Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference -- 05 Dec 2014

<trackbot> Date: 05 December 2014

<cgueret> \o/

<cgueret> hi zakim!

<yaso_> \o/

<yaso_> All the robots in da haus :-)

<Caroline> we don't hear anything

<yaso_> we’ll dial again.

<cgueret> Hello!

<Caroline> who called alerady?

<cgueret> Zakim: who is here ?

<yaso_> can you hear us?

<cgueret> yep!

<riccardoAlbertoni> yes; I can hear you!

<Caroline> Hadley, can you hear us?

<yaso_> @hadleybeeman, are you on the phone?

<lewismc> Yes lets start

<AdrianoPereira> Hi, I am trying to connect by phone. My gtalk is not working... I will try again.

<yaso_> Scribe?

<yaso_> scribe: SumitPurohit

<yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-01

propose, last call meeting minutes

<yaso_> PROPOSED: aprove last call minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-01

PROPOSED, last call meeting minutes

<yaso_> +1

<riccardoAlbertoni> 0 (sorry, I was not present )

<cgueret> +1

<newton> +1

<annette_g> +1

<AdrianoPereira> +1

<nathalia> +1

0( Not presentt)

<Caroline> +1

<lewismc> +1

APPROVED, aprove last call minutes

<laufer> +1

<yaso_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141205

yaso: start with action 114

<yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/114

<AdrianoPereira> Ok

can i know who is speaking ?

<newton> is AdrianoPereira

AdrianoPereira: there are 6 data enrichment requirements which he is going to describe
... I will complete the it today and update the group then group will close the action

<yaso_> action 120

http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/120

<yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/120

<laufer> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadata

<yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/123

laufer: I have 2 actions 120 and 123

<laufer> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#licenses

laufer, Now we need to not write just example but "final thing"

<yaso_> If I understood, Laufer is proposing to close the 120, because we don’t need examples

<BernadetteLoscio> im without audio

Caroline, examples is not for best practice documents

<BernadetteLoscio> but id like to explain one thing

<BernadetteLoscio> yes... te example is not for the BP document

<yaso_> Please, BernadetteLoscio, write it here :-)

<BernadetteLoscio> it was just to help the understanding of the metadata

<laufer> ok

laufer , I can propose to write example about metadata. Everyone else should write for their corresponding section

<yaso_> ACTION: SumitPurohit to write example about metadata [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/05-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-133 - to write example about metadata [on Sumit Purohit - due 2014-12-12].

<annette_g> -!

<yaso_> Close action 120

<annette_g> -1

<laufer> about the action 123 I will send an email asking for comments of the group

<laufer> I wrote a description for metadata section

laufer: Write an email about explaining this
... to group

<yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/121

<yaso_> Ig_Bittencourt_: can write about action 121?

Now http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/125

newton: I could not work on this action
... I will work on it by next tuesday

<Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to say I can help

newton: Can anyone help..

annette_g: I can help

<cgueret> can help newton on action 125 too

<lewismc> I am very keen to work on/help on the data versioning issues

newton: I will email annette_g about what to do

<newton> Thanks annette_g and cgueret :-)

<lewismc> They are very relevant and important to our scientific missions

<yaso_> The issues: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Issues_vs_BP_Document

BernadetteLoscio: We have sent message asking for content on github

<Caroline> The content BernadetteLoscio is talking about is on http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

<yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/56

<yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73 and >

<yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/56

<Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page

<newton> Thank you lewismc, I'll email you all to explain what we're going to do on the data versioning section, ok?

<cgueret> I can take care of producing something for issue 62 and 63, and then comment in https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Issues_vs_BP_Document

Caroline: We have deadline on Monday and need everyone's feedback on github page.

<Caroline> Also need that the contributors put more content on github or on the wiki

BernadetteLoscio: For each section we need to have best practice about concerning metadata

<yaso_> BernadetteLoscio suggests that we write an example of Bests Practices to each section

<yaso_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Issues_vs_BP_Document

<yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/74

<yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/76

Caroline: Are we going to directly write on github ?
... If people can write directly on github, it is better for everyone

<cgueret> and people can use the BP templates in the wiki if they want to write things there ;-)

<cgueret> yep!

Caroline: However if you prefer otherwise, they can do on wiki as everything which is on wiki is mirrored on github

<yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/68

<annette_g> can we have some context?

yaso_: on F2F we talked about data not connected with concept of ontology.
... is "structure" is connected with 5 star data ?

BernadetteLoscio: "structure" is NOT connected with 5 star data

CSV , XML is structure data....we dont need ontologies

<annette_g> +1 to BernadetteLoscio

<yaso_> +1

<nathalia> +1 to BernadetteLoscio

<cgueret> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_model

laufer: agree with BernadetteLoscio

<cgueret> +1 to say that's different things

laufer: Do we mean "Machine Readable" structure ?

<cgueret> you can have (semi)structured data in a scanned document within a PDF

<nathalia> +1 to annette_g

<cgueret> another nice definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-structured_model

Thanks cgueret

<yaso_> BernadetteLoscio, newton

<cgueret> Yep but I think we need both the glossary AND the example

BernadetteLoscio: Instead of having term in definition, we should also have example of use of this term . I hope to finish it today and share with group

<yaso_> +1 to cgueret

<riccardoAlbertoni> I agree with cgueret, we need both definitions and examples.

<AdrianoPereira> I have published the new use case for "Web Observatory", which demands requirements for Data Enrichment. It is published in the Second Round Use Cases: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases Any comments or suggestions can be send to me. ACTION-114 can be closed now.

<laufer> +1 to Bernadette

<AdrianoPereira> +1

<laufer> Maybe we can also have a more rich glossary where we can put examples...

<cgueret> we can re-use http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/

<riccardoAlbertoni> BernadetteLoscio, if a definition is already provided I think we have to refer to it, I like the idea of wiki for contribute in definitions.

<cgueret> some months ago we already discussed either extending this document or have our own glossary

<Caroline> +1

<cgueret> don't remember what was decided though...

<cgueret> :)

<Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to ask a stupid question

<riccardoAlbertoni> sorry, I did't get the question ..

<cgueret> me neither

annette_g: are we repeating the efforts with glossary with what we have doe with vocabulary ?

<cgueret> Is not that two different things ?

<yaso_> since we are developing a vocab, it is not a double effort? The vocab should not be the glossary?

<cgueret> by "vocabulary" you refer to the vocabulary part of the group right ?

<yaso_> yes

<cgueret> they worked on ontologies, not a glossary

<cgueret> so that's fine it's not duplicate work

<cgueret> but +1 to open an action to sort this out

<scribe> ACTION: cgueret send email to the group asking for clarification about glossary and vocabulary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/05-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-134 - send email to the group asking for clarification about glossary and vocabulary [on Annette Greiner - due 2014-12-12].

<lewismc> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use-Cases_Requirements_RDF#Potential_requirements

<cgueret> ACTION: annette_g send email to the group asking for clarification about glossary and vocabulary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/05-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Send email to the group asking for clarification about glossary and vocabulary [on Annette Greiner - due 2014-12-12].

<cgueret> close action-134

<trackbot> Closed action-134.

<yaso_> lewismc, SumitPurohit

<BernadetteLoscio> hi Hadley!

<cgueret> thx, bye!

<BernadetteLoscio> thank you!

<laufer> bye all, nice wkd

<hadleybeeman> Hello! I was on holiday and mixed up the time zones.

<riccardoAlbertoni> bye, good weekend

thanks everyone

<nathalia> bye

<annette_g> Hi Hadley, and Bye everyone

<AdrianoPereira> Bye!

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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

05 Dec 2014

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