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12:52:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
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12:52:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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12:52:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:52:08 <trackbot> Date: 08 August 2014
12:54:10 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140808
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12:56:50 <hadleybeeman> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:00:19 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started
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13:00:26 <Zakim> +EricKauz
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13:00:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:00:54 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me
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13:00:54 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
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13:01:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:01:17 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, mute me
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13:01:17 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted
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13:01:21 <deirdrelee> zakim, {IPcaller} is me
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13:01:21 <Zakim> sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named '{IPcaller}'
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13:01:37 <deirdrelee> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Deirdre Lee: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
13:01:37 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
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13:01:40 <Zakim> +??P13
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13:01:47 <hadleybeeman> Zakim, code?
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13:01:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), hadleybeeman
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13:02:22 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
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13:03:09 <Zakim> + +1.516.944.aaaa
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13:03:36 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I get separation anxiety just from hearing this
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13:03:40 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> :-)
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13:03:53 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, unmute me
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13:03:53 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida should no longer be muted
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13:04:46 <laufer> hello, all
Carlos Laufer: hello, all ←
13:04:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Hi all..
Riccardo Albertoni: Hi all.. ←
13:05:39 <laufer> Hi, Ricardo
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13:06:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:06:50 <adler1> hadley: first thing is approving last week's meeting minutes
Hadley Beeman: first thing is approving last week's meeting minutes [ Scribe Assist by Steven Adler ] ←
13:06:57 <hadleybeeman> Scribe: adler1
(Scribe set to Steven Adler)
13:07:01 <laufer> zakim, ipcaller is me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
13:07:01 <Zakim> +laufer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +laufer; got it ←
13:07:11 <adler1> PROPOSED: approve last week's meeting minutes
PROPOSED: approve last week's meeting minutes ←
13:07:32 <adler1> PROPOSED: approve meeting minutes
PROPOSED: approve meeting minutes ←
13:07:35 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
Joao Almeida: +1 ←
13:07:49 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:07:55 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-25
Joao Almeida: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-25 ←
13:07:57 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
13:08:19 <MakxDekkers> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
13:08:35 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:08:50 <adler1> RESOLVED: approve meeting minutes
RESOLVED: approve meeting minutes ←
13:09:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
Joao Almeida: http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ ←
13:09:38 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:09:43 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
13:09:55 <hadleybeeman> Ack deirdrelee
Hadley Beeman: Ack deirdrelee ←
13:10:36 <adler1> deirdrelee: not sure if I can make it to TPAC
Deirdre Lee: not sure if I can make it to TPAC ←
13:10:43 <Zakim> +Makx_Dekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx_Dekkers ←
13:11:10 <gatemezi> I would like, but I can't be at TPAC this year..
Ghislain Atemezing: I would like, but I can't be at TPAC this year.. ←
13:11:40 <hadleybeeman> Sorry to hear that, gatemezi
Hadley Beeman: Sorry to hear that, gatemezi ←
13:12:08 <MakxDekkers> No funds to travel to TPAC, sorry
Makx Dekkers: No funds to travel to TPAC, sorry ←
13:12:27 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> given the Brazilian crowd, next f2f could be hear
Joao Almeida: given the Brazilian crowd, next f2f could be hear ←
13:12:30 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> we can provide the nice weather
Joao Almeida: we can provide the nice weather ←
13:12:31 <MakxDekkers> q+
Makx Dekkers: q+ ←
13:12:34 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> :-)
Joao Almeida: :-) ←
13:12:40 <hadleybeeman> Ack MakxDekkers
Hadley Beeman: Ack MakxDekkers ←
13:12:56 <deirdrelee> Link to ICEGOV: http://icegov.org/
Deirdre Lee: Link to ICEGOV: http://icegov.org/ ←
13:13:14 <Zakim> +ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan ←
13:13:15 <adler1> Makx: there is a sharedPSI meeting in Lisbon that is related
Makx Dekkers: there is a sharedPSI meeting in Lisbon that is related ←
13:13:31 <MakxDekkers> Share-PSI 2.0
Makx Dekkers: Share-PSI 2.0 ←
13:13:56 <MakxDekkers> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/
Makx Dekkers: http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/ ←
13:14:13 <newton> Zakim, who's here?
