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13:48:41 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:49:04 <janina> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures (APA) Weekly Teleconference
13:49:16 <janina> Chair:  Janina
13:49:16 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:49:16 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:49:19 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:49:22 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:49:24 <janina> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:49:27 <janina> agenda+ WCAG 2.2 Issue https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2305#issuecomment-1209655125
13:49:30 <janina> agenda+ APA Review of Draft AGWG Charter https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag/charter-2022/charter.html
13:49:33 <janina> agenda+ TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022
13:49:36 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:49:38 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:49:41 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
13:49:43 <janina> agenda+ be done
13:53:22 <janina>  regrets: Todd_Libby, Becky_Gibson
13:56:48 <janina> Date: 17 Aug 2022
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14:05:01 <Fredrik> scribe: Fredrik
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14:05:13 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:05:13 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:05:14 <nadine> present+
14:05:21 <janina> present+
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14:06:13 <Fredrik> janina: Adding to the standard agenda is the one-word issue and what we are going to do about the AGWG charter.
14:06:31 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: CfC on APA Comments on CSS Color Module Level 5 - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Aug/0021.html
14:07:03 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: There is a CFC for CSS Color Module Level 5. We don't have any a11y concerns on the substance of the document, on the presentation however.
14:07:38 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: I have incorporated great feedback, among others from Fazio, into the CFC that has gone out.
14:08:25 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: The CFC runs through midnight 24th August.
14:08:35 <Roy> present+
14:09:04 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Call for TPAC breakouts - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2022/SessionIdeas
14:09:09 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: Should be 23>59 23rd August.
14:09:37 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: The breakout sessions on TPAC are now out. The breakouts are intended for anyone in teh world to join.
14:10:11 <janina> Another example, not an APA activity, is the kickoff event for Accessibility at the Edge:
14:10:14 <janina> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2022/SessionIdeas#Accessibility_at_the_Edge
14:11:20 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:11:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
14:11:32 <Fredrik> Roy: The are no new charters!
14:11:34 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:11:34 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:11:35 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:11:35 <Zakim> 3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from janina]
14:11:38 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:11:38 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
14:11:59 <Fredrik> MichaelC: No new tracker activity!
14:12:06 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:12:06 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:12:07 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:12:07 <Zakim> 4. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
14:12:11 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:12:11 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
14:12:16 <MichaelC> subtopic: Secure Payment Confirmation
14:12:16 <MichaelC> - request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/36
14:12:16 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Secure_Payment_Confirmation
14:12:16 <MichaelC> - tr: https://www.w3.org/TR/secure-payment-confirmation/
14:12:18 <Fredrik> MichaelC: Just the one.
14:12:26 <Fredrik> MichaelC: A wide review request for Secure Payment Confirmation.
14:12:38 <Fredrik> MichaelC: We have expressed our satisfaction already.
14:13:29 <Fredrik> janina: We#ll let that one go.
14:13:35 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:13:35 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:13:36 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:13:36 <Zakim> 5. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from janina]
14:13:38 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:13:38 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina]
14:14:06 <Fredrik> MichaelC: WebXR galore.
14:14:18 <Fredrik> janina: We keep waiting for Josh to return...
14:14:28 <Fredrik> MichaelC: I haven#t prepared any other ones.
14:15:45 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:15:45 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
14:15:46 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:15:46 <Zakim> 6. WCAG 2.2 Issue https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2305#issuecomment-1209655125 [from janina]
14:15:51 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:15:51 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- WCAG 2.2 Issue https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2305#issuecomment-1209655125 -- taken up [from janina]
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14:16:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:16:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:17:05 <Fredrik> janina: Two solutions: instead of sometimes we could say "many" or say nothing at all by way of saying "Websites might...".
14:17:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:17:33 <Fredrik> janina: I think we may need a CFC on this.
14:17:53 <Fredrik> janina: What Alisdair proposed in the last comment on that Github thread seems to me workable.
14:17:54 <janina> q?
14:18:00 <janina> ack li
14:18:32 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: Just for context. This word is on the section of partial conformance which as anyone who works in a11y knows, it is nearly impossible to reach full conformance.
14:18:45 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: "Sometimes, webpages are created..."
14:18:55 <janina> q?
14:19:24 <janina> q?
14:19:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> The opening sentence is: Sometimes, Web pages are created that will later have additional content added to them.
14:19:33 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: I just wanted to give a little context. The proposals that hae been made.
14:19:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> Web pages are created that will later have additional content added to them.
14:20:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> Many Web pages are created that will later have additional content added to them.
14:20:44 <janina> q?
14:20:54 <janina> q+
14:21:10 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: We don't want to see this as fighting a battle. It is a point in the spec where we want to bring it closer to reality.
14:21:11 <janina> ack ja
14:21:44 <Fredrik> janina: I think we need to be careful here. We can nudge AGWG toward a more realistic description of what they are trying to address. I would strongly urge us to not do more in this spec.
14:22:08 <Fredrik> janina: If we try to address this in WCAG 2.2 we will have a naval crisis on our hands.
