Accessible Platform Architectures (APA) Weekly Teleconference

17 Aug 2022


Fredrik, janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Matthew_Atkinson, mike_beganyi, nadine, Roy
Becky_Gibson, Todd_Libby

Meeting minutes

Agenda Review & Announcements

janina: Adding to the standard agenda is the one-word issue and what we are going to do about the AGWG charter.

CfC on APA Comments on CSS Color Module Level 5 - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Aug/0021.html

Matthew_Atkinson: There is a CFC for CSS Color Module Level 5. We don't have any a11y concerns on the substance of the document, on the presentation however.

Matthew_Atkinson: I have incorporated great feedback, among others from Fazio, into the CFC that has gone out.

Matthew_Atkinson: The CFC runs through midnight 24th August.

Call for TPAC breakouts - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2022/SessionIdeas

Matthew_Atkinson: Should be 23>59 23rd August.

Matthew_Atkinson: The breakout sessions on TPAC are now out. The breakouts are intended for anyone in teh world to join.

<janina> Another example, not an APA activity, is the kickoff event for Accessibility at the Edge:

<janina> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2022/SessionIdeas#Accessibility_at_the_Edge

New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

Roy: The are no new charters!

A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

MichaelC: No new tracker activity!

new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

Secure Payment Confirmation

<MichaelC> - request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/36

<MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Secure_Payment_Confirmation

<MichaelC> - tr: https://www.w3.org/TR/secure-payment-confirmation/

MichaelC: Just the one.

MichaelC: A wide review request for Secure Payment Confirmation.

MichaelC: We have expressed our satisfaction already.

janina: We#ll let that one go.

Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned

MichaelC: WebXR galore.

janina: We keep waiting for Josh to return...

MichaelC: I haven#t prepared any other ones.

WCAG 2.2 Issue https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2305#issuecomment-1209655125

janina: Two solutions: instead of sometimes we could say "many" or say nothing at all by way of saying "Websites might...".

janina: I think we may need a CFC on this.

janina: What Alisdair proposed in the last comment on that Github thread seems to me workable.

Lionel_Wolberger: Just for context. This word is on the section of partial conformance which as anyone who works in a11y knows, it is nearly impossible to reach full conformance.

Lionel_Wolberger: "Sometimes, webpages are created..."

<Lionel_Wolberger> The opening sentence is: Sometimes, Web pages are created that will later have additional content added to them.

Lionel_Wolberger: I just wanted to give a little context. The proposals that hae been made.

<Lionel_Wolberger> Web pages are created that will later have additional content added to them.

<Lionel_Wolberger> Many Web pages are created that will later have additional content added to them.

Lionel_Wolberger: We don't want to see this as fighting a battle. It is a point in the spec where we want to bring it closer to reality.

janina: I think we need to be careful here. We can nudge AGWG toward a more realistic description of what they are trying to address. I would strongly urge us to not do more in this spec.

janina: If we try to address this in WCAG 2.2 we will have a naval crisis on our hands.

janina: Nudging just a fix to this word to be more correctly descriptive, even if some of us don't like the current construct of partical confomrance, this is the one place to act right now.


<Lionel_Wolberger> +1 to removing the word

<janina> +1 to removing it

Fredrik: The easiest solution is just to leave a word out, just saying nothing, since this, although it may sound a little awkward, gives room for the rest of the paragraph to breathe and explain itself.

Matthew_Atkinson: Chair hat off. My concern with "some" is that it wasn't accurate. My concern with "increasingly" is that it wasn't incorret and it doesn't really go along with the ethos of WCAG. I'm perfectly happy with supporting the taking out of the word entirely.

janina: I'm hearing us on this call wanting to drop the adjective here.

janina: Because we are rather low attendance here, we should run a CFC on this, until late next week.

janina: We'll have this logged the first week of September.

janina: Proopsal for word drop coming out.

APA Review of Draft AGWG Charter https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag/charter-2022/charter.html

janina: I think we can take another week looking at the AGWG charter.

Matthew_Atkinson: This is a comment on the way it is presented. I'll take more time to look at it in detail.

Matthew_Atkinson: The 1,5 line spacing on modern W3C documents is far easier to read than this layout. Where should one file such requests?

janina: Put that on a Tuesday agenda. We can certainly raise it on the CC call 24th August.

janina: It's our turn to charter next year. After TPAC we'll start talking about our next charter.

TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022

janina: Lots to report here!

janina: Matthew has updated our wiki profusely.

janina: Have a look at our wiki / we'll move our meetings into chronological order in due course.

janina: We have loads of meetings.

janina: Good news from Spoken Prounciation. They have thought ahead. When they were building Emotional Markup Language. We now have an example for how to markup SSML with Emotional Markup Language.

janina: Things are happening..

Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open

Task Force & Deliverables Updates

subtopic> RQTF

janina: The news here is that as you may have seen on list, we had a successful CFC to publish the Maturity Model to PFWD.

janina: We're working through messaging. It hsould be in the wiki.

janina: This would b ea good support for our Getting Things Done. More patting of own backs.


Lionel_Wolberger: We are planning to get a FPWD of a registry spec before Adapt goes to its 2nd CR.

Lionel_Wolberger: We are going to draw on some resources we haven't drawn on yet. We will make sure we aren't missing any pieces on TPAC.


janina: COGA will look at the CAUR at some point.

Other Business

janina: In your TPAC stuff, there is info on using an app called ArriveCan for speeding you through customs. You will discover that the app and the web interface don't play nice with each other.

janina: To the extent that it does actually help, there is that app available on Android and iOS and the web interface.

janina: Bring paper backup of whatever you have. There willl be daily testing and mask requirements.

be done

janina: We are done!

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 192 (Tue Jun 28 16:55:30 2022 UTC).


Maybe present: MichaelC