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16:41:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:41:57 <trackbot> Date: 02 March 2016
16:42:04 <janina> agenda?
16:42:10 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
16:42:10 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
16:42:10 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:42:10 <janina> agenda+ Web Payments Next Steps -- Shane, Janina
16:42:11 <janina> agenda+ CSS Next Steps [See Below]
16:42:12 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:42:15 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
16:42:18 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:52:14 <janina>  zakim, next item
16:52:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:52:20 <janina> present+ Janina
16:52:23 <janina> Chair: Janina
16:56:11 <MichielBijl> present+ Michiel_Bijl
16:56:22 <MichielBijl> regrets+ Léonie_Watson
16:56:31 <JF> Present+ JF
16:56:57 <MichielBijl> regrets+ Gottfried_Zimmermann
16:57:10 <janina> Regrets: Leonie, Gottfried
16:57:12 <MichielBijl> regrets+ Mary_Jo
16:57:27 <MichielBijl> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:57:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl
16:58:39 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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17:00:03 <MichaelC> MichaelC has changed the topic to: APA Teleconference; Wednesday 2 March at 17:00Z; Webex 647 857 439 https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf439584d181075a804580b9894ce6c1d password apa
17:02:17 <fesch> present+ fesch
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17:05:17 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
17:05:23 <fesch> bizarrely I got dropped
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17:06:51 <cyns> scribe nick cyns
17:06:59 <MichielBijl> tribe: cyns
17:07:07 <cyns> scribe: cyns
17:07:30 <JF> agenda?
17:07:55 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
17:08:35 <cyns> js: can anyone volunteer to look at community groups this week?
17:08:38 <cyns> jf: I will
17:08:44 <JF> ACTION: JF to look at Community groups for next week
17:08:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2015 - Look at community groups for next week [on John Foliot - due 2016-03-09].
17:09:02 <cyns> js: US moves to daylight time in 2 weeks. We'll be out of synch with EU for a bit
17:09:36 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:09:44 <cyns> mb: changed jobs. now with Paciello
17:09:51 <cyns> (all) congrats
17:10:56 <cyns> zakim take up next item
17:11:12 <cyns> zakim, next item
17:11:12 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
17:11:41 <MichaelC> action-2008?
17:11:41 <trackbot> action-2008 -- John Foliot to Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1/ -- due 2016-02-10 -- OPEN
17:11:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2008
17:11:44 <MichaelC> action-2006?
17:11:44 <trackbot> action-2006 -- John Foliot to Draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on eme https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ -- due 2016-02-10 -- OPEN
17:11:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2006
17:11:58 <cyns> jf: need another week
17:12:15 <MichaelC> action-2006 due 1 week
17:12:15 <trackbot> Set action-2006 Draft comment to ensure authoring guidance is provide on eme https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ due date to 2016-03-09.
17:12:18 <MichaelC> action-2008 due 1 week
17:12:19 <trackbot> Set action-2008 Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1/ due date to 2016-03-09.
17:12:29 <joanie> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Presentation_API
17:12:38 <cyns> jd: done
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17:12:52 <cyns> jd: for the most part, not user interface.
17:13:21 <cyns> jd: exceptions 1) implmentors are encouraged to show users whethr an availbl display is in use...
17:13:30 <cyns> jd: I think it's covered by otehr specs
17:14:21 <cyns> jd: 2) "if any of the following steps fails, abort all remaining steps and close the ... human readable message..." do we want to point out cognitive issues or refer to cogat  tf
17:15:16 <cyns> mc: think you'll get either too much or too little from them... don't think it's critical to have them review
17:15:38 <cyns> jd: some other notes. "using a ... mechanism" is vague, but not user facing
17:16:30 <cyns> jd: "... in response to a window-close equivalent..." what is the equivalent? real window close would result in aapi signals to ATs. Do we need to worry about that?
17:17:06 <cyns> cs: I think that's valid feedback. What is equivalent
17:18:14 <cyns> jd: the reason I was concerned about this was how will it be rendered on the recieving end. spec says to navigate to the resource URL, which covers my concerns.
17:18:34 <cyns> mc: might still be concerns...
17:18:37 <cyns> jd: next steps?
17:19:39 <cyns> mc: ask as an inidividual, decide on formal comments based on answer
17:20:26 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
17:20:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
17:21:15 <MichaelC> action-1762?
17:21:15 <trackbot> action-1762 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Review http://www.w3.org/tr/csp-cookies/ content security policy: cookie controls to see if a11y issues or not -- due 2016-02-10 -- OPEN
17:21:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1762
17:21:18 <MichaelC> action-1762 due 1 week
17:21:19 <trackbot> Set action-1762 Review http://www.w3.org/tr/csp-cookies/ content security policy: cookie controls to see if a11y issues or not due date to 2016-03-09.
