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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 25 July 2014

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Antoine Isaac, Caroline Burle, Deirdre Lee, Eric Stephan, Flavio Yanai, Hadley Beeman, Joao Almeida, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Mark Harrison, Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício, Newton Calegari, Phil Archer, Steven Adler, Yaso Córdova
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Hadley Beeman
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Phil Archer
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  1. Accept last minutes link
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12:57:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

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12:57:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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12:57:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:57:29 <trackbot> Date: 25 July 2014
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12:59:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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12:59:55 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me

12:59:55 <Zakim> +antoine; got it

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13:00:27 <Zakim> +Yaso

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13:00:28 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: DWBP Weekly agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140725

Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: DWBP Weekly agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140725

13:00:40 <Zakim> +??P8

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13:00:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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13:00:54 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me

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13:00:54 <Zakim> +phila; got it

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13:01:06 <MTCarrasco> zakim,  ??P8 is me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, ??P8 is me

13:01:06 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it

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13:01:08 <Zakim> -Yaso

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13:01:42 <Zakim> +Yaso

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13:02:29 <phila> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

13:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see antoine, MTCarrasco, phila, Yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see antoine, MTCarrasco, phila, Yaso

13:02:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso, nathalia, newton, MTCarrasco, JoaoPauloAlmeida, antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, phila, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yaso, nathalia, newton, MTCarrasco, JoaoPauloAlmeida, antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, phila, trackbot

13:02:44 <phila> zakim, yaso has flavio, newton

Phil Archer: zakim, yaso has flavio, newton

13:02:44 <Zakim> +flavio, newton; got it

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13:02:44 <newton> yaso has newton, flavio

Newton Calegari: yaso has newton, flavio

13:03:53 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

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13:04:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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13:04:58 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, pick a victim

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13:04:58 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose flavio

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose flavio

13:05:10 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> IPcaller is me

Joao Almeida: IPcaller is me

13:05:18 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me

13:05:18 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

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13:05:36 <Zakim> +ericstephan

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13:05:45 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, pick a victim

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13:05:45 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MTCarrasco

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MTCarrasco

13:05:50 <yaso> Chair: HadleyBeeman
13:06:04 <phila> scribe: Phila

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

13:06:09 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-11

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-11

13:06:37 <phila> PROPOSED: Accept last minutes

PROPOSED: Accept last minutes

13:06:46 <phila> +1

+1

13:06:46 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

13:06:48 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:06:50 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:06:53 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa

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13:07:22 <MTCarrasco> I am willing to try to scribe, but I need administrative help

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I am willing to try to scribe, but I need administrative help

13:07:30 <nathalia> +1

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1

13:07:36 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

13:07:45 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:08:01 <flavio> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

13:08:29 <phila> RESOLVED: Accept last minutes

RESOLVED: Accept last minutes

13:08:36 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

13:08:41 <newton> zakim, yaso has Caroline_

Newton Calegari: zakim, yaso has Caroline_

13:08:41 <Zakim> +Caroline_; got it

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13:09:19 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Encourages everyone to register for TPAC

Hadley Beeman: Encourages everyone to register for TPAC

13:09:39 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ TPAC Details

-> http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ TPAC Details

13:10:05 <Zakim> + +44.122.333.aabb

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13:10:15 <phila> topic: Actions

1. Actions

13:10:21 <markharrison> Zakim, aabb is markharrison

Mark Harrison: Zakim, aabb is markharrison

13:10:22 <Zakim> +markharrison; got it

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13:10:28 <Zakim> + +1.516.353.aacc

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13:10:44 <phila> HadleyBeeman: There was a discussion 2 weeks ago about how to make these meetings more discusion based with more discussion on e-mail

Hadley Beeman: There was a discussion 2 weeks ago about how to make these meetings more discusion based with more discussion on e-mail

13:10:53 <adler1> hello everyone

Steven Adler: hello everyone

13:11:03 <phila> ... but this meeting is meant to be issues & actions, next week will be more discussion-y

... but this meeting is meant to be issues & actions, next week will be more discussion-y

13:11:13 <phila> ... which for non-native speakers is not a word ;-)

... which for non-native speakers is not a word ;-)

13:11:16 <MTCarrasco> Phil I have a problem hearing

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Phil I have a problem hearing

13:11:22 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open

13:11:36 <phila> action-32?

ACTION-32?