Newton Calegari: Zakim, who's here? ←
13:14:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, +1.516.944.aaaa, laufer (muted), ??P17, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, +1.516.944.aaaa, laufer (muted), ??P17, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan ←
13:14:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see ericstephan, newton, laufer, gatemezi, adler1, MakxDekkers, EricKauz, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, hadleybeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ericstephan, newton, laufer, gatemezi, adler1, MakxDekkers, EricKauz, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, hadleybeeman ←
13:14:22 <adler1> hadley: sharedpsi is a european union project to develop information sharing policies
Hadley Beeman: sharedpsi is a european union project to develop information sharing policies ←
13:14:30 <newton> Zakim, ??P17 is me
Newton Calegari: Zakim, ??P17 is me ←
13:14:31 <Zakim> +newton; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +newton; got it ←
13:14:40 <adler1> ... practically this means many of us will be there in Lisbon in December
... practically this means many of us will be there in Lisbon in December ←
13:16:18 <adler1> ... developing a list of issues - go to raise issues page in trackbot
... developing a list of issues - go to raise issues page in trackbot ←
13:16:48 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/raised
Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/raised ←
13:17:14 <adler1> deirdrelee: issue #4: add a matrix table to summarize use cases
Deirdre Lee: issue #4: add a matrix table to summarize use cases ←
13:17:42 <hadleybeeman> Issue-4?
13:17:42 <trackbot> Issue-4 -- Add a matrix table to summarize UCs vs challenges/requirements -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-4 -- Add a matrix table to summarize UCs vs challenges/requirements -- raised ←
13:17:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/4
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/4 ←
13:18:08 <hadleybeeman> gatemezi, are you here?
Hadley Beeman: gatemezi, are you here? ←
13:18:09 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> he is not on the phone
Joao Almeida: he is not on the phone ←
13:18:19 <gatemezi> LAst time, we discussed this point, and Bernadette said she was working on that...
Ghislain Atemezing: LAst time, we discussed this point, and Bernadette said she was working on that... ←
13:18:27 <gatemezi> ..if she needs help, I can help
Ghislain Atemezing: ..if she needs help, I can help ←
13:18:33 <gatemezi> ..no problem
Ghislain Atemezing: ..no problem ←
13:19:05 <gatemezi> ..So, I propose to postpone this and try to talk to Bernadette..
Ghislain Atemezing: ..So, I propose to postpone this and try to talk to Bernadette.. ←
13:19:16 <hadleybeeman> Thanks, gatemezi
Hadley Beeman: Thanks, gatemezi ←
13:19:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:19:24 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:19:24 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
13:19:41 <adler1> issue-8?
13:19:41 <trackbot> issue-8 -- Include more metadata about the use cases -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-8 -- Include more metadata about the use cases -- raised ←
13:19:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/8
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/8 ←
13:20:08 <adler1> ... existing use cases - people can amend that
... existing use cases - people can amend that ←
13:20:20 <adler1> yes, agree
yes, agree ←
13:20:53 <adler1> close issue-8
13:20:53 <trackbot> Closed issue-8.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-8. ←
13:21:05 <adler1> issue-10?
13:21:05 <trackbot> issue-10 -- Data usage meaning -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-10 -- Data usage meaning -- raised ←
13:21:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/10
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/10 ←
13:21:22 <adler1> issue-11?
13:21:22 <trackbot> issue-11 -- Color challenges and requirements -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-11 -- Color challenges and requirements -- raised ←
13:21:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/11
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/11 ←
13:25:01 <gatemezi> zakim, who is on the phone?
Ghislain Atemezing: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
13:25:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, +1.516.944.aaaa, laufer (muted), newton, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, +1.516.944.aaaa, laufer (muted), newton, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, antoine ←
13:25:08 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:25:26 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
13:25:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I will
Joao Almeida: I will ←
13:26:09 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, aaaa is adler1
Joao Almeida: Zakim, aaaa is adler1 ←
13:26:09 <Zakim> +adler1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +adler1; got it ←
13:26:45 <adler1> close issue-11
13:26:45 <trackbot> Closed issue-11.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-11. ←
13:26:54 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> antoine supports the idea of closing issue-11
Joao Almeida: antoine supports the idea of closing ISSUE-11 ←
13:27:01 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> agreeing with adler1
Joao Almeida: agreeing with adler1 ←
13:27:03 <adler1> issue-16?
