SV_MEETING_TITLE -- 15 Aug 2014

<JoaoPauloAlmeida_> :-)

<phila> scribe: yaso

<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-08-08

PROPOSED: accept last week minutes

<HadleyBeeman> +1

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-08-08

<newton> +1

<JoaoPauloAlmeida_> (Zakim instructions include "is possibly", "is probably", "may be", ...)

<EricKauz> +1

<SumitPurohit> +1

<JoaoPauloAlmeida_> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot

<laufer> +1

<JoaoPauloAlmeida_> ;-)

<JoaoPauloAlmeida_> +1

TPAC

Actions:

HadleyBeeman: there area actions that are open, and we have things that have to be done for TPAC

… the first action is action 32

Actions

<phila> action-32?

<trackbot> action-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32

<JoaoPauloAlmeida_> action-32?

<trackbot> action-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32

… I’ve not done it yet, are any of you waiting for me to finish that?

<phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/samos/report

Phil: I was in Samos...

…It will be interesting if some of the people of the working group where there

<phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/samos/report#metadata

…the idea of having something coming from the government

…there’s a similar situation in Austria

HadleyBeeman: why your report is important for the group?

Phil: what the workshop are doing is providing use cases, experiences material for research

…that can end up being a use case for the working group

…that provides input to the Working Group that I hope can be used as evidence of the best practices

…in the next year, when the workshop series is finished

…in july 2016 this WG is supposed to finish

…It will be the time when our deliverables will be candidates to recommendation

…that has 45 partners

…is a pool of people that are commited to update guidelines or create new guidelines

<JoaoPauloAlmeida> that's an interesting way to collect evidence for best practices

<newton> laufer: I'm saying this because this is very common

<newton> ... even here in Brazil, the Pernambuco portal, they have directions to people how to publish their data

<phila> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/dcat_application_profile/asset_release/dcat-application-profile-data-portals-europe-final

<phila> December workshop http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/lisbon/

<newton> Yaso is with problems on internet

<yaso_> Sorry, I’m having problems with my connection

<yaso_> Newton, could you assume scribing from here for a while?

<newton> yes, ok

<yaso_> scribe: Newton

Laufer: that's different from brazilian

<phila> action-46?

<trackbot> action-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46

action-46

<trackbot> action-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46

HadleyBeeman: ask yaso about action 46

yaso_: I've started to do it, but not finished yet
... we're running an experience here on brazil
... trying to track pieces of trash
... I'm gonna try to write on the next week
... when it's finish I'll share the results with the group

yaso: I was think about that yestarday
... about the difference between small data and big data
... because small data is new for me
... anybody on the group heard about it?

<HadleyBeeman> /me newton, this is ivan

<yaso> http://smalldatagroup.com/

yaso: I was thinking about IoT related data
... it's a new concept for me
... and I think that we need to study a little more
... I don't know if we need to do it on the group ou just discuss about it

phila: ... it's related to IoT area

yaso: but I still think that we could look at some use cases related to it
... we can look at the data flow of Web of Things
... may there are some things on this data flow that we can study

HadleyBeeman: the action still open

scribe: ?

HadleyBeeman: spend a lot of time exploring

yaso: I think that the data flow, related to IoT and WoT, deserves attention
... we need to study two or three UC to learn about it

HadleyBeeman: ask for create a new action to yaso related to this topic

<scribe> ACTION: yaso to discover where the 46 fit in the deliverables [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/15-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Discover where the 46 fit in the deliverables [on Yaso Córdova - due 2014-08-22].

<phila> action-54?

<trackbot> action-54 -- Mark Harrison to Write to write up definitions on intrinsic metadata -- due 2014-07-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/54

HadleyBeeman: ... discussion where metadata is..
... waiting for mark

<phila> action-55?

<trackbot> action-55 -- Eric Stephan to Seek feedback on json-ld version of dcat schema, using, for example http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ with http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/55

action-47

<trackbot> action-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47

sorry, action-55

<HadleyBeeman> action-57?