13:11:36 <trackbot> action-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN

13:11:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32

13:11:51 <phila> HadleyBeeman: I've just finished a project and so have more time to do that before next week

Hadley Beeman: I've just finished a project and so have more time to do that before next week

13:11:55 <phila> action-46/

ACTION-46/

13:11:55 <trackbot> action-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN

13:11:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46

13:12:19 <phila> yaso: I'm still working on that, sorry. I'll close this action in the next week

Yaso Córdova: I'm still working on that, sorry. I'll close this action in the next week

13:12:26 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Do you uave what you need?

Hadley Beeman: Do you uave what you need?

13:12:42 <phila> yaso: No. I think in the last meeting I was offered some help

Yaso Córdova: No. I think in the last meeting I was offered some help

13:12:51 <phila> ... but my colleage Renaldo went to the WoT workshop

... but my colleage Renaldo went to the WoT workshop

13:13:25 <phila> phila: you might find this useful, yaso http://www.w3.org/2014/02/wot/report

Phil Archer: you might find this useful, yaso http://www.w3.org/2014/02/wot/report

13:13:39 <phila> ... it's not yet published but if you know where to look... ;-)

... it's not yet published but if you know where to look... ;-)

13:14:10 <phila> yaso: I want to write a use case but the problem is that the companies don't want to open their data

Yaso Córdova: I want to write a use case but the problem is that the companies don't want to open their data

13:14:18 <phila> ... but we are working on an alternative

... but we are working on an alternative

13:15:26 <phila> ericstephan: I'm in the process of writing a use case related to the data management facility. That's for scientific means - we bring in various aspects of DWBP so that can be looked at to see if it's applicable

Eric Stephan: I'm in the process of writing a use case related to the data management facility. That's for scientific means - we bring in various aspects of DWBP so that can be looked at to see if it's applicable

13:15:52 <phila> yaso: I talked to some IoT people. They work with tracking big trucks in Brazil using sensors. They mentiuoned that they use their own protocols, not the Web

Yaso Córdova: I talked to some IoT people. They work with tracking big trucks in Brazil using sensors. They mentiuoned that they use their own protocols, not the Web

13:15:58 <newton> Zakim, yaso has nathalia_

Newton Calegari: Zakim, yaso has nathalia_

13:15:58 <Zakim> +nathalia_; got it

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13:16:09 <phila> ... but I'm still curious about it as at some points they'll use the Web. It's all very proprietary

... but I'm still curious about it as at some points they'll use the Web. It's all very proprietary

13:16:18 <phila> ericstephan: Our use case is more WoT than IoT

Eric Stephan: Our use case is more WoT than IoT

13:16:41 <phila> yaso: I think we can continue this by e-mail, but I'm almost at the conclusion that the hardware that people use is important

Yaso Córdova: I think we can continue this by e-mail, but I'm almost at the conclusion that the hardware that people use is important

13:16:55 <phila> ... it defines the kind of protocols that they use

... it defines the kind of protocols that they use

13:16:55 <markharrison> For track and trace, GS1 has developed open standards for exchange of event data within organisations and across supply chains - see the GS1 EPCIS standard http://www.gs1.org/gsmp/kc/epcglobal/epcis

Mark Harrison: For track and trace, GS1 has developed open standards for exchange of event data within organisations and across supply chains - see the GS1 EPCIS standard http://www.gs1.org/gsmp/kc/epcglobal/epcis

13:17:05 <phila> yaso: where the data is stored etc

Yaso Córdova: where the data is stored etc

13:17:14 <markharrison> +q

Mark Harrison: +q

13:17:16 <phila> yaso: I'll write about that

Yaso Córdova: I'll write about that

13:17:25 <phila> ericstephan: I'll get some text to you this w/e

Eric Stephan: I'll get some text to you this w/e

13:17:28 <phila> ack markharrison

ack markharrison

13:17:59 <phila> markharrison: GS1 has developed a relevant standard for track & trace. That might be of interest. We have some comapanies doing pilots

Mark Harrison: GS1 has developed a relevant standard for track & trace. That might be of interest. We have some comapanies doing pilots

13:18:07 <ericstephan> do you have a link for this Mark?

Eric Stephan: do you have a link for this markharrison?