13:27:03 <trackbot> issue-16 -- Improve Use case "Tracking of data usage" -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-16 -- Improve Use case "Tracking of data usage" -- raised ←
13:27:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/16
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/16 ←
13:28:22 <ericstephan> +q
Eric Stephan: +q ←
13:28:25 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to the similarity with issue-10
Joao Almeida: +1 to the similarity with ISSUE-10 ←
13:28:35 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:28:37 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1 points out that issue-16 is similar to issue-10
Joao Almeida: adler1 points out that ISSUE-16 is similar to ISSUE-10 ←
13:28:55 <adler1> deirdrelee: get real use cases for this
Deirdre Lee: get real use cases for this ←
13:29:09 <gatemezi> Interesting comment from Ordnance Survey: "if you use our Linked Data please let us know, or we might switch it off". Isn't it related to proper use of license ?
Ghislain Atemezing: Interesting comment from Ordnance Survey: "if you use our Linked Data please let us know, or we might switch it off". Isn't it related to proper use of license ? ←
13:29:20 <ericstephan> I will help out with this.
Eric Stephan: I will help out with this. ←
13:29:23 <antoine> gatemezi++
Antoine Isaac: gatemezi++ ←
13:29:44 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
Joao Almeida: q+ ←
13:30:16 <hadleybeeman> Zakim, who is on the call?
Hadley Beeman: Zakim, who is on the call? ←
13:30:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, adler1, laufer (muted), newton, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, adler1, laufer (muted), newton, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, antoine ←
13:30:25 <adler1> PROPOSEd: change use case 19 to linked ordinance survey use case
PROPOSED: change use case 19 to linked ordinance survey use case ←
13:30:31 <gatemezi> how can we let the machine infer on license statements? that's maybe the solution...
Ghislain Atemezing: how can we let the machine infer on license statements? that's maybe the solution... ←
13:30:35 <hadleybeeman> Ack ericstephan
Hadley Beeman: Ack ericstephan ←
13:30:45 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> action-47?
13:30:46 <trackbot> action-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN ←
13:30:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47 ←
13:30:47 <adler1> erics: action 47 has to do with proposed data usage definition
Eric Stephan: ACTION-47 has to do with proposed data usage definition ←
13:30:55 <adler1> ... linked to issue 10
13:31:08 <adler1> ... I would like to help out with 11
... I would like to help out with 16 ←
13:31:35 <antoine> s/with 11/with 16/
13:31:37 <hadleybeeman> @gatemezi, I think the Ordnance Survey point wasn't about licensing — more "If no one uses our data, then why should we bother publishing it?"
Hadley Beeman: @gatemezi, I think the Ordnance Survey point wasn't about licensing — more "If no one uses our data, then why should we bother publishing it?" ←
13:31:51 <hadleybeeman> Ack ant
Hadley Beeman: Ack ant ←
13:32:07 <adler1> antoine: i would like to support what eric suggests and find use cases for issue 10
Antoine Isaac: i would like to support what eric suggests and find use cases for ISSUE-10 ←
13:32:46 <adler1> https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140803110140-384693-the-value-of-data-meaure-the-utility?trk=hb_ntf_MEGAPHONE_ARTICLE_LIKE
https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140803110140-384693-the-value-of-data-meaure-the-utility?trk=hb_ntf_MEGAPHONE_ARTICLE_LIKE ←
13:32:50 <antoine> steve: I wrote a blog about value of data related to its usefulness
Steven Adler: I wrote a blog about value of data related to its usefulness [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
13:33:42 <antoine> steve++ this would be a good (abstract) use case
Antoine Isaac: steve++ this would be a good (abstract) use case ←
13:33:58 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1: being able to track usage/utilization is important to assess the impact of data
Steven Adler: being able to track usage/utilization is important to assess the impact of data [ Scribe Assist by Joao Almeida ] ←
13:34:03 <gatemezi> @hadleybeeman.. uummm, different interpretation here ;). Well, it's all about the value of their dataset.. I would rather preferred something like "If no one uses our data, then why should we bother updating it?"
