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12:57:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
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12:57:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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12:57:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:57:29 <trackbot> Date: 25 July 2014
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12:59:55 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
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12:59:55 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
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13:00:27 <Zakim> +Yaso
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13:00:28 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: DWBP Weekly agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140725
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13:00:40 <Zakim> +??P8
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13:00:54 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me
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13:00:54 <Zakim> +phila; got it
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13:01:06 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P8 is me
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13:01:06 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it
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13:01:08 <Zakim> -Yaso
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13:01:42 <Zakim> +Yaso
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13:02:29 <phila> zakim, who is here?
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13:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see antoine, MTCarrasco, phila, Yaso
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13:02:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso, nathalia, newton, MTCarrasco, JoaoPauloAlmeida, antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, phila, trackbot
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13:02:44 <phila> zakim, yaso has flavio, newton
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13:02:44 <Zakim> +flavio, newton; got it
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13:02:44 <newton> yaso has newton, flavio
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13:03:53 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
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13:04:58 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, pick a victim
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13:04:58 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose flavio
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13:05:10 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> IPcaller is me
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13:05:18 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me
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13:05:18 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
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13:05:36 <Zakim> +ericstephan
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13:05:45 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, pick a victim
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13:05:45 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MTCarrasco
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13:05:50 <yaso> Chair: HadleyBeeman
13:06:04 <phila> scribe: Phila
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
13:06:09 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-11
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-11 ←
13:06:37 <phila> PROPOSED: Accept last minutes
PROPOSED: Accept last minutes ←
13:06:46 <phila> +1
+1 ←
13:06:46 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:06:48 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:06:50 <newton> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
13:06:53 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa
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13:07:22 <MTCarrasco> I am willing to try to scribe, but I need administrative help
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13:07:30 <nathalia> +1
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1 ←
13:07:36 <Zakim> +??P14
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13:07:45 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
13:08:01 <flavio> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
13:08:29 <phila> RESOLVED: Accept last minutes
RESOLVED: Accept last minutes ←
13:08:36 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:08:41 <newton> zakim, yaso has Caroline_
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13:08:41 <Zakim> +Caroline_; got it
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13:09:19 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Encourages everyone to register for TPAC
Hadley Beeman: Encourages everyone to register for TPAC ←
13:09:39 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ TPAC Details
-> http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ TPAC Details ←
13:10:05 <Zakim> + +44.122.333.aabb
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13:10:15 <phila> topic: Actions
13:10:21 <markharrison> Zakim, aabb is markharrison
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13:10:28 <Zakim> + +1.516.353.aacc
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13:10:44 <phila> HadleyBeeman: There was a discussion 2 weeks ago about how to make these meetings more discusion based with more discussion on e-mail
Hadley Beeman: There was a discussion 2 weeks ago about how to make these meetings more discusion based with more discussion on e-mail ←
13:10:53 <adler1> hello everyone
Steven Adler: hello everyone ←
13:11:03 <phila> ... but this meeting is meant to be issues & actions, next week will be more discussion-y
... but this meeting is meant to be issues & actions, next week will be more discussion-y ←
13:11:13 <phila> ... which for non-native speakers is not a word ;-)
... which for non-native speakers is not a word ;-) ←
13:11:16 <MTCarrasco> Phil I have a problem hearing
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Phil I have a problem hearing ←
13:11:22 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open ←
13:11:36 <phila> action-32?
13:11:36 <trackbot> action-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN ←
13:11:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32 ←
13:11:51 <phila> HadleyBeeman: I've just finished a project and so have more time to do that before next week
Hadley Beeman: I've just finished a project and so have more time to do that before next week ←
13:11:55 <phila> action-46/
13:11:55 <trackbot> action-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN ←
13:11:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46 ←
13:12:19 <phila> yaso: I'm still working on that, sorry. I'll close this action in the next week
Yaso Córdova: I'm still working on that, sorry. I'll close this action in the next week ←
13:12:26 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Do you uave what you need?