13:18:11 <phila> ... healthcare, produce. Might be some use casesa from that work

... healthcare, produce. Might be some use casesa from that work

13:18:15 <phila> q+

q+

13:18:21 <phila> ack phila

ack phila

13:18:54 <HadleyBeeman> phila: How closely does that GS1 standard overlap with this group's work?  If not at all, should we interact with it?

Phil Archer: How closely does that GS1 standard overlap with this group's work? If not at all, should we interact with it? [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

13:18:59 <ericstephan> s/Mark/markharrison/
13:19:32 <phila> markharrison: I raised it in reponse to Yaso's comments about tracking trucks etc. But I think there are potential areas of overlap.

Mark Harrison: I raised it in reponse to Yaso's comments about tracking trucks etc. But I think there are potential areas of overlap.

13:19:40 <ericstephan> thank you, great

Eric Stephan: thank you, great

13:19:42 <phila> ... one is on the WoT and the other is on geolocation

... one is on the WoT and the other is on geolocation

13:19:52 <phila> ... which is event data, which has a location component

... which is event data, which has a location component

13:20:05 <phila> ... and it also has relation to the Social Web WG work as that is also event data

... and it also has relation to the Social Web WG work as that is also event data

13:20:21 <phila> ... it's an open data model for event data - what where when why etc.

... it's an open data model for event data - what where when why etc.

13:20:32 <phila> ... it's all agnostic to how the data is stored underneath

... it's all agnostic to how the data is stored underneath

13:20:44 <phila> ... there's no LD binding, it'as all XML and WS*

... there's no LD binding, it'as all XML and WS*

13:20:46 <flavio> I need to leave...

Flavio Yanai: I need to leave...

13:20:48 <flavio> bye

Flavio Yanai: bye

13:20:53 <phila> ... but is potentially relevant to a nuymber of W3C Activities

... but is potentially relevant to a nuymber of W3C Activities

13:20:59 <yaso> Bye, Tks Flavio

Yaso Córdova: Bye, Tks Flavio

13:21:11 <phila> ... we can certainly contribute some uase cases about what is being collected and shared

... we can certainly contribute some uase cases about what is being collected and shared

13:21:18 <phila> ... prob is it may be competitive info etc

... prob is it may be competitive info etc

13:22:03 <HadleyBeeman> new Social Web activities at W3C: http://www.w3.org/2014/06/social.html.en

Hadley Beeman: new Social Web activities at W3C: http://www.w3.org/2014/06/social.html.en

13:22:48 <ericstephan> +q

Eric Stephan: +q

13:22:59 <Zakim> -??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P14

13:23:14 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

13:23:33 <phila> markharrison: not it's not irrelevant because it's not LD :-)

Mark Harrison: not it's not irrelevant because it's not LD :-)

13:23:39 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:23:53 <phila> ericstephan: Some things on the WoT get introcued by a human operator doing an experiement etc.

Eric Stephan: Some things on the WoT get introcued by a human operator doing an experiement etc.

13:24:17 <phila> ... so you perhaps need to think about that background. And Social Web is interesting in that context

... so you perhaps need to think about that background. And Social Web is interesting in that context

13:24:21 <phila> q- ericstephan

q- ericstephan

13:24:27 <phila> ack MTCarrasco

ack MTCarrasco

13:24:52 <phila> MTCarrasco: I agree with this discussion - there's a huge overlap here. We're all looking at the same elephant from a differnet direction

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I agree with this discussion - there's a huge overlap here. We're all looking at the same elephant from a differnet direction

13:25:09 <phila> ... the data is a common thread - there's ahuge overlap

... the data is a common thread - there's a huge overlap

13:25:14 <phila> s/ahuge/a huge/
13:25:34 <markharrison> +q

Mark Harrison: +q

13:25:40 <phila> MTCarrasco: I'm not sure how to include it all etc.

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I'm not sure how to include it all etc.

13:25:45 <HadleyBeeman> ack mark

Hadley Beeman: ack mark

13:25:55 <phila> markharrison: EPCIS is primarily about abservations of things at places and times.

Mark Harrison: EPCIS is primarily about abservations of things at places and times.