Ghislain Atemezing: @hadleybeeman.. uummm, different interpretation here ;). Well, it's all about the value of their dataset.. I would rather preferred something like "If no one uses our data, then why should we bother updating it?" ←
13:34:07 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:34:16 <ericstephan> +1 government projects are under pressure to publish there data, but typically aren't funded to find the larger communities, IMO
Eric Stephan: +1 government projects are under pressure to publish their data, but typically aren't funded to find the larger communities, IMO ←
13:34:23 <hadleybeeman> Ack JoaoPauloAlmeida
Hadley Beeman: Ack JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
13:34:41 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
13:34:51 <hadleybeeman> @gatemezi, I think I agree with that. :)
Hadley Beeman: @gatemezi, I think I agree with that. :) ←
13:34:57 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P21 is really me
Carlos Iglesias: zakim, ??P21 is really me ←
13:34:57 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it ←
13:35:12 <adler1> JoaoPauloAlmeida: any use case has dependencies and any user of data should be measured for usage
Joao Almeida: any use case has dependencies and any user of data should be measured for usage ←
13:35:27 <adler1> deirdrelee: the specific requriement is the tracking of data usage
Deirdre Lee: the specific requriement is the tracking of data usage ←
13:36:15 <adler1> ... why is it so important to track data usage
... why is it so important to track data usage ←
13:36:22 <ericstephan> s/publish there data/publish their data/
13:36:23 <gatemezi> @hadleybeeman, hence data usage stats can have incidence on updating the dataset..
Ghislain Atemezing: @hadleybeeman, hence data usage stats can have incidence on updating the dataset.. ←
13:36:36 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ack me
Joao Almeida: ack me ←
13:36:45 <adler1> issue-18?
13:36:45 <trackbot> issue-18 -- Review Use case "Machine-readability of SLAs" -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-18 -- Review Use case "Machine-readability of SLAs" -- raised ←
13:36:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/18
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/18 ←
13:37:07 <adler1> ... is this in scope for the wg?
... is this in scope for the wg? ←
13:37:14 <ericstephan> +q
Eric Stephan: +q ←
13:37:16 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:37:34 <adler1> hadley: do we have the skills to address?
Hadley Beeman: do we have the skills to address? ←
13:39:13 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is speaking, please ?
Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, who is speaking, please ? ←
13:39:13 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, gatemezi.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, gatemezi. ←
13:39:25 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is speaking?
Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, who is speaking? ←
13:39:34 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1: what do we mean with machine-readability of SLA?
Steven Adler: what do we mean with machine-readability of SLA? [ Scribe Assist by Joao Almeida ] ←
13:39:39 <ericstephan> Is machine readable SLA a best practice or data usage item or both?
Eric Stephan: Is machine readable SLA a best practice or data usage item or both? ←
13:39:44 <Zakim> gatemezi, listening for 17 seconds I heard sound from the following: adler1 (80%), ericstephan (2%)
Zakim IRC Bot: gatemezi, listening for 17 seconds I heard sound from the following: adler1 (80%), ericstephan (2%) ←
13:40:00 <hadleybeeman> Zakim, who is here?
Hadley Beeman: Zakim, who is here? ←
13:40:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, adler1, laufer (muted), newton, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, antoine, CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, adler1, laufer (muted), newton, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, antoine, CarlosIglesias ←
13:40:00 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1: do we mean license or provision of service?
Steven Adler: do we mean license or provision of service? [ Scribe Assist by Joao Almeida ] ←
13:40:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, antoine, ericstephan, newton, laufer, gatemezi, adler1, MakxDekkers, EricKauz, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Zakim, RRSAgent,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, antoine, ericstephan, newton, laufer, gatemezi, adler1, MakxDekkers, EricKauz, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Zakim, RRSAgent, ←
13:40:03 <Zakim> ... trackbot, hadleybeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, hadleybeeman ←
13:41:32 <antoine> but this requirement is not about licenses!
