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DWBP Weekly

Minutes of 11 July 2014

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140711
Seen
Antoine Isaac, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Iglesias, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Eric Kauz, Eric Stephan, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, Ivan Herman, Jeremy Debattista, Mark Harrison, Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício, Newton Calegari, Phil Archer, Steven Adler, Wagner Meira Jr., Yaso Córdova
Regrets
Mark Harrison, Hadley Beeman
Chair
Steven Adler
Scribe
Eric Kauz
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes from 27 June link
  2. We delegate action & issue tracking to Task Force Leaders link
  3. Every other call, we'll do general tracking in which the Team Leaders inform everyone on progress and areas that need further discussion link
Topics
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12:38:18 <phila> Meeting: DWBP Weekly
12:38:26 <phila> Chair: Steve
12:38:39 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140711
12:39:09 <phila> Regrets: Mark Harrison, Hadley Beeman
12:58:15 <antoine> present+ antoine

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Antoine Isaac: present+ antoine

12:58:54 <phila> present+ Phil

Phil Archer: present+ Phil

13:02:00 <adler1> will open the line in a sec

Steven Adler: will open the line in a sec

13:02:31 <phila> present+ ericstephan

Phil Archer: present+ ericstephan

13:02:39 <gatemezi> present + gatemezi

Ghislain Atemezing: present + gatemezi

13:02:54 <phila> present+ Eric Kauz

Phil Archer: present+ Eric Kauz

13:03:47 <ivan> present+ ivan

Ivan Herman: present+ ivan

13:03:58 <adler1> present+ adler1

Steven Adler: present+ adler1

13:04:47 <laufer> present+ laufer

Carlos Laufer: present+ laufer

13:05:00 <EricKauz> present+ EricKauz

Eric Kauz: present+ EricKauz

13:05:35 <phila> present+ Wagner

Phil Archer: present+ Wagner

13:06:02 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140711
13:06:39 <antoine> the minutes will be at http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-11 !

Antoine Isaac: the minutes will be at http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-11 !

13:06:52 <phila> scribe: EricKauz

(Scribe set to Eric Kauz)

13:07:10 <antoine> minutes last call: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-27

Antoine Isaac: minutes last call: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-27

13:07:37 <phila> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from 27 June

PROPOSED: Approve minutes from 27 June

13:08:01 <yaso> d4d

Yaso Córdova: d4d

13:08:12 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

13:08:13 <adler1> +1

Steven Adler: +1

13:08:17 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

13:08:20 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:08:30 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:08:32 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:08:33 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

13:08:36 <phila> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from 27 June

RESOLVED: Approve minutes from 27 June

13:09:06 <phila> present+ Yaso

Phil Archer: present+ Yaso

13:09:33 <yaso> ¬¬

Yaso Córdova: ¬¬

13:10:29 <phila> General discussion about the World Cup situation. Let the record show the scoreline of Germany 7, Brazil 1

Phil Archer: General discussion about the World Cup situation. Let the record show the scoreline of Germany 7, Brazil 1

13:11:09 <nathalia> yaso has nathalia

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: yaso has nathalia

13:11:12 <phila> Topic: August schedule

1. August schedule

13:11:18 <phila> present+ Nathalia

Phil Archer: present+ Nathalia

13:11:24 <EricKauz> ericstephan: smaller working groups having intense conversations, DWBP becoming checklist call.

Eric Stephan: smaller working groups having intense conversations, DWBP becoming checklist call.

