W3C

W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF

16 Apr 2007

Agenda

See also: IRC log, previous 2007-04-11

Attendees

Present
Tom Baker, Fabien Gandon, Shane McCarron, Ben Adida, Simone Onofri, Steven Pemberton, Michael Hausenblas
Regrets
Mark Birbeck, Ralph Swick, Wing Yung
Chair
Ben
Scribe
Steven, Michael

Contents


 

 

<Steven> hi mark

<Simone> Zakim ??P0 is me

<scribe> ScribeNick: mhausenblas

Ben: Any additions to the agenda?

No

1. Action Items

<scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Ben to update issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [DONE]

<scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Michael to update Fabian's XSLT [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]

Fabien has actually done the work !

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to add issue to issues list and start discussion with previous reference and issue reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0001.html to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Elias to look for cases where plain literal is more of a common use. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action24] [DROPPED]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [CONTINUES]

2. Test Cases

<Steven> scribe: Steven

<mhausenblas> TC

mh: This is the test case index
... we are using SPARQL as reference
... tests cover new tests like the one introduced by Fabien
... there are some tests still pending from the primer, mailing lists, etc

:-)

mh: How do we plan to approve them?

Ben: We should all approve all the tests, so we have a record that these are a[pproved test cases
... Have people looked at them all?
... I'd like to approve a few of them
... and slowly catch up

Steven: I've never heard of groups agreeing test cases before.
... Usually problems occur and then issues get discussed

<mhausenblas> GRDDL test

mh: The GRDDL test cases were approved individually

Steven: Schema has O(10000) tests

Fabien: For GRDDL, sets of tests were approved after running through implementations

Shane: The tests are expressed as XHTML 1.1, which is fine, but they are not legal XHTML 1.1

Ben: Good point

mh: Let's do the approval based on the partitioning
... across languages

<mhausenblas> Human readable form TC

Steven: I think Shane was suuggesting using the XHTML+RDFa DTD
... and make sure the files are valid

<ShaneM> Yes, and in the context of HTML 4 perhaps use the sample HTML 4 DTD I put together

mh: We are working on the partitioning, so let's wait till next week

Ben: Go ahead with the partitioning, then freeze them, and email the current implementors
... (me, Fabien, Elias), and then let them test, and send any problems
... and use that as basis for the approval

<benadida> ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

(Above URL doesn't work in all browsers apparently)

3. Schedule

<scribe> Scribe: Michael

<scribe> scribenick: mhausenblas

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule Schedule

Ben: Moving to west cost
... will update the TF about new meeting scheduling (poll)

<Steven> Steven: regrets for the 30th April

Ben: next week call as usual, week after not here

<Steven> ... Queen's Day (if you know what that means, then you know what that means....)

Ben: We are making progress
... but still behind

<Steven> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule

Ben: We got comments on UC from Fabien
... rec-track: need last call for all documents?

Fabien: In GRDDL, for Primer we made LC

Steven: For normative stuff as Syntax absolutely necessary
... but no rec track for non-normative things

Fabien: In GRDDL we had a vote on the according docs

<benadida> ack +

<Steven> What do we see as the advantage of rec track on a primer??

Michael: Let us go for rec track only with syntax, rest if time allows

<ShaneM> Does the primer have a short name already?

<benadida> ACTION: Ben to discuss Primer and Use Cases as Note, Syntax and Test Cases as REC, at SWD WG meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]

<benadida> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/

Michael: Please add -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/ RDFa Overview

<benadida> ACTION: Ben to discuss RDFa Overview as a note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

Ben: Will discuss these issues with the SWD on tomorrow's call
... happy that Steven is also on Syntax

<FabienG> Pointer to the pubrule checker for the note : http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?uimode=checker_full&uri=

<benadida> ACTION: Ben to hand over rdfa syntax baton to Steven on 4/23 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]

Ben: Present the Syntax doc as a WD to SWD WG
... Approval of first set of TC by next telecon

Michael: Ok

Ben: Michael, push the TC!
... Schedule Primer and UC on May 28

<ShaneM> I can review Primer and Use Cases.

Ben: I'm currently updating the Wiki to reflect the new assignments

<benadida> ACTION: Ben to flesh out the schedule and present for everyone's approval next week. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]

<benadida> ACTION: Ben to email list about next week's vote on a resolution regarding CLASS and ROLE attributes and rdf:type. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action18]

Michael: Please note that -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/3 role/class issue has been updated

4. SRC attribute discussion

<scribe> postponed

5. MIME type for XHTML1.1+RDFa and resulting IE issues

Shane: XHTML+XML is the media type, but this does not deliver correctly
... no resolution, yet
... I'm ope to ideas

Ben: So, it wouldn't validate?

Shane: No, does not effect validation
... but has effect on prefix declaration

Ben: So, the validator does not accept the xmlns prefixes

Steven: Depends on SGML or XML
... XML should accept it
... so the validator should not complain
... currently: SGML/DTD validation

Shane: There is no XHTML 1.1 XSD, but an XML-DTD

-> http://www.w3.org/QA/2007/04/validator_080_upgrade_notes.html Validator upgrade notes

Steven: The update is in the pipeline
... XHTML M12N comes out, then schema follows

<benadida> ACTION: Ben to ask W3C about XML-DTD validation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action19]

Steven: Two issues, validator and processors (user agents)

<ShaneM> The Media Type is an announcement mechanism that tells a user agent what processing engine to use, in theory.

<ShaneM> XHTML 1.1 mandates the use of application/xhtml+xml - which IE does not grok

Ben: We have to sort out things and figure out the problems

Steven: There are some tricks to convince IE to do it right

Ben: Should we actually recommend a specific way?

<ShaneM> the media type associated with documents annotated with RDFa should be the media type of the host language.

+1

<benadida> RESOLUTION: the media type associated with documents annotated with RDFa should be the media type of the host language.

<benadida> to be voted on next week

<benadida> ACTION: Ben to email the resolution on mime type to the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action20]

Ben: Any AOB?
... beside @src
... will be done next week

<Simone> bye!

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to ask W3C about XML-DTD validation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action19]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to discuss Primer and Use Cases as Note, Syntax and Test Cases as REC, at SWD WG meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to discuss RDFa Overview as a note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to email list about next week's vote on a resolution regarding CLASS and ROLE attributes and rdf:type. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action18]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to email the resolution on mime type to the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action20]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to flesh out the schedule and present for everyone's approval next week. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to hand over rdfa syntax baton to Steven on 4/23 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0001.html to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]
[PENDING] ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
 
[DROPPED] ACTION: Elias to look for cases where plain literal is more of a common use. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action24]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Ben to add issue to issues list and start discussion with previous reference and issue reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
[DONE] ACTION: Ben to update issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
[DONE] ACTION: Michael to update Fabian's XSLT [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
 
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