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14:08:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
14:08:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started
14:08:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14:08:19 <trackbot> Date: 05 December 2014
14:08:27 <cgueret> \o/
14:08:28 <yaso_> zakim, this will be dwbp
14:08:29 <Zakim> ok, yaso_, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started
14:08:30 <cgueret> hi zakim!
14:08:33 <yaso_> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:08:38 <yaso_> \o/
14:08:40 <Zakim> -??P6
14:08:44 <yaso_> All the robots in da haus :-)
14:08:46 <newton> newton has joined #dwbp
14:08:57 <nathalia> Zakim, yaso has nathalia
14:08:57 <Zakim> sorry, nathalia, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso'
14:09:03 <yaso_> Zakim, Caroline has Yaso_, nathalia and Newton
14:09:03 <Zakim> +Yaso_, nathalia, Newton; got it
14:09:05 <Zakim> +??P17
14:09:13 <cgueret> Zakim, ??P17 is me
14:09:13 <Zakim> +cgueret; got it
14:09:16 <cgueret> zakim, mute me
14:09:16 <Zakim> cgueret should now be muted
14:09:36 <Caroline> we don't hear anything
14:09:46 <yaso_> we’ll dial again.
14:09:50 <Zakim> -Caroline_
14:09:53 <cgueret> Hello!
14:09:59 <Caroline> who called alerady?
14:10:10 <Zakim> +Caroline_
14:10:16 <yaso_> Zakim, who is in the phone?
14:10:16 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, yaso_.
14:10:17 <cgueret> Zakim: who is here ?
14:10:27 <yaso_> can you hear us?
14:10:28 <cgueret> yep!
14:11:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:11:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> yes; I can hear you!
14:11:13 <laufer> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:11:13 <Zakim> +laufer; got it
14:11:15 <Caroline> Hadley, can you hear us?
14:11:20 <laufer> zakim, mute me
14:11:20 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
14:11:36 <yaso_> @hadleybeeman, are you on the phone?
14:12:08 <lewismc> Yes lets start
14:12:17 <AdrianoPereira> Hi, I am trying to connect by phone. My gtalk is not working... I will try again.
14:12:26 <yaso_> Scribe?
14:12:41 <annette_g> annette_g has joined #dwbp
14:12:44 <cgueret> Zakim, pick a victim
14:12:44 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose annette_g
14:13:14 <yaso_> scribe: SumitPurohit
14:13:20 <yaso_> chair: yaso
14:13:23 <Zakim> +??P18
14:13:36 <AdrianoPereira> Zakim, ??18 is AdrianoPereira
14:13:36 <Zakim> sorry, AdrianoPereira, I do not recognize a party named '??18'
14:13:44 <yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-01
14:14:20 <AdrianoPereira> Zakim, ??P18 is AdrianoPereira
14:14:20 <Zakim> +AdrianoPereira; got it
14:14:21 <SumitPurohit> propose, last call meeting minutes
14:14:46 <yaso_> PROPOSED: aprove last call minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-01
14:14:51 <SumitPurohit> PROPOSED, last call meeting minutes
14:14:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:15:00 <yaso_> +1
14:15:04 <riccardoAlbertoni> 0 (sorry, I was not present )
14:15:07 <cgueret> +1
14:15:07 <newton> +1
14:15:09 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
14:15:09 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it
14:15:09 <annette_g> +1
14:15:10 <AdrianoPereira> +1
14:15:11 <nathalia> +1
14:15:18 <SumitPurohit> 0( Not presentt)
14:15:30 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
14:15:30 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted
14:15:36 <Caroline> +1
14:15:44 <lewismc> +1
14:15:56 <SumitPurohit> APPROVED, aprove last call minutes
14:15:56 <laufer> +1
14:16:09 <yaso_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141205
14:16:33 <SumitPurohit> yaso : start with action 104
14:16:36 <yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/114
14:16:37 <AdrianoPereira> Ok
14:17:02 <newton> s/action 104/action 114
14:17:06 <SumitPurohit> cna i know who is speaking ?