Hadley Beeman: Do you uave what you need? ←
13:12:42 <phila> yaso: No. I think in the last meeting I was offered some help
Yaso Córdova: No. I think in the last meeting I was offered some help ←
13:12:51 <phila> ... but my colleage Renaldo went to the WoT workshop
... but my colleage Renaldo went to the WoT workshop ←
13:13:25 <phila> phila: you might find this useful, yaso http://www.w3.org/2014/02/wot/report
Phil Archer: you might find this useful, yaso http://www.w3.org/2014/02/wot/report ←
13:13:39 <phila> ... it's not yet published but if you know where to look... ;-)
... it's not yet published but if you know where to look... ;-) ←
13:14:10 <phila> yaso: I want to write a use case but the problem is that the companies don't want to open their data
Yaso Córdova: I want to write a use case but the problem is that the companies don't want to open their data ←
13:14:18 <phila> ... but we are working on an alternative
... but we are working on an alternative ←
13:15:26 <phila> ericstephan: I'm in the process of writing a use case related to the data management facility. That's for scientific means - we bring in various aspects of DWBP so that can be looked at to see if it's applicable
Eric Stephan: I'm in the process of writing a use case related to the data management facility. That's for scientific means - we bring in various aspects of DWBP so that can be looked at to see if it's applicable ←
13:15:52 <phila> yaso: I talked to some IoT people. They work with tracking big trucks in Brazil using sensors. They mentiuoned that they use their own protocols, not the Web
Yaso Córdova: I talked to some IoT people. They work with tracking big trucks in Brazil using sensors. They mentiuoned that they use their own protocols, not the Web ←
13:15:58 <newton> Zakim, yaso has nathalia_
Newton Calegari: Zakim, yaso has nathalia_ ←
13:15:58 <Zakim> +nathalia_; got it
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13:16:09 <phila> ... but I'm still curious about it as at some points they'll use the Web. It's all very proprietary
... but I'm still curious about it as at some points they'll use the Web. It's all very proprietary ←
13:16:18 <phila> ericstephan: Our use case is more WoT than IoT
Eric Stephan: Our use case is more WoT than IoT ←
13:16:41 <phila> yaso: I think we can continue this by e-mail, but I'm almost at the conclusion that the hardware that people use is important
Yaso Córdova: I think we can continue this by e-mail, but I'm almost at the conclusion that the hardware that people use is important ←
13:16:55 <phila> ... it defines the kind of protocols that they use
... it defines the kind of protocols that they use ←
13:16:55 <markharrison> For track and trace, GS1 has developed open standards for exchange of event data within organisations and across supply chains - see the GS1 EPCIS standard http://www.gs1.org/gsmp/kc/epcglobal/epcis
Mark Harrison: For track and trace, GS1 has developed open standards for exchange of event data within organisations and across supply chains - see the GS1 EPCIS standard http://www.gs1.org/gsmp/kc/epcglobal/epcis ←
13:17:05 <phila> yaso: where the data is stored etc
Yaso Córdova: where the data is stored etc ←
13:17:14 <markharrison> +q
Mark Harrison: +q ←
13:17:16 <phila> yaso: I'll write about that
Yaso Córdova: I'll write about that ←
13:17:25 <phila> ericstephan: I'll get some text to you this w/e
Eric Stephan: I'll get some text to you this w/e ←
13:17:28 <phila> ack markharrison
ack markharrison ←
13:17:59 <phila> markharrison: GS1 has developed a relevant standard for track & trace. That might be of interest. We have some comapanies doing pilots
Mark Harrison: GS1 has developed a relevant standard for track & trace. That might be of interest. We have some comapanies doing pilots ←
13:18:07 <ericstephan> do you have a link for this Mark?
Eric Stephan: do you have a link for this markharrison? ←
13:18:11 <phila> ... healthcare, produce. Might be some use casesa from that work
... healthcare, produce. Might be some use casesa from that work ←
13:18:15 <phila> q+
q+ ←
13:18:21 <phila> ack phila
ack phila ←
13:18:54 <HadleyBeeman> phila: How closely does that GS1 standard overlap with this group's work? If not at all, should we interact with it?
Phil Archer: How closely does that GS1 standard overlap with this group's work? If not at all, should we interact with it? [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
13:18:59 <ericstephan> s/Mark/markharrison/
13:19:32 <phila> markharrison: I raised it in reponse to Yaso's comments about tracking trucks etc. But I think there are potential areas of overlap.