13:11:24 <newton> yaso has newton

Newton Calegari: yaso has newton

13:11:47 <newton> present+ newton

Newton Calegari: present+ newton

13:11:53 <phila> adler1: These calls have become a checklist monitoring session, given that a lot of work is being done in the task forces

Steven Adler: These calls have become a checklist monitoring session, given that a lot of work is being done in the task forces [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:11:56 <EricKauz> Do we need to have these calls weel;y

Do we need to have these calls weel;y

13:12:29 <phila> PROPOSAL: Move these Friday calls to every 2 weeks

PROPOSED: Move these Friday calls to every 2 weeks

13:12:57 <jerdeb> present +jerdeb

Jeremy Debattista: present +jerdeb

13:13:27 <phila> ericstephan: spoke in support of moving to bi-weekly

Eric Stephan: spoke in support of moving to bi-weekly [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:13:40 <phila> antoine: I think these calls are useful to discuss the UCR

Antoine Isaac: I think these calls are useful to discuss the UCR [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:13:40 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues

Antoine Isaac: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues

13:13:43 <newton> yaso has Caroline_

Newton Calegari: yaso has Caroline_

13:13:50 <phila> ... there's still not much to build the vocabularies on

Phil Archer: ... there's still not much to build the vocabularies on

13:14:00 <Caroline_> present+ Caroline_ }

Caroline Burle: present+ Caroline_ }

13:14:02 <phila> ... we had some good discussion when the FPWD of the UCR was submitted

Phil Archer: ... we had some good discussion when the FPWD of the UCR was submitted

13:14:11 <phila> adler1: OK

Steven Adler: OK [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:14:13 <Caroline_> present+ Caroline_

Caroline Burle: present+ Caroline_

13:15:03 <phila> laufer: I think you're right that we have akind of checklist in each call, but when we do have discussions, they are very interesting

Carlos Laufer: I think you're right that we have akind of checklist in each call, but when we do have discussions, they are very interesting [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:15:15 <EricKauz> laufer:  when we have discussions they are interesting, if every two weeks not enought time to discuss

Carlos Laufer: when we have discussions they are interesting, if every two weeks not enought time to discuss

13:15:16 <phila> ... I think a call every 2 weeks means we'll have even less time for interesting discussions

Phil Archer: ... I think a call every 2 weeks means we'll have even less time for interesting discussions

13:15:31 <phila> adler1: I actually agree with both you, Laufer and Antoine

Steven Adler: I actually agree with both you, Laufer and Antoine [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:15:43 <phila> ... I agree that the intellectual discussions are enjoyable

Phil Archer: ... I agree that the intellectual discussions are enjoyable

13:16:06 <phila> ... but we did the checklist to create an organisational behaviour of achievement - and that seems to have succeeded

Phil Archer: ... but we did the checklist to create an organisational behaviour of achievement - and that seems to have succeeded

13:16:18 <phila> ... you've all become very good at making progress

Phil Archer: ... you've all become very good at making progress

13:16:44 <phila> adler1: Are you able to maintain that momentum on vocabs and BPs?

Steven Adler: Are you able to maintain that momentum on vocabs and BPs? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:16:48 <EricKauz> adler1: can we take the aggregate checklist and move them into the task force teames

Steven Adler: can we take the aggregate checklist and move them into the task force teams

13:17:12 <EricKauz> adler1: use the dwbp calls to talk on how they fit together

Steven Adler: use the dwbp calls to talk on how they fit together

13:17:27 <gatemezi> s/teames/teams
13:18:06 <EricKauz> phila: worries about momentum. over next few months people go into semi-mute mode, meet once a month etc. hard to get it going again.

Phil Archer: worries about momentum. over next few months people go into semi-mute mode, meet once a month etc. hard to get it going again.

13:19:05 <EricKauz> phila: too much of friday call is actions and issues. we should time box, issues and actions limited amount of time (20 min). bulk of meeting intellectual things, may achieve what we want

Phil Archer: too much of friday call is actions and issues. we should time box, issues and actions limited amount of time (20 min). bulk of meeting intellectual things, may achieve what we want

13:20:06 <EricKauz> laufer: momentum is ingrained behavior, can the perpetuate this behavior within individual work groups. group check every other week, interval call for guidance

Steven Adler: momentum is ingrained behavior, can the perpetuate this behavior within individual work groups. group check every other week, interval call for guidance

13:20:39 <EricKauz> laufer: interval call focus on a single issue and every other week for checklist.