17:21:23 <cyns> khs: haven't done yet
17:22:08 <MichaelC> action-2014?
17:22:08 <trackbot> action-2014 -- Fred Esch to Review micropub https://www.w3.org/tr/micropub/ -- due 2016-02-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:22:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2014
17:22:34 <cyns> fe: review micro-pub. it's really early. we shoudl look at it in a year or so
17:22:47 <cyns> fe: no api for alternative text and captions
17:23:00 <cyns> js: maybe send them a note now so they address it early
17:23:11 <JF> Q+
17:23:15 <cyns> fe: could, but they don't have any server-side stuff
17:23:21 <cyns> js: can do later
17:23:33 <JF> ack JF
17:23:38 <janina> q?
17:23:58 <cyns> js: is there a way to keep defered ist?
17:24:10 <cyns> mc: on wiki?
17:24:20 <cyns> js: put a future date on an action
17:24:42 <cyns> mc: prefer to do in wiki
17:25:04 <joanie> q+ for quick follow-up on my earlier question
17:29:27 <cyns> zakim, next item
17:29:27 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, cyns
17:29:37 <janina> q?
17:29:45 <janina> ack joa
17:29:45 <Zakim> joanie, you wanted to discuss quick follow-up on my earlier question
17:30:28 <cyns> jd: michael, put on wiki that I will pose question, but i can't find the "equivalent' text. they don't need to chagne anything. shold I just email and say apa doens't have concerns
17:30:44 <cyns> mc: presentation api? changing wiki to spec review complete
17:31:36 <cyns> zakim, next item
17:31:36 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
17:31:39 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review Spec Reviews
17:32:10 <cyns> mc: added categories: active, complete, defered, needed, not checked not needed
17:32:20 <cyns> mc: needed means we want to review, but haven't foudn someone to do it
17:32:28 <cyns> mc: not checked is new stuff on the radar
17:32:56 <cyns> mc: in not checked category, there are 19 pages. not sure how to prioritize.
17:33:29 <cyns> mc: do we need to check xpath and xquery
17:33:34 <cyns> sm: no
17:33:46 <cyns> mc: csv on the web?
17:33:54 <cyns> sm: we already did. should be fine
17:34:07 <cyns> mc: aria in html. do we need to check?
17:34:24 <cyns> js: probably not at this point
17:34:40 <cyns> mc: clipboard api and events?
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17:34:49 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Clipboard_API_and_events
17:35:19 <cyns> cs: probalby should look at that. copy/paste sometimes drop a11y data
17:35:36 <cyns> mb: I'll take the action
17:36:13 <MichaelC> action: Michiel to review Clipboard API and events http://www.w3.org/TR/clipboard-apis/
17:36:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2016 - Review clipboard api and events http://www.w3.org/tr/clipboard-apis/ [on Michiel Bijl - due 2016-03-09].
17:36:57 <MichaelC> action-2016?
17:36:57 <trackbot> action-2016 -- Michiel Bijl to Review clipboard api and events http://www.w3.org/tr/clipboard-apis/ -- due 2016-03-09 -- OPEN
17:36:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2016
17:36:59 <cyns> mc: css round display level 1
17:37:23 <cyns> fe: i already looked at it. has same problem with read, tab, dom order as flexbox
17:37:33 <cyns> fe: primarily aimed towards watches.
17:37:53 <cyns> mc: will need to dig up review because it was done before we were tracking
17:38:10 <cyns> mc: active?
17:38:35 <cyns> js: I think we decided to look at it with flexbox and grid layout. were going to discuss at tpac.
17:38:58 <cyns> mc: marking as defered with note about fred's findings, need to find older activity and put in wiki
17:39:29 <cyns> jf: jsut did a quick look at csv on web. it's all about metadata. don't think we need to look at them.
17:39:46 <cyns> mc: now have 11 needing checks
17:40:39 <cyns> jf: can also take out frame timing, because it's mostly at the system level, no ui or interaction
17:41:18 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/html-imports/ HTML Imports
17:42:01 <cyns> mc: html imports are a way to include html docs in other html docs
17:42:09 <ShaneM> hysterical.  we had this in XHTML2
17:42:32 <cyns> js: I think if we have issues, it would be with markup not import mechanics
17:42:38 <cyns> jf: what about conflicts?
17:42:55 <cyns> mc: doc.write disabled on imported documents
17:43:16 <cyns> mc: could that interfere with assistive communication devices?