Mark Harrison: I raised it in reponse to Yaso's comments about tracking trucks etc. But I think there are potential areas of overlap. ←
13:19:40 <ericstephan> thank you, great
Eric Stephan: thank you, great ←
13:19:42 <phila> ... one is on the WoT and the other is on geolocation
... one is on the WoT and the other is on geolocation ←
13:19:52 <phila> ... which is event data, which has a location component
... which is event data, which has a location component ←
13:20:05 <phila> ... and it also has relation to the Social Web WG work as that is also event data
... and it also has relation to the Social Web WG work as that is also event data ←
13:20:21 <phila> ... it's an open data model for event data - what where when why etc.
... it's an open data model for event data - what where when why etc. ←
13:20:32 <phila> ... it's all agnostic to how the data is stored underneath
... it's all agnostic to how the data is stored underneath ←
13:20:44 <phila> ... there's no LD binding, it'as all XML and WS*
... there's no LD binding, it'as all XML and WS* ←
13:20:46 <flavio> I need to leave...
Flavio Yanai: I need to leave... ←
13:20:48 <flavio> bye
Flavio Yanai: bye ←
13:20:53 <phila> ... but is potentially relevant to a nuymber of W3C Activities
... but is potentially relevant to a nuymber of W3C Activities ←
13:20:59 <yaso> Bye, Tks Flavio
Yaso Córdova: Bye, Tks Flavio ←
13:21:11 <phila> ... we can certainly contribute some uase cases about what is being collected and shared
... we can certainly contribute some uase cases about what is being collected and shared ←
13:21:18 <phila> ... prob is it may be competitive info etc
... prob is it may be competitive info etc ←
13:22:03 <HadleyBeeman> new Social Web activities at W3C: http://www.w3.org/2014/06/social.html.en
Hadley Beeman: new Social Web activities at W3C: http://www.w3.org/2014/06/social.html.en ←
13:22:48 <ericstephan> +q
Eric Stephan: +q ←
13:22:59 <Zakim> -??P14
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13:23:33 <phila> markharrison: not it's not irrelevant because it's not LD :-)
Mark Harrison: not it's not irrelevant because it's not LD :-) ←
13:23:39 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:23:53 <phila> ericstephan: Some things on the WoT get introcued by a human operator doing an experiement etc.
Eric Stephan: Some things on the WoT get introcued by a human operator doing an experiement etc. ←
13:24:17 <phila> ... so you perhaps need to think about that background. And Social Web is interesting in that context
... so you perhaps need to think about that background. And Social Web is interesting in that context ←
13:24:21 <phila> q- ericstephan
q- ericstephan ←
13:24:27 <phila> ack MTCarrasco
ack MTCarrasco ←
13:24:52 <phila> MTCarrasco: I agree with this discussion - there's a huge overlap here. We're all looking at the same elephant from a differnet direction
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I agree with this discussion - there's a huge overlap here. We're all looking at the same elephant from a differnet direction ←
13:25:09 <phila> ... the data is a common thread - there's ahuge overlap
... the data is a common thread - there's a huge overlap ←
13:25:14 <phila> s/ahuge/a huge/
13:25:34 <markharrison> +q
Mark Harrison: +q ←
13:25:40 <phila> MTCarrasco: I'm not sure how to include it all etc.
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I'm not sure how to include it all etc. ←
13:25:45 <HadleyBeeman> ack mark
Hadley Beeman: ack mark ←
13:25:55 <phila> markharrison: EPCIS is primarily about abservations of things at places and times.
Mark Harrison: EPCIS is primarily about abservations of things at places and times. ←
13:26:13 <phila> ... it doesn't currently handle sensor data in its current form, but it could contrinute to a future W3C WG
... it doesn't currently handle sensor data in its current form, but it could contrinute to a future W3C WG ←
13:26:31 <phila> ... that might work in the geo WG
... that might work in the geo WG ←
13:26:41 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/geo-charter Spatial data WG (proposed)
-> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/geo-charter Spatial data WG (proposed) ←
13:27:04 <phila> markharrison: It's important, I think, that W3C has a coherent events data model, whether it's about organisations, or things, otr people
Mark Harrison: It's important, I think, that W3C has a coherent events data model, whether it's about organisations, or things, or people ←
13:27:16 <phila> phila takes note, thanks Mark
phila takes note, thanks Mark ←
13:27:24 <phila> s/otr/or/
13:27:47 <phila> HadleyBeeman: I agree that events is something that will hit a number of areas
Hadley Beeman: I agree that events is something that will hit a number of areas ←
13:27:53 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.gs1.org/gsmp/kc/epcglobal/cbv
Hadley Beeman: http://www.gs1.org/gsmp/kc/epcglobal/cbv ←
13:28:04 <phila> markharrison: And there's the Core Business Vocabulary for things like transaction identifiers etc
Mark Harrison: And there's the Core Business Vocabulary for things like transaction identifiers etc ←
13:28:33 <phila> action-51?
