IRC log of i18n on 2016-09-29
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 29 September 2016
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- Regrets: JcK, Francesco
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: addison
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Sep/0020.html
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- agenda+ Agenda
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- agenda+ Action Items
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- agenda+ Info Share
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- agenda+ Radar and Active Work Review
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- agenda+ Issue Triage
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- agenda+ What happened at TPAC?
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- agenda+ FindText API and Web Platform Charter
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- agenda+ Charmod, Encoding, etc.
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- Present+ Addison
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- present+ Steve
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- present+ Richard
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- present+ Lina
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- present+ Felix
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- Lina, did you click on the button to join the call that says something like "Connect to Audio" ?
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- on the left of the window
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- present+ felix
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
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- Lina, we now see two of you on the webex UI, but you don't seem to be on the call
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- I just joined
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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- action-536?
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- action-536 -- Richard Ishida to Publish predefined-counter-styles as a wg note -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/536
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- richard: getting some comments and need to address them first
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- action-538?
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- action-538 -- Addison Phillips to Work with richard and plh to establish procedure for bringing changes to encoding forward -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/538
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- done
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- close action-538
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- Closed action-538.
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- action: richard to establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis
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- Created ACTION-560 - Establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-10-06].
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- action-542?
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- action-542 -- Richard Ishida to Ask after dpub-pagination status and if they want/ready for a review -- due 2016-07-28 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/542
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- close action-542
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- Closed action-542.
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- richard: aware that's a question and may get around to it eventually; not ready now
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- close action-549
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- Closed action-549.
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- actin-551?
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- action-551?
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- action-551 -- Addison Phillips to Drop current charmod section 4 into the wiki for posterity or future use and then edit to remove -- due 2016-09-15 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/551
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- addison: created string-search for that
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- close action-551
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- Closed action-551.
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- action-552?
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- action-552 -- Addison Phillips to Write to json-ld about potential for a serialization form for natural language strings to address issues with dir and lang -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/552
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- addison: read json-ld, will have a draft next week
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- action-554?
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- action-554 -- Addison Phillips to Work to schedule a review of microformats -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/554
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- action-556?
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- action-556 -- Elika Etemad to Convert her text justification to respec -- due 2016-09-30 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/556
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- richard: did that for her
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- close action-556
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- Closed action-556.
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- close action-557
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- Closed action-557.
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- action-558?
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- action-558 -- Richard Ishida to Do due diligence on converting layout tfs to cgs -- due 2016-09-30 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/558
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- richard: did some of that, need to chat with Wendy
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- ... will talk about late
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- s/late/later/
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- ... on it
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- close action-559
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- Closed action-559.
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
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- welcoming new members
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- Lina: excited to be here
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- ... based in Israel, work in IBM on bidi stuff
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- ... contribute to ICU
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- JohnOC: work at Intuit
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- ... some experience with primarily the Java platform
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- ... since then have worked in I18N
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- ... creating a localization platfrom
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 4
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- agendum 4. "Radar and Active Work Review" taken up [from addison]
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- file:///c:/users/addison/documents/github/radar/i18n-activity/radar/index.html
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
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- richard: one more just came through from amy
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- ... activitypub just moved to w3c domain
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- richard: first self-review!
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- richard: ttml, should have a list of new stuff
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- ... watch ruby stuff
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- ... including non-css/non-jlreq items
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- steve: justification?
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- richard: captioning on tvs and film
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- present+ joconner
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- steve: need to keep css and ttml in sync?
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- addison: yeah
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- richard: svg2 needs love
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
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- addison: some traffic on mongolian and nnbsp; want to do something diff
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- richard: participating in wg2
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- ... he and the other mongolian experts
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- richard: edx: now a css course released, need to look at it
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- ... check for i18n issues
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- unicode conference coming soon!
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- richard: who's going?
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- addison, richard...
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- zakim, take up agendum 5
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- agendum 5. "Issue Triage" taken up [from addison]
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/225
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- sorry, have to go - cheers
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/226
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- steve: first clarify and then guide?
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- addison: basically yes, can't tell if iri or uri or what
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/227
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- lina: nice to have the direction, as2 has the same problem
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/208
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/207
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- both accepted
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- richard: typo in the github in this spec?
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- agenda?
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- richard: new version of webauthn yesterday
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- zakim, take up agendum 7
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- agendum 7. "FindText API and Web Platform Charter" taken up [from addison]
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- addison: do we care that this is falling on the floor?
