IRC log of apa on 2016-09-07
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- Zakim, this will be
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 07 September 2016
- 15:41:01 [janina]
- agenda?
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
- 15:41:15 [janina]
- agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
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- agenda+ TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016
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- agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
- 15:41:15 [janina]
- agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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- agenda+ EME Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Aug/0079.html
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- agenda+ Horizontal Review Discussion Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/SessionIdeas#Horizontal_review_summit
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ next and future meetings
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- agenda+ be done
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- present+ Janina
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- Chair: Janina
- 15:56:40 [TedDRake]
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- Hi, Ted. Let's hope this approach is more stable!
- 15:57:08 [TedDRake]
- have you been watching me connect and drop off?
- 15:57:19 [janina]
- Actually, not seeing you until now
- 15:57:43 [TedDRake]
- I couldn't maintain a connection via limechat, so I'm on the web version.
- 15:58:09 [janina]
- Don't know that client. I use irssi in linux console
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- Probably
- 15:58:59 [joanie]
- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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- present+ LJWatson
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- present+ fesch
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- s/Probably//
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- s/Don't know that client. I use irssi in linux console//
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- s/I couldn't maintain a connection via limechat, so I'm on the web version.//
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- 16:06:16 [MichaelC]
- present+ MichaelC
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- present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
- 16:07:16 [janina]
- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
- 16:07:40 [janina]
- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MichaelC
- 16:07:47 [janina]
- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Rich_Schwerdtfeger
- 16:08:10 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- scribe: Rich
- 16:08:18 [janina]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
- 16:08:27 [MichaelC]
- q+
- 16:08:40 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: EME refuses to die.
- 16:08:52 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: there is some additional discussion around TPAC
- 16:09:06 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: any modifications to the agenda?
- 16:09:14 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: I have some 2 minute stuff
- 16:09:27 [MichaelC]
- -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-wg-2016.html WoT draft charter
- 16:09:41 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: the web of things working group is wanting to add a liaison statement to apa
- 16:09:58 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: is there an accessibility api for the web of things?
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- rich: are WoT and IoT the same?
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- Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 16:10:51 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: no WoT is a layer above
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- q=
- 16:11:08 [JF]
- present+ JF
- 16:11:27 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- katie: the web of things has their own kind of browser and authoring tools
- 16:11:42 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- katie: we need to discuss the components we have concerns about
- 16:11:48 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things APA wiki on WoT
- 16:12:32 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- rich: let’s wait for the meeting at TPAC
- 16:12:53 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: we can wait to the tpac meeting before responding to their charter
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- 16:13:03 [JF]
- Q+
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- ack JF
- 16:13:51 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we need a section in their charter to discuss accessibility - we should get to standard templates. this would include security as well
- 16:14:17 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- katie: We know we need a mode of operation that includes accessible templates
- 16:14:29 [JF]
- Q+
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- q+
- 16:14:46 [MichaelC]
- ack me
- 16:14:48 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we don’t have to do a deep dive now
- 16:15:00 [janina]
- q?
- 16:15:06 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack JF
- 16:15:06 [janina]
- ack jf
- 16:15:25 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- jf: I have been very interested int WoT - in particular home automation
- 16:15:55 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- jf: often the common denominator is the browser
- 16:16:06 [janina]
- ack ri
- 16:17:10 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- rich: we should discuss address the charter prior to tpac.
- 16:17:40 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: we need to address the charter prior to tpac
- 16:18:21 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- rich: will the platform include ATs?
- 16:19:23 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: should I request the accessibility impact paragraph?
- 16:19:30 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/charter/audio-2016.html Draft Audio charter
- 16:19:32 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: yes
- 16:19:42 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- rich: I think UIs will be multi-modal
- 16:20:42 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: We need to be able to say why we need an impact section
- 16:21:16 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina: we should require an accessibility impact statement form everybody
- 16:21:40 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakem, next item
- 16:21:46 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
- 16:21:46 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016" taken up [from janina]
- 16:22:20 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: our agenda is forming. There are some spots left open. We will have this WoT conversation but I don’t know when
- 16:22:35 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina: We will be meeting with the authentication people
- 16:22:43 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina: We will be talking about COGA
- 16:23:17 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina: Are there other topics we need to have at TPAC?