13:28:33 <trackbot> action-51 -- Eric Stephan to Work with sumitpurohit to put a wiki page together showing other examples of closed data that may not be in the ucr -- due 2014-06-27 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-51 -- Eric Stephan to Work with sumitpurohit to put a wiki page together showing other examples of closed data that may not be in the ucr -- due 2014-06-27 -- OPEN ←
13:28:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/51
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/51 ←
13:28:42 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> events or ocurrences is one area of "foundation ontology" that will anyway affect "domain ontologies"
Joao Almeida: events or ocurrences is one area of "foundation ontology" that will anyway affect "domain ontologies" ←
13:29:06 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Closed_Data_Examples
Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Closed_Data_Examples ←
13:29:20 <phila> ericstephan: OK, yes... not sure I I sent this out but Sumit and I put some egs together ^
Eric Stephan: OK, yes... not sure I I sent this out but Sumit and I put some egs together ^ ←
13:29:49 <phila> ... they're points for conversation. Just some thoughts we had for different types of example that relate to open data but don't specifically fit into the OD categoty
... they're points for conversation. Just some thoughts we had for different types of example that relate to open data but don't specifically fit into the OD categoty ←
13:29:56 <phila> ... feedback would be welcome
... feedback would be welcome ←
13:30:13 <phila> ... it would be good to be able to list more use cases that relate to some of these aspectrs
... it would be good to be able to list more use cases that relate to some of these aspectrs ←
13:30:26 <phila> phila: Cue Deirdre
Phil Archer: Cue Deirdre ←
13:30:39 <phila> deirdrelee: That's the kind of feedback I'm looking for from my last e-mail
Deirdre Lee: That's the kind of feedback I'm looking for from my last e-mail ←
13:30:51 <phila> ... I wanted to give people a chance to talk about this sort of thing on these calls
... I wanted to give people a chance to talk about this sort of thing on these calls ←
13:31:05 <phila> ... should these be included or not, what actual use cases do we need/have
... should these be included or not, what actual use cases do we need/have ←
13:31:24 <phila> ... if I look at the other networks I'm in (Share-PSI etc.) then this is a helpful reference point
... if I look at the other networks I'm in (Share-PSI etc.) then this is a helpful reference point ←
13:31:31 <phila> ... so see my e-mail on this
... so see my e-mail on this ←
13:31:41 <markharrison> +q to say that I might be able to contribute examples of closed / access-restricted data from supply chain traceability e.g. for pharmaceuticals
Mark Harrison: +q to say that I might be able to contribute examples of closed / access-restricted data from supply chain traceability e.g. for pharmaceuticals ←
13:31:43 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
13:32:04 <phila> ericstephan: to me this represents an opportunity to connect with communities who don't necessarily see themselves as being part of the data on the Web
Eric Stephan: to me this represents an opportunity to connect with communities who don't necessarily see themselves as being part of the data on the Web ←
13:32:11 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:32:15 <phila> adler1: so this is data behind the firewall
Steven Adler: so this is data behind the firewall ←
13:32:34 <phila> adler1: What about data shared within an organisation but not publicly - that's open data from that company's POV
Steven Adler: What about data shared within an organisation but not publicly - that's open data from that company's POV ←
13:32:47 <phila> ericstephan: Yeah, we have data like that, open to the community but not the world
Eric Stephan: Yeah, we have data like that, open to the community but not the world ←
13:32:51 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
13:33:04 <phila> adler1: I'm seeing increased interest in 'open behind the firewall data'
Steven Adler: I'm seeing increased interest in 'open behind the firewall data' ←
13:33:32 <phila> ... corproations the size of mine with vast amounts of data. We can open it internally and ask developers in diff departments to use that
... corproations the size of mine with vast amounts of data. We can open it internally and ask developers in diff departments to use that ←
13:33:43 <phila> ericstephan: I like the idea of calling that open data within a corporate body
Eric Stephan: I like the idea of calling that open data within a corporate body ←
13:34:05 <phila> ... but I've been reluctatnt to call it open data
... but I've been reluctatnt to call it open data ←
13:34:27 <phila> adler1: There are interesting privacy issues. A lot of the data we're talking about is personal, customer info, etc.
