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<Brent> Face to Face Agenda Draft: https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_F2F_November_2016#Agenda
Brent: Wanted everyone to see it
and provide input. Anyone with addiitonal ideas for what we
work on durign that time.
... Monday is allocated specific times for items, Tuesday is
less closely scheduled. Underneath that is the list of
attendees and for those who want to attend by phone, we can
arrange and schedule accordingly.
... It would be useful for people to put times in the wiki for
when you would be available to attend by phone.
... we did that at AccessU face to face and it worked quite
well, so please provide that information.
<Susan_> F2F agenda looks good to me
Brent: any comment on the agenda for the face to face?
Susan: I am glad to see mobile on the list of things to work on and will think more carefully about other items as I wake up :)
<Susan_> 100% Sharron re: time
<Brent> Sharron: EOWG Self Evaluation agenda item. Since we made changes to the way we work earlier this spring, we want to revisit and get feedback from the group on what works well, what we can improve.
<Brent> Sharron: Chairs want feedback on leadership and direction from the group.
Shadi: Last two days in
Baltimore, there were so many references to the work of EO,
EasyChecks in a presentation; reference to Tutorials, reference
to QuickRef to governemtn and consulting organziations.
... wanted to share that info as we think about
self-evaluation.
<shadi> +1 to self-evaluation
Susan: I think the self-evaluation will be good. I remember the enthusiasm around the idea of RM and think it is a good time to get feedback and adjust expectations. I know I overestimated my time to dedicate.
Brent: It sounds like people are
mostly in favor of doing this and tweek our processes and
re-set expectations.
... remember that it is all of our WG and we set our
agenda.
Shadi: The first agenda item at the F2F is the Tutorials, can we determine which ones we will work on at the Face to Face?
Brent: OK, or we can wait until
today's agenda item focused on Tutorials. Any other comments or
questions about the agenda?
... There is likely to be a face to face meeting at CSUN, also
one in May at AccessU as well as TPAC
<yatil> +1 to self eval
Brent: We have many people wanting to join by phone, any way to help us do that?
Howard: Should not be a problem. Wireless is a given so you could use a WebEx.
Sharron: If you can facilitate the use of a confeerence phone, that would be great...thanks!
Shadi: Brent found a bug, thanks for that. Other comments were mostly positive, even those who had no time for this final review, have reveiwed previous versions and said OK to it.
RESOLUTION: The Planning and Managing Suite of three documents is approved for publication.
<yatil> +1 to the upcoming resolution
<Brent> +1
<dboudreau> +1
Sharron: +1
<Howard> +1
<Susan_> +1
<Caleb> +1
<Laura> +1
<James> +1
<rjolly> +1
<shadi> +1
Brent: Thanks Shadi for that good work, so nice to have those resources published with much improvement. Congratualtins!
<yatil> [Rounds of applause!]
<shadi> https://www.w3.org/2016/10/28-eo-minutes.html#item04
Shadi: Thanks to all for the great collaborations
Subtopic: Tutorials
<kakinney> +1
Eric: We want to ask everyone to
take a look at Tutorials structure. We want to work on the Page
Structure and Menus Tutorials as well as the more advanced
Carousels. I have put the many comments into a format that we
can look at to see what people think about basic structure and
overall cohesiveness of the tutorials.
... published on GitHub a draftt hat incorportes the comments I
have received as well as open issues and notes.
... in the Weekly survey I will ask the groups to skim the
resource and provide feedback. At the face to face, look at
structure for future tutorials and get the three into shape to
publish by end of the year.
Shadi: We have been listening to
public comment. Many think it is too wordy. Some of that is
reflected in our need to serve botht he audience of people who
are entirely new, need justification for what they are doing
and those who understand the need and have some experince but
just want to be reminded how to do something.
... Eric's work on the Carousels has been great in terms of
streamlining, refining the content to be sharp and focused. We
can consider if we want to use that approach for the other
two.
Eric: Thank you Susan and others for your good feedback. Based on that have made updates to be direct, stop running circles around the topic. That aproach has paid off for the Tutorials and want to try that approcah on the others.
Brent: A lot of thought has gone into these and we appreciate it. Any questions about any of this?
Shadi: Is it OK then to focus on Carousels and Page Structure for the Face to Face?
Brent: Yes, that sounds
good.
... As we make the considerations more focussed for the group,
that is very helpful.
Subtopic: POlicies
Brent: MaryJo is unable to attend today and so we will skip that. MJ has the work in progress and will report soon.
Subtopic: EasyChecks
Brent: There were two questions - Caleb?
Caleb: We resolved a lot of issues, published the revisions in the pull request. What remains is the question of whether it should be one question or two?
<Brent> Easy Checks Issue #27: https://github.com/w3c/EasyChecks/issues/27
I wanted to ask Susan because her comments were a bit contradictory.
Susan: At first I thought it should be separate but the way it is worded seems great
Eric: I feel like they should be separate but am OK with combining them.
<yatil> [leans towards separated, but ok with combined]
<Howard> Combining makes sense to me
Sharron: I feel the same, Eric.
<rjolly> Combined with the flexibility to separate them in the future makes sense to me
<dboudreau> +1 to combining, at least for the time being
<Susan_> +1
<yatil> +1
<Laura> +1
<shadi> +1
<James> +1
RESOLUTION: The Easy Checks will be published (no longer a draft) with the addition of the Moving, Flashing or Blinking check as one check.
<rjolly> +1
<Brent> +1
<Howard> +1
<Caleb> +1
Sharron: +1
<kakinney> +1
Shadi: Great work, Caleb
Caleb: Shawn was fantastic and did so much to move it along.
Brent: Ready to publish then?
Caleb: We have some work to do on illustrations and then will be ready to go.
Subtopic: Other reports?
Brent: Anyone else want to report on other resources?
<rjolly> lol @sharron!
Brent: Reminder that we will not
meet on Friday the 11th.
... however, we will meet on Friday the 18th since we skip the
week of Thanksgiving.
... there is an important question about the Tutorials so
please do pay attention to the survey in preparation for the
face to face.
... ON the top of the work for this week you will have
questions that mirror the survey questions and have been adding
more detail in the description as a source of guidance for
those who have expressed interest in being Invited Experts or
otherwise joining EO
<rjolly> +1 for getting some tasks assigned to me
Sharron: Don't forget to be working on your own resources.
Brent: And let us know if you want collaborators.
<Brent> Resource Tool : http://w3c.github.io/wai-resources/
<rjolly> wonderful. thank you for the gentle guidance everyone
<Susan_> if anyone is interested in working on mobile with me, ping me
Sharron: I can help, Susan.
Brent: If anyone else needs help,
please speak up and we will get you the support you need.
... any other business for today?
Howard: If anyone coming to the Face to Face is also coming to the conference, please be sure to register.
Brent: OK thanks everyone for your hard work, look at the survey, work for this week and have a great weekend.
<dboudreau> thans and bye everyone!
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