- 16:23:35 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina: CSS is Tuesday morning first thing
- 16:23:58 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JF: Are we meeting with the WCAG working group?
- 16:24:14 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JF: They are working on WCAG 2.1 and Silver
- 16:24:37 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: Andrew said something about a social event outside formal meeting time.
- 16:25:02 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: I don’t see a need for joint meeting time with WCAG
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
- 16:25:27 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: Action-2084?
- 16:25:38 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: vibration API
- 16:25:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ACTION-2084?
- 16:25:47 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2084 -- Ted Drake to Work with janina to draft an a11y considerations section for the vibration api -- due 2016-08-31 -- OPEN
- 16:25:47 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2084
- 16:26:25 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Ted: there are preference requirements for personalization
- 16:26:43 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Ted: pages with a specific origin. …
- 16:27:01 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: can you take a stab at a draft?
- 16:27:05 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Ted: yes
- 16:27:31 [MichaelC]
- action-2084 due 1 week
- 16:27:31 [trackbot]
- Set action-2084 Work with janina to draft an a11y considerations section for the vibration api due date to 2016-09-14.
- 16:27:54 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ACTION-2083?
- 16:27:54 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2083 -- Ted Drake to Review deviceorientation event specification https://www.w3.org/tr/orientation-event/ -- due 2016-08-31 -- OPEN
- 16:27:54 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2083
- 16:28:15 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Ted: I looked at this and there was nothing in the spec. that had to do with accessibility
- 16:28:35 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Ted: Someone could detect device orientation changes to detect a tremor
- 16:28:55 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JF: I did not see anything applicable here for accessibility
- 16:28:59 [MichaelC]
- close action-2083
- 16:28:59 [trackbot]
- Closed action-2083.
- 16:29:01 [MichaelC]
- close action-2082
- 16:29:01 [trackbot]
- Closed action-2082.
- 16:29:15 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ACTION-2081?
- 16:29:15 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2081 -- Michael Cooper to See if web app manifest comments are dealt with https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/web_app_manifest -- due 2016-08-17 -- OPEN
- 16:29:15 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2081
- 16:29:22 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: still open
- 16:29:37 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ACTION-2085?
- 16:29:37 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2085 -- Fred Esch to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shacl-abstract-syntax/ shacl core abstract syntax and semantics -- due 2016-09-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
- 16:29:37 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2085
- 16:29:48 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Action-2069?
- 16:29:48 [trackbot]
- Action-2069 -- Michael Cooper to Follow up on http://www.w3.org/tr/media-source/ media source extensions -- due 2016-08-04 -- OPEN
- 16:29:48 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2069
- 16:30:16 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: action 2069 - Fred to review
- 16:30:29 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Fred: no UI impact. We do not need to review it
- 16:30:47 [fesch]
- action-2085
- 16:30:47 [trackbot]
- action-2085 -- Fred Esch to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shacl-abstract-syntax/ shacl core abstract syntax and semantics -- due 2016-09-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
- 16:30:47 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2085
- 16:31:14 [MichaelC]
- close action-2085
- 16:31:14 [trackbot]
- Closed action-2085.
- 16:31:15 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- RESOLUTION: no comments to file for action 2085
- 16:32:07 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: matrix on why we made decisions on aria-details, etc.
- 16:32:37 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: discovery of aria-details by non-AT users
- 16:33:52 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- leonie: browsers are not interested in a corresponding attribute in html as it applies to aria-details
- 16:34:34 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- leonie: it might be good to give David Singers view on the HTML text
- 16:34:39 [JF]
- Q+
- 16:34:39 [MichaelC]
- action: cooper to sign, seal, and deliver the extended description matrix https://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis
- 16:34:40 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2089 - Sign, seal, and deliver the extended description matrix https://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis [on Michael Cooper - due 2016-09-14].
- 16:35:16 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- leonie: david singer was not abashed at the browsers changing the UI.
- 16:35:32 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we need to take the past history off limits
- 16:36:44 [LJWatson]
- http://github.com/w3c/html/issues/561
- 16:36:59 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
- 16:36:59 [Zakim]
- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, richardschwerdtfeger
- 16:37:18 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: there are spec. changes that we are actively working on
- 16:37:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: there are specifications that we were required to riview. one was ambient light.