Antoine Isaac: but this requirement is not about licenses! ←
13:42:04 <deirdrelee> Eric, it's a requirement for Best practice, under industry-reuse category
Deirdre Lee: Eric, it's a requirement for Best practice, under industry-reuse category ←
13:42:11 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> antoine: this is about the provision of service (because we talk about licenses elsewhere)
Antoine Isaac: this is about the provision of service (because we talk about licenses elsewhere) [ Scribe Assist by Joao Almeida ] ←
13:42:11 <adler1> antoine: this is just about provision of service
Antoine Isaac: this is just about provision of service ←
13:42:17 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to antoine
Joao Almeida: +1 to antoine ←
13:42:35 <hadleybeeman> Q+
Hadley Beeman: Q+ ←
13:42:48 <ericstephan> Okay thank you for the clarification Deirdre
Eric Stephan: Okay thank you for the clarification Deirdre ←
13:43:03 <adler1> ... the group lacks the skills to work on this
... the group lacks the skills to work on this ←
13:43:05 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I agree that SLAs (contracts on service provisioning) is not something this WG should address
Joao Almeida: I agree that SLAs (contracts on service provisioning) is not something this WG should address ←
13:43:11 <hadleybeeman> Ack ericstephan
Hadley Beeman: Ack ericstephan ←
13:43:25 <hadleybeeman> Ack antoine
Hadley Beeman: Ack antoine ←
13:43:26 <deirdrelee> q+ to say this dicussion applies to all SLA requirements, not just machine-readability...
Deirdre Lee: q+ to say this dicussion applies to all SLA requirements, not just machine-readability... ←
13:43:42 <adler1> antoine: it could be legitimate to raise it as a requirement and postpone it
Antoine Isaac: it could be legitimate to raise it as a requirement and postpone it ←
13:43:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> although licensing should probably be, and some garantees on the quality/availability of data
Joao Almeida: although licensing should probably be, and some garantees on the quality/availability of data ←
13:43:53 <adler1> ... we could track it as a requirement
... we could track it as a requirement ←
13:44:05 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
Joao Almeida: q+ ←
13:45:29 <adler1> hadley: SLA stuff could come out in the DQ vocab
Hadley Beeman: SLA stuff could come out in the DQ vocab ←
13:45:34 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> hadleybeeman: this is what I meant
Hadley Beeman: this is what I meant [ Scribe Assist by Joao Almeida ] ←
13:45:37 <adler1> ... we could embed sla implications in that vocab
... we could embed sla implications in that vocab ←
13:45:39 <antoine> good point hadley
Antoine Isaac: good point hadley ←
13:45:40 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ack me
Joao Almeida: ack me ←
13:45:44 <adler1> +1
+1 ←
13:45:58 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:46:32 <Zakim> + +1.617.646.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.646.aabb ←
13:46:46 <hadleybeeman> Ack me
Hadley Beeman: Ack me ←
13:46:58 <hadleybeeman> Ack deird
Hadley Beeman: Ack deird ←
13:46:58 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to say this dicussion applies to all SLA requirements, not just machine-readability...
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to say this dicussion applies to all SLA requirements, not just machine-readability... ←
13:47:00 <deirdrelee> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#h4_can-req-industry-reuse
Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#h4_can-req-industry-reuse ←
13:47:14 <adler1> deirdrelee: there are 6 requirements associated with SLA
Deirdre Lee: there are 6 requirements associated with SLA ←
13:47:25 <adler1> ... do we keep them in but say we are not addressing them?
... do we keep them in but say we are not addressing them? ←
13:47:27 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:47:39 <adler1> hadleyb: we should think big
Hadley Beeman: we should think big ←
13:47:44 <hadleybeeman> Ack antoine
Hadley Beeman: Ack antoine ←
13:47:58 <adler1> antoine: the requiremenst for sla could be met by DQ vocab
Antoine Isaac: the requiremenst for sla could be met by DQ vocab ←
13:48:08 <adler1> deirdrelee: that's grand
Deirdre Lee: that's grand ←
13:48:22 <antoine> at least partly! (I don't want to commit to a grand thing)
Antoine Isaac: at least partly! (I don't want to commit to a grand thing) ←
13:48:51 <adler1> close issue-18
13:48:51 <trackbot> Closed issue-18.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-18. ←
13:49:38 <hadleybeeman> Q?