Steven Adler: There are interesting privacy issues. A lot of the data we're talking about is personal, customer info, etc. ←
13:34:39 <phila> ... so the privacy rules are very challenging, even behind the firewall
... so the privacy rules are very challenging, even behind the firewall ←
13:34:49 <HadleyBeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
13:34:51 <phila> ... it requires new types of authorisation engines
... it requires new types of authorisation engines ←
13:35:17 <phila> ... e.g. sharing bank data among otehr banks, within and outwith the EU etc.
... e.g. sharing bank data among otehr banks, within and outwith the EU etc. ←
13:35:25 <phila> ... makes in interesting matrix of controls
... makes in interesting matrix of controls ←
13:35:36 <phila> ... different from open or not discussion
... different from open or not discussion ←
13:35:46 <phila> ... it's 'publish and control'
... it's 'publish and control' ←
13:36:07 <phila> adler1: I think a lot of what we're doing around DCAT+ is relevant but the rules are very complicatewd
Steven Adler: I think a lot of what we're doing around DCAT+ is relevant but the rules are very complicatewd ←
13:36:12 <phila> ack markharrison
ack markharrison ←
13:36:12 <Zakim> markharrison, you wanted to say that I might be able to contribute examples of closed / access-restricted data from supply chain traceability e.g. for pharmaceuticals
Zakim IRC Bot: markharrison, you wanted to say that I might be able to contribute examples of closed / access-restricted data from supply chain traceability e.g. for pharmaceuticals ←
13:36:34 <phila> markharrison: on closed vs open, we have situations where data is being expressed and exchanged in open format but very restricted distribution
Mark Harrison: on closed vs open, we have situations where data is being expressed and exchanged in open format but very restricted distribution ←
13:36:44 <phila> ... it's open data formats and ideas from point to point
... it's open data formats and ideas from point to point ←
13:37:16 <phila> ... on the auth engine complexity - is there an unbroken chain of trust between the info requester and the provier when there is no direct connectsion. ege a retailer many links along the chain from a manufacturer
... on the auth engine complexity - is there an unbroken chain of trust between the info requester and the provier when there is no direct connectsion. ege a retailer many links along the chain from a manufacturer ←
13:37:18 <phila> q+
q+ ←
13:37:21 <phila> ack MTCarrasco
ack MTCarrasco ←
13:37:48 <ericstephan> perhaps open data only is one direction in some cases as opposed to bidirectional
Eric Stephan: perhaps open data only is one direction in some cases as opposed to bidirectional ←
13:37:57 <phila> MTCarrasco: Talking about open data - more like OD style of publishing. We don't have HTTP for intranet and a diff one for the public, just the firewall in the middle
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Talking about open data - more like OD style of publishing. We don't have HTTP for intranet and a diff one for the public, just the firewall in the middle ←
13:38:06 <phila> ... one has to think in terms of access control lists
... one has to think in terms of access control lists ←
13:38:15 <phila> ... open to individuals, groups and the worl
... open to individuals, groups and the worl ←
13:38:20 <phila> HadleyBeeman: +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
13:38:41 <Zakim> -??P14
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13:38:46 <phila> ... when we were working on LD in the GLD, some of it was behind the firewall, some was internal. It doesn't mean using diff architecture, it's the same
... when we were working on LD in the GLD, some of it was behind the firewall, some was internal. It doesn't mean using diff architecture, it's the same ←
13:38:55 <phila> ack HadleyBeeman
ack HadleyBeeman ←
13:39:02 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
13:39:03 <phila> ... and that's in scope for DWBP
... and that's in scope for DWBP ←
13:39:08 <phila> q-
q- ←
13:39:43 <phila> close action-51
13:39:43 <trackbot> Closed action-51.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-51. ←
13:39:52 <markharrison> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Guidance_on_the_Provision_of_Metadata#Intrinsic_vs_Extrinsic_Metadata
Mark Harrison: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Guidance_on_the_Provision_of_Metadata#Intrinsic_vs_Extrinsic_Metadata ←
13:39:56 <phila> action-54?
