W3C

Technical Architecture Group Teleconference

18 Oct 2012

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Attendees

Present
ht, plinss, noah, Ashok_Malhotra, Yves, Larry, Noah_Mendelsohn
Regrets
Chair
Noah
Scribe
Yves

Contents


approval of minutes

no weekly minutes needs approval

minutes of f2f not entirely received yet

...postponed until next week

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739

Administrative item

<ht> HST happy with Election Procedures email

<noah> ACTION-744?

<trackbot> ACTION-744 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send a message to the AB to ask them to review the election procedures for the TAG -- due 2012-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744

<noah> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0027.html

<noah> ab@w3.org?

RESOLUTION: send the E-mail on TAG election procedures email to the AB <ab@w3.org>

<noah> HT: ab list is member-only...follow their precedent

(discussions about Cc:ing www-tag, result is no)

<noah> Permission to close 744 once sent? No objection.

Noah: the f2f minutes have the discussion around that issue public anyway

action to be closed

<noah> ACTION-701?

<trackbot> ACTION-701 -- Noah Mendelsohn to follow up with Robin on election reform -- due 2012-08-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/701

<noah> ACTION-721?

<trackbot> ACTION-721 -- Noah Mendelsohn to update product index to target date on publishing & linking -- due 2012-06-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/721

<noah> ACTION-736?

<trackbot> ACTION-736 -- Noah Mendelsohn to prod Henry on ACTION-724 for F2F -- due 2012-09-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/736

<noah> close ACTION-701

<trackbot> ACTION-701 Follow up with Robin on election reform closed

<noah> close ACTION-721

<trackbot> ACTION-721 Update product index to target date on publishing & linking closed

no objections, action closed

<noah> close ACTION-736

<trackbot> ACTION-736 Prod Henry on ACTION-724 for F2F closed

<noah> ACTION-733?

<trackbot> ACTION-733 -- Larry Masinter to prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F -- due 2012-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733

<noah> close ACTION-733?

<noah> ACTION-739?

<trackbot> ACTION-739 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F discussion of XXX handler registration see discussion on 20 Sept. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/739

<noah> close ACTION-739

<trackbot> ACTION-739 Schedule F2F discussion of XXX handler registration see discussion on 20 Sept. closed

<noah> ACTION-740?

<trackbot> ACTION-740 -- Larry Masinter to update the governance frame for Oct F2F discussion -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/740

<noah> close ACTION-740

<trackbot> ACTION-740 Update the governance frame for Oct F2F discussion closed

TPAC

nothing heard from the ab wrt joint meeting

<noah> HT: Suggest nothing further official on AB syncup unless they reach out to us

Larry: I'll bug Steve

<noah> Ian Jacobs: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Oct/0020.html

<noah> From Ian's note:

<noah> Some options:

<noah> * 5 minutes at the AC meeting (Tuesday afternoon or Thursday morning)

<noah> * An breakout session during TPAC plenary. You don't have to use the whole hour if you don't need it.

<noah> * A lightning talk during the plenary session on "new work".

<noah> We can do all of them, or a subset.

ht: we won't do a breakout session
... I'll happy to make sure we don't drop this

<masinter> I'm thinking of a breakout sesssion about precision and error handling

<noah> Larry, do we need to discuss that here.

<masinter> no

<masinter> i'm working on the "list of issues for Jeff" and want to talk about the issues to people at TPAC

Ashok: publishing and linking can be mentionned in item 1 or 3

noah: lightning talk would make sense

<masinter> I'm trying to decide whether I want "last call" of P&L before or after TPAC

<masinter> list of issues for jeff

<masinter> the issues I have are governance, security, http, URI, TAG

Noah: we got this discussed at the f2f, no?

Larry: the list is constructed from memory, I'll check the f2f minutes

Publishing and Linking

Ashok: I added an executive summary

the document was sent on monday, no comments since then

diff is at http://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2Ftag%2Fdoc%2FPublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-2012-08-15.html&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2Ftag%2Fdoc%2FpublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb.html

Larry: we told some people we would ask for feedback, I would like their comment before LC

<masinter> Last call is a general call for review

<masinter> if we have 3-4 specific people we want to ask for review, we could do that before Last Call

<masinter> i could go either way

Noah: the trade-off is that we don't want to LC if we think it's broken. Here there is no downside of going to LC back to WD, so not a big deal either way

<ht> +1 to last call now

Ashok: I'd rather go to LC now and deal with comments

<masinter> i'm fine with Last Call now

Yves: looks fine to go to LC now

<masinter> +1 to last call before TPAC

Ashok: when can it be published?

<masinter> weren't we going to write exit criteria

<Ashok> Yves, if we agree today, we can publish next week

Noah: my inclination here is not to dive in process issue about exit criteria, LC is a good next step to get attention on the document

<noah> . PROPOSAL: We agree to take http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-20121015.html to last call, expecting publication in time for TPAC review. Yves w/rest of TAG to get suitable W3C news announcement.

<masinter> ok, the exit criteria discussion was about fragid, not p&l

<noah> RESOLUTION: We agree to take http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/PublishingAndLinkingOnTheWeb-20121015.html to last call, expecting publication in time for TPAC review. Yves w/rest of TAG to get suitable W3C news announcement.

