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12:52:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
12:52:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:52:08 <trackbot> Date: 08 August 2014
12:54:10 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140808
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13:01:47 <hadleybeeman> Zakim, code?
13:01:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), hadleybeeman
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13:03:36 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I get separation anxiety just from hearing this
13:03:40 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> :-)
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13:04:46 <laufer> hello, all
13:04:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Hi all..
13:05:39 <laufer> Hi, Ricardo
13:06:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:06:50 <adler1> hadley: first thing is approving last week's meeting minutes
13:06:57 <hadleybeeman> Scribe: adler1
13:07:01 <laufer> zakim, ipcaller is me
13:07:01 <Zakim> +laufer; got it
13:07:11 <adler1> PROPOSE: approve last week's meeting minutes
13:07:32 <adler1> PROPOSED: approve meeting minutes
13:07:35 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
13:07:49 <laufer> +1
13:07:55 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-25
13:07:57 <hadleybeeman> +1
13:08:19 <MakxDekkers> +1
13:08:35 <deirdrelee> +1
13:08:50 <adler1> RESOLVED: approve meeting minutes
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13:09:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
13:09:38 <deirdrelee> q+
13:09:43 <Zakim> +??P17
13:09:55 <hadleybeeman> Ack deirdrelee
13:10:36 <adler1> deidrelee: not sure if I can make it to TPAC
13:10:43 <Zakim> +Makx_Dekkers
13:11:10 <gatemezi> I would like, but I can't be at TPAC this year..
13:11:40 <hadleybeeman> Sorry to hear that, gatemezi
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13:12:08 <MakxDekkers> No funds to travel to TPAC, sorry
13:12:27 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> given the Brazilian crowd, next f2f could be hear
13:12:30 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> we can provide the nice weather
13:12:31 <MakxDekkers> q+
13:12:34 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> :-)
13:12:40 <hadleybeeman> Ack MakxDekkers
13:12:56 <deirdrelee> Link to ICEGOV: http://icegov.org/
13:13:14 <Zakim> +ericstephan
13:13:15 <adler1> Makx: there is a sharedPSI meeting in Lisbon that is related
13:13:31 <MakxDekkers> Share-PSI 2.0
13:13:56 <MakxDekkers> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/
13:14:13 <newton> Zakim, who's here?
13:14:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, +1.516.944.aaaa, laufer (muted), ??P17, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan
13:14:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see ericstephan, newton, laufer, gatemezi, adler1, MakxDekkers, EricKauz, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, hadleybeeman
13:14:22 <adler1> hadley: sharedpsi is a european union project to develop information sharing policies
13:14:30 <newton> Zakim, ??P17 is me
13:14:31 <Zakim> +newton; got it
13:14:40 <adler1> ... practically this means many of us will be there in Lisbon in December
13:16:18 <adler1> ... developing a list of issues - go to raise issues page in trackbot
13:16:48 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/raised
13:17:14 <adler1> deidrelee: issue #4: add a matrix table to summarize use cases
13:17:42 <hadleybeeman> Issue-4?
13:17:42 <trackbot> Issue-4 -- Add a matrix table to summarize UCs vs challenges/requirements -- raised
13:17:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/4
13:18:08 <hadleybeeman> gatemezi, are you here?
13:18:09 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> he is not on the phone
13:18:19 <gatemezi> LAst time, we discussed this point, and Bernadette said she was working on that...
13:18:27 <gatemezi> ..if she needs help, I can help
13:18:33 <gatemezi> ..no problem
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13:19:05 <gatemezi> ..So, I propose to postpone this and try to talk to Bernadette..
13:19:16 <hadleybeeman> Thanks, gatemezi
13:19:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:19:24 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:19:24 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
13:19:41 <adler1> issue-8?
13:19:41 <trackbot> issue-8 -- Include more metadata about the use cases -- raised
13:19:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/8
13:20:08 <adler1> ... existing use cases - people can amend that
13:20:20 <adler1> yes, agree
13:20:53 <adler1> close issue-8
13:20:53 <trackbot> Closed issue-8.
13:21:05 <adler1> issue-10?
