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15:40:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
15:40:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:40:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:40:51 <trackbot> Date: 07 September 2016
15:41:01 <janina> agenda?
15:41:10 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:41:10 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:41:15 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:41:15 <janina> agenda+ TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016
15:41:15 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:41:15 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:41:16 <janina> agenda+ EME Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Aug/0079.html
15:41:18 <janina> agenda+ Horizontal Review Discussion Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/SessionIdeas#Horizontal_review_summit
15:41:21 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:41:23 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:41:26 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:53:30 <janina> present+ Janina
15:53:34 <janina> Chair: Janina
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15:56:54 <janina> Hi, Ted. Let's hope this approach is more stable!
15:57:08 <TedDRake> have you been watching me connect and drop off?
15:57:19 <janina> Actually, not seeing you until now
15:57:43 <TedDRake> I couldn't maintain a connection via limechat, so I'm on the web version.
15:58:09 <janina> Don't know that client. I use irssi in linux console
15:58:35 <janina> Probably
15:58:59 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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16:03:37 <chaals> s/Probably//
16:04:06 <chaals> s/Don't know that client. I use irssi in linux console//
16:04:23 <chaals> s/I couldn't maintain a connection via limechat, so I'm on the web version.//
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16:06:16 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
16:07:05 <richardschwerdtfeger> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:07:16 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
16:07:16 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
16:07:40 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
16:07:40 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MichaelC
16:07:47 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
16:07:47 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:08:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Rich
16:08:18 <janina> zakim, next item
16:08:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:08:27 <MichaelC> q+
16:08:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: EME refuses to die.
16:08:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: there is some additional discussion around TPAC
16:09:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: any modifications to the agenda?
16:09:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: I have some 2 minute stuff
16:09:27 <MichaelC> -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-wg-2016.html WoT draft charter
16:09:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: the web of things working group is wanting to add a liaison statement to apa
16:09:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: is there an accessibility api for the web of things?
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16:10:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: are WoT and IoT the same?
16:10:46 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:10:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: no WoT is a layer above
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16:11:01 <Ryladog> q=
16:11:08 <JF> present+ JF
16:11:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> katie: the web of things has their own kind of browser and authoring tools
16:11:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> katie: we need to discuss the components we have concerns about
16:11:48 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things APA wiki on WoT
16:12:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: let’s wait for the meeting at TPAC
16:12:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we can wait to the tpac meeting before responding to their charter
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16:13:03 <JF> Q+
16:13:34 <JF> ack JF
16:13:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we need a section in their charter to discuss accessibility - we should get to standard templates.  this would include security as well
16:14:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> katie: We know we need a mode of operation that includes accessible templates
16:14:29 <JF> Q+
16:14:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
16:14:46 <MichaelC> ack me
16:14:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we don’t have to do a deep dive now
16:15:00 <janina> q?
16:15:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack JF
16:15:06 <janina> ack jf
16:15:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> jf: I have been very interested int WoT - in particular home automation
16:15:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> jf: often the common denominator is the browser
16:16:06 <janina> ack ri
16:17:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: we should discuss address the charter prior to tpac.
16:17:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we need to address the charter prior to tpac
16:18:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: will the platform include ATs?
16:19:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: should I request the accessibility impact paragraph?
16:19:30 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/charter/audio-2016.html Draft Audio charter
16:19:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: yes
16:19:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: I think UIs will be multi-modal
16:20:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: We need to be able to say why we need an impact section
16:21:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina: we should require an accessibility impact statement form everybody
16:21:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakem, next item
16:21:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:21:46 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016" taken up [from janina]
16:22:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: our agenda is forming. There are some spots left open. We will have this WoT conversation but I don’t know when
16:22:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina: We will be meeting with the authentication people
16:22:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina: We will be talking about COGA
16:23:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina: Are there other topics we need to have at TPAC?
16:23:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina: CSS is Tuesday morning first thing
16:23:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> JF: Are we meeting with the WCAG working group?
16:24:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> JF: They are working on WCAG 2.1 and Silver
16:24:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: Andrew said something about a social event outside formal meeting time.
16:25:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: I don’t see a need for joint meeting time with WCAG
16:25:11 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:25:11 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:25:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: Action-2084?
16:25:38 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: vibration API
16:25:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION-2084?
16:25:47 <trackbot> ACTION-2084 -- Ted Drake to Work with janina to draft an a11y considerations section for the vibration api -- due 2016-08-31 -- OPEN
16:25:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2084
16:26:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> Ted: there are preference requirements for personalization
16:26:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> Ted: pages with a specific origin. …
16:27:01 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: can you take a stab at a draft?
16:27:05 <richardschwerdtfeger> Ted: yes
16:27:31 <MichaelC> action-2084 due 1 week
16:27:31 <trackbot> Set action-2084 Work with janina to draft an a11y considerations section for the vibration api due date to 2016-09-14.
16:27:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION-2083?
16:27:54 <trackbot> ACTION-2083 -- Ted Drake to Review deviceorientation event specification https://www.w3.org/tr/orientation-event/ -- due 2016-08-31 -- OPEN
16:27:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2083
16:28:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> Ted: I looked at this and there was nothing in the spec. that had to do with accessibility
16:28:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> Ted: Someone could detect device orientation changes to detect a tremor
16:28:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> JF: I did not see anything applicable here for accessibility
16:28:59 <MichaelC> close action-2083
16:28:59 <trackbot> Closed action-2083.
16:29:01 <MichaelC> close action-2082
16:29:01 <trackbot> Closed action-2082.
16:29:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION-2081?