- 16:38:10 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: that is it for spec. review for this week
- 16:38:14 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
- 16:38:14 [Zakim]
- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, richardschwerdtfeger
- 16:38:18 [janina]
- q?
- 16:38:22 [janina]
- ack jf
- 16:38:30 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
- 16:38:30 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
- 16:38:39 [MichaelC]
- zakim, close this item
- 16:38:39 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 closed
- 16:38:40 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:38:40 [Zakim]
- 6. Horizontal Review Discussion Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/SessionIdeas#Horizontal_review_summit [from janina]
- 16:38:42 [MichaelC]
- zakim, next item
- 16:38:42 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "Horizontal Review Discussion Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/SessionIdeas#Horizontal_review_summit" taken up [from janina]
- 16:39:49 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we have talked about certain requirements that would help them do due diligence.
- 16:40:03 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina: what a perfect topic for TPAC
- 16:40:18 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/SessionIdeas#Horizontal_review_summit Horizontal Review Summit proposal
- 16:40:36 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina; we would like to be able to plan our work vs. having to firefight
- 16:40:50 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina: we will try to get other groups to join us
- 16:41:05 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we do have things we would like to bring to the table
- 16:41:23 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: standard process ideas would be good to agree on
- 16:41:49 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: the idea is to us to get other groups to get this part of the process to be well defined.
- 16:42:39 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: the reason horizontal review is good is it puts an identifiable spot in any spec where accessibility is called out. This way people don’t have to go through the whole spec. to find the accessibility work.
- 16:42:54 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: this is important for implementors as well as those creating the standards
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- janina: it might say “no impact’
- 16:43:14 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 16:43:22 [janina]
- q?
- 16:43:46 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: I am hoping that we talk to other groups about practices
- 16:44:01 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: horizontal groups are talking about establishing a checklist
- 16:44:18 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: I am hoping to reinvigorate the work
- 16:44:30 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: we need to discuss best practices
- 16:44:52 [janina]
- q?
- 16:45:04 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: We want to define best practices so that groups address accessibility in horizontal review where the groups reach out for horizontal review
- 16:45:11 [JF]
- Q+
- 16:45:25 [janina]
- ack jf
- 16:45:28 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: if we can share pain points and solutions it will improve horizontal review
- 16:45:49 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JF: what is the possibility of setting a horizontal review email to request horizontal reviews
- 16:46:09 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JF: this would be an alias mailing list
- 16:46:27 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JF: there is one for announcements. So we could talk with that group
- 16:46:32 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 16:46:55 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JF: If we had a specific email address that people could post to it might put a spotlight on it
- 16:46:56 [Ryladog]
- TPAC Question: I have learned on the interweb that Uber functions in Lisbon, can anybody confirm this?
- 16:47:01 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 16:47:11 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- RRSAgent, make log public
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- chair: Janina
- 16:47:22 [janina]
- zakim, close this item
- 16:47:22 [Zakim]
- agendum 6 closed
- 16:47:23 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:47:23 [Zakim]
- 7. Other Business [from janina]
- 16:47:30 [janina]
- zakim, take up item 5
- 16:47:30 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "EME Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Aug/0079.html" taken up [from janina]
- 16:47:35 [MichaelC]
- -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-review-announce/ Review Announce list
- 16:47:51 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina: we came to conclusion that there was no issue
- 16:48:06 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina: then I start hearing from management that they are not convinced we don’t have an issue
- 16:48:28 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina: we need to check back with management
- 16:48:51 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JF: can we get a clear articulation of the issue
- 16:49:01 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Janina: I am trying to to do that
- 16:49:21 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
- 16:49:21 [Zakim]
- agendum 7. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
- 16:49:57 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- katie: I just wanted to know if anyone knows if Uber runs in Lisbon
- 16:51:35 [Ryladog]
- https://www.w3.org/wiki/MeetingTaxis
- 16:52:05 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g189158-i203-k9379620-Uber_questions-Lisbon_Lisbon_District_Central_Portugal.html
- 16:54:12 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-apa-minutes.html richardschwerdtfeger
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- 16:55:14 [janina]
- zakim, bye
- 16:55:14 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, LJWatson, fesch, MichaelC, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Katie_Haritos-Shea, JF
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-apa-minutes.html janina
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