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<janina> Hi, Ted. Let's hope this approach is more stable!
<TedDRake> have you been watching me connect and drop off?
<janina> Actually, not seeing you until now
<scribe> scribe: Rich
janina: EME refuses to die.
... there is some additional discussion around TPAC
... any modifications to the agenda?
michael: I have some 2 minute stuff
<MichaelC> WoT draft charter
michael: the web of things
working group is wanting to add a liaison statement to
apa
... is there an accessibility api for the web of things?
rich: are WoT and IoT the same?
michael: no WoT is a layer above
katie: the web of things has
their own kind of browser and authoring tools
... we need to discuss the components we have concerns
about
<MichaelC> APA wiki on WoT
rich: let’s wait for the meeting at TPAC
michael: we can wait to the tpac meeting before responding to their charter
janina: we need a section in their charter to discuss accessibility - we should get to standard templates. this would include security as well
katie: We know we need a mode of operation that includes accessible templates
janina: we don’t have to do a deep dive now
jf: I have been very interested
int WoT - in particular home automation
... often the common denominator is the browser
rich: we should discuss address the charter prior to tpac.
michael: we need to address the charter prior to tpac
rich: will the platform include ATs?
michael: should I request the accessibility impact paragraph?
<MichaelC> Draft Audio charter
janina: yes
rich: I think UIs will be multi-modal
Michael: We need to be able to say why we need an impact section
Janina: we should require an accessibility impact statement form everybody
zakem, next item
janina: our agenda is forming.
There are some spots left open. We will have this WoT
conversation but I don’t know when
... We will be meeting with the authentication people
... We will be talking about COGA
... Are there other topics we need to have at TPAC?
... CSS is Tuesday morning first thing
JF: Are we meeting with the WCAG
working group?
... They are working on WCAG 2.1 and Silver
Michael: Andrew said something
about a social event outside formal meeting time.
... I don’t see a need for joint meeting time with WCAG
Michael: Action-2084?
... vibration API
ACTION-2084?
<trackbot> ACTION-2084 -- Ted Drake to Work with janina to draft an a11y considerations section for the vibration api -- due 2016-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2084
Ted: there are preference
requirements for personalization
... pages with a specific origin. …
janina: can you take a stab at a draft?
Ted: yes
<MichaelC> action-2084 due 1 week
<trackbot> Set action-2084 Work with janina to draft an a11y considerations section for the vibration api due date to 2016-09-14.
ACTION-2083?
<trackbot> ACTION-2083 -- Ted Drake to Review deviceorientation event specification https://www.w3.org/tr/orientation-event/ -- due 2016-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2083
Ted: I looked at this and there
was nothing in the spec. that had to do with
accessibility
... Someone could detect device orientation changes to detect a
tremor
JF: I did not see anything applicable here for accessibility
<MichaelC> close action-2083
<trackbot> Closed action-2083.
<MichaelC> close action-2082
<trackbot> Closed action-2082.
ACTION-2081?
<trackbot> ACTION-2081 -- Michael Cooper to See if web app manifest comments are dealt with https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/web_app_manifest -- due 2016-08-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2081
michael: still open
ACTION-2085?
<trackbot> ACTION-2085 -- Fred Esch to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shacl-abstract-syntax/ shacl core abstract syntax and semantics -- due 2016-09-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2085
Action-2069?
<trackbot> Action-2069 -- Michael Cooper to Follow up on http://www.w3.org/tr/media-source/ media source extensions -- due 2016-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2069
Michael: action 2069 - Fred to review
Fred: no UI impact. We do not need to review it
<fesch> action-2085
<trackbot> action-2085 -- Fred Esch to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shacl-abstract-syntax/ shacl core abstract syntax and semantics -- due 2016-09-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2085
<MichaelC> close action-2085
<trackbot> Closed action-2085.
RESOLUTION: no comments to file for action 2085
janina: matrix on why we made
decisions on aria-details, etc.
... discovery of aria-details by non-AT users
leonie: browsers are not
interested in a corresponding attribute in html as it applies
to aria-details
... it might be good to give David Singers view on the HTML
text
<MichaelC> ACTION: cooper to sign, seal, and deliver the extended description matrix https://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-apa-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2089 - Sign, seal, and deliver the extended description matrix https://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis [on Michael Cooper - due 2016-09-14].
leonie: david singer was not abashed at the browsers changing the UI.
janina: we need to take the past history off limits
<LJWatson> http://github.com/w3c/html/issues/561
michael: there are spec. changes
that we are actively working on
... there are specifications that we were required to riview.
one was ambient light.
... that is it for spec. review for this week
janina: we have talked about
certain requirements that would help them do due
diligence.
... what a perfect topic for TPAC
<MichaelC> Horizontal Review Summit proposal
Janina; we would like to be able to plan our work vs. having to firefight
Janina: we will try to get other
groups to join us
... we do have things we would like to bring to the table
... standard process ideas would be good to agree on
... the idea is to us to get other groups to get this part of
the process to be well defined.
... the reason horizontal review is good is it puts an
identifiable spot in any spec where accessibility is called
out. This way people don’t have to go through the whole spec.
to find the accessibility work.
... this is important for implementors as well as those
creating the standards
... it might say “no impact’
michael: I am hoping that we talk
to other groups about practices
... horizontal groups are talking about establishing a
checklist
... I am hoping to reinvigorate the work
... we need to discuss best practices
... We want to define best practices so that groups address
accessibility in horizontal review where the groups reach out
for horizontal review
... if we can share pain points and solutions it will improve
horizontal review
JF: what is the possibility of
setting a horizontal review email to request horizontal
reviews
... this would be an alias mailing list
... there is one for announcements. So we could talk with that
group
... If we had a specific email address that people could post
to it might put a spotlight on it
<Ryladog> TPAC Question: I have learned on the interweb that Uber functions in Lisbon, can anybody confirm this?
<scribe> chair: Janina
<MichaelC> Review Announce list
Janina: we came to conclusion
that there was no issue
... then I start hearing from management that they are not
convinced we don’t have an issue
... we need to check back with management
JF: can we get a clear articulation of the issue
Janina: I am trying to to do that
katie: I just wanted to know if anyone knows if Uber runs in Lisbon
<Ryladog> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MeetingTaxis
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