14:17:15 <SumitPurohit> s/cna/can
14:17:21 <newton> is AdrianoPereira
14:17:26 <Ig_Bittencourt_> Ig_Bittencourt_ has joined #DWBP
14:18:12 <SumitPurohit> AdrianoPereira: there are 6 data enrichment requirements which he is going to describe
14:19:34 <SumitPurohit> AdrianoPereira: I will complete the it today and update the group then group will close the action
14:19:56 <yaso_> action 120
14:20:00 <SumitPurohit> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/120
14:20:04 <yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/120
14:20:06 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
14:20:06 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted
14:20:49 <laufer> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadata
14:20:50 <yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/123
14:20:55 <SumitPurohit> yaso: I have 2 actions 120 and 123
14:21:12 <SumitPurohit> s/yaso/laufer
14:21:51 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
14:22:35 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio
14:22:56 <laufer> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#licenses
14:23:10 <yaso_> q?
14:24:37 <SumitPurohit> laufer, Now we need to not write just example but "final thing"
14:24:58 <yaso_> If I understood, Laufer is proposing to close the 120, because we don’t need examples
14:25:06 <Caroline> q+
14:25:25 <yaso_> ack BernadetteLoscio
14:25:36 <yaso_> ack Car
14:25:40 <yaso_> ack Caroline
14:25:53 <BernadetteLoscio> im without audio
14:26:02 <SumitPurohit> Caroline, examples is not for best practice documents
14:26:04 <BernadetteLoscio> but id like to explain one thing
14:26:24 <BernadetteLoscio> yes... te example is not for the BP document
14:26:30 <yaso_> Please, BernadetteLoscio, write it here :-)
14:26:39 <BernadetteLoscio> it was just to help the understanding of the metadata
14:26:42 <annette_g> q+
14:27:18 <laufer> ok
14:27:27 <laufer> zakim, mute me
14:27:27 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
14:27:31 <annette_g> q-
14:27:36 <laufer> ok
14:27:40 <SumitPurohit> laufer , I can propose to write example about metadata. Everyone else should write for their corresponding section
14:28:44 <yaso_> action: SumitPurohit  to write example about metadata
14:28:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-133 -  to write example about metadata [on Sumit Purohit - due 2014-12-12].
14:29:02 <annette_g> -!
14:29:02 <yaso_> Close action 120
14:29:06 <annette_g> -1
14:29:07 <yaso_> q?
14:29:12 <annette_g> q+
14:29:29 <yaso_> Ack annette_g
14:30:01 <laufer> about the action 123 I will send an email asking for comments of the group
14:30:29 <laufer> I wrote a description for metadata section
14:31:07 <SumitPurohit> laufer: Write an email about explaining this
14:31:20 <SumitPurohit> ...to group
14:31:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:31:31 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
14:31:31 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it
14:31:41 <yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/121
14:31:57 <yaso_> Ig_Bittencourt_: can write about action 121?
14:32:27 <SumitPurohit> Now http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/125
14:32:51 <SumitPurohit> newton: I could not work on this action
14:33:12 <SumitPurohit> newton: I will work on it by next tuesday
14:33:17 <annette_g> q+ to say I can help
14:33:27 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
14:33:27 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted
14:33:29 <yaso_> Ack annette_g
14:33:29 <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to say I can help
14:33:39 <SumitPurohit> newton: Can anyone help..
14:33:50 <SumitPurohit> annette_g: I can help
14:34:11 <cgueret> can help newton on action 125 too
14:34:43 <lewismc> I am very keen to work on/help on the data versioning issues
14:34:48 <SumitPurohit> newton: I will email annette_g about what to do
14:34:48 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
14:34:48 <newton> Thanks annette_g and cgueret :-)
14:34:57 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio
14:34:57 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted
14:35:00 <yaso_> Ack BernadetteLoscio
14:35:03 <lewismc> They are very relevant and important to our scientific missions
14:35:22 <yaso_> The issues: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Issues_vs_BP_Document
14:35:37 <SumitPurohit> BernadetteLoscio: We have sent message asking for content on github
14:35:52 <Caroline> The content BernadetteLoscio is talking about is on http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html
14:35:58 <yaso_>  http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/56
14:36:05 <Caroline> q+
14:36:15 <yaso_> ack Caroline
14:36:41 <yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73 and >
14:36:42 <yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/56
14:36:50 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page
14:36:54 <newton> Thank you lewismc, I'll email you all to explain what we're going to do on the data versioning section, ok?