<noah> Approved without objection.

http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9565

FPWD announcement.

Yves: we can iterate form this announcement, asking explicitly for feedback

<noah> ACTION-747?

<trackbot> ACTION-747 -- Ashok Malhotra to update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft -- due 2012-10-14 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747

<masinter> action-755?

<trackbot> ACTION-755 -- Larry Masinter to with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match -- due 2012-10-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755

<noah> ACTION-755 Due 2012-10-28

<trackbot> ACTION-755 with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match due date now 2012-10-28

<noah> ACTION-747 Due 2012-10-28

<trackbot> ACTION-747 Update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft due date now 2012-10-28

<noah> ACTION-755?

<trackbot> ACTION-755 -- Larry Masinter to with help from Ashok (and TAG), decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking - must be ahead of CR -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/755

<noah> ACTION-747?

<trackbot> ACTION-747 -- Ashok Malhotra to update product page on publishing and linking: dates and link to public draft -- due 2012-10-28 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/747

action items

<noah> ACTION-708?

<trackbot> ACTION-708 -- Henry Thompson to check with Chris Lilley on likely near term progress of RFC 3023bis -- due 2012-09-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/708

<noah> ACTION-564?

<trackbot> ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564

<ht> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lilley-xml-mediatypes/

<ht> Keep 564

<ht> Close 708

<noah> close ACTION-708

<trackbot> ACTION-708 Check with Chris Lilley on likely near term progress of RFC 3023bis closed

<ht> Move date to 1-Dec-2012

<noah> ACTION-564 Due 2012-12-01

<trackbot> ACTION-564 Track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate due date now 2012-12-01

<noah> ACTION-564?

<trackbot> ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate -- due 2012-12-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564

<noah> ACTION-733?

<trackbot> ACTION-733 -- Larry Masinter to prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F -- due 2012-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733

<noah> ACTION-659?

<trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Yves Lafon to track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY -- due 2013-01-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659

<noah> close ACTION-733

<trackbot> ACTION-733 prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F closed

<noah> ACTION-750?

<trackbot> ACTION-750 -- Noah Mendelsohn to contact Ian about TAG participation in TPAC -- see minutes of 8 Oct late afternoon -- due 2012-10-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750

<ht> Fine

<noah> ACTION-750?

<trackbot> ACTION-750 -- Henry Thompson to contact Ian about TAG participation in TPAC -- see minutes of 8 Oct late afternoon -- due 2012-10-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/750

<noah> ACTION-744?

<trackbot> ACTION-744 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send a message to the AB to ask them to review the election procedures for the TAG -- due 2012-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/744

<noah> ACTION-734?

<trackbot> ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734

<noah> ACTION-672?

<trackbot> ACTION-672 -- Jeni Tennison to work with PLH to create W3C-sponsored registry of HTML extensions, and get that referenced from HTML media type registration, per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.html -- due 2012-05-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/672

<noah> ACTION-724?

<trackbot> ACTION-724 -- Henry Thompson to investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724

Yves: I recall we discussed extensions in general, we might keep discussion about CSS vendor prefixes as well

Noah: should we schedule discussion next week?

Peter: I brought the issues about CSS vendor prefix

Noah: the question is.. is it a model for anything else?

Peter: there are discussions in the CSS WG about changing it, nothing concrete so far

Larry: it would be good to know what are the issues

<masinter> i'm still interested in this topic

<noah> ACTION-734?

<trackbot> ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734

Larry: can you brief us about csswg discussions about vendor prefixes?

<noah> ACTION-711?

<trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711

Peter: I have an action to write a document about that

<masinter> i'm ok with dropping 734 and keeping 711 open

<noah> close ACTION-734?

<noah> ACTION-711?

<trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-11-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711

<noah> close ACTION-734

<trackbot> ACTION-734 schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F closed

<noah> ACTION-683?

<trackbot> ACTION-683 -- Yves Lafon to figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG -- due 2012-10-02 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/683

<noah> YL: Started to discuss w/Mike, but he was away. On hold.

<noah> ACTION-683 Due 2012-12-04

<trackbot> ACTION-683 Figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG due date now 2012-12-04

<noah> ACTION-617?

<trackbot> ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617

<noah> ACTION-617 Due 2012-10-23

<trackbot> ACTION-617 Work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track due date now 2012-10-23

<noah> Good Practice

<noah> Specifications that define namespaces SHOULD explicitly state their policy with respect to changes in the names defined in that namespace.

<masinter> seems like it belongs in the XML spec

<noah> ACTION-617?

<trackbot> ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617

ht: this is not the XML-core business, it's a TAG issue, relative to httprange-14

<masinter> should be errata / addendum to namespace rec

<ht> Whoops

noah: how about publishing this document as a note, and send the pointer to that note to xml-core (to be put on there work pile if they think it's ok with them)

<ht> I like Noah's suggestion

Yves: +1

<ht> I have to leave :-(

<masinter> +1

<masinter> add an XML section to http://www.webplatform.org/ :P

<plinss> +1

due to technical issues... ADJOURNED

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