Hadley Beeman: Q? ←
13:49:39 <adler1> issue-23?
13:49:39 <trackbot> issue-23 -- Review definition of interoperability -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-23 -- Review definition of interoperability -- raised ←
13:49:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/23
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/23 ←
13:50:02 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I disagree
Joao Almeida: I disagree ←
13:50:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
Joao Almeida: q+ ←
13:50:11 <hadleybeeman> Ack JoaoPauloAlmeida
Hadley Beeman: Ack JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
13:50:49 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:50:54 <hadleybeeman> Q+
Hadley Beeman: Q+ ←
13:50:59 <adler1> JoaoPauloAlmeida: interoperability should be more than standardization and should also include quality
Joao Almeida: interoperability should be more than standardization and should also include quality ←
13:51:15 <adler1> antoine: I agree, but we have to assume the standard is good
Antoine Isaac: I agree, but we have to assume the standard is good ←
13:51:28 <hadleybeeman> Ack antoine
Hadley Beeman: Ack antoine ←
13:51:37 <hadleybeeman> Ack me
Hadley Beeman: Ack me ←
13:51:45 <gatemezi> Two "things" can be "interoperable" without being "standardized" nor "machine readable". Is that makes sense?
Ghislain Atemezing: Two "things" can be "interoperable" without being "standardized" nor "machine readable". Is that makes sense? ←
13:51:56 <adler1> +1
+1 ←
13:52:13 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:52:18 <deirdrelee> technically that's not a standard, if someone just adds a concept, no?
Deirdre Lee: technically that's not a standard, if someone just adds a concept, no? ←
13:52:43 <adler1> you can have many ways to interoperate that are not standardized
you can have many ways to interoperate that are not standardized ←
13:52:57 <gatemezi> The goal of standards is to make "things" interoperable
Ghislain Atemezing: The goal of standards is to make "things" interoperable ←
13:53:34 <adler1> for example, Sierra Leone has 17 languages but only Creole is understood by everyone so it is the interoperable standard
for example, Sierra Leone has 17 languages but only Creole is understood by everyone so it is the interoperable standard ←
13:54:16 <adler1> +q
+q ←
13:54:23 <gatemezi> Ummm.. @adler1, Creole in Sierra Leone ? Tha'ts new to me ;)
Ghislain Atemezing: Ummm.. @adler1, Creole in Sierra Leone ? Tha'ts new to me ;) ←
13:54:33 <adler1> is it interoperability of transmission or meaning?
is it interoperability of transmission or meaning? ←
13:54:33 <deirdrelee> Topic for mailing-list: Interoperability vs. standards
Deirdre Lee: Topic for mailing-list: Interoperability vs. standards ←
13:54:41 <hadleybeeman> Ack antoine
Hadley Beeman: Ack antoine ←
13:55:08 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> there are many standards that are not about interoperability
Joao Almeida: there are many standards that are not about interoperability ←
13:55:24 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> we are in the business of interoperability standards
Joao Almeida: we are in the business of interoperability standards ←
13:55:31 <hadleybeeman> Ack adler1
Hadley Beeman: Ack adler1 ←
13:55:33 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:55:45 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1: do we need to solve this?
Steven Adler: do we need to solve this? [ Scribe Assist by Joao Almeida ] ←
13:55:49 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:56:00 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Why was this issue raised?
Joao Almeida: Why was this issue raised? ←
13:56:04 <hadleybeeman> Ack Adler
Hadley Beeman: Ack Adler ←
13:56:04 <ericstephan> I don't think we need to solve interoperability, I think we need to acknowlege what we can provide and what is beyond our control.