14:22:48 <Fredrik> janina: Nudging just a fix to this word to be more correctly descriptive, even if some of us don't like the current construct of partical confomrance, this is the one place to act right now.
14:23:30 <Fredrik> q]
14:23:41 <janina> q?
14:23:43 <Fredrik> q+
14:23:49 <janina> ack fr
14:24:25 <janina> q?
14:24:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1 to removing the word
14:24:53 <janina> +1 to removing it
14:25:18 <Fredrik> q-
14:25:27 <janina> q?
14:25:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:25:42 <janina> ack ma
14:26:17 <Fredrik> Fredrik: The easiest solution is just to leave a word out, just saying nothing, since this, although it may sound a little awkward, gives room for the rest of the paragraph to breathe and explain itself.
14:27:17 <janina> q?
14:27:19 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: Chair hat off. My concern with "some" is that it wasn't accurate. My concern with "increasingly" is that it wasn't incorret and it doesn't really go along with the ethos of WCAG. I'm perfectly happy with supporting the taking out of the word entirely.
14:27:41 <Fredrik> janina: I'm hearing us on this call wanting to drop the adjective here.
14:27:55 <Fredrik> janina: Because we are rather low attendance here, we should run a CFC on this, until late next week.
14:28:35 <Fredrik> janina: We'll have this logged the first week of September.
14:30:11 <Fredrik> janina: Proopsal for word drop coming out.
14:30:20 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:30:20 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- APA Review of Draft AGWG Charter https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag/charter-2022/charter.html -- taken up [from janina]
14:30:44 <Fredrik> janina: I think we can take another week looking at the AGWG charter.
14:30:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:31:00 <janina> q?
14:31:05 <janina> ack ma
14:31:24 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: This is a comment on the way it is presented. I'll take more time to look at it in detail.
14:31:59 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: The 1,5 line spacing on modern W3C documents is far easier to read than this layout. Where should one file such requests?
14:32:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack me
14:32:21 <Fredrik> janina: Put that on a Tuesday agenda. We can certainly raise it on the CC call 24th August.
14:32:51 <Fredrik> janina: It's our turn to charter next year. After TPAC we'll start talking about our next charter.
14:33:22 <janina> q?
14:33:37 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:33:37 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 -- taken up [from janina]
14:33:47 <Fredrik> janina: Lots to report here!
14:35:04 <Fredrik> janina: Matthew has updated our wiki profusely.
14:35:28 <Fredrik> janina: Have a look at our wiki / we'll move our meetings into chronological order in due course.
14:36:51 <Fredrik> janina: We have loads of meetings.
14:37:23 <Fredrik> janina: Good news from Spoken Prounciation. They have thought ahead. When they were building Emotional Markup Language. We now have an example for how to markup SSML with Emotional Markup Language.
14:37:41 <Fredrik> janina: Things are happening..
14:38:02 <janina> q?
14:39:07 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:39:07 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
14:40:24 <janina> q?
14:40:36 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:40:36 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
14:40:37 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:40:37 <Zakim> 10. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from janina]
14:40:40 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:40:40 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
14:40:58 <Fredrik> subtopic> RQTF
14:41:20 <Fredrik> janina: The news here is that as you may have seen on list, we had a successful CFC to publish the Maturity Model to PFWD.
14:41:31 <Fredrik> janina: We're working through messaging. It hsould be in the wiki.
14:42:29 <Fredrik> janina: This would b ea  good support for our Getting Things Done. More patting of own backs.
14:43:50 <Fredrik> subtopic: Adapt
14:44:11 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: We are planning to get a FPWD of a registry spec before Adapt goes to its 2nd CR.
14:44:36 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: We are going to draw on some resources we haven't drawn on yet. We will make sure we aren't missing any pieces on TPAC.
14:48:17 <Fredrik> subtopic: COGA
14:48:28 <Fredrik> janina: COGA will look at the CAUR at some point.
14:48:38 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:48:38 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]
14:49:39 <Fredrik> janina: In your TPAC stuff, there is info on using an app called ArriveCan for speeding you through customs. You will discover that the app and the web interface don't play nice with each other.
14:50:29 <Fredrik> janina: To the extent that it does actually help, there is that app available on Android and iOS and the web interface.
14:50:50 <Fredrik> janina: Bring paper backup of whatever you have. There willl be daily testing and mask requirements.
14:51:04 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:51:04 <Zakim> agendum 11 closed
14:51:05 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:51:05 <Zakim> 12. be done [from janina]
14:51:07 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:51:07 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- be done -- taken up [from janina]
14:51:11 <janina> q?
14:51:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:51:32 <Fredrik> janina: We are done!
14:51:34 <Fredrik> rrsagent, make minutes
14:51:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/17-apa-minutes.html Fredrik
14:52:33 <Fredrik> zakim, bye
14:52:33 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, janina, Gottfried, Roy, niklasegger, Fredrik, Lionel_Wolberger, Alisa_Smith, Matthew_Atkinson, nadine, becky, mike_beganyi
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14:52:35 <Fredrik> rrsagent, bye
14:52:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items