Steven Adler: interval call focus on a single issue and every other week for checklist.

13:21:03 <laufer> eric, steve is talking not me

Carlos Laufer: eric, steve is talking not me

13:21:16 <EricKauz> phila: concern is that people will not show up.

Phil Archer: concern is that people will only show up to every other week.

13:21:34 <phila> s/not show up/only show up to every other week/
13:22:20 <laufer> s/laufer: momentum/steve: momentum/
13:22:28 <phila> present+ Carlos Iglesias, Newton

Phil Archer: present+ Carlos Iglesias, Newton

13:22:32 <EricKauz> ericstephan: for people not engaged in subgroups, will there be a sense of alienation or loss of momentum

Eric Stephan: for people not engaged in subgroups, will there be a sense of alienation or loss of momentum

13:22:55 <laufer> s/laufer: interval/steve: interval/
13:23:37 <EricKauz> ericstephan: there was an example of someone who is not in group, (didnt catch name)

Eric Stephan: there was an example of someone who is not in group, (didnt catch name)

13:24:17 <EricKauz> adler1: should do poll regarding who is not on any subteams.

Steven Adler: should do poll regarding who is not on any subteams.

13:26:00 <EricKauz> ericstephan: summer schedule puts pressure on us to have a certain momentum going into august for face to face, that we are working on things that matter.

Eric Stephan: summer schedule puts pressure on us to have a certain momentum going into august for face to face, that we are working on things that matter.

13:26:27 <yaso> +1 to Steve

Yaso Córdova: +1 to Steve

13:26:33 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:26:42 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

13:27:39 <EricKauz> phila: suggestion, here is what we have been doing session is valuable, but similar to structure in weekly team meetings.  sessions include what have we been up to.

Phil Archer: suggestion, here is what we have been doing session is valuable, but similar to structure in weekly team meetings. sessions include what have we been up to.

13:28:04 <EricKauz> phila: report on what people have been doing, spurs discussion. everyone has ability for input.

Phil Archer: report on what people have been doing, spurs discussion. everyone has ability for input.

13:28:45 <phila> present+ Makx

Phil Archer: present+ Makx

13:28:48 <EricKauz> phila:  then do updates. need to set target for what we will achieve post tpac, which will help set agendas for meetings before.

Phil Archer: then do updates. need to set target for what we will achieve post tpac, which will help set agendas for meetings before.

13:29:32 <EricKauz> phila: some meetings to reports, some issues and actions, if group wants focus on issues then can change.

Phil Archer: some meetings to reports, some issues and actions, if group wants focus on issues then can change.

13:30:07 <EricKauz> laufer: ? are we managing tasks within each work group effectively.

Steven Adler: ? are we managing tasks within each work group effectively.

13:30:13 <phila> BernadetteLoscio - are you happy to take care of issues and actions within the task force rather than here in the weekly calls?

Phil Archer: BernadetteLoscio - are you happy to take care of issues and actions within the task force rather than here in the weekly calls?

13:30:26 <EricKauz> ... teams managing action items.

... teams managing action items.

13:30:55 <laufer> EricK, it is adler1 that is talking

Carlos Laufer: EricK, it is adler1 that is talking

13:31:11 <EricKauz> sorry, american accents are confusing

sorry, american accents are confusing

13:31:56 <phila> PROPOSAL: We delegate action & issue tracking to Task Force Leaders

PROPOSED: We delegate action & issue tracking to Task Force Leaders

13:32:13 <adler1> +1

Steven Adler: +1

13:32:17 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:32:18 <laufer> s/laufer: ?/adler1: ?/
13:32:21 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

13:32:24 <adler1> yes we will still discuss everything in emails

Steven Adler: yes we will still discuss everything in emails

13:32:26 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

13:32:27 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

13:32:28 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:32:34 <EricKauz> +1

+1

13:32:39 <phila> RESOLVED: We delegate action & issue tracking to Task Force Leaders

