IRC log of tagmem on 2012-10-18

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17:05:57 [Yves]: trackbot, start telcon
17:05:59 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs public
17:06:01 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be TAG
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17:06:02 [trackbot]: Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
17:06:03 [trackbot]: Date: 18 October 2012
17:06:08 [Yves]: Scribe: Yves
17:06:11 [Yves]: Chair: Noah
17:06:47 [noah]: zakim, who is here?
17:06:47 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ht, plinss, noah, Ashok_Malhotra, Yves
17:06:48 [Zakim]: On IRC I see noah, RRSAgent, Zakim, ht, Ashok, Norm, plinss, Yves, trackbot
17:07:38 [Yves]: Topic: approval of minutes
17:07:49 [Yves]: no weekly minutes needs approval
17:07:57 [Yves]: minutes of f2f not entirely received yet
17:08:07 [Yves]: ...postponed until next week
17:08:19 [noah]: ACTION-739?
17:08:19 [trackbot]: ACTION-739 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F discussion of XXX handler registration see discussion on 20 Sept. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:08:19 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739
17:08:28 [Yves]: Topic: Administrative item
17:08:56 [ht]: HST happy with Election Procedures email
17:09:11 [noah]: ACTION-744?
17:09:11 [trackbot]: ACTION-744 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send a message to the AB to ask them to review the election procedures for the TAG -- due 2012-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:09:11 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744
17:09:13 [noah]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0027.html
17:10:02 [noah]: ab@w3.org?
17:10:27 [Yves]: RESOLUTION: send the aforementionned email to the AB <ab@w3.org>
17:10:53 [noah]: s/aforementionned/E-mail on TAG election procedures/
17:12:08 [noah]: HT: ab list is member-only...follow their precedent
17:12:10 [Yves]: (discussions about Cc:ing www-tag, result is no)
17:12:26 [noah]: NM: OK...I think our F2F minutes make the general concern clear
17:12:44 [noah]: Permission to close 744 once sent? No objection.
17:12:45 [Yves]: Noah: the f2f minutes have the discussion around that issue public anyway
17:13:02 [Yves]: Topic: action to be closed
17:13:08 [Zakim]: + +1.415.832.aaaa
17:14:00 [noah]: ACTION-701?
17:14:00 [trackbot]: ACTION-701 -- Noah Mendelsohn to follow up with Robin on election reform -- due 2012-08-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:00 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/701
17:14:07 [noah]: ACTION-721?
17:14:07 [trackbot]: ACTION-721 -- Noah Mendelsohn to update product index to target date on publishing & linking -- due 2012-06-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:07 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/721
17:14:13 [noah]: ACTION-736?
17:14:13 [trackbot]: ACTION-736 -- Noah Mendelsohn to prod Henry on ACTION-724 for F2F -- due 2012-09-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:13 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/736
17:14:21 [noah]: close ACTION-701
17:14:21 [trackbot]: ACTION-701 Follow up with Robin on election reform closed
17:14:24 [noah]: close ACTION-721
17:14:24 [trackbot]: ACTION-721 Update product index to target date on publishing & linking closed
17:14:25 [Yves]: no objections, action closed
17:14:27 [noah]: close ACTION-736
17:14:27 [trackbot]: ACTION-736 Prod Henry on ACTION-724 for F2F closed
17:14:32 [noah]: ACTION-733?
17:14:32 [trackbot]: ACTION-733 -- Larry Masinter to prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F -- due 2012-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:32 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733
17:14:44 [noah]: close ACTION-733?
17:14:49 [noah]: ACTION-739?
17:14:49 [trackbot]: ACTION-739 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F discussion of XXX handler registration see discussion on 20 Sept. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:49 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739
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17:14:57 [noah]: close ACTION-739
17:14:57 [trackbot]: ACTION-739 Schedule F2F discussion of XXX handler registration see discussion on 20 Sept. closed
17:15:05 [noah]: ACTION-740?