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- zakim, take up agendum 6
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- agendum 6. "What happened at TPAC?" taken up [from addison]
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- https://www.w3.org/2016/09/22-i18n-minutes.html
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- https://www.w3.org/2016/09/23-i18n-minutes.html
- 15:48:44 [addison]
- richard: will have minutes soon, here's the minutes
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- richard: outcome of encoding with anne
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- ... problem has been that we don't update our snapshot regularly
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- ... not close to his version
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- ... so we decided to publish quite regularly
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- ... if only editorial changes can publsih straightaway
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- ... if substantive then 'call for exclusion' takes two months
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- ... can do immediately but then have to wait 2 months until next one
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- addison: also got permission to point to whatwg's copy of tables
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- richard: easier to keep up to date, not a substantive change any more
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- ... following up with implementers
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- ... dean jackson from safari
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- ... spoke to travis from msft
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- ... moz has henri sivonen
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- ... should solve all the problems (hopefully)
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- ... jungshik working bugs on chrome
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- ... movement of impls!
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- richard: wednesday had meetings about horizontal reviews
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- ... reorg underway
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- ... ralph swick has responsibility to see that horizontal reviews get done
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- addison: a11y, tag
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- q+
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- ack na
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- najib: did you talk about arabic layout?
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- richard: no, other than in passing
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- ... reported making progress, started on justification
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- ... not much more detail
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- ... did have a session on chinese layout TF
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- ... in minutes
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- ... also a discussion about whether to move TFs to Community Groups (CGs)
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- ... sounded good, but details may or may not be as compatible as we thought
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- ... still investigating
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- ... CGs make make easy to join
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- ... but it's not that simple
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- ... and some organizational principles
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- ... own agreements
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- ... not same as Invited Expert
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- ... doc in CG and handed over when final
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- ... not how we've done things
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- richard: WG continues working, RI allowed to work... but more anon as we study it
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- Lina: hebrew TF?
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- ... proposed a couple months ago
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- ... prepared charter draft
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- ... what is next step?
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- ... share with richard, addison and martin?
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- richard: yes. thanks for brining up
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- ... send charter and can do next steps
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- s/brining/bringing/
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- najib: some shared maybe?
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- richard: discussion with fantasai
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- ... who is a member, but mostly does CSS
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- ... does the i18n for css
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- ... she put a document about justificiation together
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- ... links to other docs
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- ... subset of ours
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- http://w3c.github.io/typography/
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- richard: that link will be useful to Lina
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- ... known info about layout for non-Latin scripts
- 16:00:13 [addison]
- ... fantasai was worried just on github
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- ... summary is that created a doc already but need to post
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- ... which will be at above address
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- ...to have TR equiv (so w3c)
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- ... contain elika's stuff in slightly diff form
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- ... she may provide other brief summaries
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- ... working on it!
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- agenda?
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- richard: will try to keep page as it looks now for folks setting up LTFs
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- ... and others
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- ... helps structure document for layout docs for example
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- ... don't want links to two places
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- present+
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- pull stuff from social into our minutes
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- richard: tried to review items marked "closed?"
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- addison: volunteers needed
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- richard: read minutes for the other things we pulled out
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- zakim, take up agendum 8
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- agendum 8. "Charmod, Encoding, etc." taken up [from addison]
- 16:04:34 [r12a]
- http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/
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- https://w3c.github.io/string-search/
- 16:05:25 [addison]
- addison: welcome comments on charmod-norm
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- https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/issues
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- Topic: AOB?
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- richard: need to do the echidna thing and fix the thing about TR in green box
- 16:07:00 [addison]
- addison: yep
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- richard: ethiopic recently published, please look
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- http://w3c.github.io/elreq/
- 16:07:37 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
- 16:07:44 [r12a]
- http://w3c.github.io/elreq/
- 16:07:57 [addison]
- richard: issue list is a bit strange here
- 16:08:07 [addison]
- ... there are like 80 issues used for a survey
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- ... filter those out
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- present+ najib
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/repostatus/
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- joconner has left #i18n
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
- 16:11:39 [addison]
- zakim, bye
- 16:11:39 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Steve, Richard, Lina, Felix, joconner, najib
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- Zakim has left #i18n
- 16:13:33 [addison]
- rrsagent, bye
- 16:13:33 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: richard to establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-irc#T15-09-35