RESOLVED: We delegate action & issue tracking to Task Force Leaders

13:32:46 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

13:33:27 <phila> PROPOSAL: Every other call, we'll do general tracking in which the Team Leaders inform everyone on progress and areas that need further discussion

PROPOSED: Every other call, we'll do general tracking in which the Team Leaders inform everyone on progress and areas that need further discussion

13:33:37 <EricKauz> adler1: do not need to run through entire list, need to talk about what we havent done. what are we having problems with

Steven Adler: do not need to run through entire list, need to talk about what we havent done. what are we having problems with

13:34:09 <EricKauz> adler: team leaders are responsible.

Steven Adler: team leaders are responsible.

13:34:23 <gatemezi> s/adler/adler1
13:34:40 <EricKauz> ericstephan: editors are co-leads

Eric Stephan: editors are co-leads

13:34:55 <phila> Vocab leads are Bernadette, Ereic S, Antoine and Bert

Phil Archer: Vocab leads are Bernadette, ericstephanS, Antoine and Bert

13:35:05 <EricKauz> phila: who is bp lead

Phil Archer: who is bp lead

13:35:12 <phila> BernadetteLoscio - you're BP lead, right?

Phil Archer: BernadetteLoscio - you're BP lead, right?

13:35:52 <EricKauz> adler1: should we update the wiki with team leads

Steven Adler: should we update the wiki with team leads

13:35:58 <phila> I'll update the wiki afer the call on the leaders

Phil Archer: I'll update the wiki afer the call on the leaders

13:37:42 <EricKauz> phila: need someone to physically write it, and ask for help when they are issues, asking diedre

Phil Archer: need someone to physically write it, and ask for help when they are issues, asking diedre

13:38:24 <adler1> +1

Steven Adler: +1

13:38:39 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:38:40 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

13:38:42 <EricKauz> +1

+1

13:38:43 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

13:38:44 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

13:38:48 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

13:38:53 <phila> RESOLVED: Every other call, we'll do general tracking in which the Team Leaders inform everyone on progress and areas that need further discussion

RESOLVED: Every other call, we'll do general tracking in which the Team Leaders inform everyone on progress and areas that need further discussion

13:38:55 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

13:39:30 <EricKauz> adler1: two calls a month to talk about cool stuff, who has ideas,

Steven Adler: two calls a month to talk about cool stuff, who has ideas,

13:39:34 <phila> adler1: Who has a cool idea for next week? (One of our every other week cool stuff calls)

Steven Adler: Who has a cool idea for next week? (One of our every other week cool stuff calls) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:39:53 <gatemezi> s/Ereic /ericstephan
13:40:03 <EricKauz> adler1: would be good to have a queue of things to talk about, two weeks before.

Steven Adler: would be good to have a queue of things to talk about, two weeks before.

13:40:40 <EricKauz> ericstephan: opportunities for invited experts to give their perspective

Eric Stephan: opportunities for invited experts to give their perspective

13:41:10 <EricKauz> phila: keith Jeffery (sp) background on meta data

Phil Archer: keith Jeffery (sp) background on meta data

13:42:17 <EricKauz> phila: background in scientific research, subject is metadata and vocabularies

Phil Archer: background in scientific research, subject is metadata and vocabularies

13:42:40 <EricKauz> phila: will be useful addition to group.

Phil Archer: will be useful addition to group.

13:43:15 <EricKauz> adler1: would having Keith speak be something we want to do?

Steven Adler: would having Keith speak be something we want to do?

13:43:56 <EricKauz> adler1: would it be interest to see what csv group is doing?

Steven Adler: would it be interest to see what csv group is doing?

13:44:11 <EricKauz> ericstephan: agrees

Eric Stephan: agrees

13:44:15 <EricKauz> phila: agrees

Phil Archer: agrees

13:44:58 <EricKauz> phila: for it as long as it does not slow us down.

Phil Archer: for it as long as it does not slow us down.

