IRC log of i18n on 2016-09-29

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trackbot, prepare teleconference
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 29 September 2016
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Regrets: JcK, Francesco
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: addison
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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I have made the request to generate addison
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agenda+ Agenda
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agenda+ Action Items
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agenda+ Info Share
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agenda+ Radar and Active Work Review
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agenda+ Issue Triage
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agenda+ What happened at TPAC?
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agenda+ FindText API and Web Platform Charter
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agenda+ Charmod, Encoding, etc.
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Present+ Addison
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present+ Steve
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present+ Richard
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present+ Lina
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present+ Felix
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Lina, did you click on the button to join the call that says something like "Connect to Audio" ?
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on the left of the window
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present+ felix
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
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Lina, we now see two of you on the webex UI, but you don't seem to be on the call
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I just joined
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
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action-536 -- Richard Ishida to Publish predefined-counter-styles as a wg note -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN
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15:08:21 [addison]
richard: getting some comments and need to address them first
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action-538 -- Addison Phillips to Work with richard and plh to establish procedure for bringing changes to encoding forward -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN
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15:08:51 [addison]
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close action-538
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Closed action-538.
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action: richard to establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis
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Created ACTION-560 - Establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-10-06].
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action-542 -- Richard Ishida to Ask after dpub-pagination status and if they want/ready for a review -- due 2016-07-28 -- OPEN
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15:10:14 [addison]
close action-542
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Closed action-542.
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richard: aware that's a question and may get around to it eventually; not ready now
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close action-549
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Closed action-549.
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action-551 -- Addison Phillips to Drop current charmod section 4 into the wiki for posterity or future use and then edit to remove -- due 2016-09-15 -- OPEN
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addison: created string-search for that
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close action-551
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Closed action-551.
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action-552 -- Addison Phillips to Write to json-ld about potential for a serialization form for natural language strings to address issues with dir and lang -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN
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15:13:01 [addison]
addison: read json-ld, will have a draft next week
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action-554 -- Addison Phillips to Work to schedule a review of microformats -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN
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action-556 -- Elika Etemad to Convert her text justification to respec -- due 2016-09-30 -- OPEN
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richard: did that for her
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close action-556
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Closed action-556.
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close action-557
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Closed action-557.
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action-558 -- Richard Ishida to Do due diligence on converting layout tfs to cgs -- due 2016-09-30 -- OPEN
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15:15:53 [addison]
richard: did some of that, need to chat with Wendy
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... will talk about late
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... on it
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close action-559
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Closed action-559.
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
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welcoming new members
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Lina: excited to be here
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... based in Israel, work in IBM on bidi stuff
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... contribute to ICU
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JohnOC: work at Intuit
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... some experience with primarily the Java platform
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... since then have worked in I18N
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... creating a localization platfrom
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I have made the request to generate addison
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Radar and Active Work Review" taken up [from addison]
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richard: one more just came through from amy
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... activitypub just moved to w3c domain
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richard: first self-review!
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richard: ttml, should have a list of new stuff
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... watch ruby stuff
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... including non-css/non-jlreq items
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steve: justification?
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richard: captioning on tvs and film
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present+ joconner
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steve: need to keep css and ttml in sync?
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addison: yeah
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richard: svg2 needs love
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addison: some traffic on mongolian and nnbsp; want to do something diff
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richard: participating in wg2
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... he and the other mongolian experts
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richard: edx: now a css course released, need to look at it
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... check for i18n issues
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unicode conference coming soon!
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richard: who's going?
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addison, richard...
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zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "Issue Triage" taken up [from addison]
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15:32:11 [fsasaki]
sorry, have to go - cheers
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steve: first clarify and then guide?
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addison: basically yes, can't tell if iri or uri or what
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lina: nice to have the direction, as2 has the same problem
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both accepted
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I have made the request to generate addison
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richard: typo in the github in this spec?
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richard: new version of webauthn yesterday
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zakim, take up agendum 7
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agendum 7. "FindText API and Web Platform Charter" taken up [from addison]
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addison: do we care that this is falling on the floor?
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zakim, take up agendum 6
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agendum 6. "What happened at TPAC?" taken up [from addison]
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I have made the request to generate addison
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richard: will have minutes soon, here's the minutes
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richard: outcome of encoding with anne
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... problem has been that we don't update our snapshot regularly
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... not close to his version
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... so we decided to publish quite regularly
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... if only editorial changes can publsih straightaway
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... if substantive then 'call for exclusion' takes two months
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... can do immediately but then have to wait 2 months until next one
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addison: also got permission to point to whatwg's copy of tables
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richard: easier to keep up to date, not a substantive change any more
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... following up with implementers
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... dean jackson from safari
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... spoke to travis from msft
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... moz has henri sivonen
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... should solve all the problems (hopefully)
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... jungshik working bugs on chrome
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... movement of impls!
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richard: wednesday had meetings about horizontal reviews
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... reorg underway
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... ralph swick has responsibility to see that horizontal reviews get done
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addison: a11y, tag
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ack na
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najib: did you talk about arabic layout?
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richard: no, other than in passing
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... reported making progress, started on justification
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... not much more detail
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... did have a session on chinese layout TF
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... in minutes
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... also a discussion about whether to move TFs to Community Groups (CGs)
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... sounded good, but details may or may not be as compatible as we thought
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... still investigating
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... CGs make make easy to join
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... but it's not that simple
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... and some organizational principles
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... own agreements
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... not same as Invited Expert
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... doc in CG and handed over when final
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... not how we've done things
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I have made the request to generate addison
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richard: WG continues working, RI allowed to work... but more anon as we study it
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Lina: hebrew TF?
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... proposed a couple months ago
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... prepared charter draft
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... what is next step?
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... share with richard, addison and martin?
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richard: yes. thanks for brining up
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... send charter and can do next steps
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I have made the request to generate addison
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najib: some shared maybe?
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richard: discussion with fantasai
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... who is a member, but mostly does CSS
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... does the i18n for css
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... she put a document about justificiation together
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... links to other docs
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... subset of ours
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I have made the request to generate addison
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richard: that link will be useful to Lina
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... known info about layout for non-Latin scripts
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... fantasai was worried just on github
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... summary is that created a doc already but need to post
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... which will be at above address
16:00:48 [addison] have TR equiv (so w3c)
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... contain elika's stuff in slightly diff form
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... she may provide other brief summaries
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... working on it!
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richard: will try to keep page as it looks now for folks setting up LTFs
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... and others
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... helps structure document for layout docs for example
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... don't want links to two places
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pull stuff from social into our minutes
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richard: tried to review items marked "closed?"
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addison: volunteers needed
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richard: read minutes for the other things we pulled out
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zakim, take up agendum 8
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agendum 8. "Charmod, Encoding, etc." taken up [from addison]
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addison: welcome comments on charmod-norm
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Topic: AOB?
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richard: need to do the echidna thing and fix the thing about TR in green box
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addison: yep
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richard: ethiopic recently published, please look
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I have made the request to generate addison
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richard: issue list is a bit strange here
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... there are like 80 issues used for a survey
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... filter those out
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present+ najib
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I have made the request to generate addison
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I have made the request to generate addison
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Steve, Richard, Lina, Felix, joconner, najib
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in :
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ACTION: richard to establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis [1]
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