13:21:05 <trackbot> issue-10 -- Data usage meaning -- raised
13:21:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/10
13:21:22 <adler1> issue-11?
13:21:22 <trackbot> issue-11 -- Color challenges and requirements -- raised
13:21:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/11
13:25:01 <gatemezi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:25:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, +1.516.944.aaaa, laufer (muted), newton, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, antoine
13:25:08 <antoine> q+
13:25:26 <antoine> q-
13:25:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I will
13:26:09 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, aaaa is adler1
13:26:09 <Zakim> +adler1; got it
13:26:45 <adler1> close issue-11
13:26:45 <trackbot> Closed issue-11.
13:26:54 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> antoine supports the idea of closing issue-11
13:27:01 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> agreeing with adler1
13:27:03 <adler1> issue-16?
13:27:03 <trackbot> issue-16 -- Improve Use case "Tracking of data usage" -- raised
13:27:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/16
13:28:22 <ericstephan> +q
13:28:25 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to the similarity with issue-10
13:28:35 <antoine> q+
13:28:37 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1 points out that issue-16 is similar to issue-10
13:28:55 <adler1> deidrelee: get real use cases for this
13:29:09 <gatemezi> Interesting comment from Ordnance Survey: "if you use our Linked Data please let us know, or we might switch it off". Isn't it related to proper use of license ?
13:29:20 <ericstephan> I will help out with this.
13:29:23 <antoine> gatemezi++
13:29:44 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
13:30:16 <hadleybeeman> Zakim, who is on the call?
13:30:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, adler1, laufer (muted), newton, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, antoine
13:30:25 <adler1> PROPOSEd: change use case 19 to linked ordinance survey use case
13:30:31 <gatemezi> how can we let the machine infer on license statements? that's maybe the solution...
13:30:35 <hadleybeeman> Ack ericstephan
13:30:45 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> action-47?
13:30:46 <trackbot> action-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN
13:30:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47
13:30:47 <adler1> erics: action 47 has to do with proposed data usage definition
13:30:55 <adler1> ... linked to issue 10
13:31:08 <adler1> ... I would like to help out with 11
13:31:35 <antoine> s/with 11/with 16/
13:31:37 <hadleybeeman> @gatemezi, I think the Ordnance Survey point wasn't about licensing — more "If no one uses our data, then why should we bother publishing it?"
13:31:51 <hadleybeeman> Ack ant
13:32:07 <adler1> antoine: i would like to support what eric suggests and find use cases for issue 10
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13:32:46 <adler1> https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140803110140-384693-the-value-of-data-meaure-the-utility?trk=hb_ntf_MEGAPHONE_ARTICLE_LIKE
13:32:50 <antoine> steve: I wrote a blog about value of data related to its usefulness
13:33:42 <antoine> steve++ this would be a good (abstract) use case
13:33:58 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1: being able to track usage/utilization is important to assess the impact of data
13:34:03 <gatemezi> @hadleybeeman.. uummm, different interpretation here ;). Well, it's all about the value of their dataset.. I would rather preferred something like "If no one uses our data, then why should we bother updating it?"
13:34:07 <deirdrelee> q?
13:34:16 <ericstephan> +1 government projects are under pressure to publish there data, but typically aren't funded to find the larger communities, IMO
13:34:23 <hadleybeeman> Ack JoaoPauloAlmeida
13:34:41 <Zakim> +??P21
13:34:51 <hadleybeeman> @gatemezi, I think I agree with that. :)
13:34:57 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P21 is really me
13:34:57 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it
13:35:12 <adler1> joaopalo: any use case has dependencies and any user of data should be measured for usage
13:35:27 <adler1> deidrelee: the specific requriement is the tracking of data usage
13:36:15 <adler1> ... why is it so important to track data usage
13:36:22 <ericstephan> s/publish there data/publish their data/
13:36:23 <gatemezi> @hadleybeeman, hence data usage stats can have incidence on updating the dataset..
13:36:36 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ack me
13:36:45 <adler1> issue-18?
13:36:45 <trackbot> issue-18 -- Review Use case "Machine-readability of SLAs" -- raised
13:36:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/18
13:37:07 <adler1> ... is this in scope for the wg?