13:45:47 <EricKauz> phila: needs to organize presentation from workshop "shared psi" and share with this group. commercial use of public sector information

Phil Archer: needs to organize presentation from workshop "shared psi" and share with this group. commercial use of public sector information

13:46:24 <EricKauz> adler1: three items, allocate one call to what people are struggling with.

Steven Adler: three items, allocate one call to what people are struggling with.

13:47:04 <EricKauz> adler1: what structure should we use to decide topics?  next week we should try delegate checklists, come foward with action items.

Steven Adler: what structure should we use to decide topics? next week we should try delegate checklists, come foward with action items.

13:47:26 <EricKauz> adler1: is everyone cool with that.

Steven Adler: is everyone cool with that.

13:47:50 <EricKauz> adler1: gives two weeks for keith to prepare for talk

Steven Adler: gives two weeks for keith to prepare for talk

13:48:40 <EricKauz> adler1: checklist next friday, keith will be week after that.

Steven Adler: checklist next friday, keith will be week after that.

13:49:06 <EricKauz> adler1: based on this meeting keeping all meetings, change agenda of every other meeting.

Steven Adler: based on this meeting keeping all meetings, change agenda of every other meeting.

13:49:34 <ivan> just was kicked out of the phone...

Ivan Herman: just was kicked out of the phone...

13:49:41 <EricKauz> phila: a week or two where w3c member will not be available.

Phil Archer: a week or two where w3c member will not be available.

13:49:42 <ivan> I am back on the week of the 11th

Ivan Herman: I am back on the week of the 11th

13:50:26 <EricKauz> phila: either on holiday or travelling all of august.

Phil Archer: either on holiday or travelling all of august.

13:50:57 <EricKauz> adler1: is everyone registered for tpac.

Steven Adler: is everyone registered for tpac.

13:51:06 <EricKauz> most people on call have not registered.

most people on call have not registered.

13:51:08 <EricKauz> yet

yet

13:51:34 <EricKauz> phila: so far just one participant and two observers.

Phil Archer: so far just one participant and two observers.

13:52:12 <EricKauz> phila: if coming, please register soon, space is limited, if coming please register soon.

Phil Archer: if coming, please register soon, space is limited, if coming please register soon.

13:52:30 <EricKauz> phila: do not want to lose the room.

Phil Archer: do not want to lose the room.

13:52:35 <phila> TPAC https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2014/

Phil Archer: TPAC https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2014/

13:52:47 <EricKauz> adler1: do we need to put together agenda now

Steven Adler: do we need to put together agenda now

13:52:59 <EricKauz> phila: no need yet.

Phil Archer: no need yet.

13:53:20 <gatemezi> Regarding TPAC, I will follow you remotely..

Ghislain Atemezing: Regarding TPAC, I will follow you remotely..

13:53:37 <EricKauz> phila: a tradition at w3c event is to play werewolf. :)

Phil Archer: a tradition at w3c event is to play werewolf. :)

13:54:39 <EricKauz> adler1: wishing everyone a wonderful weekend.

Steven Adler: wishing everyone a wonderful weekend.

13:54:51 <laufer> nice weekend for all

Carlos Laufer: nice weekend for all

13:54:56 <nathalia> bye

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: bye

13:54:57 <laufer> bye

Carlos Laufer: bye

13:54:57 <newton> bye

Newton Calegari: bye

13:54:58 <adler1> ciao

Steven Adler: ciao

13:55:02 <jerdeb> bye

Jeremy Debattista: bye

13:55:12 <BernadetteLoscio> bye

Bernadette Farias Loscio: bye

13:55:15 <ericstephan> bye

Eric Stephan: bye

13:55:15 <phila> rrsagent, make logs public

Phil Archer: rrsagent, make logs public

13:55:16 <WagnerMeiraJr> bye

Wagner Meira Jr.: bye

13:57:47 <CarlosIglesias> quit

Carlos Iglesias: quit



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