Some options:
17:18:45 <noah>  * 5 minutes at the AC meeting (Tuesday afternoon or Thursday morning)
17:18:45 <noah>  * An breakout session during TPAC plenary. You don't have to use the whole hour if you don't need it.
17:18:45 <noah>  * A lightning talk during the plenary session on "new work".
17:18:46 <noah> We can do all of them, or a subset.
17:19:47 <Yves> ht: we won't do a breakout session
17:20:10 <Yves> ht: I'll happy to make sure we don't drop this
17:20:44 <masinter> I'm thinking of a breakout sesssion about precision and error handling
17:21:08 <noah> Larry, do we need to discuss that here.
17:22:09 <masinter> no
17:22:45 <masinter> i'm working on the "list of issues for Jeff" and want to talk about the issues to people at TPAC
17:23:21 <Yves> Ashok: publishing and linking can be mentionned in item 1 or 3
17:23:38 <Yves> noah: lightning talk would make sense
17:23:39 <masinter> I'm trying to decide whether I want "last call" of P&L before or after TPAC
17:25:18 <masinter> list of issues for jeff
17:25:53 <masinter> the issues I have are governance, security, http, URI, TAG
17:26:21 <Yves> Noah: we got this discussed at the f2f, no?
17:26:34 <masinter> i'll go back and look at the minutes
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17:26:35 <Yves> Larry: the list is constructed form memory, I'll check the f2f minutes
17:27:08 <masinter> s/form/from/
17:28:04 <Yves> Topic: Publishing and Linking
17:28:49 <Yves> Ashok: I added an executive summary
17:30:20 <Yves> the document was sent on monday, no comments since then
17:31:09 <Yves> diff is at http://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2Ftag%2Fdoc%2FPublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-2012-08-15.html&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2Ftag%2Fdoc%2FpublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb.html
17:31:38 <Yves> Larry: we told some people we would ask for feedback, I would like their comment before LC
17:31:39 <masinter> Last call is a general call for review
17:31:54 <masinter> if we have 3-4 specific people we want to ask for review, we could do that before Last Call
17:32:11 <masinter> i could go either way
17:32:34 <Yves> Noah: the trade-off is that we don't want to LC if we think it's broken. Here there is no downside of going to LC back to WD, so not a big deal either way
17:32:41 <ht> +1 to last call now
17:32:53 <Yves> Ashok: I'd rather go to LC now and deal with comments
17:33:06 <masinter> i'm fine with Last Call now
17:33:14 <Yves> Yves: looks fine to go to LC now
17:33:36 <masinter> +1 to last call before TPAC
17:33:52 <Yves> Ashok: when can it be published?
17:34:14 <masinter> weren't we going to write exit criteria
17:34:36 <Ashok> Yves, if we agree today, we can publish next week
17:35:40 <Yves> Noah: my inclination here is not to dive in process issue about exit criteria, LC is a good next step to get attention on the document
17:36:47 <noah> . PROPOSAL: We agree to take http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-20121015.html to last call, expecting publication in time for TPAC review. Yves w/rest of TAG to get suitable W3C news announcement.
17:37:02 <masinter> ok, the exit criteria discussion was about fragid, not p&l
17:37:55 <noah> RESOLUTION: We agree to take http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-20121015.html to last call, expecting publication in time for TPAC review. Yves w/rest of TAG to get suitable W3C news announcement.
17:38:01 <noah> Approved without objection.
17:38:53 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9565
17:39:00 <Yves> FPWD announcement.
17:39:20 <Yves> Yves: we can iterate form this announcement, asking explicitly for feedback
17:40:08 <noah> ACTION-747?
17:40:08 <trackbot> ACTION-747 -- Ashok Malhotra to update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft -- due 2012-10-14 -- OPEN
17:40:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747
17:40:46 <masinter> action-755?
17:40:46 <trackbot> ACTION-755 -- Larry Masinter to with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match -- due 2012-10-16 -- OPEN
17:40:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755
17:41:23 <noah> ACTION-755 Due 2012-10-28
17:41:23 <trackbot> ACTION-755 with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match due date now 2012-10-28
17:41:36 <noah> ACTION-747 Due 2012-10-28
17:41:36 <trackbot> ACTION-747 Update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft due date now 2012-10-28
17:44:37 <noah> ACTION-755?
17:44:37 <trackbot> ACTION-755 -- Larry Masinter to with help from Ashok (and TAG), decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking - must be ahead of CR -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
17:44:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755
17:45:03 <noah> ACTION-747?
17:45:03 <trackbot> ACTION-747 -- Ashok Malhotra to update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft -- due 2012-10-28 -- OPEN
17:45:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747
17:45:54 <Yves> Topic: action items
17:46:01 <noah> ACTION-708?
17:46:01 <trackbot> ACTION-708 -- Henry Thompson to check with Chris Lilley on likely near term progress of RFC 3023bis -- due 2012-09-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:46:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/708
17:46:46 <noah> ACTION-564?
17:46:46 <trackbot> ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN
17:46:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564
17:47:00 <ht> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lilley-xml-mediatypes/
17:47:30 <ht> Keep 564
17:47:37 <ht> Close 708
17:47:44 <noah> close ACTION-708
17:47:44 <trackbot> ACTION-708 Check with Chris Lilley on likely near term progress of RFC 3023bis closed
17:47:46 <ht> Move date to 1-Dec-2012
17:48:03 <noah> ACTION-564 Due 2012-12-01
17:48:03 <trackbot> ACTION-564 Track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate due date now 2012-12-01
17:48:15 <noah> ACTION-564?