Eric Stephan: I don't think we need to solve interoperability, I think we need to acknowlege what we can provide and what is beyond our control. ←
13:56:10 <hadleybeeman> Ack deirdrelee
Hadley Beeman: Ack deirdrelee ←
13:56:18 <adler1> deirdrelee: it is key to the working group and we have to address it
Deirdre Lee: it is key to the working group and we have to address it ←
13:56:18 <EricKauz> q+
13:56:36 <adler1> ... suggest we move it to the mailing list
... suggest we move it to the mailing list ←
13:57:26 <gatemezi> IMO, hat makes a "good standard" is the the coverage of "interoperable things" it can provide
Ghislain Atemezing: IMO, what makes a "good standard" is the the coverage of "interoperable things" it can provide ←
13:57:33 <adler1> good solution
good solution ←
13:57:42 <gatemezi> s/hat/what
13:57:50 <hadleybeeman> Ack antoine
Hadley Beeman: Ack antoine ←
13:58:18 <adler1> antoine: interoperability is the goal
Antoine Isaac: interoperability is the goal ←
13:58:37 <adler1> JoaoPauloAlmeida: it doesn't have to be explicit in the requirement
Joao Almeida: it doesn't have to be explicit in the requirement ←
13:59:13 <hadleybeeman> Ack EricKauz
Hadley Beeman: Ack EricKauz ←
13:59:29 <adler1> erics: its key to define what we are talking about in interoperability
Eric Stephan: its key to define what we are talking about in interoperability ←
13:59:37 <adler1> ... long list of what it means
... long list of what it means ←
13:59:38 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:59:38 <hadleybeeman> +1 to EricKauz
Hadley Beeman: +1 to EricKauz ←
13:59:45 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Erics ++
Riccardo Albertoni: Erics ++ ←
13:59:48 <antoine> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization
Antoine Isaac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization ←
13:59:58 <hadleybeeman> Ack deirdrelee
Hadley Beeman: Ack deirdrelee ←
14:00:25 <adler1> deirdrelee: next discussion in email
Deirdre Lee: next discussion in email ←
14:00:40 <adler1> hadley: next week is checklist on deliverables
Hadley Beeman: next week is checklist on deliverables ←
14:01:04 <adler1> how do I close out the scribe?
how do I close out the scribe? ←
14:01:16 <ericstephan> bye
Eric Stephan: bye ←
14:01:19 <Zakim> -ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan ←
14:01:26 <adler1> rrsagent, make log public
rrsagent, make log public ←
14:01:29 <CarlosIglesias> bye!
Carlos Iglesias: bye! ←
14:01:30 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye
Riccardo Albertoni: bye ←
14:01:30 <Zakim> -EricKauz
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricKauz ←
14:01:31 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye
Joao Almeida: bye ←
14:01:33 <adler1> ciao
ciao ←
14:01:34 <Zakim> -adler1
Zakim IRC Bot: -adler1 ←
14:01:34 <gatemezi> bye
Ghislain Atemezing: bye ←
14:01:35 <newton> bye
Newton Calegari: bye ←
14:01:37 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
14:01:41 <antoine> bye!
Antoine Isaac: bye! ←
14:01:42 <Zakim> -Makx_Dekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx_Dekkers ←
14:01:47 <Zakim> -antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←
14:01:49 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
14:01:53 <laufer> nice weekend, all
Carlos Laufer: nice weekend, all ←
14:01:53 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: -CarlosIglesias ←
14:01:55 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
14:01:58 <Zakim> -??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P13 ←
14:02:02 <Zakim> -newton
Zakim IRC Bot: -newton ←
14:02:04 <Zakim> -laufer
Zakim IRC Bot: -laufer ←
14:02:05 <Zakim> - +1.617.646.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.617.646.aabb ←
14:02:07 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended ←
14:02:07 <Zakim> Attendees were EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, +1.516.944.aaaa, laufer, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, newton, antoine, adler1, CarlosIglesias, +1.617.646.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, +1.516.944.aaaa, laufer, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, newton, antoine, adler1, CarlosIglesias, +1.617.646.aabb ←
14:02:17 <hadleybeeman> Zakim, bye
Hadley Beeman: Zakim, bye ←
14:02:24 <hadleybeeman> trackbot: bye
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14:02:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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