13:26:13 <phila> ... it doesn't currently handle sensor data in its current form, but it could contrinute to a future W3C WG

... it doesn't currently handle sensor data in its current form, but it could contrinute to a future W3C WG

13:26:31 <phila> ... that might work in the geo WG

... that might work in the geo WG

13:26:41 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/geo-charter Spatial data WG (proposed)

-> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/geo-charter Spatial data WG (proposed)

13:27:04 <phila> markharrison: It's important, I think, that W3C has a coherent events data model, whether it's about organisations, or things, otr people

Mark Harrison: It's important, I think, that W3C has a coherent events data model, whether it's about organisations, or things, or people

13:27:16 <phila> phila takes note, thanks Mark

phila takes note, thanks Mark

13:27:24 <phila> s/otr/or/
13:27:47 <phila> HadleyBeeman: I agree that events is something that will hit a number of areas

Hadley Beeman: I agree that events is something that will hit a number of areas

13:27:53 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.gs1.org/gsmp/kc/epcglobal/cbv

Hadley Beeman: http://www.gs1.org/gsmp/kc/epcglobal/cbv

13:28:04 <phila> markharrison: And there's the Core Business Vocabulary for things like transaction identifiers etc

Mark Harrison: And there's the Core Business Vocabulary for things like transaction identifiers etc

13:28:33 <phila> action-51?

ACTION-51?

13:28:33 <trackbot> action-51 -- Eric Stephan to Work with sumitpurohit to put a wiki page together showing other examples of closed data that may not be in the ucr -- due 2014-06-27 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-51 -- Eric Stephan to Work with sumitpurohit to put a wiki page together showing other examples of closed data that may not be in the ucr -- due 2014-06-27 -- OPEN

13:28:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/51

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/51

13:28:42 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> events or ocurrences is one area of "foundation ontology" that will anyway affect "domain ontologies"

Joao Almeida: events or ocurrences is one area of "foundation ontology" that will anyway affect "domain ontologies"

13:29:06 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Closed_Data_Examples

Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Closed_Data_Examples

13:29:20 <phila> ericstephan: OK, yes... not sure I I sent this out but Sumit and I put some egs together ^

Eric Stephan: OK, yes... not sure I I sent this out but Sumit and I put some egs together ^

13:29:49 <phila> ... they're points for conversation. Just some thoughts we had for different types of example that relate to open data but don't specifically fit into the OD categoty

... they're points for conversation. Just some thoughts we had for different types of example that relate to open data but don't specifically fit into the OD categoty

13:29:56 <phila> ... feedback would be welcome

... feedback would be welcome

13:30:13 <phila> ... it would be good to be able to list more use cases that relate to some of these aspectrs

... it would be good to be able to list more use cases that relate to some of these aspectrs

13:30:26 <phila> phila: Cue Deirdre

Phil Archer: Cue Deirdre

13:30:39 <phila> deirdrelee: That's the kind of feedback I'm looking for from my last e-mail

Deirdre Lee: That's the kind of feedback I'm looking for from my last e-mail

13:30:51 <phila> ... I wanted to give people a chance to talk about this sort of thing on these calls

... I wanted to give people a chance to talk about this sort of thing on these calls

13:31:05 <phila> ... should these be included or not, what actual use cases do we need/have

... should these be included or not, what actual use cases do we need/have

13:31:24 <phila> ... if I look at the other networks I'm in (Share-PSI etc.) then this is a helpful reference point

... if I look at the other networks I'm in (Share-PSI etc.) then this is a helpful reference point

13:31:31 <phila> ... so see my e-mail on this

... so see my e-mail on this

13:31:41 <markharrison> +q to say that I might be able to contribute examples of closed / access-restricted data from supply chain traceability e.g. for pharmaceuticals

Mark Harrison: +q to say that I might be able to contribute examples of closed / access-restricted data from supply chain traceability e.g. for pharmaceuticals

13:31:43 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

13:32:04 <phila> ericstephan: to me this represents an opportunity to connect with communities who don't necessarily see themselves as being part of the data on the Web

Eric Stephan: to me this represents an opportunity to connect with communities who don't necessarily see themselves as being part of the data on the Web

13:32:11 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:32:15 <phila> adler1: so this is data behind the firewall

Steven Adler: so this is data behind the firewall

13:32:34 <phila> adler1: What about data shared within an organisation but not publicly - that's open data from that company's POV

Steven Adler: What about data shared within an organisation but not publicly - that's open data from that company's POV

13:32:47 <phila> ericstephan: Yeah, we have data like that, open to the community but not the world

Eric Stephan: Yeah, we have data like that, open to the community but not the world

13:32:51 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman

13:33:04 <phila> adler1: I'm seeing increased interest in 'open behind the firewall data'

