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12:32:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference
12:32:55 <trackbot> Date: 04 November 2016
12:33:25 <Laura> present+ Laura
12:33:27 <Sharron> Chair: Brent
12:33:31 <Sharron> Scribe: Sharron
12:33:35 <Brent> Present+ Brent
12:33:51 <Susan_> Present+ Susan
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12:33:58 <yatil> present+ Eric, Shadi, Caleb, Sharron
12:33:59 <shadi> present+
12:34:20 <yatil> regrets: Shawn
12:36:00 <Sharron> Regrets: Shawn, Andrew, Sylivie, Kaz, Kris Anne, Adina
12:36:23 <Sharron> Topic: Draft Agenda for Nov 14 face to face meeting
12:36:33 <Brent> Face to Face Agenda Draft: https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_F2F_November_2016#Agenda
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12:37:22 <Sharron> Brent: Wanted everyone to see it and provide input. Anyone with addiitonal ideas for what we work on durign that time.
12:39:08 <Sharron> ...Monday is allocated specific times for items, Tuesday is less closely scheduled. Underneath that is the list of attendees and for those who want to attend by phone, we can arrange and schedule accordingly.
12:39:58 <Sharron> ...It would be useful for people to put times in the wiki for when you would be available to attend by phone.
12:40:25 <Sharron> ...we did that at AccessU face to face and it worked quite well, so please provide that information.
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12:43:43 <Susan_> F2F agenda looks good to me
12:47:00 <Sharron> Brent: any comment on the agenda for the face to face?
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12:48:49 <Sharron> Susan: I am glad to see mobile on the list of things to work on and will think more carefully about other items as I wake up :)
12:49:01 <yatil> present+ Kris_Anne
12:49:11 <yatil> present+ Robert
12:49:19 <dboudreau> present+ dboudreau
12:49:24 <Sharron> regrets- Kris_Anne
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12:51:51 <Susan_> 100% Sharron re: time
12:53:49 <Brent> Sharron: EOWG Self Evaluation agenda item. Since we made changes to the way we work earlier this spring, we want to revisit and get feedback from the group on what works well, what we can improve.
12:53:58 <shadi> q+
12:54:22 <Brent> Sharron: Chairs want feedback on leadership and direction from the group.
12:55:03 <Susan_> q+
12:55:08 <Sharron> Shadi: Last two days in Baltimore, there were so many references to the work of EO, EasyChecks in a presentation; reference to Tutorials, reference to QuickRef to governemtn and consulting organziations.
12:55:12 <shadi> ack me
12:55:21 <Sharron> ...wanted to share that info as we think about self-evaluation.
12:55:29 <Brent> ack Susan_
12:55:36 <shadi> +1 to self-evaluation
12:56:29 <Sharron> Susan: I think the self-evaluation will be good. I remember the enthusiasm around the idea of RM and think it is a good time to get feedback and adjust expectations. I know I overestimated my time to dedicate.
12:57:20 <Sharron> Brent: It sounds like people are mostly in favor of doing this and tweek our processes and re-set expectations.
12:57:48 <shadi> q+
12:57:59 <Brent> ack Shadi
12:58:01 <Sharron> ...remember that it is all of our WG and we set our agenda.
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12:58:43 <Sharron> Shadi: The first agenda item at the F2F is the Tutorials, can we determine which ones we will work on at the Face to Face?
12:58:56 <Howard> present+ Howard
12:59:19 <Sharron> Brent: OK, or we can wait until today's agenda item focused on Tutorials. Any other comments or questions about the agenda?
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13:00:22 <yatil> zakim, who is here?
13:00:22 <Zakim> Present: Laura, Brent, Susan, Eric, Shadi, Caleb, Sharron, Kris_Anne, Robert, dboudreau, Howard
13:00:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see dboudreau, Howard, rjolly, kakinney, Caleb, Zakim, RRSAgent, Laura, Susan_, Sharron, Brent, shadi, yatil, trackbot
13:00:37 <Sharron> Brent: There is likely to be a face to face meeting at CSUN, also one in May at AccessU as well as TPAC
13:01:04 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:01:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/04-eo-minutes.html yatil
13:02:13 <yatil> +1 to self eval
13:02:26 <Sharron> Brent: We have many people wanting to join by phone, any way to help us do that?