13:39:56 <trackbot> action-54 -- Mark Harrison to Write to write up definitions on intrinsic metadata -- due 2014-07-04 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-54 -- Mark Harrison to Write to write up definitions on intrinsic metadata -- due 2014-07-04 -- OPEN ←
13:39:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/54
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/54 ←
13:40:22 <phila> markharrison: So far I've written lists of what I think are different in|extrinsic metadata
Mark Harrison: So far I've written lists of what I think are different in|extrinsic metadata ←
13:40:31 <phila> ... there have been diagrams and discussion about whether they are helpful
... there have been diagrams and discussion about whether they are helpful ←
13:40:46 <phila> ... Bernadette suggested having examples of different types
... Bernadette suggested having examples of different types ←
13:40:55 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Does anyone have any comments
Hadley Beeman: Does anyone have any comments ←
13:41:01 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:41:04 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:41:16 <phila> ack antoine
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13:41:45 <phila> antoine: I was involved in this discussion. I wasn't convinced by the diagrams. Maybe the examples can be useful but I ...
Antoine Isaac: I was involved in this discussion. I wasn't convinced by the diagrams. Maybe the examples can be useful but I ... ←
13:41:59 <phila> ... see need to change the text
... see need to change the text ←
13:42:04 <phila> ack MTCarrasco
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13:42:30 <phila> MTCarrasco: Cutting the metadata into fine pieces... what do you call all the data associated with a resource?
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Cutting the metadata into fine pieces... what do you call all the data associated with a resource? ←
13:42:43 <phila> ... in the same time, in the resource you may have differnet variants of the resource
... in the same time, in the resource you may have differnet variants of the resource ←
13:43:02 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> does it make sense to talk about "all data"?
Joao Almeida: does it make sense to talk about "all data"? ←
13:43:02 <phila> ... all the info associated with the resource. Is it variants?
... all the info associated with the resource. Is it variants? ←
13:43:02 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:43:07 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> in an open world?
Joao Almeida: in an open world? ←
13:43:16 <phila> markharrison: Thats' why I tried to break it down into intrinsic and extrinsic metadata
Mark Harrison: Thats' why I tried to break it down into intrinsic and extrinsic metadata ←
13:43:30 <phila> ... that's how I tried to split it (whether I succeeded or not)
... that's how I tried to split it (whether I succeeded or not) ←
13:43:53 <phila> MTCarrasco: Did you call the variants in the data part of the metadata or the data?
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Did you call the variants in the data part of the metadata or the data? ←
13:43:59 <phila> ... eg the Teaty of Rome
... eg the Teaty of Rome ←
13:44:13 <phila> ... you have a URI, but there are differnet formats, langauges etc
... you have a URI, but there are differnet formats, langauges etc ←
13:44:22 <phila> q+ to talk about versioned assets
q+ to talk about versioned assets ←
13:44:35 <phila> markharrison: Diff representation of the same thing
Mark Harrison: Diff representation of the same thing ←
13:45:10 <phila> markharrison: I would say that's metadata that is extrinsic. The Treaty of Rome has the same info irrespective of language and format
Mark Harrison: I would say that's metadata that is extrinsic. The Treaty of Rome has the same info irrespective of language and format ←
13:45:27 <phila> ... they're outside the graph of the data. So I'd say they're metadata
... they're outside the graph of the data. So I'd say they're metadata ←
13:45:38 <phila> ... formats, variants and language translations are all important
... formats, variants and language translations are all important ←
13:46:03 <phila> MTCarrasco: I don't mind how this things are categorised. The variant list is still part of the metadata
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I don't mind how this things are categorised. The variant list is still part of the metadata ←
13:46:16 <phila> HadleyBeeman: cuts discussion short for time
Hadley Beeman: cuts discussion short for time ←
13:46:23 <adler1> sad that the discussion has ended
Steven Adler: sad that the discussion has ended ←
13:46:31 <phila> q-
q- ←
13:46:49 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
13:46:50 <phila> q- antoine
q- antoine ←
13:46:55 <adler1> I was just beginning to understand what they were talking about :-)
Steven Adler: I was just beginning to understand what they were talking about :-) ←
13:47:06 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Please carry that on via e-mail
Hadley Beeman: Please carry that on via e-mail ←
13:47:17 <phila> action: markharrison to continue this discussion by e-mail
ACTION: markharrison to continue this discussion by e-mail ←
13:47:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Continue this discussion by e-mail [on Mark Harrison - due 2014-08-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-60 - Continue this discussion by e-mail [on Mark Harrison - due 2014-08-01]. ←
13:47:27 <HadleyBeeman> action-55?