13:37:14 <ericstephan> +q
13:37:16 <antoine> q+
13:37:34 <adler1> hadley: do we have the skills to address?
13:39:13 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is speaking, please ?
13:39:13 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, gatemezi.
13:39:25 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is speaking?
13:39:34 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1: what do we mean with machine-readability of SLA?
13:39:39 <ericstephan> Is machine readable SLA a best practice or data usage item or both?
13:39:44 <Zakim> gatemezi, listening for 17 seconds I heard sound from the following: adler1 (80%), ericstephan (2%)
13:40:00 <hadleybeeman> Zakim, who is here?
13:40:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, ??P13, HadleyBeeman, adler1, laufer (muted), newton, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, antoine, CarlosIglesias
13:40:00 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1: do we mean license or provision of service?
13:40:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, antoine, ericstephan, newton, laufer, gatemezi, adler1, MakxDekkers, EricKauz, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Zakim, RRSAgent,
13:40:03 <Zakim> ... trackbot, hadleybeeman
13:41:32 <antoine> but this requirement is not about licenses!
13:42:04 <deirdrelee> Eric, it's a requirement for Best practice, under industry-reuse category
13:42:11 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> antoine: this is about the provision of service (because we talk about licenses elsewhere)
13:42:11 <adler1> antoine: this is just about provision of service
13:42:17 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to antoine
13:42:35 <hadleybeeman> Q+
13:42:48 <ericstephan> Okay thank you for the clarification Deirdre
13:43:03 <adler1> ... the group lacks the skills to work on this
13:43:05 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I agree that SLAs (contracts on service provisioning) is not something this WG should address
13:43:11 <hadleybeeman> Ack ericstephan
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13:43:25 <hadleybeeman> Ack antoine
13:43:26 <deirdrelee> q+ to say this dicussion applies to all SLA requirements, not just machine-readability...
13:43:42 <adler1> antoine: it could be legitimate to raise it as a requirement and postpone it
13:43:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> although licensing should probably be, and some garantees on the quality/availability of data
13:43:53 <adler1> ... we could track it as a requirement
13:44:05 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
13:45:29 <adler1> hadley: SLA stuff could come out in the DQ vocab
13:45:34 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> hadleybeeman: this is what I meant
13:45:37 <adler1> ... we could embed sla implications in that vocab
13:45:39 <antoine> good point hadley
13:45:40 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ack me
13:45:44 <adler1> +1
13:45:58 <laufer> +1
13:46:32 <Zakim> + +1.617.646.aabb
13:46:46 <hadleybeeman> Ack me
13:46:58 <hadleybeeman> Ack deird
13:46:58 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to say this dicussion applies to all SLA requirements, not just machine-readability...
13:47:00 <deirdrelee> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#h4_can-req-industry-reuse
13:47:14 <adler1> deidrelee: there are 6 requirements associated with SLA
13:47:25 <adler1> ... do we keep them in but say we are not addressing them?
13:47:27 <antoine> q+
13:47:39 <adler1> hadleyb: we should think big
13:47:44 <hadleybeeman> Ack antoine
13:47:58 <adler1> antoine: the requiremenst for sla could be met by DQ vocab
13:48:08 <adler1> deidrelee: that's grand
13:48:22 <antoine> at least partly! (I don't want to commit to a grand thing)
13:48:51 <adler1> close issue-18
13:48:51 <trackbot> Closed issue-18.
13:49:38 <hadleybeeman> Q?
13:49:39 <adler1> issue-23?
13:49:39 <trackbot> issue-23 -- Review definition of interoperability -- raised
13:49:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/23
13:50:02 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I disagree
13:50:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
13:50:11 <hadleybeeman> Ack JoaoPauloAlmeida
13:50:49 <antoine> q+
13:50:54 <hadleybeeman> Q+
13:50:59 <adler1> joaapaolo: interoperability should be more than standardization and should also include quality
13:51:15 <adler1> antoine: I agree, but we have to assume the standard is good
13:51:28 <hadleybeeman> Ack antoine
13:51:37 <hadleybeeman> Ack me
13:51:45 <gatemezi> Two "things" can be "interoperable" without being "standardized" nor "machine readable". Is that makes sense?