Steven Adler: I'm seeing increased interest in 'open behind the firewall data'

13:33:32 <phila> ... corproations the size of mine with vast amounts of data. We can open it internally and ask developers in diff departments to use that

... corproations the size of mine with vast amounts of data. We can open it internally and ask developers in diff departments to use that

13:33:43 <phila> ericstephan: I like the idea of calling that open data within a corporate body

Eric Stephan: I like the idea of calling that open data within a corporate body

13:34:05 <phila> ... but I've been reluctatnt to call it open data

... but I've been reluctatnt to call it open data

13:34:27 <phila> adler1: There are interesting privacy issues. A lot of the data we're talking about is personal, customer info, etc.

Steven Adler: There are interesting privacy issues. A lot of the data we're talking about is personal, customer info, etc.

13:34:39 <phila> ... so the privacy rules are very challenging, even behind the firewall

... so the privacy rules are very challenging, even behind the firewall

13:34:49 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

13:34:51 <phila> ... it requires new types of authorisation engines

... it requires new types of authorisation engines

13:35:17 <phila> ... e.g. sharing bank data among otehr banks, within and outwith the EU etc.

... e.g. sharing bank data among otehr banks, within and outwith the EU etc.

13:35:25 <phila> ... makes in interesting matrix of controls

... makes in interesting matrix of controls

13:35:36 <phila> ... different from open or not discussion

... different from open or not discussion

13:35:46 <phila> ... it's 'publish and control'

... it's 'publish and control'

13:36:07 <phila> adler1: I think a lot of what we're doing around DCAT+ is relevant but the rules are very complicatewd

Steven Adler: I think a lot of what we're doing around DCAT+ is relevant but the rules are very complicatewd

13:36:12 <phila> ack markharrison

ack markharrison

13:36:12 <Zakim> markharrison, you wanted to say that I might be able to contribute examples of closed / access-restricted data from supply chain traceability e.g. for pharmaceuticals

Zakim IRC Bot: markharrison, you wanted to say that I might be able to contribute examples of closed / access-restricted data from supply chain traceability e.g. for pharmaceuticals

13:36:34 <phila> markharrison: on closed vs open, we have situations where data is being expressed and exchanged in open format but very restricted distribution

Mark Harrison: on closed vs open, we have situations where data is being expressed and exchanged in open format but very restricted distribution

13:36:44 <phila> ... it's open data formats and ideas from point to point

... it's open data formats and ideas from point to point

13:37:16 <phila> ... on the auth engine complexity - is there an unbroken chain of trust between the info requester and the provier when there is no direct connectsion. ege a retailer many links along the chain from a manufacturer

... on the auth engine complexity - is there an unbroken chain of trust between the info requester and the provier when there is no direct connectsion. ege a retailer many links along the chain from a manufacturer

13:37:18 <phila> q+

q+

13:37:21 <phila> ack MTCarrasco

ack MTCarrasco

13:37:48 <ericstephan> perhaps open data only is one direction in some cases as opposed to bidirectional

Eric Stephan: perhaps open data only is one direction in some cases as opposed to bidirectional

13:37:57 <phila> MTCarrasco: Talking about open data - more like OD style of publishing. We don't have HTTP for intranet and a diff one for the public, just the firewall in the middle

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Talking about open data - more like OD style of publishing. We don't have HTTP for intranet and a diff one for the public, just the firewall in the middle

13:38:06 <phila> ... one has to think in terms of access control lists

... one has to think in terms of access control lists

13:38:15 <phila> ... open to individuals, groups and the worl

... open to individuals, groups and the worl

13:38:20 <phila> HadleyBeeman: +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

13:38:41 <Zakim> -??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P14

13:38:46 <phila> ... when we were working on LD in the GLD, some of it was behind the firewall, some was internal. It doesn't mean using diff architecture, it's the same

... when we were working on LD in the GLD, some of it was behind the firewall, some was internal. It doesn't mean using diff architecture, it's the same

13:38:55 <phila> ack HadleyBeeman

ack HadleyBeeman

13:39:02 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

13:39:03 <phila> ... and that's in scope for DWBP

... and that's in scope for DWBP

13:39:08 <phila> q-

q-

13:39:43 <phila> close action-51

close ACTION-51

13:39:43 <trackbot> Closed action-51.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-51.