17:48:15 <trackbot> ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate -- due 2012-12-01 -- OPEN
17:48:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564
17:48:30 <noah> ACTION-733?
17:48:30 <trackbot> ACTION-733 -- Larry Masinter to prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F -- due 2012-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:48:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733
17:48:52 <noah> ACTION-659?
17:48:52 <trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Yves Lafon to track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY -- due 2013-01-01 -- OPEN
17:48:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659
17:49:04 <noah> close ACTION-733
17:49:04 <trackbot> ACTION-733 prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F closed
17:49:28 <noah> ACTION-750?
17:49:28 <trackbot> ACTION-750 -- Noah Mendelsohn to contact Ian about TAG participation in TPAC -- see minutes of 8 Oct late afternoon -- due 2012-10-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:49:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750
17:50:06 <ht> Fine
17:50:16 <noah> ACTION-750?
17:50:16 <trackbot> ACTION-750 -- Henry Thompson to contact Ian about TAG participation in TPAC -- see minutes of 8 Oct late afternoon -- due 2012-10-30 -- OPEN
17:50:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750
17:50:36 <noah> ACTION-744?
17:50:36 <trackbot> ACTION-744 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send a message to the AB to ask them to review the election procedures for the TAG -- due 2012-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:50:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744
17:50:46 <noah> ACTION-734?
17:50:46 <trackbot> ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:50:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734
17:51:40 <noah> ACTION-672?
17:51:40 <trackbot> ACTION-672 -- Jeni Tennison to work with PLH to create W3C-sponsored registry of HTML extensions, and get that referenced from HTML media type registration, per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.html -- due 2012-05-29 -- OPEN
17:51:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/672
17:51:51 <noah> ACTION-724?
17:51:51 <trackbot> ACTION-724 -- Henry Thompson to investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN
17:51:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724
17:52:18 <Yves> Yves: I recall we discussed extensions in general, we might keep discussion about CSS vendor prefixes as well
17:52:32 <Yves> Noah: should we schedule discussion next week?
17:53:47 <Yves> Peter: I brought the issues about CSS vendor prefix
17:53:57 <masinter> registerCSSHandler ?
17:54:03 <Yves> Noah: the question is.. is it a model for anything else?
17:54:40 <Yves> Peter: there are discussions in the CSS WG about changing it, nothing concrete so far
17:54:52 <Yves> Larry: it would be good to know what are the issues
17:55:15 <masinter> i'm still interested in this topic
17:55:39 <noah> ACTION-734?
17:55:39 <trackbot> ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:55:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734
17:56:47 <Yves> Larry: can you brief us about csswg discussions about vendor prefixes?
17:57:01 <noah> ACTION-711?
17:57:01 <trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
17:57:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711
17:57:07 <Yves> Peter: I have an action to write a document about that
17:57:45 <masinter> i'm ok with dropping 734 and keeping 711 open
17:58:24 <Zakim> -ht
17:58:35 <noah> close ACTION-734?
17:58:43 <noah> ACTION-711?
17:58:43 <trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
17:58:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711
17:59:23 <noah> close ACTION-734
17:59:24 <trackbot> ACTION-734 schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F closed
17:59:57 <noah> ACTION-683?
17:59:57 <trackbot> ACTION-683 -- Yves Lafon to figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG -- due 2012-10-02 -- OPEN
17:59:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/683
18:00:31 <noah> YL: Started to discuss w/Mike, but he was away. On hold.
18:00:49 <noah> ACTION-683 Due 2012-12-04
18:00:49 <trackbot> ACTION-683 Figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG due date now 2012-12-04
18:01:01 <noah> ACTION-617?
18:01:01 <trackbot> ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN
18:01:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617
18:02:28 <noah> ACTION-617 Due 2012-10-23
18:02:28 <trackbot> ACTION-617 Work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track due date now 2012-10-23
18:02:50 <noah> Good Practice
18:02:50 <noah> Specifications that define namespaces SHOULD explicitly state their policy with respect to changes in the names defined in that namespace.
18:03:02 <masinter> seems like it belongs in the XML spec
18:03:57 <Zakim> +??P1
18:04:32 <noah> ACTION-617?
18:04:32 <trackbot> ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN
18:04:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617
18:06:29 <Yves> ht: this is not the XML-core business, it's a TAG issue, relative to httprange-14
18:07:12 <masinter> should be errata / addendum to namespace rec
18:07:30 <Zakim> -noah
18:07:34 <ht> Whoops
18:07:37 <Yves> noah: how about publishing this document as a note, and send the pointer to that note to xml-core (to be put on there work pile if they think it's ok with them)
18:07:40 <ht> I like Noah's suggestion
18:07:45 <Yves> Yves: +1
18:07:47 <ht> I have to leave :-(
18:07:59 <masinter> +1
18:07:59 <Zakim> -ht
18:08:34 <masinter> add an XML section to http://www.webplatform.org/ :P
18:08:34 <plinss> +1
18:09:54 <Zakim> +Noah_Mendelsohn
18:10:43 <Yves> due to technical issues... ADJOURNED
18:10:46 <Zakim> -Noah_Mendelsohn
18:10:48 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
18:10:51 <Zakim> -plinss
18:10:53 <Zakim> -Yves
18:10:54 <Zakim> -Larry
18:10:54 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
18:10:54 <Zakim> Attendees were ht, plinss, noah, Ashok_Malhotra, Yves, +1.415.832.aaaa, Larry, Noah_Mendelsohn
18:10:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/18-tagmem-minutes.html Yves