17:43:18 <ShaneM> q+ to talk about doc.write
17:43:28 <cyns> jf: if you have javascript with aria injection
17:43:35 <cyns> mc: sounds like we should look at it
17:43:41 <cyns> js: talk with leonie when she's here
17:43:49 <cyns> mc: set as spec review needed
17:44:08 <ShaneM> q- ShaneM
17:44:31 <JF> Might want to drop Network Error Logging as well Michael
17:44:37 <cyns> zakim, next item
17:44:37 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Web Payments Next Steps -- Shane, Janina" taken up [from janina]
17:45:25 <cyns> sm: take-away for this group...
17:45:39 <cyns> sm: the web payments workign group is prohibited from doing ux work.
17:46:00 <cyns> sm: to the extent that spec defines any user interaction, it's all about what the user agent shoudl expose.
17:46:32 <janina> q?
17:46:33 <cyns> sm: from our perspective, the challenge will be that, because there are no ux prescritions, it's goign to be hard to give a11y requiremetns
17:47:04 <cyns> sm: the api they're working on is a monolithic api. think of it as a "checkout api".
17:48:18 <Ryladog_> q+
17:48:19 <cyns> sm: click checkout, merchant will make a ball of JSON and pass it off to the user agent. then user agent takes over, may have AT. user agent may interact with an external agent, like a special wallet. We have no idea what happens in either of these steps. comes back with success or failure to merchant.
17:48:57 <cyns> sm: we have over-arching w3c UA requriements. If we think these are good enough for UI of User Agent (the "chrome" or "frame")
17:49:04 <janina> ack r
17:49:08 <janina> q+
17:49:19 <JF> Q+
17:49:40 <cyns> khs: we need to talk about not blocking accessibility apis from interacting with this api or its results
17:50:03 <ShaneM> q+ to talk about AT access to the payment UI
17:50:14 <JF> ack jan
17:51:00 <cyns> js: my concern is that what we're going to find we need is more control over UI in order to support accessibility. We need it to work in various kinds of enviroments, not just desktop. might be noisy, etc. May not be ok to give the same ui to everyone and let at sort it out.
17:51:28 <cyns> js: need very targeted info. Not slow down the process.
17:51:53 <cyns> js: highlighitng of key points, may need personalization
17:52:21 <janina> ack ja
17:52:23 <janina> ack jf
17:52:26 <cyns> js: PAUR is different than MAUR because it's not media types, it's more about levels of tolerance for what user can/can't handle
17:52:38 <JF> Cloud Browser TF: https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page/Cloud_Browser_TF
17:52:46 <cyns> jf: did I understand correctly that this is brower chrome not webpage?
17:52:55 <cyns> sm: that is one possible implementation, yes
17:53:33 <janina> q?
17:53:34 <cyns> jf: I've been looking at cloud-based browser. they may have problems with connecting at. there might be an interop relationship there we need to track
17:53:37 <ShaneM> ack ShaneM
17:53:37 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to talk about AT access to the payment UI
17:53:39 <janina> ack sh
17:54:30 <cyns> sm: janina and katie said that we might want more detailed access. The challenge is that we don't want to expose info that I don't want to get out.
17:55:17 <cyns> sm: good example is lastpass. it uses the AT hooks in Android. It has access to everything in the screen. I can imagine UA developers being resistant to exposing that to outside agents
17:55:30 <cyns> q+ to say this reminds me of drm in publishing
17:55:33 <Rich> q+
17:55:58 <janina> ack c
17:55:58 <Zakim> cyns, you wanted to say this reminds me of drm in publishing
17:56:33 <janina> ack r
17:56:50 <ShaneM> good point - user footprint is waaay larger than developer.
17:57:41 <ShaneM> I could see permission settings that get exposed to ATs so that the user actually is aware of what an AT has access to.
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17:59:01 <cyns_> js: should we run a doodle poll to discuss web payemnts
17:59:04 <cyns_> sm: yes
17:59:35 <cyns_> sm: user agents have a permission model now. maybe we could use that for AT access to web payment details?
17:59:46 <cyns_> js: need to review in more detail.
17:59:59 <cyns_> js: let's put together another call
18:00:38 <cyns_> zakim, bye
18:00:38 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Janina, Michiel_Bijl, JF, Joanmarie_Diggs, fesch, MichaelC, ShaneM, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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18:00:57 <cyns_> rrsagent, make minutes
18:00:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-apa-minutes.html cyns_
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18:01:21 <janina> rrsagent, bye
18:01:21 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-apa-actions.rdf :
18:01:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JF to look at Community groups for next week [1]
18:01:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-apa-irc#T17-08-44
18:01:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michiel to review Clipboard API and events http://www.w3.org/TR/clipboard-apis/ [2]
18:01:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-apa-irc#T17-36-13