13:03:02 <Sharron> Howard: Should not be a problem. Wireless is a given so you could use a WebEx.
13:03:12 <yatil> present+ James
13:03:35 <Sharron> Sharron: If you can facilitate the use of a confeerence phone, that would be great...thanks!
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13:03:50 <Sharron> Topic: Planning and Managing Resource
13:05:41 <Sharron> Shadi: Brent found a bug, thanks for that. Other comments were mostly positive, even those who had no time for this final review, have reveiwed previous versions and said OK to it.
13:06:44 <Sharron> RESOLUTION: The Planning and Managing Suite of three documents is approved for publication.
13:06:50 <yatil> +1 to the upcoming resolution
13:06:50 <Brent> +1
13:06:51 <dboudreau> +1
13:06:52 <Sharron> Sharron: +1
13:06:52 <Howard> +1
13:06:53 <Susan_> +1
13:06:54 <Caleb> +1
13:07:00 <Laura> +1
13:07:02 <James> +1
13:07:02 <rjolly> +1
13:07:14 <shadi> +1
13:07:30 <Sharron> Brent: Thanks Shadi for that good work, so nice to have those resources published with much improvement. Congratualtins!
13:07:34 <yatil> [Rounds of applause!]
13:07:40 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/2016/10/28-eo-minutes.html#item04
13:07:49 <Sharron> Shadi: Thanks to all for the great collaborations
13:08:03 <Sharron> Topic: Weekly resource report
13:08:21 <Sharron> Subtopic: Tutorials
13:10:05 <kakinney> +1
13:10:59 <Sharron> Eric: We want to ask everyone to take a look at Tutorials structure. We want to work on the Page Structure and Menus Tutorials as well as the more advanced Carousels. I have put the many comments into a format that we can look at to see what people think about basic structure and overall cohesiveness of the tutorials.
13:11:29 <Sharron> ...published on GitHub a draftt hat incorportes the comments I have received as well as open issues and notes.
13:12:16 <shadi> q+
13:12:31 <Brent> ack Shadi
13:12:34 <Sharron> ...in the Weekly survey I will ask the groups to skim the resource and provide feedback. At the face to face, look at structure for future tutorials and get the three into shape to publish by end of the year.
13:13:54 <Sharron> Shadi: We have been listening to public comment. Many think it is too wordy. Some of that is reflected in our need to serve botht he audience of people who are entirely new, need justification for what they are doing and those who understand the need and have some experince but just want to be reminded how to do something.
13:14:40 <Sharron> ...Eric's work on the Carousels has been great in terms of streamlining, refining the content to be sharp and focused. We can consider if we want to use that approach for the other two.
13:15:39 <Sharron> Eric: Thank you Susan and others for your good feedback. Based on that have made updates to be direct, stop running circles around the topic. That aproach has paid off for the Tutorials and want to try that approcah on the others.
13:16:07 <Sharron> Brent: A lot of thought has gone into these and we appreciate it. Any questions about any of this?
13:16:56 <Sharron> Shadi: Is it OK then to focus on Carousels and Page Structure for the Face to Face?
13:17:07 <Sharron> Brent: Yes, that sounds good.
13:17:37 <Sharron> Brent: As we make the considerations more focussed for the group, that is very helpful.
13:18:04 <Sharron> Subtopic: POlicies
13:18:42 <Sharron> Brent: MaryJo is unable to attend today and so we will skip that. MJ has the work in progress and will report soon.
13:18:51 <Sharron> Subtopic: EasyChecks
13:19:10 <Sharron> Brent: There were two questions - Caleb?
