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<fesch> bizarrely I got dropped
<cyns> scribe nick cyns
<MichielBijl> tribe: cyns
<cyns> scribe: cyns
js: can anyone volunteer to look at community groups this week?
jf: I will
<JF> ACTION: JF to look at Community groups for next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-apa-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2015 - Look at community groups for next week [on John Foliot - due 2016-03-09].
js: US moves to daylight time in 2 weeks. We'll be out of synch with EU for a bit
mb: changed jobs. now with Paciello
(all) congrats
zakim take up next item
<MichaelC> action-2008?
<trackbot> action-2008 -- John Foliot to Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1/ -- due 2016-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2008
<MichaelC> action-2006?
<trackbot> action-2006 -- John Foliot to Draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on eme https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ -- due 2016-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2006
jf: need another week
<MichaelC> action-2006 due 1 week
<trackbot> Set action-2006 Draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on eme https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ due date to 2016-03-09.
<MichaelC> action-2008 due 1 week
<trackbot> Set action-2008 Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1/ due date to 2016-03-09.
<joanie> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Presentation_API
jd: done
... for the most part, not user interface.
... exceptions 1) implmentors are encouraged to show users
whethr an availbl display is in use...
... I think it's covered by otehr specs
... 2) "if any of the following steps fails, abort all
remaining steps and close the ... human readable message..." do
we want to point out cognitive issues or refer to cogat tf
mc: think you'll get either too much or too little from them... don't think it's critical to have them review
jd: some other notes. "using a
... mechanism" is vague, but not user facing
... "... in response to a window-close equivalent..." what is
the equivalent? real window close would result in aapi signals
to ATs. Do we need to worry about that?
cs: I think that's valid feedback. What is equivalent
jd: the reason I was concerned about this was how will it be rendered on the recieving end. spec says to navigate to the resource URL, which covers my concerns.
mc: might still be concerns...
jd: next steps?
mc: ask as an inidividual, decide on formal comments based on answer
<MichaelC> action-1762?
<trackbot> action-1762 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Review http://www.w3.org/tr/csp-cookies/ content security policy: cookie controls to see if a11y issues or not -- due 2016-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1762
<MichaelC> action-1762 due 1 week
<trackbot> Set action-1762 Review http://www.w3.org/tr/csp-cookies/ content security policy: cookie controls to see if a11y issues or not due date to 2016-03-09.
khs: haven't done yet
<MichaelC> action-2014?
<trackbot> action-2014 -- Fred Esch to Review micropub https://www.w3.org/tr/micropub/ -- due 2016-02-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2014
fe: review micro-pub. it's really
early. we shoudl look at it in a year or so
... no api for alternative text and captions
js: maybe send them a note now so they address it early
fe: could, but they don't have any server-side stuff
js: can do later
... is there a way to keep defered ist?
mc: on wiki?
js: put a future date on an action
mc: prefer to do in wiki
<Zakim> joanie, you wanted to discuss quick follow-up on my earlier question
jd: michael, put on wiki that I will pose question, but i can't find the "equivalent' text. they don't need to chagne anything. shold I just email and say apa doens't have concerns
mc: presentation api? changing wiki to spec review complete
<MichaelC> Spec Reviews
mc: added categories: active,
complete, defered, needed, not checked not needed
... needed means we want to review, but haven't foudn someone
to do it
... not checked is new stuff on the radar
... in not checked category, there are 19 pages. not sure how
to prioritize.
... do we need to check xpath and xquery
sm: no
mc: csv on the web?
sm: we already did. should be fine
mc: aria in html. do we need to check?
js: probably not at this point
mc: clipboard api and events?
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Clipboard_API_and_events
cs: probalby should look at that. copy/paste sometimes drop a11y data
mb: I'll take the action
<MichaelC> ACTION: Michiel to review Clipboard API and events http://www.w3.org/TR/clipboard-apis/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-apa-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2016 - Review clipboard api and events http://www.w3.org/tr/clipboard-apis/ [on Michiel Bijl - due 2016-03-09].
<MichaelC> action-2016?
<trackbot> action-2016 -- Michiel Bijl to Review clipboard api and events http://www.w3.org/tr/clipboard-apis/ -- due 2016-03-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2016
mc: css round display level 1
fe: i already looked at it. has
same problem with read, tab, dom order as flexbox
... primarily aimed towards watches.
mc: will need to dig up review
because it was done before we were tracking
... active?
js: I think we decided to look at it with flexbox and grid layout. were going to discuss at tpac.
mc: marking as defered with note about fred's findings, need to find older activity and put in wiki
jf: jsut did a quick look at csv on web. it's all about metadata. don't think we need to look at them.
mc: now have 11 needing checks
jf: can also take out frame timing, because it's mostly at the system level, no ui or interaction
<MichaelC> HTML Imports
mc: html imports are a way to include html docs in other html docs
<ShaneM> hysterical. we had this in XHTML2
js: I think if we have issues, it would be with markup not import mechanics
jf: what about conflicts?
mc: doc.write disabled on
imported documents
... could that interfere with assistive communication
devices?
jf: if you have javascript with aria injection
mc: sounds like we should look at it
js: talk with leonie when she's here
mc: set as spec review needed
<JF> Might want to drop Network Error Logging as well Michael
sm: take-away for this
group...
... the web payments workign group is prohibited from doing ux
work.
... to the extent that spec defines any user interaction, it's
all about what the user agent shoudl expose.
... from our perspective, the challenge will be that, because
there are no ux prescritions, it's goign to be hard to give
a11y requiremetns
... the api they're working on is a monolithic api. think of it
as a "checkout api".
... click checkout, merchant will make a ball of JSON and pass
it off to the user agent. then user agent takes over, may have
AT. user agent may interact with an external agent, like a
special wallet. We have no idea what happens in either of these
steps. comes back with success or failure to merchant.
... we have over-arching w3c UA requriements. If we think these
are good enough for UI of User Agent (the "chrome" or
"frame")
khs: we need to talk about not blocking accessibility apis from interacting with this api or its results
js: my concern is that what we're
going to find we need is more control over UI in order to
support accessibility. We need it to work in various kinds of
enviroments, not just desktop. might be noisy, etc. May not be
ok to give the same ui to everyone and let at sort it
out.
... need very targeted info. Not slow down the process.
... highlighitng of key points, may need personalization
... PAUR is different than MAUR because it's not media types,
it's more about levels of tolerance for what user can/can't
handle
<JF> Cloud Browser TF: https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page/Cloud_Browser_TF
jf: did I understand correctly that this is brower chrome not webpage?
sm: that is one possible implementation, yes
jf: I've been looking at cloud-based browser. they may have problems with connecting at. there might be an interop relationship there we need to track
<Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to talk about AT access to the payment UI
sm: janina and katie said that we
might want more detailed access. The challenge is that we don't
want to expose info that I don't want to get out.
... good example is lastpass. it uses the AT hooks in Android.
It has access to everything in the screen. I can imagine UA
developers being resistant to exposing that to outside
agents
<Zakim> cyns, you wanted to say this reminds me of drm in publishing
<ShaneM> good point - user footprint is waaay larger than developer.
<ShaneM> I could see permission settings that get exposed to ATs so that the user actually is aware of what an AT has access to.
<cyns_> scribe: cyns_
js: should we run a doodle poll to discuss web payemnts
sm: yes
... user agents have a permission model now. maybe we could use
that for AT access to web payment details?
js: need to review in more
detail.
... let's put together another call
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