13:39:52 <markharrison> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Guidance_on_the_Provision_of_Metadata#Intrinsic_vs_Extrinsic_Metadata

Mark Harrison: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Guidance_on_the_Provision_of_Metadata#Intrinsic_vs_Extrinsic_Metadata

13:39:56 <phila> action-54?

ACTION-54?

13:39:56 <trackbot> action-54 -- Mark Harrison to Write to write up definitions on intrinsic metadata -- due 2014-07-04 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-54 -- Mark Harrison to Write to write up definitions on intrinsic metadata -- due 2014-07-04 -- OPEN

13:39:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/54

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/54

13:40:22 <phila> markharrison: So far I've written lists of what I think are different in|extrinsic metadata

Mark Harrison: So far I've written lists of what I think are different in|extrinsic metadata

13:40:31 <phila> ... there have been diagrams and discussion about whether they are helpful

... there have been diagrams and discussion about whether they are helpful

13:40:46 <phila> ... Bernadette suggested having examples of different types

... Bernadette suggested having examples of different types

13:40:55 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Does anyone have any comments

Hadley Beeman: Does anyone have any comments

13:41:01 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:41:04 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:41:16 <phila> ack antoine

ack antoine

13:41:45 <phila> antoine: I was involved in this discussion. I wasn't convinced by the diagrams. Maybe the examples can be useful but I ...

Antoine Isaac: I was involved in this discussion. I wasn't convinced by the diagrams. Maybe the examples can be useful but I ...

13:41:59 <phila> ... see need to change the text

... see need to change the text

13:42:04 <phila> ack MTCarrasco

ack MTCarrasco

13:42:30 <phila> MTCarrasco: Cutting the metadata into fine pieces...  what do you call all the data associated with a resource?

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Cutting the metadata into fine pieces... what do you call all the data associated with a resource?

13:42:43 <phila> ... in the same time, in the resource you may have differnet variants of the resource

... in the same time, in the resource you may have differnet variants of the resource

13:43:02 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> does it make sense to talk about "all data"?

Joao Almeida: does it make sense to talk about "all data"?

13:43:02 <phila> ... all the info associated with the resource. Is it variants?

... all the info associated with the resource. Is it variants?

13:43:02 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:43:07 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> in an open world?

Joao Almeida: in an open world?

13:43:16 <phila> markharrison: Thats' why I tried to break it down into intrinsic and extrinsic metadata

Mark Harrison: Thats' why I tried to break it down into intrinsic and extrinsic metadata

13:43:30 <phila> ... that's how I tried to split it (whether I succeeded or not)

... that's how I tried to split it (whether I succeeded or not)

13:43:53 <phila> MTCarrasco: Did you call the variants in the data part of the metadata or the data?

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Did you call the variants in the data part of the metadata or the data?

13:43:59 <phila> ... eg the Teaty of Rome

... eg the Teaty of Rome

13:44:13 <phila> ... you have a URI, but there are differnet formats, langauges etc

... you have a URI, but there are differnet formats, langauges etc

13:44:22 <phila> q+ to talk about versioned assets

q+ to talk about versioned assets

13:44:35 <phila> markharrison: Diff representation of the same thing

Mark Harrison: Diff representation of the same thing

13:45:10 <phila> markharrison: I would say that's metadata that is extrinsic. The Treaty of Rome has the same info irrespective of language and format

Mark Harrison: I would say that's metadata that is extrinsic. The Treaty of Rome has the same info irrespective of language and format

13:45:27 <phila> ... they're outside the graph of the data. So I'd say they're metadata

... they're outside the graph of the data. So I'd say they're metadata

13:45:38 <phila> ... formats, variants and language translations are all important

... formats, variants and language translations are all important

13:46:03 <phila> MTCarrasco: I don't mind how this things are categorised. The variant list is still part of the metadata

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I don't mind how this things are categorised. The variant list is still part of the metadata

13:46:16 <phila> HadleyBeeman: cuts discussion short for time

Hadley Beeman: cuts discussion short for time

13:46:23 <adler1> sad that the discussion has ended

Steven Adler: sad that the discussion has ended

13:46:31 <phila> q-

q-

13:46:49 <antoine> q-

Antoine Isaac: q-

13:46:50 <phila> q- antoine

q- antoine

13:46:55 <adler1> I was just beginning to understand what they were talking about :-)

Steven Adler: I was just beginning to understand what they were talking about :-)

13:47:06 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Please carry that on via e-mail

Hadley Beeman: Please carry that on via e-mail

13:47:17 <phila> action: markharrison to continue this discussion by e-mail

ACTION: markharrison to continue this discussion by e-mail

13:47:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Continue this discussion by e-mail [on Mark Harrison - due 2014-08-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-60 - Continue this discussion by e-mail [on Mark Harrison - due 2014-08-01].