13:47:27 <trackbot> action-55 -- Eric Stephan to Seek feedback on json-ld version of dcat schema, using, for example http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ with http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-55 -- Eric Stephan to Seek feedback on json-ld version of dcat schema, using, for example http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ with http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN ←
13:47:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/55
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/55 ←
13:47:45 <adler1> q+
Steven Adler: q+ ←
13:47:57 <phila> ack adler1
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13:47:58 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open ←
13:48:11 <phila> adler1: I think I sent out a note last week about the Open data Africa event
Steven Adler: I think I sent out a note last week about the Open data Africa event ←
13:48:12 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:48:20 <phila> q- adler
q- adler ←
13:48:47 <phila> adler1: Next week the White House is hosting a big meeting for African leaders around open data issues. I'm working with a bunch of agencies ot host an open data jam
Steven Adler: Next week the White House is hosting a big meeting for African leaders around open data issues. I'm working with a bunch of agencies ot host an open data jam ←
13:49:02 <phila> ... to help African countries to improve their open data work
... to help African countries to improve their open data work ←
13:49:03 <ericstephan> That sounds so exciting, wish I could be there....
Eric Stephan: That sounds so exciting, wish I could be there.... ←
13:49:22 <phila> ... looking to find developers who can help this happen
... looking to find developers who can help this happen ←
13:49:37 <phila> ... event will be simulcast in audio
... event will be simulcast in audio ←
13:49:45 <MTCarrasco> *All* the information associated with a resource is metadata: Dublin Core, variants (language, formats), etc.
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: *All* the information associated with a resource is metadata: Dublin Core, variants (language, formats), etc. ←
13:49:49 <phila> ... should be first of many data jams for Africa
... should be first of many data jams for Africa ←
13:50:04 <phila> ... we'll be at IBM's beuolding a block from the Whitehouse
... we'll be at IBM's beuolding a block from the Whitehouse ←
13:50:09 <phila> ... ambassadors etc.
... ambassadors etc. ←
13:50:16 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open ←
13:50:20 <phila> Topic: Issues
13:50:24 <phila> issue-14?
13:50:24 <trackbot> issue-14 -- Improve Use case "Feedback Loop for Corrections" -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-14 -- Improve Use case "Feedback Loop for Corrections" -- open ←
13:50:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/14
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/14 ←
13:52:16 <ericstephan> +1 For having recommendation verification based on use cases
Eric Stephan: +1 For having recommendation verification based on use cases ←
13:52:34 <phila> deirdrelee: I agree with that - UCs need eveidence so that the BPs that follow have ground truth
Deirdre Lee: I agree with that - UCs need eveidence so that the BPs that follow have ground truth ←
13:52:53 <phila> ... so yes, we need to go through the issues and make sure that we've addressed them in the UCR
... so yes, we need to go through the issues and make sure that we've addressed them in the UCR ←
13:53:04 <phila> action: deirdrelee to work through UCR issues
ACTION: deirdrelee to work through UCR issues ←
13:53:04 <trackbot> Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. ←
13:53:12 <phila> action: deirdre to work through UCR issues
ACTION: deirdre to work through UCR issues ←
13:53:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Work through ucr issues [on Deirdre Lee - due 2014-08-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-61 - Work through ucr issues [on Deirdre Lee - due 2014-08-01]. ←
13:53:21 <phila> issue-41?
13:53:21 <trackbot> issue-41 -- Update Use Case #4 - OKFN Tranport WG -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-41 -- Update Use Case #4 - OKFN Tranport WG -- open ←
13:53:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/41
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/41 ←
13:54:07 <phila> deirdrelee: This came out of a presentation I saw at EDF that I haven't been able to find.
Deirdre Lee: This came out of a presentation I saw at EDF that I haven't been able to find. ←
13:54:13 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Leave it open for another week?
Hadley Beeman: Leave it open for another week? ←
13:54:17 <phila> deirdrelee: Yep
Deirdre Lee: Yep ←
13:54:27 <Zakim> -??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P14 ←
13:54:36 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/raised
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/raised ←
13:54:44 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
13:55:13 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Looks at diff between raised and open issues...