14:37:02 <cgueret> I can take care of producing something for issue 62 and 63, and then comment in https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Issues_vs_BP_Document
14:37:18 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
14:38:11 <yaso_> ack BernadetteLoscio
14:38:35 <SumitPurohit> Caroline:  We have deadline on Monday and need everyone's feedback on github page.
14:39:05 <Caroline> Also need that the contributors put more content on github or on the wiki
14:39:14 <SumitPurohit> BernadetteLoscio: For each section we need to have best practice about concerning metadata
14:39:25 <yaso_> BernadetteLoscio suggests that we write an example of Bests Practices to each section
14:40:23 <yaso_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Issues_vs_BP_Document
14:40:45 <yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/74
14:41:11 <yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/76
14:42:06 <SumitPurohit> Caroline: Are we going to directly write on github ?
14:42:24 <SumitPurohit> Caroline: If people can write directly on github, it is better for everyone
14:43:15 <cgueret> and people can use the BP templates in the wiki if they want to write things there ;-)
14:43:51 <cgueret> yep!
14:43:51 <yaso_> q?
14:43:59 <SumitPurohit> Caroline: However if you prefer otherwise, they can do on wiki as everything which is on wiki is mirrored on github
14:44:09 <yaso_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/68
14:44:42 <annette_g> can we have some context?
14:45:10 <SumitPurohit> yaso_: on F2F we talked about data not connected with concept of ontology.
14:45:11 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
14:45:11 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted
14:45:56 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
14:46:00 <yaso_> ack Berna
14:46:01 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio
14:46:02 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio
14:46:03 <yaso_> ack BernadetteLoscio
14:46:08 <SumitPurohit> yaso_: is "structure" is connected with 5 star data ?
14:46:30 <SumitPurohit> BernadetteLoscio: "structure" is NOT connected with 5 star data
14:46:44 <SumitPurohit> CSV , XML is structure data....we dont need onotlogies
14:46:53 <annette_g> +1 to BernadetteLoscio
14:47:00 <yaso_> +1
14:47:00 <SumitPurohit> s/onotlogies/ontologies
14:47:06 <nathalia> +1 to BernadetteLoscio
14:47:08 <cgueret> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_model
14:47:15 <laufer> q+
14:47:23 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
14:47:23 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted
14:47:24 <Ig_Bittencourt> Ig_Bittencourt has joined #DWBP
14:47:25 <yaso_> ack Laufer
14:48:00 <SumitPurohit> laufer: agree with BernadetteLoscio
14:48:05 <annette_g> q+
14:48:20 <yaso_> ack annette_g
14:48:25 <laufer> zakim, mute me
14:48:25 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
14:48:28 <cgueret> +1 to say that's different things
14:48:31 <SumitPurohit> laufer: Do we mean "Machine Readable" structure ?
14:48:43 <cgueret> you can have (semi)structured data in a scanned document within a PDF
14:48:50 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
14:48:50 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted
14:49:05 <nathalia> +1 to annette_g
14:50:05 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
14:50:05 <Zakim> laufer was not muted, laufer
14:50:27 <Caroline> zakim, who is talking?
14:50:37 <Zakim> Caroline, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.617.646.aabb (29%), laufer (5%)
14:50:39 <cgueret> another nice definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-structured_model
14:51:07 <laufer> zakim, mute me
14:51:08 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
14:51:14 <SumitPurohit> Thanks cgueret
14:51:31 <newton> Zakim, who is talking?
14:51:38 <yaso_> BernadetteLoscio, newton
14:51:42 <Zakim> newton, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:52:38 <cgueret> Yep but I think we need both the glossary AND the example
14:53:07 <SumitPurohit> BernadetteLoscio: Instead of having term in definition, we should also have example of use of this term . I hope to finish it today and share with group
14:53:12 <yaso_> +1 to cgueret
14:53:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> I agree with cgueret,  we need both definitions and examples.
14:54:23 <AdrianoPereira> I have published the new use case for "Web Observatory", which demands requirements for Data Enrichment. It is published in the Second Round Use Cases: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases Any comments or suggestions can be send to me. ACTION-114 can be closed now.
14:54:36 <laufer> +1 to Bernadette
14:55:18 <AdrianoPereira> +1
14:55:24 <laufer> Maybe we can also have a more rich glossary where we can put examples...
