Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

29 Sep 2016


See also: IRC log


Addison, Steve, Richard, Lina, Felix, felix, joconner, najib
JcK, Francesco
Addison Phillips
Addison Phillips



Action Items



<trackbot> action-536 -- Richard Ishida to Publish predefined-counter-styles as a wg note -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/536

richard: getting some comments and need to address them first


<trackbot> action-538 -- Addison Phillips to Work with richard and plh to establish procedure for bringing changes to encoding forward -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/538

<scribe> done

close action-538

<trackbot> Closed action-538.

<scribe> ACTION: richard to establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-560 - Establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-10-06].


<trackbot> action-542 -- Richard Ishida to Ask after dpub-pagination status and if they want/ready for a review -- due 2016-07-28 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/542

close action-542

<trackbot> Closed action-542.

richard: aware that's a question and may get around to it eventually; not ready now

close action-549

<trackbot> Closed action-549.



<trackbot> action-551 -- Addison Phillips to Drop current charmod section 4 into the wiki for posterity or future use and then edit to remove -- due 2016-09-15 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/551

addison: created string-search for that

close action-551

<trackbot> Closed action-551.


<trackbot> action-552 -- Addison Phillips to Write to json-ld about potential for a serialization form for natural language strings to address issues with dir and lang -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/552

addison: read json-ld, will have a draft next week


<trackbot> action-554 -- Addison Phillips to Work to schedule a review of microformats -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/554


<trackbot> action-556 -- Elika Etemad to Convert her text justification to respec -- due 2016-09-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/556

richard: did that for her

close action-556

<trackbot> Closed action-556.

close action-557

<trackbot> Closed action-557.


<trackbot> action-558 -- Richard Ishida to Do due diligence on converting layout tfs to cgs -- due 2016-09-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/558

richard: did some of that, need to chat with Wendy
... will talk about later
... on it

close action-559

<trackbot> Closed action-559.

Info Share

welcoming new members

Lina: excited to be here
... based in Israel, work in IBM on bidi stuff
... contribute to ICU

JohnOC: work at Intuit
... some experience with primarily the Java platform
... since then have worked in I18N
... creating a localization platfrom

Radar and Active Work Review


richard: one more just came through from amy
... activitypub just moved to w3c domain
... ttml, should have a list of new stuff
... watch ruby stuff
... including non-css/non-jlreq items

steve: justification?

richard: captioning on tvs and film

steve: need to keep css and ttml in sync?

addison: yeah

richard: svg2 needs love


addison: some traffic on mongolian and nnbsp; want to do something diff

richard: participating in wg2
... he and the other mongolian experts
... edx: now a css course released, need to look at it
... check for i18n issues

unicode conference coming soon!

richard: who's going?

addison, richard...

Issue Triage



<fsasaki> sorry, have to go - cheers


steve: first clarify and then guide?

addison: basically yes, can't tell if iri or uri or what


lina: nice to have the direction, as2 has the same problem



both accepted

richard: typo in the github in this spec?
... new version of webauthn yesterday

FindText API and Web Platform Charter

addison: do we care that this is falling on the floor?

What happened at TPAC?

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/22-i18n-minutes.html

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/23-i18n-minutes.html

richard: will have minutes soon, here's the minutes
... outcome of encoding with anne
... problem has been that we don't update our snapshot regularly
... not close to his version
... so we decided to publish quite regularly
... if only editorial changes can publsih straightaway
... if substantive then 'call for exclusion' takes two months
... can do immediately but then have to wait 2 months until next one

addison: also got permission to point to whatwg's copy of tables

richard: easier to keep up to date, not a substantive change any more
... following up with implementers
... dean jackson from safari
... spoke to travis from msft
... moz has henri sivonen
... should solve all the problems (hopefully)
... jungshik working bugs on chrome
... movement of impls!
... wednesday had meetings about horizontal reviews
... reorg underway
... ralph swick has responsibility to see that horizontal reviews get done

addison: a11y, tag

najib: did you talk about arabic layout?

richard: no, other than in passing
... reported making progress, started on justification
... not much more detail
... did have a session on chinese layout TF
... in minutes
... also a discussion about whether to move TFs to Community Groups (CGs)
... sounded good, but details may or may not be as compatible as we thought
... still investigating
... CGs make make easy to join
... but it's not that simple
... and some organizational principles
... own agreements
... not same as Invited Expert
... doc in CG and handed over when final
... not how we've done things
... WG continues working, RI allowed to work... but more anon as we study it

Lina: hebrew TF?
... proposed a couple months ago
... prepared charter draft
... what is next step?
... share with richard, addison and martin?

richard: yes. thanks for bringing up
... send charter and can do next steps

najib: some shared maybe?

richard: discussion with fantasai
... who is in i18n WG, but mostly does CSS
... does the i18n for css
... she put a document about justificiation together
... links to other docs
... subset of ours

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/

richard: that link will be useful to Lina
... known info about layout for non-Latin scripts
... fantasai was worried just on github
... summary is that created a doc already but need to post
... which will be at above address
... to have TR equiv (so w3c)
... contain elika's stuff in slightly diff form
... she may provide other brief summaries
... working on it!
... will try to keep page as it looks now for folks setting up LTFs
... and others
... helps structure document for layout docs for example
... don't want links to two places

pull stuff from social into our minutes

richard: tried to review items marked "closed?"

addison: volunteers needed

richard: read minutes for the other things we pulled out

Charmod, Encoding, etc.

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/string-search/

addison: welcome comments on charmod-norm

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/issues


richard: need to do the echidna thing and fix the thing about TR in green box

addison: yep

richard: ethiopic recently published, please look

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/elreq/

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/elreq/

richard: issue list is a bit strange here
... there are like 80 issues used for a survey
... filter those out

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/repostatus/

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: richard to establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

Summary of Resolutions

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