13:20:21 <Sharron> Caleb: We resolved a lot of issues, published the revisions in the pull request. What remains is the question of whether it should be one question or two?
13:20:29 <Brent> Easy Checks Issue #27: https://github.com/w3c/EasyChecks/issues/27
13:20:56 <Sharron> I wanted to ask Susan because her comments were a bit contradictory.
13:21:35 <Sharron> Susan: At first I thought it should be separate but the way it is worded seems great
13:22:02 <Sharron> Eric: I feel like they should be separate but am OK with combining them.
13:22:04 <yatil> [leans towards separated, but ok with combined]
13:22:10 <Howard> Combining makes sense to me
13:22:13 <Sharron> Sharron: I feel the same, Eric.
13:22:29 <rjolly> Combined with the flexibility to separate them in the future makes sense to me
13:22:51 <dboudreau> +1 to combining, at least for the time being
13:23:21 <Susan_> +1
13:23:32 <yatil> +1
13:23:36 <Laura> +1
13:23:47 <shadi> +1
13:23:47 <James> +1
13:23:55 <Sharron> RESOLUTION: The Easy Checks will be published (no longer a draft) with the addition of the Moving, Flashing or Blinking check as one check.
13:23:58 <rjolly> +1
13:24:00 <Brent> +1
13:24:05 <Howard> +1
13:24:05 <Caleb> +1
13:24:08 <Sharron> Sharron: +1
13:24:15 <kakinney> +1
13:24:24 <Sharron> Shadi: Great work, Caleb
13:24:49 <Sharron> Caleb: Shawn was fantastic and did so much to move it along.
13:25:07 <Sharron> Brent: Ready to publish then?
13:25:42 <Sharron> Caleb: We have some work to do on illustrations and then will be ready to go.
13:28:51 <Sharron> Subtopic: Other reports?
13:29:07 <Sharron> Brent: Anyone else want to report on other resources?
13:30:29 <Sharron> Topic: Work for next week
13:30:31 <rjolly> lol @sharron!
13:31:01 <Sharron> Brent: Reminder that we will not meet on Friday the 11th.
13:31:23 <Sharron> ...however, we will meet on Friday the 18th since we skip the week of Thanksgiving.
13:33:10 <Sharron> Brent: there is an important question about the Tutorials so please do pay attention to the survey in preparation for the face to face.
13:33:14 <Sharron> q+
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13:34:25 <Sharron> Brent: ON the top of the work for this week you will have questions that mirror the survey questions and have been adding more detail in the description as a source of guidance for those who have expressed interest in being Invited Experts or otherwise joining EO
13:36:02 <Brent> ack Sharron
13:36:58 <rjolly> +1 for getting some tasks assigned to me
13:38:16 <Sharron> Sharron: Don't forget to be working on your own resources.
13:38:32 <Sharron> Brent: And let us know if you want collaborators.
13:39:48 <Brent> Resource Tool : http://w3c.github.io/wai-resources/
13:40:26 <rjolly> wonderful. thank you for the gentle guidance everyone
13:40:54 <Susan_> if anyone is interested in working on mobile with me, ping me
13:43:06 <Sharron> Sharron: I can help, Susan.
13:43:27 <Sharron> Brent: If anyone else needs help, please speak up and we will get you the support you need.
13:43:37 <Sharron> ...any other business for today?
13:43:45 <Howard> q+
13:43:56 <Brent> ack Howard
13:44:38 <Sharron> Howard: If anyone coming to the Face to Face is also coming to the conference, please be sure to register.
13:45:32 <Sharron> Brent: OK thanks everyone for your hard work, look at the survey, work for this week and have a great weekend.
13:45:37 <dboudreau> thans and bye everyone!
13:45:48 <Sharron> trackbot, end meeting
13:45:48 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:45:48 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Laura, Brent, Susan, Eric, Shadi, Caleb, Sharron, Kris_Anne, Robert, dboudreau, Howard, James
13:45:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:45:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/04-eo-minutes.html trackbot
13:45:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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