14:55:34 <cgueret> we can re-use http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/
14:55:50 <riccardoAlbertoni> BernadetteLoscio, if a definition is already provided I think we have to refer to it,  I like the idea of  wiki for contribute in definitions.
14:55:54 <cgueret> some months ago we already discussed either extending this document or have our own glossary
14:55:55 <Caroline> +1
14:56:06 <cgueret> don't remember what was decided though...
14:56:19 <cgueret> :)
14:56:26 <annette_g> q+ to ask a stupid question
14:56:37 <yaso_> ack annette_g
14:56:37 <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to ask a stupid question
14:57:15 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
14:57:15 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted
14:57:21 <riccardoAlbertoni> sorry, I did't get the question ..
14:57:32 <cgueret> me neither
14:57:35 <SumitPurohit> cgueret: are we repeating the efforts with glossary with  what we have doe with vocabulary ?
14:58:04 <cgueret> s/cgueret/annette_g
14:58:13 <cgueret> Is not that two different things ?
14:58:20 <yaso_> since we are developing a vocab, it is not a double effort? The vocab should not be the glossary?
14:58:33 <cgueret> by "vocabulary" you refer to the vocabulary part of the group right ?
14:58:40 <yaso_> yes
14:58:49 <cgueret> they worked on ontologies, not a glossary
14:59:09 <cgueret> so that's fine it's not duplicate work
14:59:31 <cgueret> but +1 to open an action to sort this out
15:00:20 <lewismc> q+
15:00:29 <yaso_> Ack lewismc
15:00:31 <SumitPurohit> ACTION: cgueret  send email to the group asking for clarification about glossary and vocabulary
15:00:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-134 -  send email to the group asking for clarification about glossary and vocabulary [on Christophe Gueret - due 2014-12-12].
15:00:59 <lewismc> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use-Cases_Requirements_RDF#Potential_requirements
15:01:01 <annette_g> s/[on Christophe Gueret/[on Annette Greiner
15:01:47 <cgueret> ACTION: annette_g send email to the group asking for clarification about glossary and vocabulary
15:01:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Send email to the group asking for clarification about glossary and vocabulary [on Annette Greiner - due 2014-12-12].
15:02:16 <cgueret> close action-134
15:02:16 <trackbot> Closed action-134.
15:02:22 <SumitPurohit> zakim, who is speaking
15:02:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', SumitPurohit
15:02:35 <yaso_> lewismc, SumitPurohit
15:02:46 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
15:03:10 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio
15:03:10 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted
15:04:29 <BernadetteLoscio> hi Hadley!
15:04:37 <Zakim> -Eric_Kauz
15:04:38 <cgueret> thx, bye!
15:04:38 <BernadetteLoscio> thank you!
15:04:39 <Zakim> - +1.626.487.aaaa
15:04:39 <laufer> bye all, nice wkd
15:04:42 <hadleybeeman> Hello! I was on holiday and mixed up the time zones.
15:04:42 <Zakim> -annette_g
15:04:43 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye, good weekend
15:04:43 <yaso_> zakim, generate minutes
15:04:44 <SumitPurohit> thanks everyone
15:04:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'generate minutes', yaso_
15:04:44 <nathalia> bye
15:04:47 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio
15:04:48 <Zakim> -Caroline_
15:04:57 <Zakim> -AdrianoPereira
15:05:00 <Zakim> -RiccardoAlbertoni
15:05:02 <Zakim> -laufer
15:05:08 <annette_g> Hi Hadley, and Bye everyone
15:05:15 <annette_g> annette_g has left #dwbp
15:05:19 <hadleybeeman> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:05:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/05-dwbp-minutes.html hadleybeeman
15:05:21 <AdrianoPereira> Bye!
15:05:28 <hadleybeeman> RRSAgent, make minutes public
15:05:28 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', hadleybeeman.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:05:58 <yaso_> rrsagent, please generate minutes
15:05:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/05-dwbp-minutes.html yaso_
15:06:27 <Zakim> -cgueret
15:07:32 <Zakim> - +1.617.646.aabb
15:07:34 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended
15:07:34 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.626.487.aaaa, RiccardoAlbertoni, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, +1.617.646.aabb, Yaso_, nathalia, Newton, cgueret, Caroline_, laufer, AdrianoPereira, BernadetteLoscio
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