13:47:27 <HadleyBeeman> action-55?

Hadley Beeman: ACTION-55?

13:47:27 <trackbot> action-55 -- Eric Stephan to Seek feedback on json-ld version of dcat schema, using, for example http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ with http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-55 -- Eric Stephan to Seek feedback on json-ld version of dcat schema, using, for example http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ with http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN

13:47:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/55

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/55

13:47:45 <adler1> q+

Steven Adler: q+

13:47:57 <phila> ack adler1

ack adler1

13:47:58 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open

13:48:11 <phila> adler1: I think I sent out a note last week about the Open data Africa event

Steven Adler: I think I sent out a note last week about the Open data Africa event

13:48:12 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:48:20 <phila> q- adler

q- adler

13:48:47 <phila> adler1: Next week the White House is hosting a big meeting for African leaders around open data issues. I'm working with a bunch of agencies ot host an open data jam

Steven Adler: Next week the White House is hosting a big meeting for African leaders around open data issues. I'm working with a bunch of agencies ot host an open data jam

13:49:02 <phila> ... to help African countries to improve their open data work

... to help African countries to improve their open data work

13:49:03 <ericstephan> That sounds so exciting, wish I could be there....

Eric Stephan: That sounds so exciting, wish I could be there....

13:49:22 <phila> ... looking to find developers who can help this happen

... looking to find developers who can help this happen

13:49:37 <phila> ... event will be simulcast in audio

... event will be simulcast in audio

13:49:45 <MTCarrasco> *All* the information associated with a resource is metadata: Dublin Core, variants (language, formats), etc.

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: *All* the information associated with a resource is metadata: Dublin Core, variants (language, formats), etc.

13:49:49 <phila> ... should be first of many data jams for Africa

... should be first of many data jams for Africa

13:50:04 <phila> ... we'll be at IBM's beuolding a block from the Whitehouse

... we'll be at IBM's beuolding a block from the Whitehouse

13:50:09 <phila> ... ambassadors etc.

... ambassadors etc.

13:50:16 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open

13:50:20 <phila> Topic: Issues

2. Issues

13:50:24 <phila> issue-14?

ISSUE-14?

13:50:24 <trackbot> issue-14 -- Improve Use case "Feedback Loop for Corrections" -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-14 -- Improve Use case "Feedback Loop for Corrections" -- open

13:50:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/14

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/14

13:52:16 <ericstephan> +1 For having recommendation verification based on use cases

Eric Stephan: +1 For having recommendation verification based on use cases

13:52:34 <phila> deirdrelee: I agree with that - UCs need eveidence so that the BPs that follow have ground truth

Deirdre Lee: I agree with that - UCs need eveidence so that the BPs that follow have ground truth

13:52:53 <phila> ... so yes, we need to go through the issues and make sure that we've addressed them in the UCR

... so yes, we need to go through the issues and make sure that we've addressed them in the UCR

13:53:04 <phila> action: deirdrelee to work through UCR issues

ACTION: deirdrelee to work through UCR issues

13:53:04 <trackbot> Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

13:53:12 <phila> action: deirdre to work through UCR issues

ACTION: deirdre to work through UCR issues

13:53:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Work through ucr issues [on Deirdre Lee - due 2014-08-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-61 - Work through ucr issues [on Deirdre Lee - due 2014-08-01].

13:53:21 <phila> issue-41?

ISSUE-41?

13:53:21 <trackbot> issue-41 -- Update Use Case #4 - OKFN Tranport WG -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-41 -- Update Use Case #4 - OKFN Tranport WG -- open

13:53:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/41

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/41

13:54:07 <phila> deirdrelee: This came out of a presentation I saw at EDF that I haven't been able to find.

Deirdre Lee: This came out of a presentation I saw at EDF that I haven't been able to find.

13:54:13 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Leave it open for another week?

Hadley Beeman: Leave it open for another week?