13:51:56 <adler1> +1
13:52:13 <antoine> q+
13:52:18 <deirdrelee> technically that's not a standard, if someone just adds a concept, no?
13:52:43 <adler1> you can have many ways to interoperate that are not standardized
13:52:57 <gatemezi> The goal of standards is to make "things" interoperable
13:53:34 <adler1> for example, Sierra Leone has 17 languages but only Creole is understood by everyone so it is the interoperable standard
13:54:16 <adler1> +q
13:54:23 <gatemezi> Ummm.. @adler1, Creole in Sierra Leone ? Tha'ts new to me ;)
13:54:33 <adler1> is it interoperability of transmission or meaning?
13:54:33 <deirdrelee> Topic for mailing-list: Interoperability vs. standards
13:54:41 <hadleybeeman> Ack antoine
13:55:08 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> there are many standards that are not about interoperability
13:55:24 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> we are in the business of interoperability standards
13:55:31 <hadleybeeman> Ack adler1
13:55:33 <deirdrelee> q+
13:55:45 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1: do we need to solve this?
13:55:49 <antoine> q+
13:56:00 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Why was this issue raised?
13:56:04 <hadleybeeman> Ack Adler
13:56:04 <ericstephan> I don't think we need to solve interoperability, I think we need to acknowlege what we can provide and what is beyond our control.
13:56:10 <hadleybeeman> Ack deirdrelee
13:56:18 <adler1> deidrelee: it is key to the working group and we have to address it
13:56:18 <EricKauz> q+
13:56:36 <adler1> ... suggest we move it to the mailing list
13:57:26 <gatemezi> IMO, hat makes a "good standard" is the the coverage of "interoperable things" it can provide
13:57:33 <adler1> good solution
13:57:42 <gatemezi> s/hat/what
13:57:50 <hadleybeeman> Ack antoine
13:58:18 <adler1> antoine: interoperability is the goal
13:58:37 <adler1> joaopaolo: it doesn't have to be explicit in the requirement
13:59:13 <hadleybeeman> Ack EricKauz
13:59:29 <adler1> erics: its key to define what we are talking about in interoperability
13:59:37 <adler1> ... long list of what it means
13:59:38 <deirdrelee> q+
13:59:38 <hadleybeeman> +1 to EricKauz
13:59:45 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Erics ++
13:59:48 <antoine> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization
13:59:58 <hadleybeeman> Ack deirdrelee
14:00:25 <adler1> deidrelee: next discussion in email
14:00:40 <adler1> hadley: next week is checklist on deliverables
14:01:04 <adler1> how do I close out the scribe?
14:01:16 <ericstephan> bye
14:01:19 <Zakim> -ericstephan
14:01:26 <adler1> rrsagent, make log public
14:01:29 <CarlosIglesias> bye!
14:01:30 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye
14:01:30 <Zakim> -EricKauz
14:01:31 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye
14:01:33 <adler1> ciao
14:01:34 <Zakim> -adler1
14:01:34 <gatemezi> bye
14:01:35 <newton> bye
14:01:37 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
14:01:41 <antoine> bye!
14:01:42 <Zakim> -Makx_Dekkers
14:01:47 <Zakim> -antoine
14:01:49 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
14:01:53 <laufer> nice weekend, all
14:01:53 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias
14:01:55 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
14:01:58 <Zakim> -??P13
14:02:02 <Zakim> -newton
14:02:04 <Zakim> -laufer
14:02:05 <Zakim> - +1.617.646.aabb
14:02:07 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended
14:02:07 <Zakim> Attendees were EricKauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, +1.516.944.aaaa, laufer, Makx_Dekkers, ericstephan, newton, antoine, adler1, CarlosIglesias, +1.617.646.aabb
14:02:17 <hadleybeeman> Zakim, bye
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14:02:24 <hadleybeeman> trackbot: bye
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14:02:30 <hadleybeeman> RRSAgent: bye
14:02:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items