<trackbot> action-57 -- Phil Archer to Invite markus lanthaler to a future vocabs call -- due 2014-07-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/57

phila: mark is interested in JSON-LD schema

<yaso> \o/

<yaso> scribe: yaso

<newton> thanks yaso :)

Phila: ruben was talking about APIs

…he wrote something around API

…they allow you to set up cool data based apps

…JSON-LD is part of that, smart APIs is part of that

…the DCAT schema only define

…namespaces

<HadleyBeeman> namespaces/terms from that namespace

HadleyBeeman: I want to ask what kind of app uses JSON-LD

<newton> yaso: we're building a parser to make feeds that are written on xml formmat

<newton> yaso: with tags of RDF

<newton> yaso: I was talking with some developers in Berlin where we discussed about IoT

<newton> ... they told me that don't like of RDF, they prefer JSON-LD

<newton> ... and they were telling to me how is difficult to get start with RDF

<newton> ... and how difficult to make things using RDF

<newton> ... the people don't do a lot of things with RDF

<newton> phila: it deppends on the context

<CarlosIglesias> sidenote: I foresee the same problems for JSON-LD as we had previously (and still now) with RDF/XML - people may be using that only as JSON or XML, not RDF

<CarlosIglesias> Have seen that with RDF/XML tons of times and start to see this also in JSON-LD

<newton> EricKauz: : json-ld is great idea

<newton> ... ?

<newton> (sorry, guys)

<HadleyBeeman> s/erickauz/ivan

<newton> yaso: I think that people have to design great apps showing the differences between the things that RDF can do and what JSON-LD can do

<EricKauz> +1 :)

<phila> +1

<SumitPurohit> +1

<newton> yaso: maybe a group of people can get together to talk about...

<HadleyBeeman> Should we perhaps write this up as a best practice?

<HadleyBeeman> "Use JSON when…. RDF is useful when…" etc

<newton> ivan: we said about json ... I don't want to waste my time writing a parser or something complicated

<newton> ... javascript is a language used a lot on the web

<newton> ... there are libraries to use RDF in python

<newton> laufer: just talk about if people use JSON-LD or RDF.. people confuse if use one or another

<JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to laufer

<newton> ... RDF model is one thing, RDF serialization is other thing

<newton> ivan: I mean if you talk with a developer... for 80% RDF is just a kind of xml

<newton> .... RDF is something very uggly

<JoaoPauloAlmeida> could it be that the problem for us is that they do not use RDFS?

<newton> ... the separation between the model and the syntax isn't obvious to many people

<newton> ... even the document may be clarified

<HadleyBeeman> +1 to yaso

<phila> RDF is lousy at lists...

https://github.com/W3CBrasil/OD4D

<newton> yaso: if you're writing a list or a simple graph, using RDF for that don't add value to the application

<phila> I don't think anyone disagrees with you, Yaso

<newton> yaso: it's hard to show to users that they are seeing things in different ways

<JoaoPauloAlmeida> it was not me

<phila> ACTION: Sumit to begin wiki page where we can collect cases where each tech is most appropriate [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/15-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Begin wiki page where we can collect cases where each tech is most appropriate [on Sumit Purohit - due 2014-08-22].

<phila> schema vs schema-less

<newton> JoaoPauloAlmeida: discuss about schema vs. schema-less for data

<newton> ivan: if you look at CSV is extremely simple structure

<newton> ... RDF requires a certain level of qualification to work with related data

<newton> scribe: yaso

<CarlosIglesias> completely agree: trees vs. graphs is the key issue here

Ivan: they are very used because they all rely on some sort of graph map

<HadleyBeeman> Can we demonstrate these differences with images? Tables vs trees vs graphs are much easier in pictures, I think.

<CarlosIglesias> that's why so many people are using XML (and likely to be happening the same with JSON-LD) serializations wrong

…and people are doing simple trees and simple lists for presenting their ideas

HadleyBeeman: we can certainly help people so that they can see the differences of ld and other data

<HadleyBeeman> action-59?

<trackbot> action-59 -- Phil Archer to Ask yaso to think about offering a tutorial on using github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. -- due 2014-07-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/59

Yes!

<HadleyBeeman> close action-59

<trackbot> Closed action-59.

<HadleyBeeman> ACTION: Yaso to set time for a tutorial on github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/15-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Set time for a tutorial on github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. [on Yaso Córdova - due 2014-08-22].

<newton> Yaso, I could help you with that

<ivan> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/publishing_process.md

Tks, Newton!

Bye

<laufer> bye, all

<CarlosIglesias> bye!

<JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye

- DRAFT -

SV_MEETING_TITLE

15 Aug 2014

Attendees

Contents

TPAC

Actions

Summary of Action Items

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