Hadley Beeman: Looks at diff between raised and open issues... ←
13:55:17 <ericstephan> is raise "suggested" versus open is agreed up by the wg
Eric Stephan: is raise "suggested" versus open is agreed up by the wg ←
13:55:47 <antoine> yes, eric, raised issues may be not opened if they are not in scope.
Antoine Isaac: yes, eric, raised issues may be not opened if they are not in scope. ←
13:56:07 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:56:50 <ericstephan> +q
Eric Stephan: +q ←
13:56:56 <phila> ack deirdrelee
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13:57:11 <phila> ack ericstephan
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13:57:14 <markharrison> "raised" appears to be unassigned to specific people, whereas actions are assigned to specific people
Mark Harrison: "raised" appears to be unassigned to specific people, whereas actions are assigned to specific people ←
13:57:25 <phila> ericstephan: Just to thank Antoine and Phil for responding - I'll get back to you
Eric Stephan: Just to thank Antoine and Phil for responding - I'll get back to you ←
13:57:40 <phila> deirdrelee: So this week in Ireland there's been a lot happening around open data.
Deirdre Lee: So this week in Ireland there's been a lot happening around open data. ←
13:57:49 <Zakim> -antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←
13:58:08 <phila> ... at the beginning of the year as had a contract with the Irish gov. Lots of local stuff but no national action.
... at the beginning of the year as had a contract with the Irish gov. Lots of local stuff but no national action. ←
13:58:17 <phila> ... they then joined OGP, opened the national data portal
... they then joined OGP, opened the national data portal ←
13:58:41 <phila> ... put out a tender for an alpha version of the portal, best practices etc
... put out a tender for an alpha version of the portal, best practices etc ←
13:58:46 <phila> ... all launched this week
... all launched this week ←
13:58:51 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Congratulations
Hadley Beeman: Congratulations ←
13:59:13 <phila> deirdrelee: There are lots of diff hand books and guidelines for people who may not be familiar with open data
Deirdre Lee: There are lots of diff hand books and guidelines for people who may not be familiar with open data ←
13:59:28 <phila> ... and because I was one of the co-authors so I think that may be useful to this WG
... and because I was one of the co-authors so I think that may be useful to this WG ←
13:59:37 <phila> ... I'll send the link to the actual report
... I'll send the link to the actual report ←
13:59:46 <phila> ... the portal is very alpha, a basic CKAN instance
... the portal is very alpha, a basic CKAN instance ←
13:59:56 <phila> ... lots to do, few licnececs etc
... lots to do, few licnececs etc ←
14:00:11 <phila> ... hoping to build quality portal
... hoping to build quality portal ←
14:00:20 <Zakim> - +1.516.353.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.516.353.aacc ←
14:00:21 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco
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14:00:24 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
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14:00:26 <Zakim> -ericstephan
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14:00:27 <phila> phila: +q to Hadley's congrats
Phil Archer: +q to Hadley's congrats ←
14:00:28 <nathalia_> bye
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: bye ←
14:00:29 <Zakim> -??P14
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14:00:31 <Zakim> -Yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yaso ←
14:00:32 <Zakim> -markharrison
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14:00:33 <Zakim> -phila
Zakim IRC Bot: -phila ←
14:00:50 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here?
Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here? ←
14:00:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see +3539149aaaa, HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +3539149aaaa, HadleyBeeman ←
14:00:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, deirdrelee, markharrison, yaso, antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, phila, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, deirdrelee, markharrison, yaso, antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, phila, trackbot ←
14:00:53 <phila> rrsagent, make logs public
rrsagent, make logs public ←
14:05:08 <Zakim> - +3539149aaaa
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14:05:10 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
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14:05:10 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended ←
14:05:10 <Zakim> Attendees were antoine, phila, MTCarrasco, flavio, newton, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, ericstephan, +3539149aaaa, Caroline_, +44.122.333.aabb, markharrison, +1.516.353.aacc,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were antoine, phila, MTCarrasco, flavio, newton, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, ericstephan, +3539149aaaa, Caroline_, +44.122.333.aabb, markharrison, +1.516.353.aacc, ←
14:05:10 <Zakim> ... nathalia_
Zakim IRC Bot: ... nathalia_ ←
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