16:29:15 <trackbot> ACTION-2081 -- Michael Cooper to See if web app manifest comments are dealt with https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/web_app_manifest -- due 2016-08-17 -- OPEN
16:29:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2081
16:29:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: still open
16:29:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION-2085?
16:29:37 <trackbot> ACTION-2085 -- Fred Esch to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shacl-abstract-syntax/ shacl core abstract syntax and semantics -- due 2016-09-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:29:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2085
16:29:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action-2069?
16:29:48 <trackbot> Action-2069 -- Michael Cooper to Follow up on http://www.w3.org/tr/media-source/ media source extensions -- due 2016-08-04 -- OPEN
16:29:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2069
16:30:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: action 2069 - Fred to review
16:30:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> Fred: no UI impact. We do not need to review it
16:30:47 <fesch> action-2085
16:30:47 <trackbot> action-2085 -- Fred Esch to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shacl-abstract-syntax/ shacl core abstract syntax and semantics -- due 2016-09-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:30:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2085
16:31:14 <MichaelC> close action-2085
16:31:14 <trackbot> Closed action-2085.
16:31:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: no comments to file for action 2085
16:32:07 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: matrix on why we made decisions on aria-details, etc.
16:32:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: discovery of aria-details by non-AT users
16:33:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> leonie: browsers are not interested in a corresponding attribute in html as it applies to aria-details
16:34:34 <richardschwerdtfeger> leonie: it might be good to give David Singers view on the HTML text
16:34:39 <JF> Q+
16:34:39 <MichaelC> action: cooper to sign, seal, and deliver the extended description matrix https://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis
16:34:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2089 - Sign, seal, and deliver the extended description matrix https://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis [on Michael Cooper - due 2016-09-14].
16:35:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> leonie: david singer was not abashed at the browsers changing the UI.
16:35:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we need to take the past history off limits
16:36:44 <LJWatson> http://github.com/w3c/html/issues/561
16:36:59 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:36:59 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, richardschwerdtfeger
16:37:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: there are spec. changes that we are actively working on
16:37:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: there are specifications that we were required to riview. one was ambient light.
16:38:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: that is it for spec. review for this week
16:38:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:38:14 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, richardschwerdtfeger
16:38:18 <janina> q?
16:38:22 <janina> ack jf
16:38:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:38:30 <Zakim> agendum 4. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:38:39 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
16:38:39 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
16:38:40 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:38:40 <Zakim> 6. Horizontal Review Discussion Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/SessionIdeas#Horizontal_review_summit [from janina]
16:38:42 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
16:38:42 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Horizontal Review Discussion Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/SessionIdeas#Horizontal_review_summit" taken up [from janina]
16:39:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we have talked about certain requirements that would help them do due diligence.
16:40:03 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina: what a perfect topic for TPAC
16:40:18 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/SessionIdeas#Horizontal_review_summit Horizontal Review Summit proposal
16:40:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina; we would like to be able to plan our work vs. having to firefight
16:40:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina: we will try to get other groups to join us
16:41:05 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we do have things we would like to bring to the table
16:41:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: standard process ideas would be good to agree on
16:41:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: the idea is to us to get other groups to get this part of the process to be well defined.
16:42:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: the reason horizontal review is good is it puts an identifiable spot in any spec where accessibility is called out. This way people don’t have to go through the whole spec. to find the accessibility work.
16:42:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: this is important for implementors as well as those creating the standards
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16:43:07 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: it might say “no impact’
16:43:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
16:43:22 <janina> q?
16:43:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: I am hoping that we talk to other groups about practices
16:44:01 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: horizontal groups are talking about establishing a checklist
16:44:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: I am hoping to reinvigorate the work
16:44:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we need to discuss best practices
16:44:52 <janina> q?
16:45:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: We want to define best practices so that groups  address accessibility in horizontal review where the groups reach out for horizontal review
16:45:11 <JF> Q+
16:45:25 <janina> ack jf
16:45:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: if we can share pain points and solutions it will improve horizontal review
16:45:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> JF: what is the possibility of setting a horizontal review email to request horizontal reviews
16:46:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> JF: this would be an alias mailing list
16:46:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> JF: there is one for announcements. So we could talk with that group
16:46:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
16:46:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> JF: If we had a specific email address that people could post to it might put a spotlight on it
16:46:56 <Ryladog> TPAC Question: I have learned on the interweb that Uber functions in Lisbon, can anybody confirm this?
16:47:01 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
16:47:11 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
16:47:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Janina
16:47:22 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:47:22 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
16:47:23 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:47:23 <Zakim> 7. Other Business [from janina]
16:47:30 <janina> zakim, take up item 5
16:47:30 <Zakim> agendum 5. "EME Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Aug/0079.html" taken up [from janina]
16:47:35 <MichaelC> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-review-announce/ Review Announce list
16:47:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina: we came to conclusion that there was no issue
16:48:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina: then I start hearing from management that they are not convinced we don’t have an issue
16:48:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina: we need to check back with management
16:48:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> JF: can we get a clear articulation of the issue
16:49:01 <richardschwerdtfeger> Janina: I am trying to to do that
16:49:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:49:21 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
16:49:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> katie: I just wanted to know if anyone knows if Uber runs in Lisbon
16:51:35 <Ryladog> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MeetingTaxis
16:52:05 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g189158-i203-k9379620-Uber_questions-Lisbon_Lisbon_District_Central_Portugal.html
16:54:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:54:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-apa-minutes.html richardschwerdtfeger
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16:55:14 <janina> zakim, bye
16:55:14 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, LJWatson, fesch, MichaelC, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Katie_Haritos-Shea, JF
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16:55:20 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
16:55:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-apa-minutes.html janina
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