17:15:05 [trackbot]: ACTION-740 -- Larry Masinter to update the governance frame for Oct F2F discussion -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:15:05 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/740
17:15:23 [noah]: close ACTION-740
17:15:23 [trackbot]: ACTION-740 Update the governance frame for Oct F2F discussion closed
17:15:36 [Yves]: Topic: TPAC
17:15:57 [Yves]: nothing heard from the ab wrt joint meeting
17:17:14 [noah]: HT: Suggest nothing further official on AB syncup unless they reach out to us
17:17:32 [Yves]: Larry: I'll bug Steve
17:18:36 [noah]: Ian Jacobs: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0020.html
17:18:44 [noah]: From Ian's note:
17:18:45 [noah]: Some options:
17:18:45 [noah]: * 5 minutes at the AC meeting (Tuesday afternoon or Thursday morning)
17:18:45 [noah]: * An breakout session during TPAC plenary. You don't have to use the whole hour if you don't need it.
17:18:45 [noah]: * A lightning talk during the plenary session on "new work".
17:18:46 [noah]: We can do all of them, or a subset.
17:19:47 [Yves]: ht: we won't do a breakout session
17:20:10 [Yves]: ht: I'll happy to make sure we don't drop this
17:20:44 [masinter]: I'm thinking of a breakout sesssion about precision and error handling
17:21:08 [noah]: Larry, do we need to discuss that here.
17:22:09 [masinter]: no
17:22:45 [masinter]: i'm working on the "list of issues for Jeff" and want to talk about the issues to people at TPAC
17:23:21 [Yves]: Ashok: publishing and linking can be mentionned in item 1 or 3
17:23:38 [Yves]: noah: lightning talk would make sense
17:23:39 [masinter]: I'm trying to decide whether I want "last call" of P&L before or after TPAC
17:25:18 [masinter]: list of issues for jeff
17:25:53 [masinter]: the issues I have are governance, security, http, URI, TAG
17:26:21 [Yves]: Noah: we got this discussed at the f2f, no?
17:26:34 [masinter]: i'll go back and look at the minutes
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17:26:35 [Yves]: Larry: the list is constructed form memory, I'll check the f2f minutes
17:27:08 [masinter]: s/form/from/
17:28:04 [Yves]: Topic: Publishing and Linking
17:28:49 [Yves]: Ashok: I added an executive summary
17:30:20 [Yves]: the document was sent on monday, no comments since then
17:31:09 [Yves]: diff is at http://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2Ftag%2Fdoc%2FPublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-2012-08-15.html&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2Ftag%2Fdoc%2FpublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb.html
17:31:38 [Yves]: Larry: we told some people we would ask for feedback, I would like their comment before LC
17:31:39 [masinter]: Last call is a general call for review
17:31:54 [masinter]: if we have 3-4 specific people we want to ask for review, we could do that before Last Call
17:32:11 [masinter]: i could go either way
17:32:34 [Yves]: Noah: the trade-off is that we don't want to LC if we think it's broken. Here there is no downside of going to LC back to WD, so not a big deal either way
17:32:41 [ht]: +1 to last call now
17:32:53 [Yves]: Ashok: I'd rather go to LC now and deal with comments
17:33:06 [masinter]: i'm fine with Last Call now
17:33:14 [Yves]: Yves: looks fine to go to LC now
17:33:36 [masinter]: +1 to last call before TPAC
17:33:52 [Yves]: Ashok: when can it be published?
17:34:14 [masinter]: weren't we going to write exit criteria
17:34:36 [Ashok]: Yves, if we agree today, we can publish next week
17:35:40 [Yves]: Noah: my inclination here is not to dive in process issue about exit criteria, LC is a good next step to get attention on the document
17:36:47 [noah]: . PROPOSAL: We agree to take http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-20121015.html to last call, expecting publication in time for TPAC review. Yves w/rest of TAG to get suitable W3C news announcement.
17:37:02 [masinter]: ok, the exit criteria discussion was about fragid, not p&l
17:37:55 [noah]: RESOLUTION: We agree to take http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-20121015.html to last call, expecting publication in time for TPAC review. Yves w/rest of TAG to get suitable W3C news announcement.
17:38:01 [noah]: Approved without objection.
17:38:53 [Yves]: http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9565
17:39:00 [Yves]: FPWD announcement.