13:54:17 <phila> deirdrelee: Yep

Deirdre Lee: Yep

13:54:27 <Zakim> -??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P14

13:54:36 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/raised

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/raised

13:54:44 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

13:55:13 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Looks at diff between raised and open issues...

Hadley Beeman: Looks at diff between raised and open issues...

13:55:17 <ericstephan> is raise "suggested" versus open is agreed up by the wg

Eric Stephan: is raise "suggested" versus open is agreed up by the wg

13:55:47 <antoine> yes, eric, raised issues may be not opened if they are not in scope.

Antoine Isaac: yes, eric, raised issues may be not opened if they are not in scope.

13:56:07 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:56:50 <ericstephan> +q

Eric Stephan: +q

13:56:56 <phila> ack deirdrelee

ack deirdrelee

13:57:11 <phila> ack ericstephan

ack ericstephan

13:57:14 <markharrison> "raised" appears to be unassigned to specific people, whereas actions are assigned to specific people

Mark Harrison: "raised" appears to be unassigned to specific people, whereas actions are assigned to specific people

13:57:25 <phila> ericstephan: Just to thank Antoine and Phil for responding - I'll get back to you

Eric Stephan: Just to thank Antoine and Phil for responding - I'll get back to you

13:57:40 <phila> deirdrelee: So this week in Ireland there's been a lot happening around open data.

Deirdre Lee: So this week in Ireland there's been a lot happening around open data.

13:57:49 <Zakim> -antoine

Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine

13:58:08 <phila> ... at the beginning of the year as had a contract with the Irish gov. Lots of local stuff but no national action.

... at the beginning of the year as had a contract with the Irish gov. Lots of local stuff but no national action.

13:58:17 <phila> ... they then joined OGP, opened the national data portal

... they then joined OGP, opened the national data portal

13:58:41 <phila> ... put out a tender for an alpha version of the portal, best practices etc

... put out a tender for an alpha version of the portal, best practices etc

13:58:46 <phila> ... all launched this week

... all launched this week

13:58:51 <phila> HadleyBeeman: Congratulations

Hadley Beeman: Congratulations

13:59:13 <phila> deirdrelee: There are lots of diff hand books and guidelines for people who may not be familiar with open data

Deirdre Lee: There are lots of diff hand books and guidelines for people who may not be familiar with open data

13:59:28 <phila> ... and because I was one of the co-authors so I think that may be useful to this WG

... and because I was one of the co-authors so I think that may be useful to this WG

13:59:37 <phila> ... I'll send the link to the actual report

... I'll send the link to the actual report

13:59:46 <phila> ... the portal is very alpha, a basic CKAN instance

... the portal is very alpha, a basic CKAN instance

13:59:56 <phila> ... lots to do, few licnececs etc

... lots to do, few licnececs etc

14:00:11 <phila> ... hoping to build quality portal

... hoping to build quality portal

14:00:20 <Zakim> - +1.516.353.aacc

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14:00:21 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco

Zakim IRC Bot: -MTCarrasco

14:00:24 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

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14:00:26 <Zakim> -ericstephan

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14:00:27 <phila> phila: +q to Hadley's congrats

Phil Archer: +q to Hadley's congrats

14:00:28 <nathalia_> bye

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: bye

14:00:29 <Zakim> -??P14

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14:00:31 <Zakim> -Yaso

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14:00:32 <Zakim> -markharrison

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14:00:33 <Zakim> -phila

Zakim IRC Bot: -phila

14:00:50 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here?

14:00:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see +3539149aaaa, HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +3539149aaaa, HadleyBeeman

14:00:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, deirdrelee, markharrison, yaso, antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, phila, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, deirdrelee, markharrison, yaso, antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, phila, trackbot

14:00:53 <phila> rrsagent, make logs public

rrsagent, make logs public

14:05:08 <Zakim> - +3539149aaaa

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14:05:10 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

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14:05:10 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended

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14:05:10 <Zakim> Attendees were antoine, phila, MTCarrasco, flavio, newton, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, ericstephan, +3539149aaaa, Caroline_, +44.122.333.aabb, markharrison, +1.516.353.aacc,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were antoine, phila, MTCarrasco, flavio, newton, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, ericstephan, +3539149aaaa, Caroline_, +44.122.333.aabb, markharrison, +1.516.353.aacc,

14:05:10 <Zakim> ... nathalia_

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