17:39:20 [Yves]: Yves: we can iterate form this announcement, asking explicitly for feedback
17:40:08 [noah]: ACTION-747?
17:40:08 [trackbot]: ACTION-747 -- Ashok Malhotra to update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft -- due 2012-10-14 -- OPEN
17:40:08 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747
17:40:46 [masinter]: action-755?
17:40:46 [trackbot]: ACTION-755 -- Larry Masinter to with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match -- due 2012-10-16 -- OPEN
17:40:46 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755
17:41:23 [noah]: ACTION-755 Due 2012-10-28
17:41:23 [trackbot]: ACTION-755 with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match due date now 2012-10-28
17:41:36 [noah]: ACTION-747 Due 2012-10-28
17:41:36 [trackbot]: ACTION-747 Update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft due date now 2012-10-28
17:44:37 [noah]: ACTION-755?
17:44:37 [trackbot]: ACTION-755 -- Larry Masinter to with help from Ashok (and TAG), decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking - must be ahead of CR -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
17:44:37 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755
17:45:03 [noah]: ACTION-747?
17:45:03 [trackbot]: ACTION-747 -- Ashok Malhotra to update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft -- due 2012-10-28 -- OPEN
17:45:03 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747
17:45:54 [Yves]: Topic: action items
17:46:01 [noah]: ACTION-708?
17:46:01 [trackbot]: ACTION-708 -- Henry Thompson to check with Chris Lilley on likely near term progress of RFC 3023bis -- due 2012-09-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:46:01 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/708
17:46:46 [noah]: ACTION-564?
17:46:46 [trackbot]: ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN
17:46:46 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564
17:47:00 [ht]: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lilley-xml-mediatypes/
17:47:30 [ht]: Keep 564
17:47:37 [ht]: Close 708
17:47:44 [noah]: close ACTION-708
17:47:44 [trackbot]: ACTION-708 Check with Chris Lilley on likely near term progress of RFC 3023bis closed
17:47:46 [ht]: Move date to 1-Dec-2012
17:48:03 [noah]: ACTION-564 Due 2012-12-01
17:48:03 [trackbot]: ACTION-564 Track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate due date now 2012-12-01
17:48:15 [noah]: ACTION-564?
17:48:15 [trackbot]: ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate -- due 2012-12-01 -- OPEN
17:48:15 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564
17:48:30 [noah]: ACTION-733?
17:48:30 [trackbot]: ACTION-733 -- Larry Masinter to prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F -- due 2012-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:48:30 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733
17:48:52 [noah]: ACTION-659?
17:48:52 [trackbot]: ACTION-659 -- Yves Lafon to track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY -- due 2013-01-01 -- OPEN
17:48:52 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659
17:49:04 [noah]: close ACTION-733
17:49:04 [trackbot]: ACTION-733 prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F closed
17:49:28 [noah]: ACTION-750?
17:49:28 [trackbot]: ACTION-750 -- Noah Mendelsohn to contact Ian about TAG participation in TPAC -- see minutes of 8 Oct late afternoon -- due 2012-10-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:49:28 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750
17:50:06 [ht]: Fine
17:50:16 [noah]: ACTION-750?
17:50:16 [trackbot]: ACTION-750 -- Henry Thompson to contact Ian about TAG participation in TPAC -- see minutes of 8 Oct late afternoon -- due 2012-10-30 -- OPEN
17:50:16 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750
17:50:36 [noah]: ACTION-744?
17:50:36 [trackbot]: ACTION-744 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send a message to the AB to ask them to review the election procedures for the TAG -- due 2012-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:50:36 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744
17:50:46 [noah]: ACTION-734?
17:50:46 [trackbot]: ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:50:46 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734
17:51:40 [noah]: ACTION-672?
17:51:40 [trackbot]: ACTION-672 -- Jeni Tennison to work with PLH to create W3C-sponsored registry of HTML extensions, and get that referenced from HTML media type registration, per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.html -- due 2012-05-29 -- OPEN
17:51:40 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/672
17:51:51 [noah]: ACTION-724?
17:51:51 [trackbot]: ACTION-724 -- Henry Thompson to investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN
17:51:51 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724
17:52:18 [Yves]: Yves: I recall we discussed extensions in general, we might keep discussion about CSS vendor prefixes as well
17:52:32 [Yves]: Noah: should we schedule discussion next week?
17:53:47 [Yves]: Peter: I brought the issues about CSS vendor prefix
17:53:57 [masinter]: registerCSSHandler ?
17:54:03 [Yves]: Noah: the question is.. is it a model for anything else?
17:54:40 [Yves]: Peter: there are discussions in the CSS WG about changing it, nothing concrete so far
17:54:52 [Yves]: Larry: it would be good to know what are the issues
17:55:15 [masinter]: i'm still interested in this topic
17:55:39 [noah]: ACTION-734?
17:55:39 [trackbot]: ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:55:39 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734
17:56:47 [Yves]: Larry: can you brief us about csswg discussions about vendor prefixes?
17:57:01 [noah]: ACTION-711?
17:57:01 [trackbot]: ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
17:57:01 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711
17:57:07 [Yves]: Peter: I have an action to write a document about that
17:57:45 [masinter]: i'm ok with dropping 734 and keeping 711 open
17:58:24 [Zakim]: -ht
17:58:35 [noah]: close ACTION-734?
17:58:43 [noah]: ACTION-711?
17:58:43 [trackbot]: ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN
17:58:43 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711
17:59:23 [noah]: close ACTION-734
17:59:24 [trackbot]: ACTION-734 schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F closed
17:59:57 [noah]: ACTION-683?
17:59:57 [trackbot]: ACTION-683 -- Yves Lafon to figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG -- due 2012-10-02 -- OPEN
17:59:57 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/683
18:00:31 [noah]: YL: Started to discuss w/Mike, but he was away. On hold.
18:00:49 [noah]: ACTION-683 Due 2012-12-04
18:00:49 [trackbot]: ACTION-683 Figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG due date now 2012-12-04
18:01:01 [noah]: ACTION-617?
18:01:01 [trackbot]: ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN
18:01:01 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617
18:02:28 [noah]: ACTION-617 Due 2012-10-23
18:02:28 [trackbot]: ACTION-617 Work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track due date now 2012-10-23
18:02:50 [noah]: Good Practice
18:02:50 [noah]: Specifications that define namespaces SHOULD explicitly state their policy with respect to changes in the names defined in that namespace.
18:03:02 [masinter]: seems like it belongs in the XML spec
18:03:57 [Zakim]: +??P1
18:04:32 [noah]: ACTION-617?
18:04:32 [trackbot]: ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN
18:04:32 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617
18:06:29 [Yves]: ht: this is not the XML-core business, it's a TAG issue, relative to httprange-14
18:07:12 [masinter]: should be errata / addendum to namespace rec
18:07:30 [Zakim]: -noah
18:07:34 [ht]: Whoops
18:07:37 [Yves]: noah: how about publishing this document as a note, and send the pointer to that note to xml-core (to be put on there work pile if they think it's ok with them)
18:07:40 [ht]: I like Noah's suggestion
18:07:45 [Yves]: Yves: +1
18:07:47 [ht]: I have to leave :-(
18:07:59 [masinter]: +1
18:07:59 [Zakim]: -ht
18:08:34 [masinter]: add an XML section to http://www.webplatform.org/ :P
18:08:34 [plinss]: +1
18:09:54 [Zakim]: +Noah_Mendelsohn
18:10:43 [Yves]: due to technical issues... ADJOURNED
18:10:46 [Zakim]: -Noah_Mendelsohn
18:10:48 [Zakim]: -Ashok_Malhotra
18:10:51 [Zakim]: -plinss
18:10:53 [Zakim]: -Yves
18:10:54 [Zakim]: -Larry
18:10:54 [Zakim]: TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
18:10:54 [Zakim]: Attendees were ht, plinss, noah, Ashok_Malhotra, Yves, +1.415.832.aaaa, Larry, Noah_Mendelsohn
18:10:57 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/18-tagmem-minutes.html Yves